it's hot across the west all the way into alaska. the moose will take a dip. that's what you do if you have a pool. >> bill: no dummy. >> dana: he doesn't have to wait for anybody. >> bill: that's what you do if you have a pool. >> dana: we'll have more supreme court decisions tomorrow and that will be a big day. lots of things to come later on on fox news. here is harris. >> harris: president biden in democrat-led cities. you are in "the faulkner focus". the president is set to unveil his strategy on public safety focusing on stemming the flow of guns and holding rogue firearms dealers accountable. however, critics point out that the plan does not reference the rioting and looting which is plaguing cities over the past year or the consequences of the left's push to defund police. peter doocy pressing the white

house on their crime-fighting strategy. >> what does the president think is a deterrent to committing a crime? >> there has been an increase in violent crime over the last 18 months, not just the last few months. there is an initial set of actions the president has announced to date to address gun violence. back in april. we believe a central driver of violence is gun violence and the use of guns. we are seeing it in a lot of areas. we need to insure state and local governments keep cops on the beat. supporting community policing. >> harris: "washington post" with this dire headline warning as homicides sore nationwide mayors see few options for regaining control. three democrat mayors not optimistic. the mayor of savannah said this. we have done almost all we can do. austin texas mayor says the tools for fighting back are limited without state and federal help. and cleveland's mayor with this

warning. it is going to get worse. in chicago alone there were 38 shootings last weekend. eight people killed, 54 victims in all. despite all of this, mayor lori lightfoot there is boasting that chicago is seeing a decline in crime there. mike tobin is live with the facts on the ground in chicago. mike. >> you know, harris, since the last time we were on the air in the 9:00 a.m. eastern hour four people have been shot in the city of chicago. one particular shooting on the south side, three people were hit in the same incident. one person killed, one person critical condition, one person is in stable condition. but the shooting that has really got the attention of everyone in the city and the nation because the savagery of the gun violence is caught on video happened over the weekend in a neighborhood called humboldt park during the puerto rican pride celebration. the young man covers the woman

with his body. he was shot in the head and she was shot in the neck. she lost her struggle to live yesterday. they were a couple. friends say they met at a party. fell in love and had a couple of kids together. lori lightfoot says no resources will be spared to capture the gunman on that video or the mob with him. she also says the crime numbers are down for chicago. >> we are seeing a downward trajectory where other cities are continuing to see a climb. i'm the first to tell you that's cold comfort for the single person shot or killed. >> she is comparing the numbers from june to the very violent june we saw last year. so for that time frame the violent crime numbers are down but if you look at year-to-date the violent crime numbers are up. if you look at the people living on the west side and south side the gunfire is a part of every night. >> harris: every night.

mike tobin, thank you. a "new york times" columnist is warning the crime issue could sink democrats. tom friedman with an op-ed entitled want to get trump reelected? dismantle the police. the political implications are very real. montana's cascade county sheriff says he is leaving the democratic party and will run as a republican in 2022. that sheriff says democratic leadership has become too radical. >> twice in public meetings democrat elected officials have tried to censor my words and opinions because they did not agree with me. it is my duty to serve all people of cascade county regardless of your political beliefs. to do this effectively, i have to know that i have the support of the party i have aligned myself with. i hope i can count on your support as i move my name to the republican ticket. >> harris: we welcome to "the

faulkner focus" today sheriff jesse slaughter. thank you for being with me. sheriff, you are jumping ship from the democratic party. why now? >> thank you for having me, harris. i think the answer is simple. i never left the democratic party. they left me. their policies, their radical defund law enforcement and now in my county we have elected officials and candidates aligning themselves with antifa. and we have a relatively safe community. we have -- we're not suffering from what chicago and my partners in the northwest are suffering with but we don't want to go there, either. >> harris: what are officers and deputies telling you? i have to imagine that through the unions and through friendships and relationships that you all talk to each other across the country. while it may not touch you in montana you are aware of what's happening.

