for what i believe, and like i said to the police man, my weapon is my words, and i will always use my words to fight for more freedom and a smaller government in canada. i will be back united states out of trouble just for exclusive interview. first from a quick recap of, well, joe biden's sippy cups, at times angry and unhinge performance in geneva today on top of his disastrous g7 meetings. let's speak clear. the so-called summit with vladimir putin did absolutely nothing to advance any american

interests in any way. that is a fact. in fact, vladimir received a massive platform in exchange for a zero concessions whatsoever and then putin use that platform to take shot after shot after shot at our country, the united states of america. joe, of course, was nowhere to be found correcting the record, because he was afraid to stand next to vladimir, probably because he is not capable of doing it. putin did not commit to ending the cyberattacks against our country. he did not take responsibility for the hijacking of u.s. companies, federal agencies, did not agree to free americans now wrongfully imprisoned in his hostile regime of russia. he did not take responsibility for the havana syndrome attack against u.s. diplomats beard he did not agree to stop poisoning and killing his political enemi. he did not agree to curtail his military aggression in eastern europe and around the world.

yesterday, russia conducted, oh, a massive naval drill, oh, about 300 miles off the coast of our state of hawaii. the first time they have done this since the cold war. hmm, i wonder, joey, if that was a coincidence or if your power powellvladimir did it on purposr joe biden was unable, unwilling to hold putin accountable for anything. as the chairman's of the human rights foundation put it today, even on msdnc. putin got what he wanted. does that surprise anybody? remember, just after joe shuttered the keystone xl pipeline, high paying career jobs for our fellow americans, in the energy sector, skill-specific jobs that he just took away with a stroke of a pen, then joey turns around and gives vladimir putin, you know, the nod. he literally says okay, nordstrom to pipeline into

germany. that would bring the country we are helping to defend against russia, that would bring them closer and help make russia richer again. and by overwriting the state department recommendation. joe was told not to do it, and he did it anyway. he gave the waiver and lifting all u.s. sanctions on the project. and what do we get in return for this grand gesture? that will enrich vladimir putin and russia? nothing. we got nothing. appeasement doesn't work, has never worked, never will work, especially when the commander in chief is like joe, frail and weak and constantly cognitively, well, weekend. putin does not respect that he does not fear joe biden in any way. so let me be clear. we are not rooting for that hostile actor, that murder, that killer from that hostile regime. he is a killer. he is a thug. and frankly, he is evil. he is a criminal in charge of a massive nuclear stockpile.

so obviously, it is critical that the u.s. has a president who is sharp, mentally alert, tough, tenacious, and a president willing to turn the screws on vladimir to keep him in check. unfortunately, joe is not that guy. this week, joe bumbled and fondled his way through europe, embarrassing the u.s. every step of the way. today, he showed up to the summit with a pile of flash cards that he was constantly referencing and had a hard time keeping up with. following the summit, no joint press conference. why? because the administration knew darn well joe would be humiliated, and for good reason. instead, joe delivered a short scripted speech from a teleprompter. if i had to bet, it was probably written by his staffers before they left washington. and get this, during the remarks, well, president sippy cup once again botched his favorite line, from your declaration of independence. don't believe it. we've got the videotape. >> i made it clear to

president putin that we will continue to raise issues of fundamental human rights because that's what we are, that's who we are, the idea is we hold these truths are self-evident that all men and women, we have not lived up to it completely, but we have always widened the ark. of commitment and included more people. >> sean: all men and women created by the thing, oh, you know, the thing. god, joe, god, the creator of everything. joe was clearly flustered. look at your screen. at one point he took off his coat and dropped it off the ground. took off his sunglasses and put it back on, then took them on again and back off again. as you can see, joe did not look particularly sharp. after a short prepared remarks, joe took a few questions from hand handful of preselected reporters. i have any spontaneity in life? even that was too strenuous for a president should be cut. just watch as joe becomes

completely unhinged after a normal, reasonable question, even from fake news cnn reporter. take a look. >> reporter: why are you so confident, mr. president? >> i'm not confident. and did i say i was confident? what i said, look, let's get it straight. i said what will change their behavior is a reaction that diminishes the standing of the world. i'm not confident of anything, i'm just stating the fact. >> reporter: in that press conference after sitting down with you for several hours, he denied any involvement in cyberattacks, he refused -- so how is that a constructive meeting with president putin? >> sean: looks like a grandpa got agitated at the reporters.

fake news, cnn, they would be apoplectic if donald trump said that. that would last for weeks and weeks on end. president trump is attacking the free press, they would exclaim. but anyway, the hysteria would be off the charts. instead, the bite and super fans at cnn are more than happy to take a tongue lashing from the big guy a few minutes after that outburst on the tarmac, joe was still very agitated, whining that the media was being too negative. apparently joey thinks he deserves more praise from his friends in the media mob that put him in the media mob protection program as a candidate, and now he is in the media mob presidential protection plan. take a look. >> to be a good report of, you have to be negative, you have to have a negative view of life. you never ask questions, why, in fact, having agreement -- we will find out. the thing that always amazes me about the questions, and i apologize for having been short on that. if you were in my position,

