not even close. we did and mark, which they already excluded thanks to murkowski in alaska, what wee done was amazing, but i was under siege, so you know, some people said, gee, he wasn't very -- >> sean: got to run -- >> mr. trump: under siege from day one, sean. >> sean: i think you are still under siege. >> mr. trump: i agree with you. >> sean: we appreciate you being with us. all right, let not your heart be troubled, lauren graham, only five seconds late, i tried hard. >> laura: all right, sean, we are going to unpack your interview and unpack what happened, fascinating conversation. >> sean: have a great show. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" on a very busy news night. joe biden and through state leaders are bragging about reopening over a year after many red states did. governor ron desantis has some thoughts on that, plus he is going to tell us how now he is helping governors at the border,

teamwork. raymond arroyo will document all of the seen and unseen moments from biden summit with putin, including a case of let's just call it stockholm syndrome with old joe. but first, joe don't know. that is the focus of tonight "angle." there is simply no way to spend it at this point. president biden's first foreign trip was an unmitigated disaster. even jill's goofy jacket couldn't save it. "time" magazine's stupid cover couldn't frame it. and biden himself, well come he couldn't explain it. so he reverted to tedious aphorisms. >> that old expression goes, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. >> the proof is in the pudding. oh, never heard that before. if there's any doubt about what a complete flop this was, well, that doubt was erased after biden emerged from his three hour meeting with

vladimir putin, well, he had a total meltdown with his own comms shop, sorry, i meant the u.s. press corps. >> reporter: how do you know he will change his behavior, mr. president? >> why did i say i was confident? i said what will change the behavior is if the rest of the world diminishes the standing -- go >> reporter: he has denied any involvement in cyberattacks, so how is that a constructive meeting with president putin? >> laura: shockingly, caitlin collins posted a common sense question. she was trying to get at what incentive is there for putin to stop cyberattacks on the united states? well, the answer, of course, is zero under joe biden because biden speaks softly and carries the equivalent of a big foam pool noodle. there is no there there, and everyone there was a purely even if you are a rank partisan, you

see that these meetings require real expertise. being outmaneuvered, which biden was. >> what concrete evidence do you have from these three plus hours to suggest that any movement has been made? and i don't mean that -- >> no, no, no, i know, but you are all -- look, to be a good reporter, you have to be negative. you have to have a negative view of life. the way that you all -- you never asked positive question. >> laura: is he kidding? is biden kidding? he's been in washington since bridge and it was the leader of the ussr and he is now just realizing the media like to kick the hornets nest every now and again? look, let's not forget, 99.9% of reporters on that tarmac voted for biden and practically campaigned for him and then masqueraded as reporting about him.

forget apologizing to cnn, biden should have apologized to the american people. biden rolled over for the europeans, and today, he let vladimir putin run circles around him, right down to putin using democrat talking points about america's race and crime problem. >> and american cities come every day, people are killed, that includes leaders of various organizations. if you can't say a word about -- you don't have time to say a word, and somebody is killed. you know, i remember, i remember as somebody who ran away and they shot him in the box, for example. >> laura: well, i guess joanne vlad agreed on one thing, america is systemically racist. any honest observer knows, if anyone was even a tiny a bit about foreign affairs have to concede that this entire trip ended up being a complete waste of time and government

resources. i was thinking about this today. next time, we should save everybody's time i just send a notary over there to sign whatever documents europe puts in front of us, we will be done. but remember, this has always been the joe biden that we knew and some of you came to love. he has always been more interested in being pals with people than ever making waves, even when making waves is what is required to deliver results for the american people. remember, even before the summit began, it was obvious that biden was no match for the former kgb intel officer. it is one thing calling putin a killer when the guy is 5,000 miles away in the kremlin. but what about face-to-face? speaker vladimir putin laughed at the suggestion that you had called him a killer. is that still your belief, sir, that he is a killer? >> [laughs] x for the first question. i'm laughing, too. they actually -- well, look, he has made clear...

