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>> good morning, charles it's a weekend away for washington, for president biden after a week away in europe. the white house says next week, the president will be talking with democrats and republicans about the potential for an infrastructure compromise there's a group of senate democrats and republicans who were negotiating a $1 trillion infrastructure proposal, but there are significant disagreements, in particular, how to pay for it on one side you've got democrats who want to increase taxes, on the other side you've got republicans who want to use unspent covid relief funds. >> i, myself, do not think we should be taking money out of the pockets of people of unemployment or take money out out of the rescue package, because it's there for a purpose >> his own proposal, as you know, is a huge new package, $2.65 trillion with $2 trillion of new taxes, particularly taxes on american businesses and american workers, which makes no

sense coming out of this pandemic. reporter: and to close the week the federal reserve raised its expectations for inflation. there are concerns pumping even more money into the economy could lead to higher prices, a monmouth poll asking how concerned are you that the president's spending plans could lead to inflation, 47% say they're very concerned, 24% say somewhat concerned, 17% say not too concerned. not at all concerned at 11 and 1 % say they just don't know. now the white house is also speaking with democrats on a separate proposal of $6 trillion economic proposal. that's something that they would go alone on this one if they could not gain republican support. charles back to you. charles: rich thank you very much and of course we'll note that you are joining us from wilmington, where the president is today. thanks a lot, rich. well my next guest has signed on to that $1.2 trillion framework, and it is gaining traction, republican south dakota senator mike rounds joins us now. senator rounds, you know, i'm

really impressed how this is really growing despite all of the negativity despite the fact that maybe some folks thought this was not going to work. the package that you're backing, describe that for us. >> first of all, it's a frame work for a package, and what we're trying to do is to focus on real infrastructure, republicans and democrats all agree, we do need to do an infrastructure package, but we've got to be able to define what infrastructure is and right now, that's been a little bit challenging by itself. roads, bridges, ports, airports, and now we're talking the telecommunications as well, water projects and so forth. as we build that, we're also looking at ways to pay for it over a period of between five and eight years, but with that comes a disagreement with democrats. democrats would like to raise taxes. we're simply saying look this is not the time to raise taxes. the tax reductions that we put in effect actually helped to build the economy before the pandemic hit, and what we'd

like to focus on is finding the dollars that have already been appropriated but not yet committed, and not yet sent out, for covid relief, and including the ppp program and including some other funds that may very well have been in for unemployment benefits that a number of our states have reject ed but it's a frame work- only. there's a lot of work to do yet. charles: what do you make of the fact that as the news was getting better on this , that the framework more folks are joining in on the framework particularly on the republican side all of a sudden out of left field you get a $6 trillion proposal that of course is no surprise bernie sanders is behind it, but a lot of democrat s are saying hey, why go small? this is a once-in-a-lifetime crisis, let's go for $6 trillion , what do you make of that? >> elections have consequences and right now, they do have enough votes, if everybody votes for a tax increase and if they vote, if they decide that they want to go big on it, they've got 50 votes in the united

states senate if they can talk all of their members into it. we're offering a reasonable alternative that could stand the test of time. our goal, focus on infrastructure. let's get an infrastructure package done. we've proven that if you work side by side and you're reasonable, you could do bipartisan deals in the senate which is exactly what the founding fathers wanted. we did pandemic relief. we did a series of bills and we did it in a bipartisan basis well over 90 votes out of 100 in each one of the first five. it's a doable deal. if the democrats decide they want to go it alone, i don't know that they are going to have the support of all of their democrat colleagues at this point. some of the folks have to go back and talk to the taxpayers between now and election day. taxpayers are not going to be happy with a huge, huge tax bill coming due. charles: absolutely, and it's not just by the way senator man chin, whose always the elephant in the room when you have these conversations. one thing before i let you go. it seems like no matter what the crisis is the solutions

always go beyond economic reality, and i had the honor of interviewing representative yarmouth yesterda y and essentially it comes down to this idea that the federal government can print unlimited amounts of money. why hold back? what's holding the government back from solving all of our solutions? is that an ideological thesis or is there some economic truth to that? >> look, you can't simply continue to just print money. when you do that, you end up monetizing debt, and what happens is is the assets that are out there are devalued. cash is devalued, inflation rise s, and the american taxpayer have a hidden tax. it means your gas prices are going to go up, it means your food prices are going to go up, basic commodities will go up in price, so anytime you start to make it an artificial issue where the government is issuing cash that really isn't well- represented by a growing business economy, you're going to have consequences and the consequences unfortunately

are inflation, which is some of the lowest income individuals in our country the worst. charles: senator that invisible taxes, not so invisible anymore. thank you so much appreciate your time this saturday morning. >> thank you. charles: well, a new poll, folks shows that americans are actually worrying that all of the spending will keep prices rising. though same inflation fears have the dow suffering its longest losing streak since january. here to help unpack it all the group cio david bhonson and daniel danielle. you've been warning about this loudly for a long period of time, we saw the consequences in the market yesterday where do we go from here? >> well that's a really good question and unfortunately, the inflation that we're seeing right now, we're seeing commodities inflation roll over. we've seen lumber lose half of its gain, so we've seen input prices that are really going to hurt the factory sector begin to cool off. that's good news.

that's great news for america's manufactures. what we are seeing in its place, however is rental inflation going through the roof, charles whether you're talking about zillow or other sources of apartment rental inflation data. that very problematic because that is what we call sticky inflation. it's very hard to get under control, once it gets underway in terms of rising, and it hits the people who are on fixed incomes, 60 and older and those who make the least the hardest we've got a rental eviction moratorium expiring at the end of this month this is a public relations disaster for fiscal policy and monetary policy because they are trying to make things better for the worker bees of this nation and things are actually going to get a lot worse if you'll hit households with their biggest budgetary line item. charles: you know, laura, i no one of the big things within the democratic party is never let a good crisis go to waste but are you afraid that by doing so, you're actually creating

another much larger, crisis, with roaring inflation? >> well, i would say this. i would say republicans stoke fears of inflation before mid-terms and elections. right now americans are confidents in the growth in the economy. they are confident in their personal finances. those numbers are growing in the poll as well. most economists say this inflation is transitory which means it will expire, which means that the pent-up demand of the pandemic and some of the international issues are temporary. we're going to see dads barbecu ing on labor day, grill ing some ribs, and they are going to be glad that their wages have risen because the economic power and the wage power of workers has increased for the first time in a long time. i think the corporate ceos are a little bit afraid that they have to continue to pay those working americans whose wages were far too low for far too long, and let them unable to afford things like rent so i think ultimately, we're going to see this pass, and the economy is going to

