>> you bought that wagner? >> that's what i did. we can either buy a beach house or get a baseball card. >> i've got to run. i'll see you later. thanks for watching fox news prime time. don't forget to download the will cain podcast and we can hang out together every monday and friday. in the meantime, i will see you back here tomorrow night. tucker carlson is next. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." joe biden went on television this afternoon and talk to the country about afghanistan. he said among other things that we had no choice but to leave in on that question, he is right. the united states should have left afghanistan for 19 years ago when it became obvious usama bin laden wasn't there and had fled to pakistan. no reason to stay in the country and the longer we remain, the worse it was always going to be. the question is in the relevant

question today is how exactly do you get out? just because something is necessary doesn't mean you get to ignore the details of it. an emergency appendectomy, would it matter to you who performed the operation? yes, it would matter to you. but it didn't matter to joe biden, he barely mention the withdrawal today, bite into the necessary thing in the ugliest possible way. you've been watching television, you've probably seen this footage that terrified men and sandals clinging to the sides of a c17 as it attempts to leave afghanistan. this is the iconic photo of the moment. the final scene of the american occupation of afghanistan. that means after 20 years and trillions of dollars, readers couldn't manage to pull off an orderly retreat. they couldn't even secure a single runway. and that's the main lesson of the fall, we are led by buffoons. we know that now, they are

imposters. everything they touch turns to chaos not just they are but here. these are people who run the amtrak station in downtown manhattan that is filled with drug addicts, people in charge of the power grid of the state of california and have no useful skills yet somehow these people assured us they would turn stone age afghanistan to modern belgium. remembering it now is bitter and hilarious. at this point, our leaders are so discredited they are running out of ways to criticize the taliban. is that biden administration really going to attack the new government of afghanistan for forcing women to cover their faces? are american diplomats actually going to lecture taliban leaders about toppling statues? probably not going to happen. that's how much credibility our leaders have lost, how much moral authority they have squandered in the past 20 years. but most of what they've lost is there self-awareness. just this weekend, they had no idea how badly they were failing in afghanistan. here is john kirby at the

pentagon explaining everything is under control. keep in mind we have not edited this tape and is not from last year. this is three days ago. >> it is not right now in imminent threat environment. >> tucker: good job, john kirby. of course he will keep his job. a man who is willing to defend pregnant fighter pilots can work in washington forever and so can the rest of the woke clowns at the pentagon, much more worried about white rage in west virginia than our enemies abroad. seriously, they hate it when you asked that question, nothing bothers them more but what is the answer? and while we're at it, how about the intel agents? give policymakers some rough sense of what will happen in the world especially in the big questions to make wise decisions. how is the world doing on that?

let's see. the collapse of the soviet union, 9/11, not small things, major history changing events. they had no idea. so why are they still there? someone has to read your text messages and make sure you are not making fun of trans people or anything like that. then there's the biden administration overseeing all of it staffed by power-hungry nonentities. hubris doesn't describe the vibe of the current white house, more grandiose than that when there's far justification for it. here's the leading national security advisor, as far as we can tell, has never had an actual job. outside of school, has no accomplishments whatsoever. watch this highly respected scholar explained that everything you were seeing on tv from afghanistan is a victory. >> how do you explain getting this so wrong? >> first, to be fair, the helicopter has been the mode of transport from the end to

embassy to the airport for the last 20 years. >> that's not the mechanism. you know that, it's a last minute scramble when this was not what we are going to see. >> the reason they were u.s. forces at the airport effectuating a successful drive down of our embassy, securing the airport to be able to get other people out is because the president preposition those forces in the gulf so they could be moved in rapidly in the event there was a rapid collapse. >> tucker: so they are effectuating a successful drawdown of our embassy so that's what you call it when you burn your files, just effectuating another successful drawdown. we could go on, we could torture you with the failures in the details and we haven't even mentioned the secretary of state tony blinken, a man so mediocre you gasp when you hear him speak.