>> laura: that was just excruciating. and it gets worse every time you watch it. he also picked up that annoying laugh reflects that harris has whenever she is asked a hard question. >> this whole thing about the border, we have been to the border. we have been to the border. >> you haven't been to the border. >> and i haven't been to europe. [laughs] i don't understand the point that you're making. >> laura: [laughs] open borders, no money. tonight, america is not laughing. joe biden is incapable of sitting across the table from any competent world leader, and he is certainly not able to convince him to change his mind on any significant issue. in the lead up to this trip, the white house took great pains to remind everyone that biden would be turning the page on the trump

america first approach. things would go back to normal, pundits gleefully pronounced, where we work with the world community and don't sit around just bumping on chest. but the fact is, in international negotiations, effective leaders always worked to advance and safeguard their own country's national interest, until now, at least. the fact is, biden does not know how to get tough. he is a guy who simply is most comfortable being everyone's friend. so all you need to do is put them in a situation where he has to choose between getting along with other people are making them necessarily uncomfortable. well, he is going to choose the friendship route every single time. that might be nice and a hallmark movie but not here. but trump did not care about making people uncomfortable. not when it came to protecting american prosperity and national security. this is the b team, as we have told you all along. under trump, we had real intellects like bob lighthizer for trade, steve mnuchin at treasury, and mike pompeo at

state. join us in a few moments. but now, we have people in charge who pretty much cannot get top jobs in any other administration except this one. biden and his team went to europe, and they got zero tangible benefits for america. they resolve the boeing airbus dispute by simply caving to france. bowling got shafted. of course, boeing's -- biden is going to say we have language on china, it is great. oh here's one problem, the language on china is so weak that the americans are not bound in any meaningful way by it and china really isn't affected at all. the commitment is basically that we should keep pursuing a conversation with china, big deal. china dominates while you try to dialogue. china wasn't even specifically singled out in any of the human rights paragraphs. it was all kind of bland and meaningless. in international diplomacy, words matter, and over the past

week, on the "angle" has taking you through the nitty-gritty, and you now know china got off scot-free. the nato communique referred to china as a challenge, but russia as a threat. even that was no big deal, though, since russia got their nord stream 2 pipeline while america got higher energy prices across the board. here is the bottom line: putin is thrilled with the summit. don't take my word for it. here is a russian chess grandmaster and putin opponent, gary kasparov. >> putin got what he wanted, that is why he was beaming with joy when he left the summit and went to the press conference. >> laura: the europeans are celebrating. in china is completely comfortable. now, if obama's first foreign policy trip was the equivalent of an apology to her, biden's was a surrender to her. as a result of his efforts, going forward, europe will be in

the driver's seat, china will probably take taiwan, our southern border is going to remain wide open, and russia, they will be able to hack us at will. if the democrats were a functional party that really cared about putting our interests first, they never would have nominated biden in the first place. the man is totally in over his head and always has been. since his days in the senate, since he ran for president in 1988, he's always been the punch line. but now, unfortunately for us, america is, as well. and that's the "angle." joining us now, former secretary of state, fox news contributor mike pompeo. mr. secretary, you have been in these situations. the summit, though by all honest accounts was sadly -- and i do not say this with glee, it was sadly an abject failure by the biden administration. how do we recover from this? >> laura, thanks for having me on, and you are right, we all

wanted president biden to be successful, we want america to be secure and safe vehicle this was a disaster. the whole week was frankly, talked about that in your opening. it all stems from a fundamental misunderstanding that president biden and his team have, that vladimir putin gives a rip up all of the world thinks about him. we said as much, he won't do those things because the world would look at him -- the only one seeking global friends was present biden. president putin cares about power, about keeping control, but making sure that he can cause trouble, malign activity all throughout the world, that gives him more power for his very small economy, to project, to think you can give things to president putin, like the pipeline are coming back into the new start treaty, give him things and this will change his behavior, fundamentally flawed. 's kgb agent believes in his heart that the greatest calamity of the 20th century was the dise soviet union. that mind-set means he is only going to respect american power. that is what we did in the trump