continue to go back. charles: you know, david, i look at the numbers every single day as you do, so i know wages were really coming on strong in real life, against inflation, prior to the pandemic. i know that this year, every single month, wages when you add in inflation, have been negative and i think this is what real people are feeling. they may grill a steak tomorrow for dad's day, but they are going to be worrying if they can do it again next year. david, you follow the numbers, what are they telling you? >> well, i mean, some of the stuff is just in sane. wages were growing significantly in 2017, 2018, and 2019, it's in disputable, but i don't agree that the inflation issue is the big concern. danielle talked about the fiscal policy side and i'm more focused there, because i think it's in excusable that we have 9.3 million job openings and we can't fill the jobs, so for someone to come on tv and talk about how there's these great opportunities of wages going up, when people are being paid not to work, they are

focusing on a $19 an hour temporary benefit over the dignity that comes from work , which is readily available in this economy. it's totally inexcusable and it's an unforced error that didn't need to be there. the inflation story has a very inconvenient problem. a 1.4% 10 year bond yield. that's not inflation. what is a problem is the biden administration unnecessarily paying people not to work. charles: laura? >> well i just think if you want people to go back to work you pay them to go back to work. that's the supply and demand issue. i actually think that we have seen across this country, we know that the divide between the rich and poor is staggering and we know that people in retail and service economies particularly suffer. the ones many of whom are on the front lines during the pandemic. if you want people to come back to work, pay them to do so, and let's stop and eliminate the lack of a living wage in so many communities in america. let's try to at get behind that.

>> everybody is paid to go back to work. that's what the money is for. they get paid when they go back to work. >> i'm about to jump in here, please. charles: i'm going to let, by the way, danielle we've got a minute to go so maybe you can put a bow on this for us. >> i'll be really quick, charles. to david's point, you have 7 million people who are going to pour back into the labor pool between now and labor day. that's going to alleviate pressure, not on the big corporations that can afford to pay up for wages but on the small businesses that are literally drowning in high wages , they cannot open up their restaurants, they cannot open up their stores because they cannot afford to pay these wages so i don't think it should be good fiscal policy to put america's small businesses out of business charles: the number one employer in the country cannot compete. by the way, chipotle they are giving out $16 an hour, pet insurance, everything, and they still can't attract workers, so when you pay people not to work, it has consequences across-the-board. thank you, all very much appreciate it, coming up folks,

we know a lot of republicans are mounting pressure on vice president kamala harris to visit the border. you're going to meet the democrat whose urging her to do the same. congressman henry cuellar sending her a letter but first a startling number of airline passengers creating chaos on planes while others are just getting frustrated with mask mandates and what the faa is telling us is next. ♪welcome back to that same old place♪ ♪that you laughed about♪ ♪well, the names have all changed♪ ♪since you hung around♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you. there's no other snack like a planters cashew. what else can go from your car's cup holder to a crystal bowl and seem equally at home? i guess the most well-rounded snack isn't round at all. it's more cashew-shaped. planters. a nut above.

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ing incidents are sparked by masks. the agency telling our team that 3,000 incidents have been reported this year. 2,300 of them involve passengers who refused to comply with the federal mask mandate. oh, and it just happened this week, new video showing a southwest passenger being escorted off a flight from nashville to charlotte, so what's going on here? the former spirit airlines ceo ben balldanza. ben, i think some of it too might be just cabin fever, right we've been pent-up for a long time, might have forgotten how to get along in public with each other. >> well, charles, it's great to be with you. i think that's part of the case. you know, there aren't a lot of business people traveling right now. that means airplanes are filled with people, many of whom haven't traveled since before the pandemic, are uncertain of a lot of the rules, they don't fully understand why they don't need to wear a mask in a grocery store now but they still do in the airports and on the airplane that inconsistency is causing a

lot of concern, especially with sort of a leisure traffic base, it's a little less sophisticated when it comes to the rules of the road as it sounds. you know, with traveling on airplanes. charles: right. but you know, if you think about it, particularly in the beginning of the crisis, when airlines obviously were a key focus for everyone, we heard that airplanes were actually safer than any other environment, the way the air circulated, actually made it less likely we be able to contract covid-19, so the airline industry itself sort of said hey, don't worry about flying. we're actually safer than any other thing you could possibly be doing right now, so when you get on a plane and the cdc says we don't need masks you can understand why someone might think this is a little bit over board, maybe too cautious, maybe too much of a power trip. i mean, what do you say to people who feel that way? >> well, i do understand that, but and i think that it is true. you are safer on an airplane.

it's more like hospital air than it is than like your home air because of the way it circulates and the industry has done a good job of that but it still is a federal law. it became a federal mandate and whether we like it or not, i hear it in your last panel somebody said elections have consequences, this is an example of that, charles. it's a law until september 13 and it was extended that on airplanes in airports and in public transportation, masks are still required, even though, you know, you can be in positions where you're sitting near no one in an airport, and you're fully vaccinated, you're still by law required to wear that mask, and i think flight attendants are backed up by that. it's one thing for a flight attendant to say it's our company policy that you wear the mask. it's another to say it's the law , so i understand why customers can be confused, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't follow the law, and if

you don't like the law, the answer is then don't, the answer isn't to punch your flight attend apt or be rude to people around you it's to change the law. charles: before i let you go how do you feel the industry is it hanging in there? you mentioned the absence of business travel and i know that's very profitable for the industry. does it look like it'll make it through on its own or will they need some sort of federal assistance? >> well i don't think more federal assistance is going to be needed, charles but let me say that summer is typically not a big time for business travel. summer is when families go on vacation, and kids go to see grandparents and such, and the bookings are strong for the industry this summer. everyone is expecting a big summer for travel, as long as they can get a rental car, as long as tsa can staff up the airports and things like that, we're going to see our first indication of business travel return when we get to the fall in september and october,

that's when businesses would typically be sending people out to see clients, when vegas and orlando would have lots of trade shows and conventions. we're going to see what happens this fall and that'll tell the industry a lot about what business travel in 2022 is going to be. charles: ben, thank you so much, really appreciate it. hey folks, more hiring signs in-store fronts? well north carolina not the only one why something happening in eight states today could be the key to solving this labor crunch and the crime rates surging are those pushing to de fund the police on the defense >> [chanting] n. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right.

