pete: oh my goodness! it is a work out! how much time to we have? 20 seconds. well. betty's bounces. fun stuff. have a good saturday and "fox and friends," see you tomorrow. neil: those guys are brave. two surges that will not quit. the virus and inflation. with inflation it doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or not, you're still getting hit and hit hard. look at whirlpool appliances or oreo cookies. unilever among many companies, the latest to signal that prices aren't only going up but

they will keep going up. alex hogan on the price hike the keep coming and mark meredith in delaware on why he says they will soon be ending, we are not quite at that point. let's get right to it with alex hogan on all these flights. >> reporter: everyday items cost a lot more with prices jumping, the issue is really at the forefront of consumers minds. 83% of people are concerned about inflation, gases up 40%. getting back in a plane will cost 20%, furniture up 10% and grocery store items like bacon up 8%. big-name companies admit they are passing these higher prices to consumers to deal with higher cost and higher wages during the labor shortage

acknowledging these spikes will likely continue to rise. federal reserve chairman jerome powell explaining help the inflation rate falls below 2% noting that june was 5.4, the increase is drastically higher than expected and there is no precedent for these numbers. the lumber industry saw prices soar during the pandemic which dropped for the first time this year. tuesday the cash market price falling to its lowest point in 2021 this week however 300 wildfires ripping to british columbia and the canadian province declaring a state of emergency, that move halting production at sawmills that could cause prices to spike again. we heard the federal reserve and many economists say the economic toll will correct itself in time but in a short-term a lot of higher prices, everything from energy bills to those beloved oreo cookies and a lot in between.

>> i think it would have to get $15 but who knows? thank you for that. i don't know where the president stands on oreo cookies but all of this will pass sooner than you think. mark meredith in wilmington, delaware. >> reporter: president biden insists the economy is on the right track. credits argue the white house is losing control of and flagrant -- inflation and america's post pandemic economic recovery. the unemployment rate sits just below 6% and this past week new government data showed the number of people applying for unemployment benefits in mid july was the highest level in two months, another jobs report in two weeks but the white house says these fears of inflation should be short-lived, expanded child tax credits, more money than ever

before, the president was campaigning in virginia last night, the gubernatorial race and made his case for economic reshuffling. >> trickle-down economies never work, that is where we are. >> reporter: supporting tax increases on wealthier americans to pay for such large increases in government spending, republicans smelling blood in the water arguing the funding of infrastructure and new social safety net programs could create economic disaster. >> whenever you dangle the federal dollar what that creates is the incentive to get more command and control over the lives and livelihoods, farmers and that is where the regulation will come. >> reporter: those attack from the president economic record

may have a effect on his approval rating. new survey shows his approval rating has fallen to 50%, 60 to drop from last month. neil: the markets are concerned about this, they have a funny way of showing it. all the major averages, the dow, the s&p, the nasdaq finishing at record highs is the markets advance as ice has continued to advance. to be a disconnect. this is a sign of robust economic activity. >> the pent-up demand is ready to be unleashed and it is being unleashed. with all of this inflation

which is based on so much demand and problems with the supply chain no one should be surprised where we are. as far as the markets go apparently they are not be leaving this inflation, and on top of that jerome powell is making it clear he's not keen on moving interest rates and until interest rates start to move in some direction i don't think we will see inflation pull back anytime soon. will: there is a method to the white house arguing if you think about it, we are seeing price surge because we are compared to an economy essentially at this time, any advance looks like a huge one but when we go to periods that reflects where we are now, it won't be as severe and the point to things like lumber prices, collapsing from the 40% surge.

this is indeed temporary. >> stocks reflect corporate earnings. you have to do something to corporate earnings and the stock market. massive inflation long-term and interest rates. as for the progressive economists who don't care about inflation, inflation on the middle class. it led to higher interest rates. markets keep going up.

here is where it gets sticky. four months from now if we have the same inflation scenario we have now it will have to raise rates. that will impact corporate earnings and lead to the stock market to go in the opposite direction and the economy will slow. to predict that is difficult. i think it will happen. i don't think this is temporary. the economy this time last year wasn't that bad, numbers just came out. two month of deep recession. neil: you are right. neil: it depends on consumers, out of the pandemic, spikes in

cases, how does that enter the picture? >> plenty of money to spend, a real head scratch of the president biden is saying we have to spend more money going in the right direction. we are throwing money at a problem that doesn't actually exists, a lot of the problem really lies with this labor shortage. what is incentivizing people to stay home doesn't provide motivation to get people back to work, it ironic that president biden is out there talking about wanting to help the little guy. you know he is killing? small businesses because they can't find people to work.

the federal government has got into competition with small businesses raising wages beyond where they should be and end result inflation and end result small businesses not being able to keep up. neil: thank you very much. we are focusing on inflation but at the border another surge. after this. when traders tell us how to make thinkorswim even better, we listen. ♪ ♪ because platforms this innovative, aren't just made for traders - they're made by them. thinkorswim trading. from td ameritrade.