would you say, well, i don't think anything is going to happen, it is going to be really rough, it's going to be really bad, you can guarantee nothing happens. >> sean: joey, i don't remember anyone asking why you stood with the former klansman, the '64, voting rights act of '65, two stop the integration of schools and busing because you thought it they would become racial jungles. i don't remember you being asked that question. here ultimately zero agreement struck, so the so-called big summit was not so big at all. joe isn't worried. he thinks putin will change his malignant ways because he wants the world community to like and to respect him. that is not how it works, joe. is joe really that dumb? i am hoping he is just plain dumb on tv. putin does not give a rip what the united states thinks or feels. he cares about power, money, runs his country like a mob boss, he will continue to kill his political rivals, and he will conduct criminal activities

all around the world, and probably bribe, children, vice presidents moving forward, unless he is seriously challenged. sanctions, financial penalties,f u.s. oil, gas, or critical tools for american peace through strength diplomacy with russia. but sadly, joe biden prefers the different approach. appeasement. giving up energy independence, getting rid of american jobs, but waivers from vladimir. as we stated, that approach is never going to work. president trump will respond to all of this in just a few moments. first, joining us, ranking member of the congressional committee, congressman jim jordan, former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows. mark milley start with you. your overall feeling of this, and to me, one of the greatest weaknesses, the reason i suspect joe would not stand next to vladimir in a press conference is because whatever they prepared for joe to say probably

before leaving washington, if they stuck with the talking points, it didn't happen, vladimir would have corrected him right then and there and embarrassed him on the world stage. that is my suspicion. what is your take? >> well, obviously, that is one option. it's pretty pathetic when joe biden is more strenuous in his arguments with the reporter that he is with vladimir putin! you know, we believe vladimir putin is going to change. here is what is going to happen. he is going to get more and more bold. he saw the weakness of joe biden, president of the united states. he never saw that when donald trump was in the white house. here is the problem. he did not get the easy questions from the seven had selected reporters that he had to call on. he did not get the answer, what color, what flavor of ice cream he likes. you know, when you are looking at joe biden, you have to think, well, the curtains are blowing but the window must be closed. >> sean: jim jordan, you were

all over this, i was all over this, mark meadows was all over this. when you stand back, we heard nothing but three years of lies, hoax, conspiracy theory about trump russia collusion. okay, what did we learn, what is the truth? the only person that colluded in 2016, paid for the dirty russian disinformation dossier, that was hillary clinton and the dnc. and the deep state that then did not verify it because it was full of lies, as the bulk of information to secure fisa warrants to spy on candidate trump and president trump. okay, the -- i don't know of any trump that got paid a penny from any oligarch in russia, but i do know a guy by the name of hunter, with no experience, that got three and a half million dollars from a russian oligarch. the former first lady of moscow. how is it the media can get it all upside down and backwards? you've got to help me out with that. >> yeah, the president's son

gets paid by russian oligarch, the wife, and you have joe biden taking off sanctions at approving a pipeline. i'm old enough to remember when the press called that collusion. but it is a whole different set of rules for this guy. you ask the right question, sean come in your monologue: what did we gain -- what did america gai? nothing from the spirit that is on top of the sanctions and the pipeline, contrast this with mr. reagan, who said "mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall, with mr. trump, who said america first all the time, and joe biden, what can we do about climate change, what can we do, what do we to give up? that is what the world now sees, and it is scary, when you think this is the guy making decisions, and our adversaries see the exact same thing that you and i see and all of your viewers see. >> sean: let me go back to this. i want to get your take on it, mark meadows. unfortunately, both of you were not very friendly to me, because i would ask for information, and you often hate it for me but you

knew it was true but said yeah, i can't talk about it, and i would ask the obvious question, am i over the target, and i might get some affirmation or read into it that i was getting affirmation, but the reality is, it is the democrats that bought the russian dossier. the reality is, ukraine paid the bidens, russia paid the bidens, kazakhstan paid the bidens, china paid the bidens. now imagine if it was donald trump's family that made all that money. >> well, listen. what they do is have one standard for the democrats and another standard for president trump and his family, and when you start to see that, that is what the american people hate. jim is exactly right. when you start to see and what joe biden has given away, and what has the american people actually received in return? zero! not a single thing. and yet, what we continue to see is a weakness abroad. listen, he gets a f for his abroad performance, and quite frankly, the only good news

about him going abroad is that he is doing less damage over here. and it's really sad, but it is also important to remember, sean, is every time they are going to accuse of president trump of doing things that they actually are guilty of. >> sean: you know, when you compare four years ago -- i will ask president trump about this tonight, jim jordan, but when you compare four years ago to today, and you look at donald trump, when he went to the g7, he rocked that conference. he went in there and said "sorry, the day of us paying all of your bills is over. the day of unfair trade agreements, that's over, too." and oh, everybody was offended, but who benefited? the american people. >> yeah, the american people benefited. but donald trump is a leader who knows what he believes and went and did it and told the world why he was doing it because it was good for our country, and it happens to be good for the world when we lead, not when we show