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ron desantis is slated to speak later tonight. our mark meredith is in kissimme e, florida where he's checking out whose showing up, mark? reporter: charles good morning to you. for religious conservatives this is a chance to push the reset button after last years election, and of course, much of the focus is going to be on next year's mid-term elections we're hearing from so many people that want to see the house and senate go back into republican hands and one of those who attendees heard from yesterday was former vice president mike pence. >> a conservative and a republican in that order. in just 148 days, the biden- harris administration has unleashed a tidal wave of left wing policies and threaten ed to wipe out all of the progress that we made. reporter: now pence received a mostly-warm reaction during his speech yesterday but there were a few boo's and a few people chanted the word "trader" and were quickly escorted out of the room certainly unhappy with pence after he certified the

electoral college results although we are hearing from top republicans coming to pence's defense saying he was one of the most loyal supporters of president trump. >> mike pence is not a trader. he was a vice president that stood right by president trump, helped him get through the tax reform, get those judges in as presiding over the senate as well. mike pence deserves a lot of credit. reporter: as you can tell the speakers are already on the stage right now, but the big highlight today is going to be from florida governor ron desantis. he's up for re-election here in this state next year, but he's giving a lot of buzz as a potential presidential candidate in 2024. speaking to a lot of attendees they are eager to see if he's going to run. we'll be listening to his speech to see if he drops any hints of anything like that but charles a lot of people eager to see what may come out of this conference. charles: absolutely, thank you very much, mark. well after the signing, the celebrating, president joe biden marking today juneteenth a federal holiday, this is the day america marks the end of slavery heritage foundation president

casey james says it's a day that all americans can coming together. i can't think of anyone bet tore have this conversation, what's your thoughts? >> well, good morning and happy juneteenth to you. what freedom-loving american would not want to celebrate the emancipation of an enslaved population. i think that it is a fabulous day to focus on the goodness that is america. charles: i agree with you. i just can't believe it just within minutes of this happening , how, you know, it just became politicized and you hear people saying the next step is to change the flag and you know, what is it about people particularly extraordinarily successful people, in this country, that they don't understand our growth , our maturation, our progress, it's what makes us the greatest country in the world and why do they want to go back and relitigate yesteryear in history? you can't rewrite it and you can learn from it but i'm just so proud to be an american,

particularly on today. >> you know, i am as well, and i think it's a teachable moment for all of america, but particularly for our youth. those who are discouraged by what they see going on in the streets and the divisions and our country, we can come together today, and celebrate the fact that even when there's something that is horribly wrong in this country, our founders gave us the means and mechanisms by which to correct it, and so, we, today, come together and celebrate the fact that even though it was an egregious error, even though it was a horrible situation, look at what we did as a country look at how we can come together , black and white americans today, and celebrate the fact that we corrected an egregious wrong, and celebrate freedom. we would celebrate freedom anywhere that we saw it taking place around the world.

why not celebrate it right here in our own country? charles: what do you make of the current climate? again, there are powerful forces , in my mind, that only can stay powerful if we stay divided, and it seems like they always have a way of making the headlines, elevating certain people to become spokespersons or people, and that's what's holding, i think that that entity, those folks are what's holding us back from becoming even greater nation. >> but you know, they truly are , and i find it so offensive. those of us who love this country and love each other i think we can push them aside by demonstrating to them what it looks like when freedom-loving people, be they black, white, purple or green, come together to celebrate the goodness of this country. charles: where do you see us going from here? you know, again, every time we get something like this , you

start to hear folks immediately just attack, attack, attack, instead of celebrate celebrate celebrate. do you think the framework you described earlier by the framers of the constitution will continue to drive us, even through those particular hurdles >> i am the quintessential optimist and i believe in the goodness of america, but particularly, the goodness of the american people, and i don't think that those forces that seek to divide us for their own purposes, be they personal or political or for grabs of power, are going to prevail. we just won't let them. charles: kay c. james always an honor and privilege and i would invite anyone to look at your life story and what you've contributed to society because you're amazing so thanks for spending this time with us. >> absolutely. now go celebrate fathers and juneteenth. charles: we will. thank you. coming up at the top of the hour , vice president kamala

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charles: celebrating its reopening this week as the state reaches a 70% vaccination rate, but that won't cut it if you want to see the foo fighters at the city's first full capacity concert tomorrow night fox business lydia hu explains. reporter: music is back in the big apple starting this weekend, the foo fighters will headline a big performance sunday at madison square garden, the first full capacity performance since the start of the pandemic. no social distancing or masks require, no restrictions on capacity, but the garden is requiring that everyone in attendance be fully vaccinated and they areuiring proof in order for fans to enter. now, while the kickoff to the concert season is big reason to

celebrate industry advocates are reminding that small, privately- owned venues across the country are still struggling , and trying to survive after a years worth of lost revenue. congress set aside $15 billion in emergency funding for small venues in december, but these small business administration has only awarded about $530 million worth of that money , we spoke to one venue operator who says they need this money in order to get back up and running once again. >> it's a trickle at this point we need a deluge of the grants to be honored. we are given the funding that we have been promised for emergency relief that will all be up and operating, and i know, i can't wait to get into a crowded room and hear my favorite bands. reporter: the small business administration said in a statement that the pace of distributing the money is, "not reflective of the high standards that we try to meet" and they say they are trying to expedite

the distribution of these funds. meanwhile, back here at madison square garden it can tell you tickets for the show are sold out. back to you. charles: thank you so much, well from rock to restaurants, life is coming back and doesn't my next guest know it. he just reopened his applebee's in times square this week joining me apple metro ceo chairman zane tengle. congratulations, my man. >> thank you, thank you. charles: you know, just talk to us about this. this is the epicenter of everything, everything comes to times square, everyone knows you're applebee's. you made it through, so what's going to happen here, from here? >> well, i think that it's just onward and upward. those of us who have survived, charles, have survived. you know? it's a law of the jungle so to speak, only the strong survive. we opened three days ago, and record sales last night, friday

night. our first friday night, zero marketing, zero anything, just put a sign out that says "open." 42nd street is coming back. i'm looking out the window and talking to you right now and half the block is closed, so it seems that the demand is because of choice. a lot of people didn't make it through. a lot of people didn't get there this past year and it has been one of early morning, late at night, everyday, day in, day out , and working through this thing. those of us who manage to get here, here we are. we did lots of pivots, to get outside furniture, get inside furniture, put dividers up, don't put dividers up, but what the one thing we did, charles which i think was the smartest thing we could have done is we retained several hundred managers. we kept them on our payroll through all of it, so as we began to reopen, we have now 24

restaurants reopened in new york , by far the most of any single company, as we did that, charles, we filled in with hourly people, and we pay them a premium, because we're competing with the government who says we'll pay you to stay home, and we say we'll pay you to come to work, so we pay you a premium to the hourlies, we already had the managers in place, and the strategy seems to be working. charles: looks like, i guess the difference there is then and we talk about it often, right? the dignity of work and the opportunity to get on the economic ladder and then pull yourself up. you and i have talked about that so many times, zane. >> we have, charles, and you know, we're all different people and there's some folks that just don't want to work no matter what. i don't know that the economics are paying them at home keeps them home. there are also the workers that come to work and don't really work.