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apprehended along the tucson sector. thank you for joining us. you have a bit of work on your hands. it is getting easier. >> political message from washington dc, the border is controlled, problem on the border, 5 months later, let me say this. 200,000 getaways, they got away so far and the state of arizona, 90,000 get aways from head 22 oh.

when they say it is under control these are historical highs. it is disingenuous to say they are on this border. neil: on the left or right, republican or democrat, i look at numbers and the numbers are startling and not getting better. if operation ignores the approach to this it doesn't make it easier. it makes it tougher. >> this is why i keep saying the fact the sheriffs in this country stands for public safety to community safety, and humanitarian, last week in my county my team was looking for five deceased bodies that were left behind, it happened every

day on the southwest border, the number that came to communities throughout the united states that is a public safety issue. we don't know who these people are. now imagine what is coming to the country. neil: you think it would be a time of year, so hot and oppressive that would ease up but if anything it is accelerating. what do you think of that. >> when you look at smuggling, on the southwest border, these common organizations of cartels, millions of dollars on this, we need to strengthen and prioritize the borders and secure but that message in washington dc.

it is only going to get worse. neil: i wish you had more backup. we will shine a spotlight on it. thanks for everything you do. please be safe. in the meantime, the protest continuing, it has been nonstop protests, they don't like these proof that you've been vaccinated or testing negative for the virus, the eiffel tower, restaurants without that. we asked doctor fauci if something like that should come here. you would be amazed. ♪♪ for as little as $5,

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neil: what is french for no? non-. the protesters are saying they had it with restrictions being put in place, the health passes where you have to prove you have been vaccinated or testing negative for covid before going into a museum or the eiffel tower or almost any restaurant, it has gotten that bad, those who have already been vaccinated, why am i doing this, why did i go to the trouble of doing this? monitoring it from atlanta, charles watson.

>> the proof of vaccination is a heated topic, france has another round of protests in the works today. contingent is president macron's legislation requiring health passes, proof of vaccination the negative tests before they go to a restaurant or bar, that ignited protests all over the country including paris where tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets many of whom say the government is forcing them to take a shot. back at home the us hasn't gone as far but there are a lot of cities as covert cases arise that are bringing back mask requirements and recommendations. the vaccination status, los angeles county taking similar measures, in philadelphia, they are strongly recommending a mask wearing.

>> to not have to wear a mask, >> easier to understand we will have to do this because it is traveling around the world. >> vaccination rates are among the lowest, a lot of governors urging people to get out there and get a vaccine. those who were unvaccinated say they are the reason they are seeing a rise in covert cases. neil: graphics here, we have to keep updating them. these areas around the country are urging mask use, you can see public schools, not only la

county, massachusetts, nevada, new orleans, we added a couple of these this morning because they keep getting added. i asked doctor anthony fauci about this and whether the mask strong guidance is wise. >> it is quite understandable why local authorities are saying good that you are vaccinated but in a situation where you have people crowded you should wear a mask. neil: it has the opposite effect of incentivizing, going through this to wear masks and the guy next to me who has it the person who has it and wearing a mask too. >> getting vaccinated, not just so you don't have to wear a mask.

getting vaccinated is to protect your health, that of your family and that of the community, by not allowing the spread of infection or allowing yourself may be inadvertently to be a carrier to the virus to someone else. the very stunning statistic that might answer your question if you look at the number of deaths due to covid 19 in the united states, 99.5% are among unvaccinated people. getting vaccinated is not just about wearing a mask or not wearing a mask but something much more serious than that and that is keeping you healthy enough that you don't wind up in the hospital and don't wind up dead. neil: you always relay coordination with the cdc to

have a coordinated policy response but what did you think of senator cotton lumping you in with advisers who advise but don't decide? >> i'm not sure what the context of what he said was. he limped me with advisers. i am an advisor. we make advice. the recommendations come from the cdc. if you listen to the things that i have been saying over months and months invariably have been in support of the cdc guidelines. that is the job of the cdc is a public health agency. they have a lot of qualified epidemiologists who look at the data and make guidelines based on the science. what i do is support the work of the cdc. neil: i just read from that that you can recommend any type

of advice you want but ultimately mayors, governors and politicians are the ones on that. do you think he was thinking you personally? >> i don't know if he was. i hope he wasn't. there is nothing personal about this. a very common enemy, that is the virus, as a researcher, to develop the vaccines that saved millions of lives, and experience in public health. neil: over the issue of the source of this that occurred in

a wuhan lab and accepting at your word this is not something machiavelli and on your part, joe roden wrote in the washington post that what everyone can see clearly is that the nih was collaborating on risky research with the chinese lab that had 0 transparency in 0 county. during a crisis, no one in a position of power addressed that. fauci is arguing the system works. what do you make of it? >> i don't know if you can explain it in the period of time we have. if you look at the research that was done it was highly recommended. it is a very high score, the purpose of the research is very clear, to try to determine what was out there in the population that might be open. it was done in the context of

the precise environment and bedsores was of sars covid one so we could prevent sars covid 2. all of this thing about china is a different situation. back then when you qualified highly respected chinese scientists, it wasn't what it was made out to be, dealing with really bad people. those scientists were well respected in the scientific community internationally. neil: it got very heated. looking back at that funding role do you regret knowing what has transpired since then not that any of your decisions might have led to the outbreak of a virus over which you had nothing to do with, but it