>> absolutely. we are absolutely aware of it. we have friends, we have family members who are working in the pacific northwest, seattle and portland. those areas are suffering horrific violence, anti-law enforcement everywhere. and the key thing that i think is important about that is they are leaving. they are leaving and coming to work for places like us and what about those poor citizens? what about the citizens that are left there? it seems like the democrat solution to everything is gun control. let's take the arms away from the citizens and then let's disrespect and defund law enforcement. somehow that is going to be the solution. what is their endgame? who will enforce the law? >> harris: such a great question. the president of the united states is going to focus on that very thing you talked about gun control today when he speaks. he may think it's part of the answer. you are saying as law enforcement it's not.

portland mayor ted wheeler announced his plan to reduce enforcement of low level traffic offenses. it is an interesting thing saying this will instead focus on enforcing traffic violation thaes are a direct threat to public safety and follow new consent search procedures that create more documentation and provide more information to people who are being asked for their consent to a search. what is your reaction to that? >> you know, as far as on that specific issue, i think that is unique to every different community requires different law enforcement angles. each community is different. i think it's important. the people govern us in this country, we don't govern them. we need to operate at the consent of our communities. for me to speak about what that mayor is doing is irresponsible. maybe that's what his community is telling him they need to do. in my community we expect our

criminals to be held accountable to maintain public safety. >> harris: sounds like they need that in portland, oregon. we have 75 days in a row last year of just flat out rioting and looting and those peaceful protestors didn't stand a chance with the insurgents among them. i want to get to this now. now it is like -- it's a battle. as you get ready to jump from one party to the next and run as a republican this is what awaits you as part of their argument. backlash to comments from former member of obama's 21st century policy task force britney cunningham. >> this rise in crime is not the fault of the movement. it is actually the fault of the police. why should we keep funding systems and institutions that keep rendering themselves ineffective? >> harris: there is more. the president of the police benevolent association of new york state troopers fired back with this.

>> this rhetoric that we are hearing, if it wasn't so sad it would be laughable. when you handcuff the police, when you slash their budgets, what do you expect? defund the police crowd are looking around shaking their heads pointing at us as the ones responsible when in fact it was their actions that brought us to this spot. >> harris: i want to get a quick reaction to you from what is unfolding in terms of this topic morale. and then i have some really heartbreaking video to show you right after that. first of all, what are your thoughts on where we are how people treat the police and think of you? >> i think this is a huge, huge mistake we are making across america is we think that people, the citizens of america want to defund the police. they do not. this is less than 1% of americans part of this movement. the problem is the democratic party is pushing the movement. the party is pushing it. i have friends and family

members and my in-laws, close family members who are democrat and they don't believe in this at all. this is we'll go back to that where we start looking at what the minority of america, very, very small percentage. when i say minority i mean by percentage versus the majority and what they want. and the majority of america does not want this. they don't believe in defunding the police. they know we need them. the fact of the matter is this, we are the citizens, the citizens are us. every day in my job the citizens of this county help me serve. in many capacities. i know they do it across america. >> harris: i want to say this and i don't mean to cut in. i have to let you go but look at this video for a moment in flint, michigan. police officer on the ground. you can't see his face is sobbing him in the center of the screen there unable to stand in anguish after shooting and killing a woman.

we aren't airing the audio because of the foul language that is spewed by witnesses. the flint, michigan police in a statement say they're investigating. the officer was working a traffic point for the juneteenth parade and was fired upon by the lone occupant of the vehicle. the police officer shot the suspect. the police officer wasn't injured nor bystanders. you put it so crisply, sheriff. we are you and you are us. we are in this together and if anybody has any doubts look at that man. he is destroyed there emotionally over what he had to do in his job. i want to get your reaction to that. >> yeah, harris. taking someone's life is never anything that we take lightly in law enforcement.

from having been myself throughout my career i can tell you it is not something that emotionally is easy to deal with or easy for people to understand. and that officer right there just realized that he basically made the ultimate sacrifice for his community and it is not an easy thing to do. we take it very, very, very seriously. and i just -- i hope that people pray for him and look out for him. that video brings me to one point i would like to make to the community, harris. i see these videos. i'm not asking to put themselves in danger, that's our job. we see the cell phone videos all the time. instead of videoing that, get out of your car and help that officer. give that officer a hug. they care about you just as much as you care about them. and i think that those things are important and we understand that. we see so much of the video and

it is easy to hide behind a camera. but we need your help. >> harris: you have humanized a situation that so many people are fighting over who may not be able to see it through your eyes and we appreciate your time. politically democrats better pay attention to what is happening. here in new york republicans changed their party affiliation in the primary to make sure that they got what they wanted and they knew democrats would win as next mayor. when you look at the break down of what happened. the former cop and republican is on top. we won't call it a trend but it is happening. thank you for your time. >> thank you, god bless. >> harris: god bless you. did joe biden inadvertently pay for his son's drug fueled night with a russian escort? the new text messages obtained from hunter biden's laptop and the latest on this.

