♪ ♪ >> sean: programming reminder this wednesday 9:00 eastern, six pacific, spanning 20 with former president donald trump. texas governor greg abbott. live from the texas-mexico border. all the time we have. please set your dvr and let not your heart be troubled. ben domenech filling in for the vacationing laura. you're right. i'm been domenech and this -- tonight we start with the failures of the country's top general. we would be forgiven if you thought general mark milley and senior leadership was to break his own army.

and the country has. general milley's reputation of are include episodes of profoun generally's record of achievements include episodes of profound blundering of the dangerous willingness to put aside the army of the united states to list just a few, presided over the disastrous role of the army combat fitness test, a misguided, unrealistic effort to compel the army to do crosswords. he ignored numerous voices in the army, those voices were syndicated today the cft the byword for leadership myopia. general millie tried to stonewall the army's report on its performance and iraq war running interference to keep their mistakes from being aired in public religion only after public pressure that never should have been necessary, he

presided over a historic recruiting crisis and for the armed forces at large, he did break back second world war style uniforms which was a reminder of when the army could win a major war. speaking of winning general millie's record will include presiding over america's defeat in afghanistan culminating in the fall of kabul to the telegram. our national failures in afghanistan extend across two decades, his voice is absent from the public square. you would expect the general to do that. the major force undermining constitutional authority of the president of the united states during the in connection every summer of 2020. while american cities were on fire in the grip of a violent uprising with body count and pervasive fear millie assume for himself the role of preventing the president from using his lawful authority to bring peace and order to our communities, made it his mission to deny the american people the lawful and constitutional aid of their own armed forces. it was millie who apologize for. with the president following the

infamous clearance in lafayette square despite the fact revealed earlier this month the clearance was preplanned and not the president's doing. >> i should not have been there. my presence in that moment in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics. as a commissioned uniformed officer, it was a mistake that i have learned from and i sincerely hope we all can learn from it. >> generally defended the slow, erratic and uncertain national guard response to the january 6th overrunning of the us a superfast, earning the justified speaker of the house and i who bothered to watch television at the time but who are you going to believe? the chairman of the joint chiefs or you're relying eyes? that is the public record of general market millie. in a organization of the federal government anything i of these steps would have sent him out the door. instead, like every other dc

creature the latter leads only upward so long as you stay in the good graces of the right people. don't misunderstand me. mark millie isn't even slightly unusual in this sphere. our armed forces are brave patriots but once you get the first star on things change and it becomes about subjective politics, not empirical outcomes. when your next job and next promotion depend on a vote of the united states senate their priorities become your own and start a reasonable senator more and more and the general less and less. the past mark millie for a moment, look at the disaster of inner for spending billions on aircraft that still don't work. look at the disaster of the navy's accident-prone 7 fleet supposedly our first line of defense against an aggressive china, look at the men and women responsible, all the generals, all the admirals. mark millie is one of them. the crisis of our armed forces is in the fact that he is ordinary. >> 50 books on my reading list,

looking inwardly and being honest with ourselves in areas we need to improve. i have read mousy tone, karl marx, lenin, that doesn't make me a communist. putting china and russia up there is not in conflict with the acknowledgment that climate change or infrastructure or education systems, national security has a broad angle to it. >> this is a group of leaders who are masters at media engagement and spending trillions in your taxpayer dollars, to get the appraisal useful media idiot after another his inclination is to claim anyone no matter how obvious it is they fail in many measure of success of their actual job. keep in mind these honda leader 7 won a war since february 20 eighth 1991. this story is as much about the failure of the united states military as an institution as it is about millie the man.

if we don't fight against it, it is what we deserve. in this case a series of aging politicians who can't win wars. we colin generals for retirement to serve during time of war but now they've become so political they hang around until pushed out usually in a swirl controversy and years past mandatory retirement. there is little difference between the brand of these generals and any other major brand that has declined in recent years desperate to distract you from their own failure they seize on something else, anything else to turn criticism of their performance into an act that indicates racism, bigotry, guilt on the part of any critical. that is how you end up with a person more focused on perceived domestic issues than preparing the american armed forces to contain, to determine if necessary to win a war with china. so when you look at general mark millie, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff put on his show

of indignation in the face of entirely justified civilian oversight as he did a few days back, in response to sharp congressional questions on whether the military has gone woke, just know that it is all for show. >> i find it offensive that we are accusing the united states military general officers of being, quote, woke or something else because we are studying some theories that are out there. >> what if i told you a flag officer of the united states army addressed the 2020 graduates in the national defense university with affirmation that america is guilty of centuries of injustice toward african-americans, that america is inflicted with an original sin in jamestown and our country features structural preferences, patterns of mistreatment and unspoken and unconscious bias, would you say that officer is woke? would you be offended at the term? would you acknowledge that this officer parroting the cat straight out of the pages of the