administration, with over 200 sanctions, i could go through the list. we are really tough. not with our words, but with our actions. >> laura: well, i think president trump and you, i believe, always were concerned about china getting closer to russia. and so, why he wanted to take on russia, where necessary, and a lot of places where it is necessary, he wanted to find ways to work with russia. biden kind of said the same things today without mentioning china at all, but was there any indication we have any real leverage with russia now, given everything we have given away in europe? >> no, it is the case usually laura that you give the gift after the meeting, but biden gave putin the gifts before the meeting. it is really quite something. he walked in today with great confidence that there was nothing, we had him all the carrots with no stick to show up. you're right, he'd been in europe in the days before when he said we want to put higher taxes on the united states of america, but barely got a mention about china in the

communique with the g7, and then had demonstrated that it was most important to take america back, right, back to the eight years of barack obama. this is the kind of weakness that president putin must have been salivating walking into that room today, to watch president biden refuse to even take questions from the media from the other countries is highly unusual, when president putin was prepared to take questions from the americans come all of this demonstrates a president who is not prepared to confront the hard truth of the challenges with the russians and then find places you can work with him. >> laura: take us through the significance of their decision not to appear together. i don't know how that really works out or whose decision ultimately it was, but putin comes out, then biden comes out, not together. >> it's very unusual to see that. it's normally the case that you stand 6 feet or 8 feet from your adversary, or if it is a friendly, friendly country, and you talk about things and you

answer questions, and one reporter asks a question and both parties answer that question. you are able to support them, or in this case, confront them. for instance, when putin talked about the racial conflict here in the united states, i don't know what president biden would have said -- >> laura: right. >> he would have said "i agree." we would say this is nonsense, to create a moral equivalence between the russian authoritarian tyrannical regime and the democracy of the republic of united states of america cost a president standing 8 feet away from president putin would have had an opportunity -- i assume it was the united states that chose to have consecutive rather pressconferences rather than together. it would have given the president of the united states the chance to call out the fantastical things president putin said about america doing more cyberattacks than any other country in the world, this was crazy stuff and president putin had 45 minutes to have the world to himself

and broadcast that not only to the united states, but to leaders and people all across the globe. >> laura: yeah, unchallenged beer when it wasn't challenged in that press conference by president biden. he did not go back, oh, i'm going to correct what vladimir putin, no, that did not happen. in fact, he got into a fight with a cnn reporter. >> [laughs] >> laura: am i watching this? he is fighting with the most friendly news network to his administration, which i thought was the number one sign that they knew this was a complete, flatlined disaster for them, when he melted down with cnn. >> yeah. harsher words for kaitlan collins and vladimir putin is an odd way to hold a press conference, when you just met with the leader of a country with a thousand nuclear weapons, a real capability to inflict harm on the united states through cyber and other means. we should be confronting them with the seriousness that they deserve. we should find places we can work together, but we have to

make it clear that we are not going to provide you with 16 industries that you can't go after, essentially, a target list for putin on cyber. that is what we provided today. it was an odd thing to have done. i can't imagine what his staff would have permitted him to do that. all in all, demonstrates america is now weaker today, in a less strong position with respect to russia and then it was just 150 plus days ago. >> laura: of madame trump had said "okay, we discussed the areas where they can't hack, so we have a list of places we are not going to be in favor of you hacking, and we are watchin, wait a second, i didn't know there were areas we were allowing russia to hack into our system. if trump had said that, their heads would have exploded. >> come my goodness. >> laura: every news network tonight. >> the times, "washington post," mind you, other countries are watching him too, they want to s to chinese and north korean actors, as well, everyone is going to want to know with a