there's a certain something in somebody and i'm always admired by those who rise above, we come from some pretty tough neighborhoods like east new york , south bronx, and i'm always so proud of the folks that just raise themselves above their home boys, their buddies, and they come to work, and they're awesome people. awesome people. charles: how are you feeling, you talk about a city that's been absolutely devastated, some of it, of course the hand fisted approach by lawmakers there. are you confident that new york city can come all the way back? >> all the way, all the way is a big way, charles. all the way, i don't think so. i think that it'll open, it'll be different, my understanding in talking with real estate operators that it's still something like only 9% of all of the offices in midtown manhattan are occupied, 9% as you well

know, there's been some mandates, everybody has to come back to work in july. i'm not sure you make that happen. think about commuting expense, dry cleaning, laundry, they don't have that now. i think you'll see some mix and match, which we have about 40 people at our corporate offices, and what we've done is we've said come in, just a couple days a week, if you can get your work done and stay home stay home and that's the hybrid. of course in the restaurant industry, they got to show up every day. charles: they got to show up, yeah. >> yeah. charles: i just want to say, zane, you talk about those tough kids from these tough neighborhoods. you also are a tough kid whose always shown us the way, so i appreciate it and i'm glad you fought through it, my man. great success and i'll see you down at one of these applebee's in the very near future. thanks a lot. >> thanks so much charles really appreciate it charles thanks for having me. charles: you got it. you know, forget defunding the

police. with crime rates surging across america's cities, it's a time to refund them instead. meet the lawmaker that's trying to make that happen. >> [applause] ♪ where everybody knows your name ♪ ♪♪ ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you.

charles: crime rates nationwide on the rise in the wake of the defund the police movement. here in new york city, alone, murders are up around 13% this year, shooting incidents are up over 60%, my next guest just met with top nypd leaders to find out just how bad this violent trend is getting. joining me on the phone house homeland security committee ranking member and new york republican, john cat katko. representative, tell us about the conversation with the nypd. >> well thanks for having me and i'll tell you i was a federal organized crime prosecutor for 20 years before coming to congress, and between that time and here in congress on homeland security committee i can say that i've never seen law

enforcement more demoralized and morale at such a low, and this defunding the police and what it means to new york city, for example, 500 less detectives to go after crime. 500, and 50% of the people being shot who shot someone are released through the bail reform in new york and all kinds of things are going on and i really worry about what's going to happen this summer, it's a powder keg, and they easily estimate another 1,000 people or more in new york city alone will be shot between now and the end of the year. that's frightening. charles: yeah, i grew up in harlem in the 70s, and you know, i just people cannot understand, we've shown some scenes on the screen, that those are daily those things will happen daily, two or three times a day, with the broken demoralized police force that's afraid to act, or that is constrained in some way , and i'm worrying about images we saw last summer, where people were pouring water on police officers that were trying to do their job and they could

not retaliate in any way. so what do the police say that they need? i was imagining they need support from leadership, more than anything else. obviously, money but don't they need leadership to step up and say hey, we need to protect the people that protect us? >> yeah, and i think that's right and there's a bunch of different dynamics going on first of all the resources are strained so any proactive policing is really under stress and they are basically just trying to respond to crimes, and they are telling me how many are random victims of stray bullets there are, from gun shots and new york city alone, and they are saying that they basically feel like, and one of them told me yesterday they can't remember a law that was passed and written in the recent times that helped keep people safe. all the laws tell us what we cannot do, and or add another redundant layer and it's constraining them to do their job and if they are constrained to do their job they are less hesitant to act and people are

going to pay the price. people are terrified even going on the subways in new york city from what i understand, and ridership is way down because of the violence on the subway. charles: yeah, representative ka tko, we're watching the new york city mayoral election and there's massive changes and it seems like when eric adams, a former police officer, started to talk about quality of life, law enforcement even suggesting that there should be better support for law enforcement, he rocketed to the top of the polls. could there be a sea change even in a very liberal city like new york where supporting the police is now something that people realize has to be part of the overall success of a community? >> there's no question about it i think people are starting to understand that of course there's bad cops and of course any rational or decent law enforcement officer wants to weed out the bad cops, and if we need some reforms to ensure that that happens they are all for it and i'm all for it and i'm helping to work on that but here is the reality.

97% of gun victims are minority in new york city, right? and in those communities, the very communities they think they are helping by defunding police are the ones that are suffering the most, and i think they are starting to realize that, you know, a well-funded police department that's well- trained is far better than what we have right now and you know when i was a prosecutor we did a lot of community policing, engaging with the communities saying okay where are your hotspots, let's work together and get them. and we can't do that anymore, when you defund the police. charles: i love the idea of community policing. thank you so much, sir. thanks for your efforts. everyone really needs to come to fruition. meanwhile, the big question is when will vice president kamala harris be at the border? texas democrat hen ray cuellar is putting this question in writing and we want to to if he's heard back from her yet. he'll join us at the top of the hour but first to hiring crisis, with businesses struggling to find workers why something happening in eight states today could be the key to

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charles: well, more states are ending the extended jobless benefits today including wyoming where many business owners say they are desperate to find workers, one of them is connie m alot, owner of a mexican restaurant in cody, wyoming. connie, tell us about this move. now you think this will first of all, was this an acute problem for you, the lack of workers coming back to work? >> yeah, the whole town is suffering with the lack of employees that are coming back to work. we're just drowning here. we're trying every way we can to

adjust our hours, and open whenever we can. it's a really major problem here charles: you think it will be alleviated to a degree once those federal unemployment checks stop going out? >> you know, it's hard to say. i hope so. you just don't know. i think overall, a lot of the population here in little wyoming they don't want to work. i mean, we have some select few, i have a great team right now that's the only reason i can stay open now is because they stepped up to the plate and have done jobs outside of their, you know, they will be cooking in the kitchen instead of serving or washing dishes, so the people who are at work, they're the only reason that we can stay open right now. i've had an application for dishwashers, cooks, servers, for months, have not had one applicant. charles: amazing, you know, it's politically incorrect to say what you just said but there's

mounting evidence that something is going on. i don't know this because people , i don't know if it's because we were home for 15 months or there's a message out there. i read where 71% of people want to only work for companies that align with their own values, so you've got these sort of crazy ideas out there that the job should be perfect or you shouldn't work. you know, i don't think you and i grew up that way, but can you survive, can any small business survive in that atmosphere? >> not for long, i don't think. first of all, let me say i don't care much about political correctness, just going to tell you what kind of situation i'm in here. yeah, we're just hanging on, and i'm not the only one. all of the businesses in this town, we're a little town outside of yellowstone national park. the businesses here, we're starting to see tourists, and i think people are tired of being locked down, so the businesses here, this is supposed to be a record breaking summer for coty , and we just don't have the employees to handle it.