weakness. never forget this, too. the obama-biden administration, remember when they gave ukraine, they gave them mrt's and blankets. donald trump, this came out during impeachment, president trump gave them javelin missiles to deal with russian aggression, and what did they do? they impeach president trump when he has a phone call with the ukrainian president. as mark said, it is a complete double standard, but the american people see it. they see it for what it is and they appreciate the leadership that president trump has shown. >> sean: knowing the hostile evil actor he is in the hostile regime he runs, last? meadows, what did vladimir putin thinking tonight, in your view? >> he is thinking it is a new day, an open door for him to do what he wants to do. he did not get that kind of response from president trump. i can tell you, always firm come always america first, and candidly, that is not the message that putin got tonight, and it is a sad day for the american people when we throw down the white surrender flag

when traveling abroad. >> sean: congressman mark meadows, congressman jim jordan. nope president was tougher on russia, media constantly lied about it. ignoring the dirty dossier on the money that the biden family got from russian oligarchs. increased sanctions under trump, expansion of oil and gas production, making us energy independent for the first time in 75 years, that too was donald trump. a decisive military confrontation in syria. that humiliated vladimir. a perpetual sore loser hillary clinton cannot stop rehashing her favorite russia, russia, russia conspiracy theory from 2016. now, for those of you at the "the new york times" that have pulitzers you need to return, may be remind your readers however many you really have, that in fact, hillary paid for

the dirty dossier, russian dossier. take a look. >> you know, putin made it his mission to deny me the presidency, in part because, you know, i did raise issues that were uncomfortable with him. i did speak out about the oppression, and frankly, the rigged elections in russia. because i do think you need both an inside and outside game. you need a public and a private approach to putin, and you know, that is what joe biden gets. >> sean: now meanwhile, she is the one that actually paid for that disinformation dossier. that dossier used in premeditated fraud on the fisa court, the fraud bulk of information to spy on candidate, transition team, and later president trump. the bidens made millions from russia, the russian oligarch i just mentioned, and the former first lady of moscow. the bidens, that's right, they got the money, not the trumps. how ironic, how pathetic, maggie

haberman, "the new york times," abc, nbc, fake news cnn, msdnc really are. former state department spokesperson morgan ortagus, former cia station team down hoffman come and former trump white house chief of staff rates previous. rates, let's compare, you know a thing or two -- let's get your perspective and how you think putin read this. >> it's funny, you just played that clip from hillary clinton talking about a private and public approach. president trump lived that every day of his presidency. if you look at the actual actions, not the words come up with the actions president trump took in addressing russian wrongdoing, there is over 52 actual sanctions, executive orders, legislation that implies

that was responsible for in taking on russia. in 2017 alone, you'd president trump addressing the yahoo hack, imposing sanctions. you had treasury sanctions. how many times was steve minutia and in the press shop addressing and outlining sanctions that we were taking against russia. you had to catch the legislation that was signed, banned russian software in the first year, export restrictions, the global make nixie act, illegal weapons, jim jordan sort of a alluded to it, delivered weapons to ukraine. what i just shot off there was just what happened in 2017, and another narrative that is upside down, it was donald trump that signed the executive order in september of 2018 addressing russian interference in american

elections. yeah, he treated vladimir putin decently when he saw him. he was diplomatic. but you know, so was ronald reagan when he met with mikhail gorbachev. ronald reagan also said they were the evil empire and one of the most evil places on the face of the earth, so you know what, ronald reagan and donald trump together addressed this issue. >> sean: then he walked away from reykjavik and gave us a line i use often to this day: trust but verify. dan hoffman, you're the great distinction of scaring the hell out of me, both in singapore and helsinki, mentioned this last night, telling me in singapore, the chinese were probably following my every move, 100% certain, and in helsinki you gave me the good news that the russians were following the end listening to every word i said. they didn't particularly like it, but i understand, i'm outsie of the great country i love, and i'm doing my job. my question to you, you know russian intelligence.

you know the mind of kgb operatives. former kgb operatives like putin. what is he thinking tonight? >> i think what vladimir putin is thinking is he kind of got the reset he was looking for. he does not want to have to pay a price for invading ukraine, an ex-crimea, using a banned chemical weapon against his own citizens, the solar winds hack and allowing cyber hacking groups to homestead on territory. he got a reset kind of today. there was nothing to really hold vladimir putin accountable. for me, the heroes of today's summit was the free press. they were the ones exposing vladimir putin's hypocrisy and false equivalencies, and the kgb propaganda that was spewing out of his mouth.

>> sean: morgan ortagus, you worked for our mutual friend, former secretary of state pompeo. and i asked him about the biden administration getting lectured on human rights abuses by come of all countries, china, in anchorage, alaska. i asked him about putin. we have an offer. mike pompeo will deflate vladimir. i will be the u.s. moderator, and putin can pick the russian moderator. i don't think you would duck and hide the way biden did and would not do a joint press or. you know the mines, you read the intelligence, you read the briefings before meetings like this. how does putin interpret today? >> first of all, that would be must-see tv. you are always must-see tv, but i think we have to make that happen. one thing you said earlier that hillary clinton said you need to deal with putin differently in public and differently in private, you know, i can't tell you that was so much farther