17th industry is that it is a free-for-all. >> laura: yeah, taiwan is watching this tonight, too, and that is a whole different subject, but that is on the stage, as well. secretary of state pompeo, good to see you tonight. of the many recent victories biden handed over to our adversaries, his administration's unwillingness to seriously confront china on the lab leak cover-up is, i think, among the most egregious. here is our own peter doocy confronting biden on the g7 agreement to let the w.h.o. basically take the lead on the investigation. >> you signed onto the g7 communique, that's of the g7 were calling on china to open up to let the investigators in. what happens now? >> china is trying very hard to project itself as a responsible and very, very forthcoming nation. what we should be doing and what i'm going to make an effort to do is rallying the world to work on what is going to be the

physical mechanism available to detect early on the next pandemic. >> laura: the physical mechanism. how does he plan to do that, as he turns a blind eye to this pandemic and how this started? joining us now as victor davis hanson, hoover institution senior fellow. victor, when i heard that, the physical mechanism for preventing the next pandemic, did your little intent on -- i can see them, victor, you have little antennas, say wait a second, what? >> i think the chinese got to joe biden, we promise, never ever come of this will happen again, with a cheshire ct smile. mace established whether we know it or not deterrence. if you look at this at their point of view. for a year and a half, they controlled the entire narrative of the origins of covid. because donald trump said there was a connection back -- a year ago come over a year ago -- they said it has to be a lie and they

counted on that because of the hatred toward trump and the american left, and in anchorage, remember in march, this year, that crazy summit, they said this is racist. they just recycle the left-wing propaganda and said any suggestion that we may have had a connection between our lab and covid is racist, and then the trump card, and its most tragic, laura, and i don't know how to say this politely, they knew more than the american people and you and i did that dr. fauci had routed gain-of-function research into that lab. and they knew that, and we didn't really know all of this, so they had all of these cards they were playing for a year and have to disguise what really happened, and now trump is not president. even the left is embarrassed. they are starting a probe. we have this trove of emails from dr. fauci, and i really scary because what are they going to do? o.j.-style, keep lying about the connection from or privately call up the cia or nsc and say, you know what, there was a leak,

we are not going to talk about it publicly, but we were trying to hide your role in it because you subsidized some of the research that led to the leak, or are they going to say it will never happen again, with the idea that a very well could happen again and do a lot of damage and ruin the american economy and really shake our foundations. >> laura: or by the way -- >> or, and that is the nice version, laura, because they are basically saying you should be happy it is involuntary manslaughter and not murder. >> laura: dr. fauci, by the way, victor -- >> this could get interesting. >> laura: he engaged in a bit of revisionist history on the whole lab leak theory. watch. >> if you go back then, even though you mean toward feeling that this is more likely a natural occurrence, we always felt that you've got to keep an open mind. all of us. we didn't get up and start announcing it, but we said keep an open mind and continue to look. so i think it is a bit of a distortion to say that we

deliberately suppressed that. >> laura: didn't he -- he was thanked for advising on the scientific letter that proclaimed that it wasn't a lab leak and it was a natural occurrence, and now he is saying, oh, we were always open-minded. it's a flat out lie. >> that's pathetic. he knew that dr. danzig had loaded -- he knew the investigation that went over to wuhan was sanctioned by the chinese, ideologically cleansed for a predetermined result, he knew all of that. he made fun of people, and what he did was conflated to go different things, legitimate concern that the lab had a roll of gain-of-function research with the origin of covid, and he tried to suppress that by saying all of these conspiracy nuts are saying that the chinese military made a bio weapon and released it to kill americans. they were not saying that. they were saying that this was a

sloppy procedure -- >> laura: should never have had our money -- >> yeah, and he just conflated that to distort reality and hide his own role in subsidizing gain-of-function research in china that i think, and i think you would all of our listeners do too, may have had a fundamental role in the creation of this virus. >> laura: victor, thank you, great to see you. and biden and his cohorts are now taking a victory lap. just now come about reopening. ron desantis has opened his state, he did over a year ago, has some thoughts on that, plus he is going to tell us how his state is going to help with the border crisis. stay there. he re.