shows the chinese even to this day reluctant and refusing to go back to those origins was it in retrospect? >> the scientific decision to look where the viruses emerge was a proper scientific decision. the one thing we didn't like is what this all turned into which is something that is very complicated and confrontational which it should not be. neil: congressman madison has said that if republicans gain control he wants you from being investigated for being a part of the chinese government, blaming the death of all those people, he backs off of some of

that. think of what you got involved in with donald trump in the beginning when this started. have you gotten to the point you want to say to hell with it? i don't need this. >> i am a scientist and my job which i am doing which we have done, to develop vaccines that have saved millions of lives already used to be a scientist and public health official. i certainly don't like the way this has turned out to be so contentious. when a congressman makes a statement, i forgot what it was, if they take the house in 2022 i should become italy investigated, on what basis is he making that comment? you've got to get realistic about that. we have a confrontation with senator paul because of the inflammatory statements he made but where do you come off about

talking about criminal -- conspiring with -- neil: you challenged donald trump on a couple things, and this all emanates from that. it still lingers to this day. >> i want to concentrate on my job as a scientist in public health official but you asked the question and i have to give you an honest answer. there is no doubt because i have to speak the truth during the trump administration which at times was contrary to donald trump that that annoyed a lot of people who got very upset with me but i wasn't doing anything personal. i was just trying to speak the truth about what was really going on with the outbreak and it was nothing at all against donald trump.

neil: speaking the truth about the virus and a problem but still remains in this country and this world, a problem that is also very real in our part of the world is crime, shootings this week in washington dc illustrated it and now there is growing concern the police chief wonders whether anyone above him, here's what he's saying after this. we did it again. verizon has been named america's most reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality

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seeing a spike about violent crime, nowhere is that more apparent than here in the nations capital. dc just crossed 100 homicides market is looking the earliest across the threshold in 18 years and is putting residents on edge as we thought two days ago, 20 to 30 gunshots ringing out in the city's most popular restaurant area. this is a war zone. two people were wounded, shooters remain at large, less then a week after and i according was shot and killed by stray bullets not far from the ballpark where fans went running for cover after another shooting. now dc's police chief robert conti having a moment. >> i'm mad as hell about this and hope you are too. we want to help people, yes we should but you cannot coddle violent criminals.

>> calling for defund the police. >> i don't think those calls are helping. >> in new york a 61-year-old woman beaten, dragged, hit in the head of the cooking pot before four lowlifes all her bag and her water. police looking for those criminals come out west california has become a shoplifting capital of the world, criminals in la brazenly strolling out of a t.j. maxx with goods that and lapd sergeant says is sending a message the criminals are winning and chief conti in dc city is down 200 officers from this time last year. neil: thank you very much. the la police protective

league, vice president, thank you very much coming in on saturday helping us make sense of this. >> thanks for having me. this brazen shoplifting is hereby two things, george gascon being the district attorney, grab and go, steal as much as you want and no repercussions, $950 without being charged, slap on the rest and that is it. neil: however nonchalantly walking out of that t.j. maxx similar some weeks back. $950 over which you get into some trouble.

>> reporter: you won't spend one day in jail. and they know that. out of t.j. maxx, didn't even run out, they knew there were no repercussions. this is incredible and going on too long. neil: what's the impact on your job and your colleague's job? you have to deal with these spikes, some of them serious and some not so serious that all spikes across the board, how do you prioritize? >> we prioritize felonies, robberies but even those are being downplayed. with da gascon, even if it is over $950 this district attorney has no concerns for victims. his concerns are with

criminals. they know even if it is over 950, it will be down to a misdemeanor charge so there's no repercussions at all. neil: depending on where you are there's a strong effort to defund the police or cut back on the police or second-guess the police no matter what they are doing. i your men and women under that pressure? are they aware when they go out on something they are a smart phone video away from potentially losing their jobs? >> absolutely. we see it every day. officers are out each day to protect the community with anti-police groups, new policies and laws that are put into place especially with prop 47 and prop 57, puts more couples on the street and offices lives in danger because it is a revolving door. officers want to do their job and do it well on a daily basis but they don't feel supported. they feel what am i to do? i rest the suspects, they

haven't on video, the video is posted and is circulated through social media without the true story of what happened so a lot going on and officers are feeling the pressure. neil: thank you very much. you will win the sendoff for the los angeles police department, switching to something less onerous, what is going on at the other pics in tokyo. a lot of people say the people are there but the athletes are not. it is starting off on a dull note. olympic athlete who was anything but, what he makes of all this. ♪♪

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anti-the washington post called them the weirdest olympics ever at least the opening family. two weeks of this? yikes. maybe things will change today, big swimming events are planned. next guest participated in the 1996-2000-2004 olympics. a marketing thing in beaumont and shadow boxing, even more entertaining to see picked up 10 medals in the process. great to see you, honored to have you on. >> go team usa. will: that is what people are hoping for this olympics. you can't blame the japanese for this, a year of the delay

is the pandemic and despite some cases virtually no one in the stands. how would that have affected you? you've got a lot of energy, they are not there. >> absolutely. this decision to not include spectators affect every athlete. some personality types are going to respond better to that, they don't like to perform in front of the screaming audience and others need that because they use the adrenaline as an advantage so already the results of these games are skewed slightly with that consideration. however, if we look historically, every olympic gold medalist had to perform. all eyes were on them in front of the screaming audience so it is exceptional in that way. will: we need some stories, it