from the truth and my experience with mike pompeo at the state department, when pompeo went out and said something to the press, it's exactly what he said to putin and to the foreign minister who we met with many times, and in fact, i think it is dangerous to try and have a public persona and a private persona. that makes no sense to me. just be exactly who you are. when you're looking, what is putin trying to get out of this? it is really sort of a normal meeting, i don't know why they called it a summit. my -- like you, sean, my inclination is perhaps they did not want to put putin and biden together because secretary blinken was embarrassed in alaska by the chinese when they lashed out, so that allowed for 45 minutes for putin to rail against the united states, lying, do all the things that putin normally does, so i think there are two big questions that i think your viewers have to think about, sean, for the next four years. one is, we are in a nuclear arms race with china and with russia

right now. this administration may not be talking about it. it is probably not at the front of mind for everyone watching, but you should know china and russia are engaged in a nuclear arms race, even if we are closing our eyes and not wanting to deal with it. if we want to have -- this administration, president biden says he wants to have more talks on nuclear weapons with the russians. if the chinese are not included in this, it is a fallacy. we need to be seriously looking at that, and we need seriously -- >> sean: i think china is even a bigger threat. china and russia providing arms to iran. that's an unholy alliance. you know we all live in cancel culture. all three of you are now canceled. not because we don't like you, but because our next guest is with us. thank you for being with us. hoe >> mr. tru good, sean. thank you. let's start with the events

today. your overall thoughts, and i want you to address -- i'll get to a very specific question, but let's start with your overall thoughts today and what biden was facing in putin, and then we will move on from there. >> mr. trump: well, i guess the overall as we did not get anything. we gave a very big stage to russia, and we got nothing. we gave up something that was unbelievably valuable. i stopped the pipeline, nord stream 2, and the pipeline was stopped, and it was given back, and nothing was gotten for it. and it wasn't just, it was another day, and performance art, you will take a look at how various people performed, namely the two people, you have to form your own judgment. >> sean: let me do a follow up on that. >> mr. trump: i think it was a good day for russia. i don't think we got anything

out of it. >> sean: you mention nord stream. this is an important question. joe biden got a recommendation from his state department. they said do not grant this waiver. okay, joe granted the waiver. he did it while simultaneously, with the stroke of a pen, eliminating high paying career jobs in the energy sector on the keystone xl pipeline. then, i'm going to take it one more step further, if it was donald trump that did everything joe did here, and then it was donald trump's son, don jr., eric trump, that had monies transferred to their company from a russian oligarchs, the first lady of moscow, why do i suspect you'd be accused day and night, night and day, 24/7, of some type of family enrichment and collusion. i don't know, i think if there would be a lot different coverage. am i wrong? >> mr. trump: well, you just have to read the news. look, for five years, from the day i came down the escalator, we have been under

investigation, and it turned out to be all full stuff. it was a terrible thing with the russia, russia, russia, which actually made it difficult to deal with russia. it was a phony deal created by schiff and clinton and all of these people. it was a disgrace, an absolute disgrace that it should happen, and it really was dangerous and very bad for our country. but i guess you probably see, it was a few days ago, up to 12, and now it is up to 19 different things we were accused, and it turned out to be absolutely false, whether it is the wuhan lab, the good old wuhan lab, when i mentioned that, it was like a fire storm, hydroxychloroquine, now great reviews are coming out on that. they did not want to see -- creating a lot of problems and death, frankly, death, and they were willing to do that in order to try and take shots, but it is all coming out. i think the people understand it. in many ways, we are stronger now than ever before.

they understand the deception and the horror that these people put this country through. it's really very sad, actually. >> sean: let me go to this double standard issue i have been discussing, and that is, we went through three years as a country, and i covered it almost every night. every major newspaper, two cable networks that are nothing but democratic propaganda, abc, nbc, cbs, they all got it wrong about trump russia collusion, but now we know the truth. we know that hillary clinton paid for the dirty russian misinformation dossier that even christopher steele doesn't stand by, and the sub source does not stand by. that dossier she paid for was then used to spy on you as a candidate, if isa court was lied to, and then it was used again to spy on you in your transition phase and as a president, and we also know that money from russia made it to a prominent political family in america. that would be hunter biden's

family. that would be joe's son. again, i ask you, that wasn't the coverage for three years while you were in office -- four if you want to eat include ukraine -- what do you make of the double standard. some people even got pulitzers over phony coverage. >> mr. trump: they did get pulitzers, and it turned out to be, they got pulitzers for absolutely incorrect and opposite reporting. it was horrible reporting, and there are many people that should have gotten pulitzers where they had it right, but they were not considered, and it is a disgrace, and pulitzers another one that's been disgraced by this whole last foreign half year. max, five year period. literally from the day of that wonderful ride down the escalator, from that moment on, investigation after investigation, and the people that were guilty, they just float right through, how it wasn't done, doj didn't do anything about it. i guess they felt, they want to

be soft. this group doesn't feel that way, but you know what, i left that up to doj, i left that up to people running doj, and i wasn't involved. i would say that probably, may be less involved than i should offend, maybe i should have been forcing it, but a lot of very guilty people were not in any way prosecuted. and i'm talking about very, very serious things. if you look at comey and mccabe and the two lovers at all the things that went on and they weren't prosecuted, if you read the horowitz report, and of course, everyone still waiting for durham, what happened to durham? how was that allowed to go into another administration? >> sean: by the way, is he in the witness protection program? i would like to know where he has too. is he in the witness protection program? he disappeared. >> mr. trump: you didn't have to go to durham, you could have taken the horowitz report, and

i've a lot of respect for mr. horowitz, the ig, and he wrote a report that was devastating to comey and devastating to mccabe, and they didn't do anything with it. it is incredible, actually. incredible. very sad. very sad for the country, but i guess they felt they shouldn't, and this administration feels the exact opposite. if people don't do anything wrong, they want to go after them. big difference. you know, it's a tough standard, but hopefully, you have an attorney general now that will be fair, but i will say that the people running the justice -- and the people in it. don't forget, you have tens of thousands of people, and they were put there by obama. they were put there by everybody. they were put there by a lot of people that came come including clinton, but they were also put there by bush, and, you know, you see what goes on with that whole group, so you have a lot of people put in there by bush and clinton.