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>> you are teaching children to hate others because of their

skin color and you are forcing them to lie about other kids' gender. i am disgusted by your bigotry. >> you could have made a difference. >> you could have found a solution. >> white children are being told that all the problems in this country were their fault. the morality and values of our founders are slipping from our fingers. >> you people are disgusting. [applause] >> shame on you, shame on you. shame on you. shame on you. shame on you. >> harris: you can see it for yourself. chaos at a school board meeting in loudon county last night. police eventually declared an unlawful assembly and arrested two people but parents are not

backing down. >> if anything, last night proved that this school board and in particular brenda sheridan have a real problem with the first amendment all the way from religious expression, freedom of conscience, to freedom of speech and expression. teach history in its full context and you can even speak to the impact of historical accuracy but don't teach indoctrination. >> harris: chief washington correspondent mike emanuel was at last night's meeting and he is live in virginia. >> it was a wild scene. disruptions, school board members walking out. 259 people signed up to speak to the school board. only 51 had an opportunity to express their views about the proposed transgender policy in public schools here. the disruptions leading to several arrests. a man telling the sheriffs

deputies they were restricting his first amendment right to speak. school board ending public comments early hit a nerve with some folks yelling shame on you frustrated they were not allowed to address the board. two issues now. one is parents expressing concern about teaching of critical race theory. some worry that curriculum change will divide children and teach them to see skin color. the other being the proposed transgender policy that led to teacher tanner cross being suspended after he expressed his religious views last month against the transgender policy. >> why is religious freedom being tramped under your watch and why is science and basic biology being ignored and why is the freedom of speech being condemned in schools? we live in the aountsz of america. our children are watching us and it is safe to say we're greatly failing them under your watch. >> school board chair called the disruptions politically

motivated antics. a vote on the transgender policy is expected in august. harris. >> harris: thanks so much. for more on this i want to bring in caitlyn jenner, republican candidate for governor of california and first transgender woman to run for governor. i mention the last part because i want to get your thoughts what is unfolding not just in loudon county but across the country with transgender policies as they begin to vote. >> i have been very outspoken on that. i believe we have to protect girls sports in school and high school. i think that's extremely important. there is more to the issue than that. and the olympic committee had the first transgender athlete that will be competing. but at the olympic level it is much -- there are rules and regulations for trans athletes to be able to compete. at the high school level there really isn't. and so we need to just continue

to look at that issue. >> harris: what about critical race theory? something you've been vocal on. >> i was just watching that and i feel for those parents. if i become governor, i will do everything to fight critical race theory being taught to our children. this generation coming up is probably the least racist generation, the most open minded generation in the history of our country, you know? we don't need to set them back and try to teach them racism. and so i am totally 100% against that. the reason i'm running for governor is because i'm standing up. i don't like what is happening in our state. it has been horrible, the decline of our state. i'm proud of those people there that are standing up and trying to make a difference. i encourage that. >> harris: i want to get to some of the news headlines. bumper sticker it for me. what is caitlyn jenner's

political brand. you don't have a political track record. we can't see how you would vote on policy. what's your brand? >> i am a total outsider, i agree with you and running as a republican in the bluest of blue states. but i go in there and i don't one special interest in sacramento one favor. i'm not the one who gave us the highest tax rates in the nation. i'm not the one who put 21.2.words of regulations on the people and businesses of california. they did that. i come in as an outsider. i consider myself a compassionate disrupter. i want to go in there and i want to shake the system up. we cannot continue to go down the road that we're going. we are losing the state. 18,000 companies have left the state of california and they are continuing to leave. >> harris: here is one of those issues as you step into the fray is on fire.