6019 project is voicing the exact ideology congressional question is a large? i don't have to ask you the hypothetical, those words are yours, that officer is you and this country and the brief men and women of every race, color and creed who serve in their defense deserve better. joining me now is j d fans, venture capitalists and author of hillbilly elegy. i know you've gotten into internet flak for pushing back against what you heard from generally recently, give me a reaction to what you heard and what it represents as a form of leadership in the us armed forces? >> so much to say but the most obvious thing is these people use accusations of white rage and white privilege to deflect from the fact they failed, general millie hasn't won a war in his entire time in military service, not because he served bravely but because the military

leadership has become political stooges for washington dc. i would like to hear less about white rage and more about not losing wars. ben: it is infuriating to me to see what you're describing go on time and again under both administrations, the obama and trump administration struggled with this, we've seen this happen over the course of years, these insulated dc operator generals who are not assessed on the measure we are to assist them by. what can be done to change that? it seems to be something that is now a permanent feature of what we deal with in washington? >> we could force the generals who have gone woke -- the president and his administration but think about what it would mean to tell people who are upset they are upset about the wars we are fighting or that we

haven't won a war, telling them to shut up. this activation of white rage is really about telling people who are justifiably angry about the additions of their own country to stop complaining, reflect on their privilege instead of voicing their concerns in our constitutional republic. biblically should step down or get fired or just go away because they are not doing their job, more than that, they are feeling to listen to the frustrations of the american public and instead effectively parroting the talking points of the left, telling them to shut up. >> you made a point that is so important about the message the sins to the communities across the country, many working-class communities and the like the you

essentially diminish everything they are complaining about into a form of racism, reject everything they are arguing for as being unacceptable and coming from a place of bigotry. to me that is a very dangerous message to send because if you don't have the same men going to be armed forces they could go in different directions that can be very negative and bad for the country and themselves. how do you prevent that from happening? the great marine corps commandant, the marine corps those two things, wins wars, so much military leadership doesn't appreciate the robust and powerful military can and should be doing those things, should be winning wars. our country benefits from a robust military, having young men and women going to the service, acquire skills and come out that if we are constantly pointing your finger at people and telling them they are white privilege, suffer from white rage, turns the military into

another woke institution, we tell a lot of people who could benefit from the military that they are not welcome. that's a disaster for this country to have so many americans feel they are not welcome in their own military. how to win the wars, the next generation of citizen standards if the military is no longer a respected institution in our country and it should be a respected institution in our country, people like mark millie keep sounding like idiots. ben: thank you for joining me, i look forward to seeing what unfolds. the scourge of critical race theory is most acutely felt in our schools, parents all over the country see the evils being perpetrated by activists school boards and teachers but how do you fight back outside pushing for things like more school choice? joining me now is national director of research, thank you for coming on. it seems we are at this point of

inflection on education, not just going on now but what has been going on for a long time. the normal list of answers for conservatives and pro-choice people, charter schools and vouchers, this is the point a much bigger demand for parents who are absolutely infuriated with what they see so what does that look like? >> there aren't any perfect solutions is a solution in front of us his school choice or what i call funding students directly and you would allow families to take their children's education

dollars to whatever educational institution aligns best with their values and another benefit is it provides bottom up accountability for the traditional schools to change their curriculums to align with families because they wouldn't want to lose education dollars going forward. it's not the answer you're looking for so i couple other approaches we can take, what is take back the school boards, families are fighting back and going to school board meetings and pushing back, a great move in the right direction to make their voices heard, they also need to get involved in scoreboard elections and one way to do that and to make it more fair for families is to align school board elections with general elections as opposed to rent a monster in a similar you get low turnout and the teachers union takes over and gets whatever they want into office or the school board so putting the school board elections with the general election will increase turnout and increase likelihood that conservatives will make their way into the school board. ben: i've seen all sorts of background information, pulling that illustrates across the country a massive and not even motivated by conservative or politically active parents the movement of opposition to what they view as teachers unions