added some drama to your olympic quests. there might be more that here, in short supply, i am wondering if the virus is the problem. so many athletes who tested positive forward or been exposed to those who were does that were you that more could lead as a result? >> know. let's set covid aside as a separate issue. out of every olympic games there is some unexpected performance that comes out of seemingly nowhere that inspires us, connects us with the olympic, some tale of overcoming tremendous adversity and that is the mo of the olympic games. every athlete out there

representing their respective country has to overcome something, some obstacle and this is what organizers need to focus on, look at the sacrifices, the adversity. the show must go on. it won't be long before we come across one of the stories from one of these athletes that does something incredible the changes the narrative. to what it is really all about. neil: another story, those who kneeled during the end the more turned away from the flag, what do you think? >> i believe in freedom of speech but there comes a time we put what is wrong with the country aside to focus on what is right with the country and

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neil: russian pipeline with germany okay, keystone pipeline not okay and that is how a lot of energy workers in this country feel about the president's position allowing

the germans and russians to strike up that pipeline deal but shutting it down, the keystone, within days of starting his presidency. one of those laid off keystone pipeline workers. good to have you, you spell your neil in detail, i am in the il but we can get into that hot debate later. i'm curious what you make of this because it is really weird. if you're going to be anti-fossil fuel or pipeline. go maybe consistency would be called for. a lot of your colleagues are scratching their heads. what do you think? >> it is definitely frustrating not only losing the peak keystone pipeline but the men and women our industry worried about what this does to the attitudes of ceos of private companies who might be willing to invest in future infrastructure. when you look at what it costs

for a project nowadays and the government can shut it down and energy companies will be hesitant to develop future projects it really makes us nervous. neil: what are you doing? have you found any work? anything promising? >> the majority of our work is maintaining existing facilities. it doesn't provide the amount of man hours new construction would do but i'm lucky enough that i'm working right now but there are so many members of this industry that have a chance to work right now. neil: i hope things change around, doesn't seem fair what happened to you guys. a very different life, former keystone pipeline worker. other develops we are following, that will be a core

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>> all right. they're still working on those infrastructure talks, that bipartisan group of senators, five democrats, five republicans, who are trying to find some common grounds here after earlier removing a provision that was onerous to republicans, the idea of beefing up irs enforcement to help pay for this. long story short, they're a long way from a deal, but we're going to get the latest from louisiana republican senator bill cassidy, among the five republicans trying to get something done. and lucas tomlinson, in the meantime, that other package that makes this one look like chump change. what have you got?

>> that's right. while most american support an increase in funding for fix roads and bridges, republicans and democrats can get a deal together. and nancy pelosi warns she'll push something through the house with or without the senate's help. >> it's important for us to have them pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill. as i said earlier, we don't know when, the senate's scheduled, but it seems to be imminent and i hope that it will succeed. i have said, and i repeat, that we will not be -- that while we are eager for it to pass, we will not be taking it up until the senate passes the reconciliation bill, and -- and the timing of that, of course, is up to the senate. >> senator tom cotton recently said that pelosi wasn't doing the senate any favors by taking this tactic and accused holding the infrastructure bill passive in order to pass the 3.5

trillion budget. and-- >> roads and bridges, replacing lead pipes in the water systems, poisoning our kids. delivering high speed internet to every single virginian, rural and urban. [cheers and applause] making sure that we invest in the jobs and purchase all this that american workers are doing the work. >> lawmakers have just days to finalize a $1 trillion infrastructure deal before the coming august recess. neil. neil: lucas. thank you, my friend. i want to go to senator bill cassidy, 10 in all, five democrats and five republicans. good to see you. are you making any progress? >> we're making progress. we worked hard through the

weekend, and there are thorny issues and the infrastructure bill that you're pointing out know the bernie bill and not the reckless spending and taxation that democrats want to do, this is about roads, bridges and highways, and i can we can get it done. neil: when you and fellow republicans dropped the irs $100 million billion to enforcement and there's a way, but is this thing even close to paid for? >> yeah, it may not be paid for the reason that d cbo scores. for example, a lot of states decided to end the federal unemployment additional payment early. that's about $50 billion that's not being spent. we're going to apply that to this infrastructure package. that's real money that's not being spent teas been allocated

for covid response. cbo may not give us credit, but it's real money that's not being spent that's already been allocated. so if you look at it in a commonsense way, yeah, they paid for it, so, we feel good about that. because the infrastructure. we need it. it's good for our country and i think it will pay for itself in addition to the way that we're paying for it. neil: senator, maybe you can help me about how congress does things in general in the senate and house because nonator what you do in the senate, even if you come up with a bipartisan plan acceptable to everyone, i guess the sense from nancy pelosi, she won't even consider it if that backup is-- it's hardly a backup measure to her, the so-called infrastructure plan isn't also wrapped up. the devil is in the details and sequence of voting, but she could stop the progress you're making by not considering it when it gets to the house, if