charles: i got less than a minute. have you raised your, you know, wages, are you offering pet insurance, what have you done to try to even make it more attractive? >> okay, we have raised, yes, we're paying people way above, well we're paying our cooks $15 an hour, offering them an end of the summer bonus, we're giving them two days off a week, we're kind of doing incentives where we have an employee day on one of the days we're closed so they can go to the lake. we're trying to, you know, do whatever we can to offer these people anything to get them into work. it's a struggle. charles: it really is a struggle there's something going on in this country right now and i'm glad you spoke out for it. you know, god bless you, i know you fought this to survive through the pandemic and we hope somehow you get the workers in there and take advantage of this big boom that the summer can bring. connie, thank you. >> thank you. charles: well we're going to go

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>> as the migrants keep flooding in. texas's henry cuellar, and what has he heard back? they're pushing president biden to remove vice-president harris over her absence. the latest bill. >> yeah, charles, good morning to you. we're coming on about three

months since vp harris has been appointed the border czar, if you will. she has not come down here and looked at the surge which continues to get worse every day. if you like a look at video of her, what vp harris has done, she wants to focus on the root of the crisis, in honduras, el salvador and guatemala. she visited guatemala and looked at an anti-corruption task force and the u.s. would give more money, but several gaffes with the media when asked when she hasn't come down here yet and house republicans had enough. 56 of them signed a letter and sent it to president biden saying you need to remove her from the border czar position immediately. take a listen. >> for the good of the families of those whose loved ones have died of drug abuse, for the good of future americans who require a secure border,

please, president biden, take kamala harris off the point of the southern border and put somebody else in control. >> and what you're looking at right now is video we just shot about 45 minutes ago, as soon as we got on scene here in la hoya, texas, a group that gave themselves up to border patrol, a group of 40 or so, it happens every single day, it doesn't matter the temperatures, the migrants are coming and that's why ron desantis he's going to send out florida law enforcement to help out local texas law enforcement. we talked to texas state troopers here yesterday. they say they're ready and they need the help, they need the boots on the ground. take a listen. >> we welcome them coming in to help us. it's a lot especially from the governor of florida to deploy his officers to the southern bore iter to help combat this current situation now. >> all of this happening as

texas governor greg abbott is announcing he's going to take action in his own hands as well, announcing he's planning to build a texas border wall. he says the state has already identified 250 million dollars worth of funds they plan to use as a down payment to get that wall started. we'll send it back to you. charles: thank you very much. bill. vice-president kamala harris says she'll visit the border sometime in the future, but my next guest just sent her a letter urging her to visit now and he's a democrat. joining me texas congressman henry cuellar, have you heard back? >> no, i've not heard from her office. i have called to the white house, my white house contacts, but i've not heard from her. again, we're ready to help her in any way. this is not our first rodeo. we saw this 2014 under barack obama and 2019 under president trump and we've seen it and the report you gave from la hoya. that's my district and i certainly understand what's

happening there. there are people just coming in, if we don't take the incentives away then they're going to keep coming, that's plain and simple. charles: you've seen this before, but the numbers that we're seeing now seem astonishing. i don't know if we've ever had it to this degree and what do you make of vice-president harris saying, well, she's kind of searching, trying to find the roots of the problems as maybe a way of addressing this rather than coming down, the sense of urgency to come down now. >> well, look, there are factors, she's concentrating on the push factors. there's no magic to what the problems are, we already know what they are, it's poverty, it's crime, it's hurricanes, it's droughts. we already know what the roots of the problems are, we've got to address them, but you just cannot focus only on the push factors, you've got to look at pull factors. what policies do you have here at the border. look, under the u.s. law right

now, we have the right to deport people and we've just got to follow the law. that is people that can stay here will stay here, but people that we need to deport, deport them because if we keep catch and release, this will provide a safe incentive for more and more people to come in and the cartels to get richer and richer. charles: well, i saw an interview with the president of guatemala who says flatly it was the rhetoric from candidate biden who became president biden that instantly, instantly, he said the day president biden won the coyotes showed up, those were his wordsment in other words, there's a message from this administration if you make the trek, you're in. >> right. and it was -- it was not only the president from guatemala, the mexican president said the same thing, the rhetoric that came in from before the inauguration, yes, that adds to it and i understand that, you

know, now the administration is saying don't come, but you've got to couple that with action. you've got to show visuals, pictures of people being deported. the only thing we see on your station or other stations are people coming in. have we seen one single person that has been deported? not a single person. we have deported people, but you've got to make sure you give a message and you show pictures, people being deported, otherwise it's just a speed bump down here at the border. charles: what about the people who aren't even being accounted for? the tactics they're using. we speak obviously to border patrol all the time and a group of people come in, give themselves up. you have so few border patrol agents that another group will go in a different direction and it's sort of a setup. we don't know who the folks are, no counting, they get into the system and listen, they're bringing drugs, a lot of things happening that are crushing the

infrastructure i'm talking the human infrastructure of america. >> yes, and let's keep in mind that most drugs, fentanyl and 92% of it comes through our ports of entry, cocaine, 88% of it will come through the ports of entry, they don't come in mainly through our in between our ports, they come through our ports of entry, so we've got to also focus on our ports of entry, but look, i've talked to border patrol, officers, i live here and i don't come here for a few hours, i live her here, i see them at work, at school, kids go to school. i'm telling you they're frustrated. they don't just need a pat on the back. what they need is resources, equipment, more personnel. we're about 2000 border patrol short and you're right, you know, the tactics that the drug cartels will do, they'll go ahead and have one stone and send drugs the other way.