put there by obama. and then you put some in yourself, and you can't do anything about it, i guess, i don't know, but i think they were very, very soft, and may be rightfully so, but very soft, and probably they wanted to be very fair, but a lot of people don't look at it that way. it's a shame. there was such guilt and such a horrible thing happened. they were spying on my campaign. you think about it come all the way back, almost at the beginning, when i made a statement that my campaign was spied on, it was one of the biggest moments. it was nobody could believe it. then it turned out -- more than spied on, much worse than being spied on, but they didn't do anything about it. to me, that is a terrible thing for our country. >> sean: i don't see that biden got anything from putin, and i can't believe that american energy workers were -- with a stroke of a pen, lost their high paying career jobs, for the same exact thing, the

waiver, that biden gave on nord stream come i can't believe it. let me ask you this. if you were still president, would you have given that waiver? and secondly, what would you be doing about the cyberattacks that are ongoing, colonial pipeline, the attacks on our meat industry? how would you be handling that with the 11? >> mr. trump: well, on the waiver, nobody really understands that i was the one that stopped it. i stopped it from being built. and i went to germany and i said "listen, we protect you with nato at a very low cost, and they are very delinquent, they are only paying half of what they're supposed to be paying, and what they are supposed to be paying is very low, 2%, and they are paying half, so we protect you, we have 52,000 soldiers over there, which is like a major, major city, frankly, they make a forte with us, and then they go and they pay russia billions and billions of dollars for energy, so i said, let's get this

straight, to angela, i said, "we protect you, and the people that we protect you from, the country, you are paying billions of dollars, how does that work?" and there are others. so, i got nato to pay $430 billion more than they were paying, because the united states was paying for almost all of it. i mean, think of it. we pay for their protection, and they -- excuse the word -- they screw us on trade, that is the only word that is descriptive enough, because they are in many ways worse than china or as bad as china on trade. how many chevrolets are being sold in berlin? not too many. how many chevrolets are being sold in paris? not too many. maybe none. and yet, we sell their products, their wines and cars and mercedes and bmws and everything else, we sell it all over our country, and all of that was stopping. we were ready to go. then we got hit by the pandemic, and nobody did as good of a job

as the pandemic as we did, and that is why we are leading the world in terms of coming back. that was all set long before biden came in, including the fact that we came up with vaccines in less than nine months, when a lot of people, everybody said it was going to take 3-5 years and you probably wouldn't be successful. and we weren't successful, sean, i will tell you this, you have another 1917 tragedy, were almost 100 million people died. but we were successful, so it was a great thing. >> sean: let me ask you come in your summits and conversations with putin while president, have you spoken to them since you left office? was it a mistake for biden not to hold a joint press conference with putin? >> mr. trump: i got along really well with him. nobody was tougher on russia. he would say that, but nobody was tougher on russia. you never heard of nord stream, you never heard of all of the things we did in terms of

sanctions, so many sanctions, and i was loving the idea of taking them off, i would have loved taking them off as soon as they got their act together. i think we had a great shot at having an unbelievable relationship with russia. it could've been fantastic, it could have been really beneficial to both countries. they need economics, we need things that they have, where they have very valuable rights and many other things and a lot of things could have happened, i have a very good relationship with putin but nobody treated him tougher. he understood, nobody heard of the pipeline until i got involved, and i said, wait a minute, the pipeline is going to germany and europe, why are we protecting you people? again, it just -- unbelievable. i got so much for that, and to give up the stoppage. i stopped it, and to give it up, and then if you see what they

did, the number is really 48,000, not 8,000, but you see what they did with the keystone xl pipeline, where they stopped at come almost on the first day, and that was never mentioned during the debate. you're not going to be energy independent, pennsylvania, texas, for all of these places, doing so well with energy, we are not going to be energy independent two years from now. they're having having windmills to kill our land and birds and everything, kill everything, and they are very intermittent, as you learned from watching over the last four months, it's intermittent energy. it's not good. it's not going to power our great factories. >> sean: what did you make -- >> mr. trump: it's a real problem -- >> sean: there was a question -- there was a question of whether ukraine would join nato, and biden's answer is they have to clean up corruption, and, okay, so they can't join nato because i have to clean up corruption.