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♪ ♪ >> this is the first state to initiate a stay-at-home order. this was a state that was guided by science, back to. >> in new york has done has been extraordinary. we went literally from worst to first. we are going to light all of the estate assets, empire state building, in blue and gold. and we are going to have fireworks. >> laura: what preening. these blue state governors want you to believe that ending their

insane lockdown policy is a after red states did means that they are the great heroes of the moment. oh, really? for instance, despite locking down hard for months and mandating universal masking, new york's overall covid death rate is 56% higher than florida, which ended his lockdown over a. likewise, their death rate worse than georgia and texas. while california's rate was on par with those red states, when it went after their economy, it was crushed after gavin newsom's reign of terror. the state's unemployment rate in april, 8.3%, it's devastating, second worst in the nation, new york's right behind it at 8.2%. compare that with texas, 6.7%, 4.8% in georgia, at 4.3% in georgia. joining me now, governor ron desantis. governor, great to see you tonight. president biden is also planning and independence from covid party on july 4th.

but of course, he made kristi noem cancel the fireworks at mount rushmore in a victim addictive act. what is this theater? it was covid theatre, now it is no covid theater. >> yeah, i think it is a head-scratcher what he is doing. when you showed that with these lockdown states, we have to make sure this does not happen to our country again. the default should be freedom, and then if you have data that supports policies, then you have to have a reason to do it, and i think what ended up happening is you had the 15 days to slow the spread, and that just kind of turned into a perpetual lockdown in states other than florida and georgia, who really fought to get everything open. that can't be the way it is, and i talked to small business owners, i talked to people who have jobs saved because of what we did come every day and florida, and to a man, they will say, if we had had those

policies in a new york or california, here, i would've lost my job, i would've lost my business, my kids would not have been able to be in school, so we handled it in a way that really looked out for the best interests of our entire society, including our schoolchildren, and we are proud of what we did. >> laura: governor, former biden covid advisor andy slavik is still predicting doom and gloom in your state. >> i think what you will see is in communities, perhaps in the southeast, where vaccination rates are lower, i think you will see outbreaks, particularly come fall, and in amusement parks, we will see it in churches, weddings, see them in places where people are not vaccinated. >> laura: governor, the sky is always falling in slavitt-land. >> i think also, vaccinations, we have done between 85-90% of our senior population has gotten

shots. we have not mandated it, of course, for anybody, so i think the key is have the vulnerable people been vaccinated, and so i think that most states actually in the country at this point have done a really good job, so you're never going to have zero covid cases, but this is clearly in a much different posture that it was last year, and we should be thankful for that, rather than try to scare everybody and rile people up for the umpteenth time. >> laura: governor, i also want to get to a partnership that you are entering into with your colleague, greg abbott, the governor of texas, who has a huge problem, of course, in the border area, where thousands of people a day crossing illegally. you're going to send florida law enforcement officers to help, and arizona, as well? >> sure. so, when we have emergency situations, states help each other out fearful we have gotten a lot of help over the years reo

hurricanes. this is a disaster and it is an emergency for people like texas and arizona. they asked all governors to be able to send support. florida is the first want to answer the call. we are going to have personnel from our state law enforcement agencies, and then we have a number of our sheriff's departments who raised their hands. they wanted to be part of it, as well. this does affect everyone, laura. i, just a couple weeks ago, was meeting with some sheriffs in north florida, they said the number one problem is that methamphetamine, in its almost all coming in from across the southern border. well, what has been happening the last six months, this stuff is pouring across, it is damaging, it is hurting people's lives, causing people to lose their lives to these drug overdoses, so we think it is something, one, when they asked, we want to be good americans, but we also think it is good for our state to get this under control, and if the federal government is unwilling or unable to act, than the states are just going to have to step

up. >> laura: governor, i'm going to ask you the same question i asked governor abbott. given everything that has happened, do you believe the biden administration's handling of this border is willful, purposeful neglect? >> i do, because we had policies that were working. laura, you know, things happen sometimes, you have to respond to, that are beyond your control. this is a situation that was under control because donald trump had good policies that worked. they intentionally undid all of those policies, knowing full well what the ramifications would be, and the results have been catastrophic. >> laura: governor, great to see you tonight. coming up, raymond arroyo tracks down the tragedy of the biden-putin summit, and the media's attempt, albeit lame, to spend at. "seen and unseen" next. ♪ ♪