it gets to the house. >> neil, unpack what you're saying, she is saying she doesn't think she has the votes to pass the bernie bill, i call it, the tracks and spend extravaganza because there's bipartisan opposition that's what she's a saying. she's going to attempt to coerce people to vote for it by holding hostage something the american people want that's good for american jobs, economy, our future. now, by the way, we're headed into an election year. if she wants to kill a really good bill, great for the economy creating millions of jobs to hold it hostage for the bernie bill, she'll take her chances in the next election cycle because i promise you, voters will punish that decision. i think she doesn't have the votes for the tax and spend extravaganza and she's holding it hostage, but ultimately she's going to have to have a vote on it. neil: doesn't this violate the president's commit to you guise, the bipartisan

infrastructure only package there there will be no linkage and there appears to be in her eyes very much linkage. >> absolutely a violation so woof to figure the president is going to push it. the president's political fortunes rise and fall on getting something. if she's going to say if i don't get everything i want you won't get the infrastructure. the president knows that and his team knows that there will be pressure from voters, members and the white house for pelosi to take up the bill. you can't predict the future, but you can see the way the future lines up. neil: you know, when you talk about politics, senator, i don't think i can ever remember a time where the two parties have been so die metrically aposed and, they say that americans will be benefitting and things booming more and republicans counter all of

those are wiped out everything you pay via inflation, grocery prices to washers and dryers and you name it. someone's got to be wrong here. i'm sure you don't think it's republicans, but do you think, or do you fear, as a republican, the democrats might have something that will show a short-term economic gain with the inflation pain to come later? >> oh, a couple of things. the american people would have a choice. republicans cut taxes, let people make their own choices on investments and spending and our economy took off. with record levels of employment for everybody, and wage growth disproportionalitily. covid messed it after. prior to that we had record low unemployment and democrats have taken over now record employment -- i'm sorry, record inflation and wage growth

disproportionately for those who are better off and record taxes. the american people have a choice between two vision, i'm confident they'll like ours even before you talk about a border between us and mexico are totally out of control and other ways that this administration is mismanaging. neil: senator, while i still have you here, concerns former president trump, he's at another public venue tonight and a pretty controversial best seller already on his final days in office, is convinced he's running in 2024 for president. are you? >> i don't know that. i mean, the president is nothing if not unpredictable and so, we cannot predict that. all i can say is if we continue as republicans to go out, do a good job, point out the differences between the two parties, try and do good things for the american people,

politics will take care of itself. good policy is good politics. if we focus on good policy and point out the differences between the two parties, then the emexhe-- elections will take cake of themselves. >> could you support donald trump for president? >> i don't think he will be the nominee so that's something i don't think we'll cross because elections are about winning and when president trump was president, republicans lost the house, the senate and the presidency. that's not happened since herbert hoover. if we're about winning elections we have to kind of look at the history and see it as kind of a predictor of the future. and if we want to win, we have to recognize that we didn't, in fact, we lost on every level and so i don't think he will be our nominee because i think

voters will understand that. neil: interesting. all right. senator bill cassidy, great catching up with you. the senate finance committee, louisiana republican taking a close look at the infrastructure package. five republicans pushing, five democrats pushing, let's see if they can push it to the finish line. still early. in the meantime going to charlie gasperino and the great reopening is on, but it might be staggering across the usa, and i'm talking post the pandemic and it seems to be reigniting cases across the cities and states including new york where the biggest and the best might have to entertain pushing things back and especially when mayor deblasio is urging strongly for them vaccinated and more. charlie, what are you hearing? >> you know, i know he's demanding that, neil, but i cover, as you know, the banks and i think this goes for a lot of businesses in new york city. the big banks are telling me that 90% of their work force

particularly here in new york, have been vaccinated. if you look at the numbers on getting at least one shot, it's 70% and even more within those-- within the ages of 18 and 64 here in new york. and that's the whole state. so new york city i would think it's even greater. i just don't think there's going to be a public policy response to mandate vaccines here because they don't have to. i think what might happen and what i know is scaring a lot of bank execs who are now reopening and namely that's goldman sacks, jp morgan, and creme de la creme and why they have the deals and make so much money because they need people in the office and they know that in-office work matters. they're demanding their workers get back in the office more immediately than anybody else, but they're worried that there might be a mask mandate and i'll tell you if you're

integrating thousands of people in an office environment where they're talking with each other all the time, wearing a mask just doesn't work. so that's the one thing, i think, that could stop at least new york's reopening is a mask mandate because that would make integrating lots of people in an office environment incredibly difficult and we don't know if that's going to happen. so far it's not. i don't think the city's going to shut down, do what they did last time, and one other thing, neil, i think this is pretty clear, at least in new york and i know we are a national network, but this is where the financial industry is, the hospital systems in new york are not being overrun like they were during the first wave in march 2020 and april. i mean, this is pretty manageable stuff. i'm not downplaying in any sort of of-- anybody that's not covid, i know it's horrible, but i know this for a fact.

my brother works at brooklyn hospital, which is the epicenter it basically deals with a very high risk population. they're not getting the massive influxes of people. matter of fact the only people they're getting from what i understand it, particularly the icu, are people that have not been vaccinated so we don't have in new york, just by what i'm hearing from the hospital level and from a vaccine level, a public health emergency. other places might and listen, what do i know? i'm just a simple reporter, but i can read statistics. it looks like the vaccines work, it looks like they're pretty safe and i don't know, kind of an easy equation for me. i don't know about you, but-- >> i keep forgetting, you have a good source on this. your brother is a doctor. so, it's good that one of the gasperino brothers have gone on to succeed. >> yes, yes. neil: give him my best.