but his son made a fortune, and he leveraged the billion dollars and bragged about it, of u.s. tax dollars, and this is a big issue to you because you went over an impeachment over this, leveraged a billion dollars to get a prosecutor in ukraine fired, he's got six hours to do it, and son of a b, they did it. now, i'm just imagining, if they are too corrupt to join nato, how come it is okay for hunter to make all that money when he admitted he had no experience in energy, gas, ukraine, and got millions of dollars? what if your sons got millions of dollars went out with no experience? >> mr. trump: well, when he said that, i was very surprised he said it, because he said basically ukraine is corrupt, and that was the whole purpose of what was going on, and frankly, we had an obligation, even a legal obligation, we have an agreement signed with ukraine, and that agreement says you've got to be honest, i have to run a straight country, and they don't do that, and when i

saw that statement, i was surprised because i guess you hear different numbers but it is $183,000 a month for his son to consult on energy from an energy company in ukraine, to consult on energy, but he admits that he knows nothing about energy. the whole thing is just terrible. the money from russia, $3.5 million from the wife of the mayor of moscow, the former mayor of moscow. remember, i asked that question, and you're very dear friend chris wallace said "no no, you can't ask that question," and i said i want to know why the mayor of moscow's wife is paying him $3.5 million, and chris wallace protected him because he cannot answer the question, so chris wallace protected him, good old chris wallace. he will never be mike. this is what we go through. we know longer have a fair and free press. whether you like it or not -- and i hate to say it to you because you are a big believer in the press, despite what you

go through, but we know longer have a free and fair press. >> sean: i said in 2007, sir, i wish i came up with fake news, but i did say journalism in america is dead, and i don't think i was wrong. i think i probably understated it. let me ask this. because two weeks -- last week, joe biden said to our military that global warming was the biggest threat they faced, the week before he had said white supremacy was the biggest threat to america. i don't know, i think china, russia, north korea, the iranian mullahs, might be bigger threats, radical islamic terrorism. what is your reaction to that answer? >> mr. trump: well, he said that the military told him and the general's, which can't believe that, but may be, but they shouldn't be working as generals any longer, global warming is our biggest threat. now, when you look at china and you look at the military apparatus, which i was really doing a big job on, have a big

relationship thereto, it was a fantastic relationship until covid, or the china virus came in. we made a great trade deal where the farmers of this country and the manufacturers are doing fantastically because of that trade deal. farmers are doing better than they have ever done now, because of what i did, not because of what these guys did. we did a fantastic thing, but when you look at it and you look at what happened, sean, you see that horrible -- that horrible thing that came at us from china come and came at us from the wuhan lab, it changed my whole line of thinking, and you just, i really hope, and i believe it was an accident, it was incompetence. i guess some people don't necessarily agree with that. they think maybe there was purpose to it, which would be absolutely terrible. but we have to find out more about it, why did it happen, how did it happen, how could anybody

be so incompetent, and that is not a group of incompetent people. >> sean: mr. president, can i add one thing here? >> mr. trump: i believe it was a terrible accident, but it came from the lab -- >> sean: why do you think it was an accident? we knew, there is actually video out now of bats in the wuhan virology lab. we knew that they studied corona viruses, and we now know from the emails from the great dr. fauci, flip-flop or, that gs being done there, so it seems like the most logical conclusion. the only question is, is there a possibility that u.s. tax tax dollars led to the gain of function research? >> mr. trump: we ended that when i heard about it. it started in 2014 under obama, and when i heard about it, we ended it very rapidly. i said, can you imagine? it was not even wuhan, it was we were paying china on top of everything else, we are now

paying for their research and other things, ridiculous. we ended that as soon as we heard about it. we did a lot of things against china. not that i want to be against china because i had a great relationship with president xi, in a lot of respect for him, but i banned china from coming into the country very early, before anybody, fauci, nancy pelosi was dancing in the streets of chinatown in san francisco, they were all saying what i did was xenophobic and horrible and racist, and then they said four months later i saved thousands and thousands of lives. but i banned china from coming in. and it's lucky i did. and then i banned europe from coming in because you saw what was happening, especially at certain countries in europe and i banned europe from coming in and everybody said that was terrible, but we saved tens of thousands of lives. now we have to get back into schools have to get open, frankly, we are lucky we have the vaccine, but the vaccine on

their young people is something that you've got to really stop, you have to get back to running your country -- i mean, i don't see reasons -- and i am a big believer in what we did with the vaccine, it is incredible what we did. you see the results. but to have every school child, where is 99.99%, they just don't -- you know, they are just not affected or affected badly, having to receive a vaccine, i think it is something that you should start thinking about because i think it is unnecessary. >> sean: you want china to pay $10 trillion, don't you? >> mr. trump: well, the number is much higher than that, but there is only so much they can pay, and that is to us, and the world -- the number is bigger throughout the world. look, countries have been destroyed over what they did, and whether, by accident or not, and i would hope it was accident. i hope it was through incompetence or an accident, but

when you look, whether it was by an accident, whether it was whatever it is, this -- you look at these countries, they will never ever be the same fear for our country was hit so hard, but much harder. look at what is going on in india now. used to say "oh, look how well india was doing" -- they are always looking for an excuse -- look how well india is doing. the fact that india has just been devastated now come in virtually every country has been devastated. i think that is one of the reasons i feel it is very important to find out where it came from. i feel certain, i think i know, but certainly china should help, but right now they are economy and our economy are the two economies that are coming back the fastest. if you think about it, in certain ways, maybe they benefited very greatly, i mean, very, very greatly, and i can tell you they benefited with the u.s. because we were in a process of doing things where we

caught up to china at a level that nobody thought was possible, and once the china virus came in, we had to take a very different -- look, the world changed. the whole world changed. you did not think about the economics, you thought about saving people and saving lives, so the world changed. it was a whole different ball game. we did the great trade deal, a big piece of it, but we did the great trade deal, and it helped a lot of people. manufacturers and farmers in particular, but you know, after that horrible disease floated in from china, however it came in -- and it came in through numerous ways -- once that disease came in from china, i had a whole different attitude. it was a terrible thing. >> sean: let me ask you about -- let me go back to the campaign, and i'm going to play tape for you here. i've compare joe biden, i've shown video of him from 2012, 2016. he -- you know, he lived in his basement bunker throughout most of the campaign in 2020.