i want to turn to the crime that is surging in many of america's cities including several in your home state of california. los angeles homicides are up 127%. shootings up 58% year to year. what is your plan to make california safe? >> first of all, i live in los angeles county and our chief of the sheriff's department just lowered the standards for conceal carry. i saw the interview that he did. it was almost like he didn't want to do it but he said people have to protect themselves nowadays. our poor police force has been so demonized over the years. i support our law enforcement 100%. in fact, i go down the street and see a police officer and give them a thumbs up, shake their hand and say thank you for your service. i try to do everything i can and i support them. but crime, we have to stop what

we're doing right now. it is not working. >> harris: i had a sheriff from montana on moments ago much like we used to say as military children after the vietnam war, we were saying give dad a hug. my father who fought and he said give a cop a hug when you see them. they need it. >> my dad was in world war ii and landed at omaha beach and i'm running because of how that generation, the greatest generation stood up. i want to stand up, too. >> harris: i want to talk about the border. you have a wall in your state. i don't know if anybody has told the vice president. we can't get her to go to the border but illegal immigrants continuing to cross into border states now including california as the biden administration is giving a second chance to those who were denied asylum under president trump. meanwhile kamala harris as i said is 91 days as the border czar without visiting the border. your take.

>> as governor i would close our california border on use state funds to close the border. we have to have a control of our immigration system. and as you know just a couple of weeks ago the supreme court said in a 9-0 decision that anybody who comes into this country illegally under the taps program, the temporary protective status, they are not eligible for citizenship. they have to leave the country and come in the right way. if anybody is in the state of california and they are here illegally and get arrested they are gone. out with the bad, but there is a lot of great immigrants in southern california, great people. i know so many of them. that are here legally. some maybe not but they've been here for so long. they are a vibrant part of our economy. they are a vibrant part of our

state. they need to get legal protection to be able to stay. >> harris: you are for amnesty? >> in those cases yes. if they've been here and they've been good citizens i want them to stay. >> harris: governors are held to a different standard. could that person be president? we're focused many of them are democrats. andrew cuomo in new york and the multiple investigations and gavin newsom in your state. what would americans say about caitlyn jenner in terms of presidential acumen. >> i'm a proud republican but an inclusive one. i think that's what the republican party is missing. i have conservative economic values that worked throughout history. less taxes and regulations work. on the social side i'm

inclusive to everybody. i don't want to be put in the box of you are a republican. i'm on the outside. i want the republican party to come to me. we need to be more inclusive to everybody and that's what i'm running on. >> harris: we'll see how it all turns out. >> it's been fun. >> harris: you say you can fix your state. they have high expectations for you. >> it has been fun. >> harris: great to see you. republicans are using the filibuster that most but not all democrats want to blow up. jason chaffetz will weigh in and the pop star britney spears preparing to make her first public comments in court on a conservatorship that has stripped her of financial independence. we'll go live to the latest in los angeles. stay close.

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>> this was a victory for the angels. this bill wouldn't make it easier to vote. it would make it easier to vote illegally. this is the corrupt politicians act and i'm glad we defeated it. >> harris: gop senators blocking the democrats election overhaul. the vote was 50/50 not meeting the threshold to move forward. chuck schumer is already eyeing his party's next steps on the issue. >> for the first time in this congress we got all 50 democrats unified behind moving forward on a strong and comprehensive voting rights bill and make no mistake about it, it will not be the last time that voting rights comes up for debate in the senate. republicans may want to avoid

the topic, hoping that their party's efforts to suppress votes and defend the big lie will go unnoticed. democrats will not allow that. democrats will never let this voter suppression be swept under the rug. >> harris: new york congresswoman ocasio-cortez went after the filibuster tweeting call me radical but i do not believe a minority of senators should be able to block voting rights for millions of people but i guess i'm just from the far left school of thought that legislation should pass when a majority of legislators vote for it. jason chaffetz fox news contributor. what do you say to aoc? >> she doesn't understand the united states senate. you need to get to 60. chuck schumer said he got to 50. the promise of joe biden and the democrats is that he was going to be able to unite the country and work across the aisle. there was no effort to do that. >> harris: what happened? >> it's very shallow of --