>> and my parents --. neil: nice to see you, best business reporter charlie gas preen-- gasperino and his brother is a doctor, one-two punch. and in l.a. county they have the mask requirements indoors, whether you've been vaccinated or not and that kind of propelled a lot of this talk. in the meantime, how all this have falls on a restaurant industry, particularly an industry told to get over itself by simply paying higher wages. what the president told one restauranteur, that as one we're going to talk to in a couple of minutes, pretty ticked off. after this that i should get used to people staring.

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other industries continue to struggle to find employees. how do you and the biden administration plan to incentivize those that haven't returned to work yet? >> there's some evidence that maintaining the ability to continue not, to not have to pay your rent so you don't get thrown out and being able to provide for unemployment insurance has kept people from going back to work. your business and the tourist business is really going to be in a bind for a little while. people being $7, $8 an hour plus tips, that's, i think, john, you're going to be finding $15 an hour and more. neil: where have i heard that before? pay your people more? >> pay them more. it's an employee's, an

employee's bargaining chip right now. neil: i never thought we would get to this second clip, but it's the administration to pay people more. when people whisper you do pay more attention, do the whole show that way, can't hurt. joining us now, a chief barbecue officer. >> good morning, neil. neil: you would not have these problems if, [whispering] you paid people more. >> good morning, neil, i feel like a simplistic and short-sighted look at the problem that we're facing right now, and i'm sitting in my restaurant in wisconsin the minimum wage is 7.25. right now, our starting page here is double that. so i'm double the minimum wage, but let's go back a little bit. let's look at may of 2019. i pulled some number to have something to talk about. president biden likes ice cream

cones. and i don't sell ice cream, i sell barbecue. brisket sandwich, 2.89 a pound for brisket. now 4.50, a 50% increase. starting page 40% above minimum wage at 10 or $11 an hour and now i'm 14. i've raised wages 40%, my input is 56% more, i've raised my prices only 25%. so we're lurching toward wage push and inflation, there's really no other way to look at it. and i think what i would like to see is, rather than continuing the incentivizing people to not return to work, do what some of the states, montana, arizona, some other states, they're providing incentive for people to go back to work and i think that's what we need to do. we need to get the country back to work. neil: i just wonder how you deal with it. if 14, $15 wages aren't doing it, what would? i mean, i understand your

concern and maybe people were less incentivized with other ways of pavement from the government, but it seems you could go to 20, 25, $30 and face this problem. is there something we're missing? what do you think it is? >> i don't know, but if we continue to go up that high, right, if i paid everybody 20 and $25 an hour. where is the demand for my product go? i'm here in the middle of america, right? no one is going to pay $25 for a barbecue sandwich in wisconsin or indiana or any other-- >> i would, i've heard yours are actually pretty good. so maybe. >> thank you. neil: but i get the point. you can't pass along allot of the costs, you might pay people more, but the idea that your customers will happily pay more for our great food doesn't fly. >> you know, and that's the thing is -- i would consider myself a four operator, i have four locations and pre-pandemic we employed about 220 people. i could put another 100 to work

tomorrow. we have continually increased our wages. we operate in the restaurant business and it's not just me it's the entire industry, it's a thin margin business and there's only so much we can pay or you're going to see mass casualties in the hospitality business. neil: incredible. well, hang in there. i'm sure when you hear politicians lecturing you how to do your business and provide, it must cause some upset stomach, but i'll leave it at that. and the smoke house and barbecue, and i bet the customers would happily pay for it, but you need a lot. we'll see. and we've been following the protests going on in france. if you think you have problems, and coming back there and enforcing the issue with the health passes and a lot of reasons in particular saying that's offensive. it meant to prove that you've been vaccinated or are testing

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>> you know, it's getting very nasty up there. in just the latest week 100 cases of unruly passengers and they're up 500% since before the pandemic. the bright side there are a lot more people up in the sky. the bad side, they're not in a good mood. and joining us new the senior editor. and you follow what's happening on the front. it's booming, it's back, i get

that, but a lot of people and i think overall these incidents are fewer than, you know, the percentage numbers might belie, but they do give people pause about going on a flight, don't they? they do worry about it. it's getting a little tense up there. >> you're more on the lookout. great to see you, by the way. neil: thank you. >> good to see you. i started to travel all over and fortunately for me my experience is everybody has behaved. i went to mexico and hawaii and phoenix two nights ago and so far everybody behaved on board. you're right the numbers are on the rise. 3100 cases of unruly behavior between january and june and goes with the trippling and 700,000 people per day and more making their way through the check points and more heading back to the sky. we're familiar with

pre-pandemic. we're entering a landscape that's different even if we love the act of flying. there are new rules and a couple of airlines that are holding up on serving alcohol on board and you have to wear your mask, some of these intercepts, 75% have to do with mask mandates that aren't going away until mid september and depending where you're going, you may need to be vaccinated. and the way we've been acting the last 16 months, we're training to hold our selves six people between us and those next to us and now we're this close to a stranger on a plane and we're rusty with the basic tenets of human interaction and that's magnified when you're crammed into a metal tube flying at 35,000 feet. neil: and 90% of the cases, emanating from the requirements. and one thing they through them