so, yes, the drug cartels are agile and we need to make sure we get more equipment, more personnel, more technology to our border patrol and cvp officers. charles: homeland security alejandro mayorkas saying it's enough that he visited. and what about the house members, if she doesn't want to go down there, maybe somebody else should do the job. >> i think she can do the job. she just needs to get down to the border, you know, we've invited her. i hope she can come down. otherwise she should have not been appointed border czar by the president and that's the reality. so, yes, we want to help her, but the only way that we can help her, if she makes a visit down to the border and meets with land owners mayors, judges, and ngo's down here, not a staged visit, but a real

sit-down with the people that see this on the day-to-day basis. so we certainly invited her to come down. let's see when she'll come down, but we want to be helpful to the vice-president and to the administration. charles: well, representative cuellar, you've always been a straight shooter and we appreciate the way you care about your district, you care about your stake in this country. thank you for coming on, we appreciate it. >> thank you, have a good day. charles: well, possible storm claudette soaking the coast, louisiana, mississippi and alabama, all dealing with heavy rain and flooding this morning. our jonathan serrie is in new orleans with the latest. >> hi there, charles. even though new orleans is close to the center of the storm system, the system is so lopsided most of the heavy rains are far east of here. we've been experiencing some sprinkles on and off. but as far as preparations, we didn't see a lot of sandbagging, no boarding up of windows and throughout the entire storm, overnight, people

were conducting business as usual. businesses maintaining their normal hours, tourists still visiting here. restaurants still open, life pretty much normal. as it came ashore, tropical storm claudette packed sustained winds of 45 miles per hour on the coast. the winds have been kicking up heavy surf as it moves inland, there is a chance it could spn off tornados. but the primary concern is over claudette as a rein event. our storm camera that we set up at cafe du monde show the heavy rains that came through new orleans' french quarter by evening. by nightfall, the rain pretty much stopped here and most of the heavy showers were on the eastern side of the storm. >> it's because we have rivers that are already high and drainage ditches that are already full and streams and so forth. the smaller rains that we may have experienced last month could be just catastrophic.

>> heavy rains caused problems during the friday evening rush hour in mobile, alabama and throughout the southeast. emergency managers are concerned about the potential for flash flooding. in gulf port, mississippi some residents took precautionary measures to shore up homes and businesses with sand bags. their concern was the storm would add more water to drainage ditches that are already saturated from previous storms. charles, as we come back to our live shot in new orleans, we can see things relatively calm here, and we expect the storm to lose strength as it continues moving inland, however, remnants of the storm could cause problems later in the weekend in places as far east as georgia and the carolinas, back to you. charles: thank you very much. why some critics are warning we'll be putting up with putin and cyber attacks after president biden's powwow with the president. and what ceo's are saying, and

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>> president biden showed weakness on the international stage. the fact that president biden brought home no deliverables and results for the american people yet gave many policies away to russia, prior to the meeting. charles: president biden is facing some backlash after his overseas summit and sit-down with vladimir putin. he says he gave the president of russia 16 areas off limits to cyber attackers, and critics say everything should be off limits. and kristin, i've got to tell you, i'm not state department expert, i'm not foreign policy or cyber security expert, but i was scratching my head with that one. okay? it seems like you're saying attack everything else, but leave these things alone. >> right, charles and you can

bet fox news is not on the things not to attack. [laughter] >> the russians had to be laughing when they left after this. and unfortunately, it's even worse than it seems because it comes on the heels of biden basically having a red line that he crossed. sort of like obama. obama says there's a red line if you use chemical weapons in syria. then they used chemical weapons in syria and nothing happened. and biden sort of had that. the solar winds attack during the trump administration and the biden administration said seen and unseen and they thought for the first time they would retaliate in cyber space against the russians and they didn't apparently do it, if they did, it was so unseen they didn't see it and putin is looking at this man giving him this list. >> you go on google and what formed last year and whatever and maybe print it out and hand

it to him and discuss that. but during his press conference, vladimir putin says he and president biden consulted about those issues and that they had come to an agreement. now, he wasn't specific about that, but this complicates things even more, doesn't it, kristin, the idea that russia and the united states have some sort of agreement? >> right. and i mean, it does take two to tango. frankly, putin didn't seem to have any regrets or remorse over attacks attributed to russia. he was very artful, as he often is, in his press conferences about turning things back on the ideas when asked about cyber attacks, he says well, most cyber attacks originate from the united states and canada. charles: right. >> i'm not sure where he's getting that. interesting factoid, russian and chinese hackers often times use american servers, and then you still have to deal with the

fbi and secret service, but a work-around there. charles: and christian, we're getting a conflicting information, with regard to american businesses. it seems to me that the administration keeps saying to businesses this is your problem like you have to address this, you have to make sure that you have a certain amount of security. there's no doubt that businesses have to step up to the plate. isn't there a large role for the federal government in a, making sure we're protected and b, making sure there's a deterrent? >> exactly. you have to have an offense and a defense. the biden administration issued an executive order, not bad requiring government agencies to do things they should have done long ago and second factor authentication and encryption, zero trust design of software and creates a grading system and it could increase the cost of software and regulation of software in our history, but it might be time for that. if you're doing that, if you're

incurring the cost, china, russian, north korea, others, there has to be some sort of deterrent. charles: what happens after the next attack we know comes from russia, out of russia? >> that's -- that will be the great question. we really don't know what our capabilities are. people talk about cyber command and the military has historically been very good. our high-tech military. certainly the r united states and israel did a number on iranian capabilities in the obama administration and israel recently did it on their own against iran and their nuclear program. can we do that against russians? there's a problem if they hit a hospital we're not going to hit a hospital in response. we'll target presumably russian government assets probably much more hardened against attack than are hospitals, than are fuel pipeline, name your company. charles: i'm not sure how much of a public spectacle we need to make of it. whatever we do we should all be