chuck schumer knew it wasn't going the pass. it is fundamentally a bad bill. it is for the democrats bill, not a voting rights bill. it inhibits things. we could go through that in great detail. an hour's worth of stuff on what's wrong with it. if chuck schumer wanted to debate and have the issue he should have had it go to the senate judiciary committee so there could be amendments and discussion. he didn't do that. he brought it right to the floor. he knows it's a message bill. not a serious piece of legislation with any chance of garnering bipartisan support. >> harris: the filibuster, does it live or die? >> it continues on. hats off to -- it comes up when republicans are in the majority. some say they want to get rid of it. there are people that are -- >> harris: that's part of the threat. senator warren and others if you don't do it now the republicans are just going to

do it next. i will get to this. msnbc guest compared the gop that blocked the bill to this. watch. >> this is a holdover from really the time of enslavement. this is not a democracy, this is a minority that is controlling this and, you know, at the risk of making a controversial metaphor, we know what minority rule is. there is a term for minority rule, apartheid. we fought against that as well. >> harris: what is he talking about? >> that is so shameful to try to inject some horrific things that have happened in our world and trying to compare that to the idea that republicans want voter integrity is nowhere near apartheid or slavery or some of these other things they try to invoke to further divide the

country. that is just demeaning, there is no place for it and he is fundamentally wrong and it is just disgusting. it doesn't actually move the ball forward. >> harris: jason, thank you for coming in focus today. good to see you. >> thanks, harris. >> harris: britney spears is set to address an open court for the first time and expected to request her father be removed from his role managing the conservatorship that controls her life and fortune. it comes as "the new york times" is reporting that spears has been trying to end that for years calling it an oppressive and controlling tool against her. mercedes colwin is a fox news legal analyst and defense attorney. great to see you. exactly what is going on for her that she is trying to shake with her dad? >> great to see you, harris. it really is long in coming. it has been a 13-year process

leading almost to 14 years since she had this breakdown. there has been a lot of conflicting messages. jamie spears counsel said britney never sought to remove me. there is evidence being reported that she has been trying remove for years. $900,000 in legal fees where he opposed efforts on britney's part. finally we get to hear her own words under oath telling the judge what everyone seems to believe is that she can take care of herself, which is part of the conservatorship and that she can take care of her finances. we have never seen, there hasn't been reported an individual subject to a conservatorship this successful. she has had her las vegas residency and perfume deals and record deals. she was even a judge in the x-factor. this is someone who has been supremely successful to the tune that is really pretty historical when you look at

other individuals subject to this type of control. so frankly she is just seeking her freedom at this point. >> harris: does he get a piece of all of it? does that go on imper pe taou tee if she doesn't want e walk away from this now and can't shake dad? >> well, that's part of the reason i'm sure. there is conjecture now. part of the reason she doesn't want to perform because everything she does there is a piece of it that goes to her father as the conservator. so there is a financial incentive that's built into the mix. >> harris: look, britney spears grew up before millions of eyes. every mistake she had and success she had was viewed and judged. however, she is a mom, she is a lot of things now. is there like an age in which it would expire? i'm just curious. what would a judge look at and say these are the boxes to check and you are out to the

dad? >> great question. it really is going to be the circumstances. look at what she has been able to do professionally and day-to-day care. how much control does she have in the day-to-day care of herself she is able to demonstrate to the judge she is able to do it on her own without the extreme oversight. what is her relationship with her children? a great point you raise about the fact she is a mom. for all intents and purposes seems to have a healthy relationship with her children. so when you put that all together the judge has to determine two things. one, can this individual take care of themselves, day-to-day basic needs and two, do they have enough to control their finances? now there has been reports that britney spears likes the conservator steps in when her father was ill jody montgomery. maybe some sort of splitting the baby. jody montgomery can step in and help with the finances and give

britney her freedom back with respect to her day-to-day living. >> harris: i don't know what her father does for a living. the income will be cut off and make that relationship very interesting. mercedes colwin, thank you for giving us the back story on all this. former democratic senator al franken is attempting a comeback. he resigned after multiple sexual misconduct allegations and is hitting the road now. disturbing new questions over hunter biden's infamous laptop. did joe biden inadvertently pay for hunter's drug-filled night with a russian escort? we'll ask jimmy failla to get into that. mutual's coverage customizer tool? sorry? well, since you asked. it finds discounts and policy recommendations, so you only pay for what you need.