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turn to fox news contributor raymond arroyo, safely back from the border, and between your reports, raymond, you have been watching biden's summit with vladimir putin. now, some in the media, they were really trying their hardest to spin biden stature before it even started. >> the handshake, biden looked putin in the eye with a smile, putin looked away. it is about how you project strength. >> who goes first, who extends their hands first -- >> exactly. it was a significant handshake. >> laura: oh, my. >> look come objectively, biden had a very shaky week, as you have been pointing out. he has been focusing on scheid if scheid if she was often, losd otherwise, and just look at him next to vladimir putin, please. the body language tells the tale. putin is taking space, man spreading, looks like a mafia don, and biden is physically

shrinking, looks like he is waiting for the family to pick them up at the home, sheltering in place, but this is what happens, when the stakes are this high, you can't let this happen in public. who is controlling the rope? it is not biden. for comparison state, look at trump and putin. look at that. putin in seating no physical ground to him, at all, taking the space, that is a challenge, physically, just optically. >> laura: i mean, trump looked comfortable. he looked comfortable in a room with other leaders, who, they are strong leaders. angela merkel is not a dumb person. she is a really smart person. macron might not be large in stature, but he is not a dummy, and you have putin who is a killer -- he is a killer. i mean that in the nicest of ways. >> the curious thing -- speaking of killer, there was a moment where putin was tickled, and it is when russian security rushed in and hassled the american

press corps. they were screaming. biden's gene nearly taking it in, smiling, no sense of alarm or distress. again, he always seems to be in the wrong play, laura, unaware of what is happening. let's hope that went better than the final press conference, and boy, was he pooped when he began. >> hello, everyone. well, i just finished the last meeting of this week's long trip, the u.s.-russian summit. i caught part of president putin's press conference. we rallied our fellow democracies to make concert -- concerted commitments. when i talked about the pipeline, that cyber hit for $5 million, the ransomware hit in the united states, in fact, violated basic norms, we will respond. he knows.

what next? what is going to happen next is we are going to be able to look back, look ahead. >> i love the trump flashback. i saw president trump's -- putin's presser. he is unsteady, laura. the cognitive difficulties are more apparent in these moments. one wonders what is really going through putin's mind, when he saw biden shuffling with his notecards. >> laura: raymond, this was so disturbing, not just because we have seen someone in decline. somewhat in decline pushed out onto the world stage who looks like he should be finding the tapioca ball, okay, it is just wrong. it's terrible to do that to someone. but malcolm it's serious because it has national and international consequences. this is really serious. and the democrats are irresponsible nominating him to be president of the united states. they all know it and they're not going to say it to joe. >> foreign policy is the logical

extension of personal relationships -- no, it isn't. soft and hard power and values, and that takes might and strength, and we didn't see much of it today. you know, he made a big deal of saying there were no angry or hyperbolic exchanges with putin. no, it seems he save those for that cnn reporter you played earlier. he later apologized. i want to play that. listen to the end of this, laura. he gives us insight into his thinking as he went into this meeting with food end. listen. >> i own my last question or apology. look, to be a good reporter, you have to be negative, you have to have a negative view of life, it seems to me, the way you all -- you never asked positive questions. there is a value to being optimistic. >> basically, this is an optimistic front, laura. he knows nothing is coming up this thing. why do the summit at all?

no wonder putin trashed him when asked what they talked about, he offered "we talked about what his mother said." [laughs] >> laura: by the way, that was a really bad russian accent, okay? there was one positive biden performance on late night. >> here's the deal. nobody is better than you, and i know we can do better than that, no joke. >> well, i appreciate that, sir. >> i appreciate you, merv. and the guy that runs england, boris karloff, boris johnson, i met the high school kid who runs france, macaroni, had tea with the queen. >> laura, that guy is more snappy than the other guy. as biden would say, joey, keep them laughing. back to you, shannon. >> laura: thank you, bret. and brand-new data on

vaccinating and masking kids under 18 should be a wake-up call to every medical professional. so, why hasn't it been? dr. jay bhattacharya is here next with the details and answers.