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>> more employers pushing employees back to the office and morgan stanley telling workers if you can go to a restaurant in new york city, well, you can come back to the office as well. this as 73% of workers say they're anxious about returning. so will these tactics bring employees back? i want to bring back a former dallas fed advisor, ceo daniel martino group and david bohnson, david, do you think it's going to work? . >> i do. look, this is an interesting issue. it's one i've been harping on for a year, charles. i wrote an op-ed in the new york post last summer begging people to get back to the office. and my argument because i

wanted to support the infrastructure of the city, these coffee shops, deli workers, restaurants, service workers. we hear so much talk, especially generally from democrats and social justice lawyers how much they care about the little guy and i never saw people care about the little guy less than i did during covid. i want people back to work. i'm a former managing director at morgan stanley and i like what they had to say, you don't like it, go find another job. their ability to collaborate is very important. i want people going back to the office. charles: although, danielle, everyone says there's a new normal, at the least, a hybrid that, you know, almost no business will be able to get people in every single day. some will be lucky to get them in at all. what do you think? >> you know what, charles, i think it depends on the company. we forget prior to covid a lot of high-tech firms had already

moved toward a hybrid system and a lot of high-tech firms have employees working from home, but i'm not so sure whether or not managers need to be burdened with figuring out a hybrid system. we've started to see some feedback, recent stories. listen to anecdotes, this hybrid thing may be more work than it's worth. when did we get to demand effectively four day weekends. that's what you're talking about about. again, certain companies and certain cultures lend themselves well to people being productive wherever they are, that's fine. and they can stick to those models, but the last time i checked in a democracy and with capitalism, it's the employers who have the say as to where their employees work, so given that these are private entities, i think they've got all the right in the world to take the stance that they have and i completely agree with david as well. this is yet another nail in the coffin of small businesses in

america that have been basically abandoned in the city centers. we need them back. charles: you know, david, i hike where-- i like where you're coming from and the hypocrisy, if can go out and about in the city, and covid. with productivity, seems like a euphemism, we can do more with less. so if you're going to push the issue not going back to the office make it a point where they don't need you to come back to the office. >> oh, i very much agree. i'd be really careful if i wanted these people to feel safe going out every night and putting instagram, but doesn't feel safe going to the office and all of a sudden the company is flourishing without them at the office. i think that's a very difficult play on job security. the reality is, charles, danielle is right. every company is a bit different. even tech companies, can i point out, the largest leases

found in new york city in covid by facebook, amazon, google. taking hundreds of thousands of square feet of office space in manhattan. i think at the end of the day it's an accountability thing. grown-ups put their pants on and go to work and that's the model that is served for many years. >> and also the opportunity. you've got to produce, you've got to collaborate and have human contact and it probably will help you climb the ladder in the company if you want to go into the office. >> well, it certainly will. we're not talking face time where you're cooped up in an office, that's absolutely right. in fact, jamie dimon says we lost business because we haven't interfaced in the office, because we haven't interfaced with our clients. to david's point, look, ask me these questions after labor day because so many employees right now that i would say were entitled, they're entitled

because they see the help wanted signs and they think they're in the driver's seat. wait until we replenish the work pool and these people that are getting paid. and then see how entitled the employees are when they face no income or getting into the office. charles: it's a wonderful thing for workers to have options about you they should season them to your point. david and danielle, thank you both very much. have a great weekend. to the federal juneteenth holiday. >> i love this part of new york city, we're at a block party kicking off, live music and a lot of food, a lot of celebrating and a big party. there are celebrations across the country right now. i want to take you to live pictures out of dallas. you can see hundreds of people

there are taking part in a juneteenth walk and also in atlanta centennial park, we're expecting a big music festival and black history parade to start at noon in los angeles, a lot of block parties and the pacific park ferris wheel will honor the holiday with a light display tonight. president biden signed the law making juneteenth the national federal holiday, the first since martin luther king, jr. day four decades ago. it's known as jubilee day or liberation day, that black folks in texas finally learned they were free two years after emancipation and for so many out here in harlem recognizing this day at this national level, has been a long time coming. >> juneteenth is a way for us to say, hey, you know, black people, you do matter. you're here. we acknowledge everything that you're doing, we see the culture, we see the roles that

you've played in history. we see the roles you've played in pop culture and this is your day. >> and charles, as you know, congress overwhelmingly passed this bill to make juneteenth a public policy. 14 republicans pushed back, the holiday, the name, especially juneteenth might divide a country the name includes the word independence day. the other events happening in new york city include a broadway event down in times square. it's going to include a 90-minute musical performance featuring cast members from different shows like "phantom of the opera" and the tina turner musical. so today, really a big day of celebration and people are full of joy and thankful this day has finally come, charles. charles: all right.

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>> covid still causing concern as we emerge from the pandemic. a former biden advisor now warning that the new delta variant is covid on steroids and some people vaccinated are getting covid even months afterwards. my next guest is a los angeles based radiologist. how shocked were you, doctor, you discovered maybe not too long after getting the vaccination, you were tested positive? >> i was very surprised. you know, i didn't think it was covid, to be frank.

initially i had low grade fevers and general sense of malaise and i assumed maybe it was another cold virus that lay dormant during the pandemic, resurfacing with the flu and i decided to get tested and to my surprise it came out positive. >> do you know was this the delta variant? >> i do not know, but to be honest that's the first thing that came to my mind, is this the delta variant given it's the-- coverage it's been getting in the media. it's also possible that there's been some decrease or deteriorating in my immunity. it's been six months since i got the vaccine and it's not clear how long-- how good the vaccine is in terms of providing immunity, or obviously could be a combination of both. charles: well, we saw in the u.k. where some of the restrictions were extended because of the rise of the variants.

i guess viruses mutate all the time so the medical industry is bracing for this, but do you think it could evolve into an initial where we're talking like mass lockdowns again? >> well, i think the presence is more critical that we achieve vaccination at quicker rates. the more the virus spreads, the more opportunities we give it to mutate and so, it's critical that as a country that we all get vaccinated so that the variants don't become more serious issues as it has been in other countries. charles: now, what about the role of booster shots. is that something that you think and advise and we should be thinking about? >> yes, this is something here to stay. we're going to have to deal with this on an annual basis, like the flu.

when i came down with covid, i was wondering what if i had gotten another vaccine, different from the pfizer vaccine that i got. i was wondering had i gotten the j&j on top of the pfizer would that have added extra protection. i think those are questions that are being asked right now. charles: i was going to say, these are tough stes questions and we've got to ask them and answer them. no one wants to go back to where we were, but we have seen maybe the vaccination program was so successful that it tailed off a lot faster than a lot of people wanted it to, a lot of people thought it would. again, i'll let you finish what you were going to say about the booster shots. what should be done to getting the vaccination rates moving higher again? >> i mean, there are still a lot of communities out there that are very vaccine hesitant and i think that it's a matter of doing what we can to get the

word out and the fact that hey, if you get vaccinated, in the event you do have covid your symptoms will be a lot more mild and i think as long as we are able to maintain some level of public confidence, then hopefully the vaccination rates will continue to move in the right direction. and-- >> i don't think that-- >> once you've gotten the vaccination, if you're still vulnerable to the covid, a lot of people are going to circle back and say, doc, why should we get the vaccination in the first place. >> well, in my case, it's rare. the so-called breakthrough cases are not common, but i think people should be aware, should be to the fact that even if you're vaccinated, there's a small risk of becoming symptomatic with covid, as happened to me.

so i think the take home message even if you're vaccinated and you develop symptoms it's probably more likely to be covid than not at this time. so you would do society a service by getting tested and quarantining if it comes back positive. but initially, yeah. charles: dr. choi, thank you very much, appreciate it and glad you're healthy now. didn't get your dad gift yet, folks? well, you might not need to after this. if you're 55 and up, t-mobile has plans built just for you. switch now and get 2 unlimited lines and 2 free smartphones. and now get netflix on us. it's all included with 2 lines for only $70 bucks! only at t-mobile. keeping your oyster business growing has you swamped. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job, you immediately get your shortlist of quality candidates, whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. visit indeed.com/hire and get started today.