that put their kids learning on the back burner during this past year and a half. what can be done to seize this opportunity to speak to a lot of people who haven't been politically engaged on these issues? >> to be engaged in school board meetings, families are doing across the country but the solution that family should have at the top of their list is school choice or what i call funding students, if you don't like what is going on in your classroom and feel your child is being indoctrinated or brainwashed you should ask for your children's education dollars back so you can go somewhere else right away and don't have to wait years for change to happen. that the best solution which family should have at the top of the list and what they should be asking for because you might not be in the majority and if we want to live in a pluralistic society we shouldn't force our views on the rest of the population in the public school system and instead let people go to the schools that work best

for them, then you won't have forced, you'll just have freedom. >> one of the biggest problems i have had during this whole thing was learning how protected so many of these teachers are for many consequences for their actions, that would get your average person in any other career fired in terms of so many instances of things we find happened over the past year. is there any way to have ramifications for teachers who have gone into a crazy direction and said some really heinous things about the children, their parents etc. the we've seen come out of social media and the like? >> the teachers unions are a cause of a lot of the problems here so you can have teachers opting out of teachers union which is been made easier since the 2018 supreme court decision but also school choice will provide bottom-up accountability for the public school teachers

to change how they engage with students in the classroom and there's some type of accountability built in that way. also transparency is important, pushing for bills that would require schools to show what they are teaching so that some might be the best disinfectant? >> the right to know what they are teaching children, thank you for coming on, such an important topic. as the crime wave vessel climbs democrats are revealing how much they really care about your safety, not at all, victor davis hanson pulls back the curtain on the left's latest gas lighting. kamala harris's borders didn't include a single mention of the out-of-control criminal activity on the border. more on that next.

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♪ ♪ >> ben: chicago is no stranger to violence, but the city is on track for one of its bloodiest years and decades. just this past weekend, there were six killed ben: chicago is no stranger to finance the city is on track force bloodiest year in decades. there were 6 killed and 74 wounded in shootings. one of the victims was a 14-year-old girl is a crime epidemic spread to times square where a tourist, active-duty us marine was hit by a stray bullet, the second shooting in times square in just months. to most americans it is obvious who to blame, democrats gutted their police department embraced blm, democrats conjured up new scapegoats for the rise in

crime. >> republicans are very good at staying on talking points of who says defund the police but the truth is they defund to the police. >> the american rescue plan, a lot of democrats who supported and voted for the bill could ensure local cops kept on the beat in communities across the country. didn't receive a single republican vote. ben: also blaming men and women in blue. >> officers we see across 18,000 police departments are but hurts because they can't run willy-nilly the police department and abuse with reckless abandon so they are stepping away from specialized units too cowardly to quit out right. bad guys no cops aren't responding. >> cops -- aoc thinks your

concern is the problem. >> we are seeing headlines about percentage increases. i want to say that any amount of harm is unacceptable and too much but i also want to make sure this hysteria doesn't drive hysteria and we look at these numbers in context. >> joining me as victor davis and, senior fellow at the hoover institution, seems to be some pretty shocking gas lighting to me. what do you think? >> you will know them by their fruit, they are on record. remember in the last few years of mayor rawlinson baltimore that says she gave rioters space to burn in that terrible summer last year, we had the mayor, i think his name was fry in minneapolis, after the torching of the police precinct, it is just brick and mortar and then the liberal mayor in seattle say it doesn't matter if they occupy, this is the summer of

love. whether it is the da los angeles county or san francisco county letting out people not willy-nilly but planned because they don't believe these crimes are crimes. anna nicole jones, the architect of the 1619 project saluting and theft wasn't violence, they don't believe these things are crimes. they can't blame the republicans because the data is not there and on record that their own party foundation won't let them. their own party doesn't think crime matters. these people are neo-marxist. it is sort of like 1 million people die. one person dies is a tragedy, 1 million people died as a statistic. crime is so out of control it is collateral damage to a more fair justice system. i don't think -- they are not going to deny it because their party will not let them deny it. >> a funny moment when the