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former secret service agent the morning after that wild night. one reads h, i'm in the lobby, come down. five minutes later he texts hunter again. come on, h, this is linked to celtics account. dc is calling me every 10. let me up or come down. i can't help you. don't let me h. celtics by the way was joe biden's secret service code name when he was vice president. the former agent's lawyer denied it took place. questions over the ethics of hunter's big dollar anonymous art sales and ties to a foreign business not severed. that tie with the business that's in china. jimmy failla host of fox across america on fox news radio. jimmie, hunter biden is something we call in politics i know from covering it for decades now trouble. a problem. a hot wire, unpredictable.

a cannon waiting to go off. an explosive device politically. >> which is people write about my show. this is an insane story. you do have to give joe biden credit on some scale like i couldn't get my dad to buy me a ford escort let alone a human one. and i'm so sick of this story that we're supposed to lay off because he is someone's dysfunctional son. so am i and people still come after me. the real problem is here, harris. everyone on the left needs to know this, too. this is where the media is failing america, okay? if this were a trump kid the world would be on fire and the world should be on fire because we have the appearance here of some type of high-level corruption or malfeasance that his dad seems to have known about at the very least and the media's job is to hold people in power accountable. there is no interest in doing that because it's a democrat. that's the sad reality. no one is better off in the

people in power go unchecked. journalism in the country is dead and buried and mainstream media should be charged with negligent homicide. >> harris: i don't know if my team can put the next message back up. d.c. is calling me every 10. this is linked to celtic's account. that's a lot of information for somebody. he knew the secret code name. a lot of time those things are public. he knew enough to know one thing was linked to the other. his name with an account. this is trouble. this is problematic when you are in politics. these are things you can't answer for quickly at the lectern in a press conference. >> no question. understand again we're talking about this and saying if in fact it's true, if this were a trump it would be emphatically declared true. hunter biden, harris, to me he really is the reason, his behavior, that joe biden chose not to run against hillary in

2016. you know her opposition research would have got stuff like this out here and you know the media would have covered it. like he is very lucky in this instance. if you notice they aren't denying. it is true. she would have got it out there. the media would have done the heavy lifting and we couldn't have swept it under the rug. what the bidens do now going back a week when he was texting racial slurs. they don't deny it. they trust the media to be complicit in letting it wash back out to sea. to everybody watching at home who might be hate watching because they're liberals. this isn't good for you, either. this is our government. if they're doing corrupt stuff or compromised, we do need to know. getting past the politics could somebody in the media just do their job? >> harris: it's a great question and you are right. the reason we would care about this story if somebody could be compromised. it's why you don't take money or really want a relationship with a foreign country and

china. forget about your dad said you wouldn't have one. that's why. you are compromised potentially. former minnesota democratic senator al franken he will launch a 15 date comedy tour this september. he attempted a career comeback with this after being forced to resign from the senate in 2018 amid sexual misconduct allegations at the outset of the me too moment. as that was coming on he was exiting and now he wants back. >> listen, on some level after spending all that time in government i understand why he would want to get back into the comedy industry. one, it is filled with clowns that nobody takes seriously. the other is comedy, you know? al frank en is so mad that he resigned given what he did. it wasn't right. i'm not defending it on any level. but knowing how many people in the post me too era have been able to hold onto jobs like andrew cuomo for being accused of far worse than taking a

photo with a woman. i get him out there to rehabilitate his image. the women going to the show don't go backstage for the photo op. >> harris: jimmy failla, i'm going to let you go. >> it's for the best. >> harris: good to see you. thank you for watching "the faulkner focus". "outnumbered" is right after the commercial break. and so has your equity. turn it into cash now, while mortgage rates are near all time lows. the newday 100 va cash out loan lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value. you could take out more than $50,000. use it to improve your home. pay off high rate debt. pay for big expenses. or put it in the bank for real peace of mind. now's the time to use your va home loan benefit to get cash before mortgage rates begin to rise. call now.

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