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union president brian arnold. $80 billion is a request to get an army of tax agents out there. brandon, i'm honestly concerned about that. >> yeah, i am, too. it's $80 billion, but that's not all. it's 87,000 new irs agents and as you mentioned, it's broad sweeping new powers, banks are going to have to report information to the irs. your private information about how you're spending your money. the goal is to crack down, they say, on the wealthy and corporations, but it's going to hit every taxpayer. it's going to hit individual taxpayers. it's going to hit small and independent businesses at a time when we can't trust the irs anymore, they've once again proven there are people there that are operating in a political fashion not doing their job like they're supposed to. charles: i'm going to get to you on that, however they got this information, but something you said about attacking billionaires, right? the facade is always, help us

go after jeff bezos, you know, empower us, a tax, whatever it is and yet, everything i'm seeing they want to -- if you do a transaction over $10 grand a light goes off and they delve into your personal business and they want to do it with bitcoin and everybody else and that's not billionaires. >> that's right. when they're on the political stump they talk about billionaires and big corporations, but if you look at the plan biden introduced to increase funding at the irs nearly doubling the size of the agency, the most money they find to close the tax gap is small and independent businesses underreporting their earnings or things like the child tax credit or the american opportunity tax credit that helps middle income and lower income americans send their kids to school. there are high reporting problems, high error rates in these programs. is that who we're going to

crack down with the 87,000 new irs agents? i sure hope not. we need to fix the problems that are auditing single working mothers trying to send their kids to school i don't think is a great source of taxpayer resources. charles: i have a theory on this pro publica thing. in 1969 washington post wrote an article of americans made over $200,000 and didn't pay tax. congress passed the law, nixon signed it. all alternative minimum tax and i'm afraid it's done deliberately to stoke more anger to go after the rich folks who ain't paying no money and it's going to be smaller individuals who are going to pay the price. >> i think you're absolutely right. this was an intent to build a support for ideas like biden's to raise taxes like warren's,

to adopt a wealth tax. the notion that the rich don't pay taxes, is a powerful one, and it's not true. we can find instances that people are paying taxes and you, me and everyone. but the fact is the rich are paying their taxes by and large make 21% of the total income in this country and yet, they pay about 40% of all taxes so they're paying their taxes. we have a progressive tax system in this country more so than other countries, but a few anecdotes are more powerful than the statistics we can dig up out there. we'll see how this plays in the political arena and hopeful it won't lead to a wealth tax on middle income folks or anybody. they have the numbers in congress right now, unfortunately. charles: sure, sure. let's say, hey, if you can find who leaked that information, then let's talk about making you a stronger, more robust agency.

first clean up in-house. brandon, thank you. appreciate it. father's day is around the corner. if you have not bought a gift yet, maybe you don't have to worry about it after all. find out why after the break.

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>> tomorrow is father's day. you know what that means. it's time to show some love to your dad for everything that he does for you. but a new report this week shows americans spend more on mother's day compared to father's day. now one possible reason why, well, according to the report conducted by lending tree, near six in 10 fathers prefer quality time with their family rather than an actual gift. here is fox news contributor and fox nation's host kat.

>> and i don't know, i think that dads-- i don't think they were being honest there. that's what i can tell, what, we want quality time, but want a gift too, what do you make of it? >> i guess we're not trusting the polls on this one, too. i read this and i thought it was a good thing, great, quality time with family, how nice, sounds great. looks good on paper, but i think some of the other interesting things in the report were millennials were actually the most generous of the generations, giving back to mom and dad, and i'm a millennial, we get crap from the baby boomers, we don't give appreciation to the older folks, but it's good to see. i love that people don't have to-- they don't need these type of physical material goods to enjoy the company of others and enjoy family time. charles: kat? >> all right, well, first of all, i think that flowers, for example, which you get your

mom, that's expensive. if you think of the stuff that moms want to do versus what dads want to do. mother's day, you go to brunch, go see people and in my experience at least with my dad and a lot of dads i know, what they want to do the most is nothing. my dad wants to stay home and, you know, put the grill on and all that and that's pretty much free. i think that generally, i think moms, my mom always made a bigger deal of it than my dad did, but i think that it's a lot. some of the things that moms like is just more expensive. charles: yeah, that's true, also. you know, and i think there's particularly, you know, in this hustle and bustle era we're in, a greater appreciation for that quality time. the only thing as a father and now a grandfather, gavin, when the family is around and a lot of people playing the video games and their attention, so i like them to be around me, but honestly, we're not doing a lot

together per se. >> you know, sometimes there's just happiness in numbers and you like to get out and see other people and i think a lot of times we haven't been doing that with families in the past year, there's a lot of separation. maybe that's the reason for quality time. i can't believe we're comparing father's day with mother's day. we all know it's birthing people's day so we've got to keep up with the times here. charles: all right. kat, there is something to that though, right? i do believe that at least for the near term we'll be in each other's company. and i sleep better when the family is sleeping safe at the house and i feel much more relaxed and serene. >> yeah, i wonder if it was people who had older kids versus fathers with younger kids. i think fathers with you think whier kids had a lot of quality

time with their kid the past year, maybe too much, almost. you can always have a too much of a good thing when you're locked in the house with the same group of people and i think it's dads that couldn't see their kids or live with them in the pandemic. charles: i tell you what, we have a minute to go and i hope the issue of family continues to resonate. i think it's probably one of the bigger political economic issues happening in this nation. we should look around the world. china just increased their one child policy to two, pretty soon it will be three, we don't understand how important it is, on, gavin, i hope it's not the old person in me saying you kids get off my lawn. what do you think? >> charles, you're right, families form the backbone of our society and we need to encourage people to start more families. charles: we've got to leave it there. a little breaking news,

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