democrats who know how much damage listed to their cause the last election were trying to be politically savvy, they are grasping at straws trying to find something to seize on that will allow them to spin this away, but they keep being shipped by the people on the left, no we really believe this crazy thing so they are caught in that bind. >> exactly right and that is the model they have for all these issues, they wanted an open border. 2 million people in a 12 month period will come unlawfully into the united states. olivia optics they are upset about. delighted at $4.50 gasoline, delighted racial tensions, only when the optics are such they don't pull 51% in the establishment says to the base wait a minute, we've got to hold onto power or you will be out of a job too so clean up your act and fake it a little better than you are doing but i don't think they can do it because it is not

just the big cities. in fresno county fresno's murder rate in the first 5 months was 325% above, it is everywhere. they created it, they own it and some people are happy, others are a little smarter and think the optics are bad. >> speaking of bad optics freshman congressman jamal bowman is a vocal proponent of defending the police. according to the new york post bowman, a champion of the funding cops who claims policing is rife with white supremacy asked for and received a special police detail to guard his yonkers home. over and over again we see this thing where it is police for me but not for thee. i'm the important one who needs to be protected, you, people lose your story and damage your property, that's just over the course of systemic racism, just a drop in the bucket. >> that the foundational tenet of progressivism, the architect of this chaos are never subject to the consequences of their ideology.

remember john kerry set i can't operate if i don't have a carbon spewing private jet, how can i get around? i got to move my yacht over to rhode island, i shouldn't have to pay taxes, that is the way they feel, they have to be helping the poor people like us. >> nancy pelosi saying i need my hair done. i have to go on tv. ben: speaking of rising crime kamala harris managed to travel to the border last weekend i mention the reference criminal activity. cartels, human traffickers are only able to operate with impunity because of the policies of this administrating, john, you made a good point that it is not appropriate to call kamala after the border visit because she didn't go to the border.

>> he didn't go to the border, she flew into the airport, went to a border patrol station, met with some immigration activists and went back foreign photo op and left without having seen anything, done anything or said anything of any consequence or substance whatsoever. ben: it was a typical kamala visit. >> less substance in mexico and guatemala. ben: i know you have been covering for many years the issue of how much the border operated for and by the mexican cartels. tell me what you have learned over the course of covering the story that most americans would still be shocked by at this day. >> we need to think about the border not as a place where gangs or smugglers can sneak across and are running smalltime operations in little inflatable rafts, the illegal immigration

at the southwest border has been industrialized. it is a massive black market that brings in billions of dollars for multinational, organizations and we talked about this before, the way to think of this is if halliburton was in the business of drugs and human trafficking. that is what is going on at the southwest border and you don't hear about it because the media doesn't want to talk about it. it is a hard story to cover and democrats in power don't want to draw attention to it. >> one thing that is so astounding his people stopped paying attention to the border for almost a 20 year period and didn't recognize the systems didn't used to exist now exist and are completely as you say industrialized. what are the levels we are seeing is what should we expect when it comes to the border over the coming months? >> the border will get more deadly in the coming months, it will get hotter, more people will die, get lost in the desert, get lost on the ranchlands in south texas.

we are seeing a hot june in texas and it will get much worse in july, august and september as it does every year. the volumes we are seeing is trending upward, usually other years comparable to this in terms of volume of apprehensions you start seeing a decline after the spring months but month over month we've seen increases and that tells me there is a huge pent-up demand to come into this country probably because of the pandemic and difficulties in central america and the other thing is the profit motive for these cartels and smuggling networks, they are making too much money to stop bringing people into the country, some estimate 14, $15 million a day at the southwest border and with that money on the table they will keep people coming through. ben: the way the media, the border crisis under the previous administration they seem to be

perfectly happy to be shut out of all these facilities unable to see what was going on with them today? any awareness of hypocrisy on their part? >> not at all but it is amazing, there's a total media blackout, we can see inside any of these facilities, there is no border right alongs, no access to border patrol agents, trump administration was very open about the border because it went to the american people to know what was going on even when things were bad in 2019, the biden administration blocked the border down and most corporate media team happy with it. ben: thank you for joining us. coming up signs of biden's decline bringing down the hammer, make a wish tells terminal kids they need to get vaccinated. raymond arroyo breaks it down in seen and unseen up next.