i used to argue he was in the big tech media mob protection program and they let him hide and get away without answering many questions. did the bare minimum of anybody campaigning. and i have a highlight reel that i put together, but i'm saving that for another day, but this happened at the g7. joe has had a lot of these cognitive misfires, let's call it that, and this is the one that he had, because he had called putin a killer, then he was asked about it. he didn't want to give an answer because he was about to meet with putin. your reaction to joe, and do you think he is up to the job physically, mentally? let me play this. >> vladimir putin laughed at the suggestion that you had called him a killer. is that still your belief, sir, that he is a killer? >> [laughs] that's the first question? i'm laughing, too. they actually -- well, look, he has made clear that --

[crickets chirping] the answer is, i believe he is in the past essentially acknowledged that he -- there were certain things, he would do or didn't do. >> sean: you know, i do make fun of it, but in all seriousness, mr. president, that scares the hell out of me. have you noticed the same -- >> mr. trump: may be the only time i've ever disagreed with you is about the age, because i guess joe is going on to be 79 fairly soon, and that's not all, relatively speaking. bernie marcus, a great gentleman, founder of home depot, he is 92, 100%. i spoke to him, he is 100%. and other people are in their 90s and 80s and doing great. so, you know, his age is not the problem, and look, i hope he has

no problems. i want him to do well. i want him to go out and do well. i think the election was unbelievably unfair, but i want this guy to go out and do well for our country. i don't want to see a scene like that. i watch that yesterday, i thought it was terrible. it was terrible. nobody knew what was happening. >> sean: let me move on to the economy. we now have inflation. we now have jobs that people aren't taking, and businesses now are turning down the federal government's extended unemployment benefits. the price of lumber through the roof, the price of gasoline and average $1.10 per gallon, the price to heat and cool your home is up, price of meat is skyrocketing, lumber skyrocketing, every item that you find lacking any stories delivered by a truck, you are paying a lot more for. we are getting rid of energy independence which you gave to us as president for the first time in 75 years.

what is your take on the state of the economy and the impact the current border crisis has on net, and i will do a follow up on that. >> mr. trump: so, the lumber is really a function of supply and demand. we have so much but they are putting environmental restrictions on trees now that are so bad, and trying to make deals with canada -- i can tell you from personal experience, canada is very, very tough. canada is as tough as anybody. they -- it's very unfair, the way canada treats us. i had it down to a science. it was so good. we were doing so well. everything was coming down. we signed the usmca, mexico, canada, but we were not being taken advantage of anymore, and i was going to tariff the hell of their cars coming into the united states and they knew it. soon as i left, they started playing games, and now you look at lumber prices because we got a lot from canada and you look at what is going on with milk and the fact that they don't

take us but we take them, so many things that i straightened out, and now, it is going back to worse than it was because there's nobody there complaining about it. canada treats this country very, very badly. so it is europe, by the way. and china, you know about, but as i say come in many ways, europe treats us just as badly as china. >> sean: let me ask this question. and i want to ask it, and i will ask you about 2022 and 2024 in a minute. it seems to me that conservatives -- i remember, maybe you do or don't, when you were running for president, times i would interview you, i slain what i believed in i beli, freedom, capitalism, constitution, low taxes, less government, constitutionalist on the bench, school choice, mod order, safety and security, free-market

solutions for health care and protecting pre-existing conditions, i want secure borders. i absolutely, positively want energy independence for a lot of reasons. free and fair trade, peace through strength. that pretty much sums up sean hannity's philosophy. it was thought you were considering, may be, laying out the trump america first, make america great again agenda. how close is my lifelong held beliefs to what you would put on paper if you ever considered it, and are you considering it? >> mr. trump: well, i am, and frankly, if you think about it, that is what i have been doing and talking about for a long time, and i guess that is why we got them by surprise in '16, and in '20 we did much better than we did in '16. shockingly, we were supposed to win easily, 64 million votes, we got 75 million votes, and we didn't win, but let's see what happens -- that whole thing is

shocking, but it's common sense. look, when you talk about a strong military, when you talk about the economy, when you talk about we don't want inflation, inflation is going to kill the economy. by the way, now you are going to see very soon a big interest rate increase all of a sudden, which is -- that is step one. i don't know if you remember during the carter administration where the prime rate went up to 21%. i was there. i was there. >> sean: i was there too. >> mr. trump: and you couldn't get anything. the economy came to a halt. and, you know, you mentioned lumber, but when you look at, we know longer will be energy independent. within a matter of weeks. they are closing on everything. what's happening is not to be believed. i'll tell you, the biggest beneficiary as russia and saudi arabia and the middle east. i mean, these people, they are going to make more money than they have ever made. they talk about him he russia, i get along with putin, had a good relationship with putin, but i