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the most egregious is their reckless disregard for our kids safety. the fda released alarming findings that 12-15-year-old given the pfizer vaccine experienced serious effects at a rate eight times higher than big pharma previously reported, how convenient. likewise, data out of canada reported among 20-29 years old, the risk of harm from the astrazeneca vaccine is 37.5% greater than getting severely ill from covid. now, imagine the risk to even younger people. here with me now is jay bhattacharya, a professor of medicine at stanford who has a piece coming out tomorrow with another star, dr. martin waldorf, on this very topic. dr. bhattacharya, why is this data being ignored? >> i mean, it really shouldn't be. the risk that children face from covid itself is vanishingly small, and, you know, this is an emergency use vaccine, and we

don't know all of its characteristics. data are coming out that myocarditis risk does happen in children, because even any risk at all for this vaccine in children, why give it to them, is the argument i'd make. wait and see, rather than rush forward with this. it doesn't make much sense. >> laura: jerome adams, you might remember him, former surgeon general under president trump, made a comment about vaccinating young people, saying no matter your age or perceived risk, the risk of myocarditis or blood clots or hospitalizations or deaths from covid-19 far exceed any known risk from the vaccine. doctor, is that correct? >> that's not right, unfortunately. i respect dr. adams quite a bit, but i think he got this wrong. the rate at which kids suffer from covid is very low. more kids died last year of the flu then died of covid. whereas the risk of the vaccine, we are seeing, for instance, israel, the rate of myocarditis

in kids given the vaccine is somewhere in the order of one in 5,000. basically, you are balancing a very, very low risk of benefit -- even small risk of harm. if you are older, of course vaccine is a good idea because the risk of covid is so bad if you were to get it. the vaccine, you could accept some side effects because you prevent a bad risk. for children, the calculation is completely different. i'm not sure what dr. adams is talking about there. >> laura: well, the u.k. seems like it is wary about exiting children. the daily telegram reporting experts on the committee of vaccinations are expected to make a recommendation against the vaccination of under 18. the statement said more time is needed to assess the study, but meanwhile, i just heard tonight, thomas dr. bhattacharya, in washington, d.c., a very prominent catholic school named

gonzaga is going to be requiring students who enroll to have the covid vaccine. that is a private catholic institution putting parents in a very difficult position. >> yeah, some colleges have done that around the country, as well, mandating vaccines for young people. a situation like this where we have an emergency use vaccine, it really is unethical to mandate it, it can be a personal decision, if you are still very scared of covid as a 20-year-old, maybe you take it, i can understand that, but as a leader of an institution to mandate that everyone take it, the kids in your charge take it, does not make much sense to me. >> laura: now, dr. bhattacharya, parents in florida recently sent their kids masks to a lab for analysis, and the report that came out of this showed that the masks were contaminated with bacteria, parasites, fungi, including three were dangerous pathogenic and pneumonia causing bacteria. no viruses.

were detected on the mask. are you surprised? >> not even a little. i mean, anyone who has little children, and they have them around for just a little while, can understand, you're going to get all kinds, you know, things on the mask at the end of the day if you are requiring kids to wear it. asking kids to wear the mask, there is no real benefit, i think, as far as disease spread, they spread much less efficiently than adults. with kids, we really mistreated them. we treated them as if they were vectors of the disease when they are really not. >> laura: no, it's child abuse. i'm going to say it, it is child abuse, making kids where mass. dr. bhattacharya, thank you. we are going to show you what i was doing in florida today. hint, it involves a gun in a live shooter simulation.

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