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♪ ♪ >> ben: time now for a "seen ben: time for seen and unseen where we expose the cultural stories of the day and we turned to raymond arroyo.

president biden had a meeting with the president of israel. how did that go? >> i don't want to prejudice this but tell me how you feel about those airstrikes in syria over the weekend. >> i directed last night's airstrikes to the iranian backed militia groups responsible for the attacks on us personnel in iraq. i want to be clear my team and i are working earlier this month. >> it would have been better to have his defense secretary for some fun read this, he is having difficulty. it makes you worry about who is running the show. then there's that gesture, the media barely covered this event,

the gesture we've seen before where biden rings his hands, people repeat when they are in decline gestures or phrases. i'm not here to diagnose but this is deeply troubling and getting worse. how do you feel about syrian airstrikes? ben: in addition to probably being illegal by any measure those might have been things that just got thrown around in certain areas? doesn't make me feel good, whatever he would say about it. >> it is heartbreaking, a part of it is heartbreaking but kim jong-il and's weight loss got more coverage in this is more grave, speaking of inappropriate gestures. american hammer thrower gwen barry staged a protest against the flag of the national anthem on saturday. when the flag was unveiled turned away at first, but her and honor her, rolled her eyes, then she threw activist athlete

shirt over her head. >> she said i feel it was a set up and they did it on purpose. how is it is set up to hear the national anthem after an olympic event? not seen what they typically do? >> this is the old point. bowl country is posted not just her. when you make a contract you make good on that contract, follow through. this will a contract, she wants to represent the united states and the olympics, this is her shot and when she gets there she disparages and protests against the country. it's not right then you for this. if professional athletes want to do this that is one thing. this is entirely different, it really is. as that you are representing the flag, the white house defendant gwen barry today. >> part of that pride in our country means recognizing there

are moments when we -- respecting the right people granted to them in the constitution to peacefully protest. >> they are not here to protest, they are here to perform. remember the goodwill games, ted turner the goodwill games, we should have the protest games, they can have the hundred yard cop chase, the long-distance molotov talks, we can do those things there but these olympic trials, not the place for protests. >> when it comes to performances like this it is obviously meant to take away from the fact that she came in third and make that appeal, you forget the fact that colin kaepernick ranked 30 fourth out of 32 quarterbacks. the sort of thing that goes away when you perform a thing like this. >> you got to get attention somehow, this is how they do it. the ceo and president of the make-a-wish foundation, richard davis, made an alarming

statement about post pandemic wishes late last week and it is really disturbing. >> any siblings need to be 2 weeks past completion of either a one dose or 2 dose vaccine. >> the vaccine is only approved for children over 12 years old. these are terminally ill children who in some cases cannot take the covid vaccine, to deny them their wishes they face eternity is not only cool, it is frankly absurd and cuts the reason for the make-a-wish foundation. >> the foundation is clarifying their stand saying we respect everyone's freedom of choice, make-a-wish will grant wishes for all eligible children, make-a-wish will not require anyone to get vaccinated to receive a wish. i'm glad they've reconsidered but whoever had this idea in the first place needs to get their had checked. >> that statement is a bit deceiving. when you read deeper you realize

they are saying everyone will be considered to receive a wish, however if you are not vaccinated there will be no flights, no large gatherings for you. that's cool since most of these kids want to go to disney world that is off the table for them, they can only do a local wish fulfillment. these families are traumatized, they know what risk is every day of their life, you let them embrace it and let these kids and families enjoy their time together, that is why this place exists and i make a wish for some great work in the past will reconsider this, it is a stupid policy. >> i agree with you, thank you for coming on. lockdown hysteria seems to be spreading faster than the 5% now it has reached our own shores, the ingraham ankle medicine cabinet reacts next.