off midnight and not on the ground. >> pretty sure we're on the ground. >> and i'm curious about where this goes right now because a lot of people are now hearing what's going on and counties and cities across the country where they're requiring masks whether you've been vaccinated or not and using this as a sign that the airline industry which has the rules in effect now on the masks and the other stuff, right through september, will push it back even further and maybe compound all of this. what do you think? >> yes, i think there's already a general sense that we might see a bit of a different travel toward the end of the summer season, through maybe about late september into early october when we're starting now to hear we might see a bit of an uptick in cases generally when we sort of naturally see some of that summer demand to cool off a little bit. there's fervent booking activity for the holiday season for 2022 especially when it comes to the international travel. i think the traveler, the avid

traveler community, it will be very mildly dissuaded by the fact that there are maybe random cases of people maybe flying off the handle because they can get their gin and tonic mid flight or they've got to wear that mask. at the end of the day most, 87% of our 60 million members in the u.s. are fully vaccinated, for example, so they're looking at getting the vaccine and they're starting to see the destinations both domestically globally start to open up with the vaccine and there's a willingness to follow the rules and mandates for the near sake of getting back to travelling all over again. you're right, if september 13th comes and f.a.a. it ins the mask mandate and airlines like american and southwest hold off from selling booze on board it's going to continue this, what i call the growing pains here, neil, where we're reentering familiar territory with different rules and that's going to last a few more months. but the desire to travel is still there and i think that's an optimistic reality. neil: just use your influence,

my friend, to get the guy in front of me from putting his seat all the way back ill. neil: you deal with that and i think the problems disappear. thank you, the travel zoo senior editor. have you heard from the news on jeff bezos and he escaped a couple of minutes in space. now the u.s. government is saying technically you're not an astronauts and this thing to commemorate 52 years after man landing on the moon, he's not an astronaut and neither is richard branson. >> i wonder what michael collins daughter thinks of all of that? she's coming up. ♪ d to pack a record 1.1 trillion transistors into this chip

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>> someone who could afford to pay $28 million for a flight would have that kind of scheduling conflict, neil. neil: very good point. we don't know who that individual was, but we remember all of this was around to the day the 52nd anniversary of man walking on the moon, of course, remember neil armstrong and buzz aldrin and of course, michael collins orbiting above. if anything would have gone wrong on the lunar surface, he would have had to come back alone. and kate collins, his daughter, he recently passed away. >> thank you, neil. neil: i remember your dad, incredible the apollo 11 mission and now we're being told that that astronaut title doesn't come lightly. apparently, government officials are weighing in on

jeff bezos and richard branson they technically can't be considered astronauts not for the brief amount of times that they spent in case, they had no control in their rocket and safety features and others. it gets complicated, kate, i don't want to bore you with it, but not enough to be considered astronauts. honorary astronauts, fine, but an astronaut like your dad, not fine. what do you make of it. >> well, i was pondering that and i think what dad would say is there's a bigger perspective that we should all be more concerned about and certainly our brief experiences with jeff would say, he is more concerned about the humanity and the kind of civilization that we are leave behind and how are we contributing in a positive way, be it astronaut, be it a teacher or whoever we may be, so that designation is less

important than being a good person. neil: you know, you just summed that up with more wisdom than i think any journalist could or, you know, approval committee for being an astronaut could. the apple doesn't fall far from that tree. kate, i had a chance to talk to your dad on a number of times and and was very honored each and every time. i remember when it was as anniversary and you will of the apollo astronauts gathering at the white house and i asked him head-on about the conspiracy theory to that day to this day that lingered that he never really went to the moon, none of them did. i want you to listen to this, and give me your thoughts. michael collins. it wasn't too long ago that there were the conspiracy theorists that said that you guys never got to the moon, that this was all a sham, it was all a show. >> i just don't know how to answer that. you know, they saw the gigantic

saturn rocket go up from cape canaveral. it went somewhere. [laughter] >> you know, they saw the pictures of a small earth. they were taken from some great distance. they saw neil and buzz on the surface of what appeared to me to be a moon. i didn't see any cigarette butts or anything lying around out there. [laughter] >> you know, he really did, he had a great bob newhart sense of humor, but at least he didn't do what buzz aldrin did, remember one guy questioned him on that and he clapped the guy. and your dad took it in stride. the same critics in space, and bezos, you could be putting your money to better use. and different ways and flavors, and a core crowd that doesn't buy the space thing. what do you tell them, kate? >> well, you know, what dad used to say is, how interesting

thought, okay, not true, but, okay. how could that many people creating the hoax landing, keep a secret? that just isn't a secret that's going to get kept and there are some 400,000 people who contributed to the moon landing effort during the '60s and so there are a lot of people who participated in all of this, but everyone has their own perspective, it's allowed. neil: they're all globalists, kate, i don't know if you heard that, they're globalists, it's all a facade. [laughter] >> kate, when you look at the space program today, a part of you, being a little girl and watching your dad and space missions and dangers, i'm wondering if we're getting too cavalier about this. what your dad did and others did, a that was dangerous work, it isn't a walk in the park