was so tough. look what they have done. they will make russia so rich because of what is happening. when i left it was $1.87 a gallon for a gallon of gas, now it is over $3. it's going to up to $5, $6, or $7, mark my words, and that is bigger than a tax increase -- you can cripple people's taxes, that cost more money for the middle income people, much more money, and for frankly, for our country, it is a disaster come it's going to stop everything. we had a point where we were getting fuel for $0. in fact, you would get, they would give you $38 if you talk at. nobody has ever seen anything like it. now we had to straighten that out because that would have hurt our industry, but we ended up having a great energy industry, and we ended up with low prices, and now, we are not going to be -- within a matter of weeks, we will no longer be energy independent, and we are going to be relying again on the middle east and russia and all of these other people because we

are being led very, very stupidly, and i said this during the debates and people didn't listen, but i said it during the debates, but actually people did listen, and they voted properly, and that's the way it goes, but they lied. you know, they didn't talk -- they never said, this is a bernie sanders dream what is happening right now, he can't believe it, because this is far worse than bernie was ever going to be. bernie sanders would have never even thought to suggest some of the things that are happening right now. >> sean: let's look at the border and the stay in mexico policy is gone, border wall construction has stopped. catch and release is back. it's really just catch and we will send you to one of the states, free transportation. you see, you know, we are up dramatically, nearly 200,000 illegal immigrants a month, and they are just being processed, and that opens up other areas of the border for cartels, human smugglers, drug smugglers. your take on how to fix this?

>> mr. trump: so, we had the most secure border in the history of our country, southern border, and history of our country, it has never been so good. it was hard getting it there because he had to win lots of lawsuits, and that included on the wall. the wall would have been finished within months. all of the material is sitting right there rotting. they stopped it like a very early, first, second, third day they stopped it. now they want to start it again is interesting, go tell the contractors that. it is sitting there rusting and it is a shame. it took us two and half years to win all the lawsuits and it was almost complete, and then they came in and they stopped it, and one of the reasons, still, we both almost 500 miles of wall in front of the reasons we have been so successful is because even though it has gaps, which were easily closed, very easily, it has gaps. what happened is the wall was so good in terms of illegal immigration, and you mention things that people don't mention, drug smuggling was dows been in years, and also, human

trafficking, usually of women, by the way, it's a vicious business and it is a big business, and we had that down to the lowest point in years and years and years. and now it is worse than ever. >> sean: we have 3 minutes left. let's talk about 2022, and then the obvious question for 2024. 2022 seems like a bell weather year. you've got the house and play. you've got florida senate seat, georgia senate seat, north and south carolina, you've got new hampshire, you've got wisconsin, you've got ohio, you've got arizona. if that is not bellwether, i don't know. what do you anticipate your involvement for 2022 will be? you started endorsing some people, you're going to be out on the road, and what are your thoughts on 20204? will you be making a comeback? >> mr. trump: so, i'm very honored to say that my endorsement means more than any endorsement that has ever been given by anybody. i mean, we are winning with just one republican party chairman of

north carolina and of georgia and of other places. we just one month two races in texas. we won a great race in louisiana. i will be working and getting a lot of great people elected. again, the glock 20, 30, 40 points sometimes. the fake news does not like talking about it, but the numbers are really incredible, so i'm working -- a lot of good congresspeople elected. and then, we'll be making a decision on 20204, but if you look at the numbers, people are liking me more than ever before, but i think the reason is there watching what is happening with our country, they are watching no energy independence, never has there been a seemed like what is happening at the border, and the death that is being caused, this is not just border, this is death and criminals pouring into our country, looking at the economy and inflation, looking on interest

rates and gasoline prices, and i guess it is making me very popular. >> sean: is there anything -- we have a minute left -- if you do run in 2024, what might you do differently? what do you know now that you did not know in 2016? >> mr. trump: well, you know, we ran a very successful in administration, 160 million jobs, never even close to that, nobody was ever even close to that. and we did it twice, because we did it after the pandemic, we came with the vaccine, and we did and after, but i was under siege with basic investigations and everything, and i was doing this while i was under siege from phony people with phony russia, russia, russia that was caused by clinton and the dnc democrats, and all of that, and we did it, we built space for us, we did -- we rebuilt the military. we got the largest tax cut in history, the largest regulation

cuts in history. not even close. we did and mark, which they already excluded thanks to murkowski in alaska, what wee done was amazing, but i was under siege, so you know, some people said, gee, he wasn't very -- >> sean: got to run -- >> mr. trump: under siege from day one, sean. >> sean: i think you are still under siege. >> mr. trump: i agree with you. >> sean: we appreciate you being with us. all right, let not your heart be troubled, lauren graham, only five seconds late, i tried hard. >> laura: all right, sean, we are going to unpack your interview and unpack what happened, fascinating conversation. >> sean: have a great show. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" on a very busy news night. joe biden and through state leaders are bragging about reopening over a year after many red states did. governor ron desantis has some thoughts on that, plus he is going to tell us how now he is helping