♪ ♪ >> ben: the delta >> the delta variant reignited lockdown mania across the world, 70% of australia's population live under lockdown restrictions including residents of cities being forced into their homes, supermarkets put limits on toilet paper purchases. how bad is the outbreak? less than 200 active cases as of earlier today.

thailand and south africa are imposing shutdowns, japan and germany throwing up severe travel restrictions and now this should on history reached our shores, the los angeles to permit of public health is urging people regardless of vaccination status to mask up indoors. here is harvey rich, epidemiology professor at yale school of public health and doctor peter mccullough, cardiologist and epidemiologist. are we about to see a resurgence of lockdown policies in parts of this country? >> thanks for having me. i hope not. these lockdowns are completely unnecessary. it is an overreach, the delta variant, the mildest one we've seen so far and i would proportionally take a greater number of cases, it has very low mortality, is to be the most treatable string we've seen so far and we will keep patients

out of the hospital, very low risk of mortality. >> cnn wants you to believe the sky is falling because of this delta variant. >> not enough australians have been vaccinated for these lockdowns to become a thing of the past. >> africa a large part of the continent are being hammered by the delta variant. this pandemic is far from over. >> russia is witnessing a powerful third wave, restrict new government guidelines, workers in contact with the public will have to be vaccinated by law if they want to keep their jobs. >> our governments overreacting to rising cases from the delta variant? >> yes. this is a very mild variant, the cases are going to go up. they've gone up quite a bit in the uk whereas at the same time mortality is flat, near 0. very few hospitalizations, the cases are going up so basically,

the reactions of flu or bad cold for most people who get it. >> former fda commissioner scott gottlieb thinks future covid outbreaks will look like this. >> parts of the united states where we don't have a lot of vaccination and don't have a lot of prior infection those will be the more vulnerable parts of the country. it won't be as pervasive, we are going to see pockets of the country, it will be hyperregionalized but certain pockets with a dense outbreak. >> i'm concerned that we will see a situation where we have these rolling authoritarian responses to situations like this. what do you think of gottlieb's analysis? >> it is completely off base, june 20th, we have 45% of americans that are fully vaccinated but 70% of those over age 65, we know from june 18th uk briefing that 42% of patients have been vaccinated and from

the june 14th report we know a gradient from those under vaccinated to partially vaccinated the p value for interaction was not statistically significant meaning the vaccine has no protective against the delta very, no time to rush out and get the vaccine. we need to take prudent measures and treat our way through this next wave. >> the who head is blaming getting back to normal for the delta variant spread. >> the most transmissible of the variance identified so far. some countries, public health and social measures, we are seeing increases in transmission around the world. new variants are expected and will continue to be reported but can prevent the emergence of variance by preventing transmission. >> the who really in a position to give guidance like this,

given the recent history of spreading so much misinformation or information that is turned on further inspection to not hold up? >> they have it backwards, mostly a harmless virus that will give more immunity, we wanted to*we as possible, we want people to get immune, locking people up will postpone the inevitable and record misery of the population, there is no benefit of lockdowns at this point at all. >> senator ron johnson held oppressor featuring people who suffered adverse effects of the covid vaccine. take a listen. >> the head of my medical team told me i should get used to being handicapped. i'm so fearful that i may have some sort of neurological issue. >> was she not back to normal? she was totally fine before this. >> we been robbed of our cognitive abilities, physical

abilities. we cannot work. we cannot care for our families. >> these cases are rare but senator johnson is being labeled anti-fax for raising them is where your thoughts? >> i don't think they are rare at all and the silence is deafening, we are 6 months into the vaccine program and we've had no detailed press briefing on vaccine safety, 387,000 reports in hand by the cdc, they said nothing about them. we had 21,000 hospitalizations, 21% occur for individuals under age 50. >> thank you both for coming on. jen psaki has her finger on the pulse of middle america, the last bite explains.

i hated sticking my fingers, then i got the dexcom g6. i just glance at my phone, and there's my glucose number. wow. my a1c has dropped over 2 points to 7.2. that's a huge victory. ben: jen psaki detailed the latest plan to waste your hard-earned money. >> if you go to climate which is an area i think we're still going to do more work making sure people across the country who care deeply about addressing

our climate crisis no the components of what is in this package which the president considers a down payment, not the end, a down payment. 500,000 electric vehicle charging stations nationwide is what this would support. focusing on this advantage communities. >> that's all the time we have tonight. i'm been dominic in for laura ingraham. my interview the author of speechless, greg gutfeld next. todd: tuesday gentleman, one of the well-known tourist attractions flooded with police after a us marine shot on a sunday afternoon right in the middle of times square. new york is not the only city grappling with a crime crisis, the white house working overtime to blame republicans for taking cops off the streets. >> teams of engineers when rescuers on scene in surfside, florida hoping to pinpoint the cause of the catastrophic condo collapse as families look for answers in the search for thei