doing what he did. my worry with people in space, ip welcome the great democratization, we don't appreciate that this is not, you know, like taking a trip to the store. >> so the risk averse nature of our more current society, which in those days, in the '60s, certainly, we all knew the risks and experienced the risks firsthand. those astronauts were all test pilots for the most part and therefore, came through the m the, most of them, not all. neil armstrong, for instance, it was a civilian, but he was a test pilot. so there was an acclimation and the risks that one takes in order to go and do what has never been done before. and the question is is that not human nature? is that not what our purpose is? to as dad always said, what's

more important apollo, achieving escape velocity, which was a huge accomplishment or apollo 11, the landing on another entity, the landing on another satellite? which is really going to be most important in the long run? and he always felt that it was human nature to go, to explore, to do or as he used to say don't put a lid over my head. he's going. so-- >> with a father like that exacting and the pressure he had to put on all of you. kate, thank you very much. your mother-- and your father lived that line of jfk, we don't do it because it's easy, but precisely because it's hard and your father lived that and i have a feeling, kate, so do you. thank you, kate, for joining us. >> thank you, neil, nice to see you. neil: kate collins, the daughter of apollo astronaut

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and show you some of the activity. show you the video of of the border gate. we've seen this every single day since we've been at del rio, a group of 100 that showed up to the border gate. and they're mostly haitians. we spoke to someone from africa, senegal, ghana, it's no longer just the northern triangle country, they're coming in from all over the world and show up to the gate and the border patrol walks them into the united states and put them in vans and buses and processing centers. and for the first time exclusive look at the mexican side of the border right where they cross in the area. take a look at the paper work on the ground there. passports lying everywhere from all over the world. i.d. cards, driver's licenses that sort of a thing from folks all over the world. there's trash all over the place, all over the river bank in the mexican city directly across from del rio where we

are. and the video showing the migrants crossing and cross the rio grande when the water is lower and walk where we are, and right into the united states sometimes accompanied by coyotes or guides and sometimes make the journey themselves. this happens every single day. and joe frank martinez says you can expect things to get worse once title 42 is lifted. take a listen. >> it's gotten worse the numbers keep coming and there's more boots on the ground now to dps and the national guard, so there's nor, you know, there's more apprehensions taking place. i've been discussing that with some of our partners and there's going to be an increase in the numbers that will be coming across once title 42 ends. >> and take a look at this photo here highlighting the ongoing security concerns. look at this, rio grande valley patrol in the last 48 hours they've apprehended three active members of ms-13.

you can take a look at photos of one of the guys right there. they say so far through the fiscal year just in the rio grande valley sector alone, they've arrested more than 1600 migrants with criminal records and back out live. another concerning stat from down in the rio grande valley the first two weeks alone. staggering 900% surge of migrants testing positive for covid. back to you. neil: thank you, bill aring following that like no other at the border. in the meantime, keeping the protests in france and urging of people to wearing masks and restrict their daily life and quite another when they're enforced it. proof that you are vaccinated or testing negative for the virus or you can't essentially go zaen anywhere, to no museum, restaurant or eiffel tower. parisians do ent like it, but

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>> sounds innocent enough in paris, the health pass, everyone would have one to prove they're vaccinated or testing negative for the virus. but it's not going over well in france because if you don't have one of the health passes you can't get into museums or movie theaters, even restaurants. and they don't like it one bit, but could all of that be coming here? are we getting past the point of urging people to get vaccinated to soon demanding they do so? jonathan turley, gwu law

professor, a brilliant legal mind, i'm glad he's here to help us out with it. good to sigh you. is that coming here? is that a matter of time to come here? >> that's a good question. the supreme court has only dealt with this on a couple of occasions and in the jacobson case in 1905 was really the main case whether states could impose a mandatory vaccination program and the court said that massachusetts could. in that case was a $5 fine against the gentleman who refused to take the small pox vaccine. and the question whether the united states could have a mandatory program and people are on both sides of the issue. in the united states we tend to leave at much as possible to individual choice. so the question for the court would be the government's compelling interest in a mandatory program and union the

court will look at the fact that they have 50% or so people in the population vaccinated. the vast majority of people who are at the highest risk are vaccinated so the court would have to look at whether this justifies a mandatory program for the remainder or whether this is a risk that you allow them to take. in my case, i took the vaccine as soon as it was offered, my whole family is vaccinated, but we have to look at that question. is this an individual choice or is this something that can be mandated? the second question, neil. neil: what happens when it comes to masks then, jonathan, as they're required in l.a. county, whether you're vaccinated or not. it's extended since to atlanta public schools and d.c. public schools and clark county, and massachusetts, new orleans, you get the picture. this list keeps expanding almost every day. what do you do? >> well, you can challenge these rules, even though the

states have a great deal of deference that is afforded them by the court. the question is whether the masks are justified, particularly for an outdoor setting. some people talked about implementing masks even for the outdoors. what's missing is the scientific basis to support such a broad rule. but the courts generally would defer particularly on indoor requirements for masks. now, the counter veiling narrative here which could be damaging for the states. people, like there was a cnn analyst who said the quiet part out loud and recently said that the governments have to make it as difficult as possible for people to make the wrong choice. and that is being amplified by the biden white house which is openly telling private companies, airlines and other companies to effectively impose a mandatory vaccine requirement. and it's -- if we go down that

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