can you really be that dumb and run the department of state? you can. in the last several decades of american formal policy prove that you can. afghanistan is not the first country in our leaders have left worse than they found it. the list of those countries as long. part of the reason is for decades, left-wing academics in the u.s. have used the developing world as a laboratory to test their theories about how societies ought to be ordered but aren't. over time, they have constructed the federal government of ngos that work alongside the pentagon and state department's to impose radical socialism projects on the world's poorest people who have no say in the matter. over the last 20 years for example, congress has allocated close to a billion dollars to export feminism to afghanistan. where did that money go? and went to a two year's masters degree in gender and women's studies offered at kabul

university. another u.s. government effort was to find activities that educate afghan men's and boys to challenge gender stereotypes. and of course, always and everywhere, leaders and force the most american of all cultural exports, affirmative action. american funded gender advisors demanding that women compromise at least 10% of the afghan national army and a still larger proportion of that country's political leadership thanks to american impose gender quotas, dozens of women ultimately were installed as representatives, how does that work? the whole thing was a sham as always. in fact, many of these new female legislators had never been to the provinces they claim to represent. almost nobody in afghanistan liked any of this, by the way, and why would they? there is one official conceded in a classified report, "focusing on gender may make things more unstable because it causes revolts. it caused revolts.

but officials kept doing it, they kept pushing radical gender politics anyway because they could because they were in charge of these people they were going to educate. this is the face of the late american empire, gender studies seminars at gunpoint for this is not like other empires. unlike other empires, our system operates for our benefit. they took no oil, remember that? instead, the entire point of our imperial project is to give meaning to the empty lives of the neoliberal. what role does the rest of us play in this? non, we just pay for it. yesterday to underscore that point, the biden administration told us that american citizens would not be given priority, so our government's official position is that american lives are not more valuable than the lives of foreigners but you already knew that because you've seen our southern border.

the people who made the afghan population possible like to see a lot more of our southern border, much more unrestrained immigration and bring in the refugees tonight. that's the only lesson they are taking from this debacle. "america must not stand idly by. the president must urgently rush to defend, rescue, give and expand, there is no time to spare. there's lots of time to spare as americans die of fentanyl ods and foreign national identities live here but when it comes to bringing afghans into our country, there is no time to spare and liz cheney agrees with that along with nancy pelosi and the state department, so many more, so many more just like them. these are the architects of the disaster we are watching unfold on television and should be groveling for our forgiveness, but they are not. because it requires decency. there's no chance. so we are getting it and if history is any guide and it's always a guide, we will see many

refugees from afghanistan resettle in our country and over the next decade, that number may swell to the millions. so first, we invade and then we are invaded. it is always the same. we will be spending a lot more time on that subject in coming weeks because it matters but first, since kabul has just fallen, might be worth asking the most obvious question of all. why did the taliban win? how did the sixth century triumph over the 21st century? there were indications that the single most notorious and reviled government in the world, primitive people famous for their brutality, rigidity, and humorless nests are more popular in parts of afghanistan than they were when we expelled them 20 years ago. they don't seem to be less popular, so how did that happen, what is the answer? let's not just blow past it like

that, what is the answer? countries are very complicated, so there are likely many answers but one of those answers may be that the population of afghanistan has firmly rejected what our leaders were selling it over 20 years. it turns out that the people of afghanistan don't actually want gender studies symposium. they didn't actually buy the idea that men can become pregnant. they thought that was ridiculous. they don't hate their own masculinity. they don't think it's toxic, they like the patriarchy, some other women like it so now they are getting it all back. so maybe it's possible that we failed in afghanistan because the entire neoliberal program is grotesque, it's a joke, it's contrary to human nature, it answers none of our deepest human desires, it is merely a performance stage for the performer, not even supposed to improve your life.

it's ridiculous. an idea that ridiculous and only be imposed by force only with armed men at gunpoint. the moment these ideas are not mandatory, people tend to revert to the lives that they refer to it. that may be the real reference of afghanistan and let's hope our leaders notice it. a retired army colonel and former senior advisor to the secretary of defense entrances tonight because he is the one man who can answer the question who should have known better? thank you so much for coming on tonight. so you have called for withdrawal from afghanistan for a long time, gave them a detailed plan for how to do that without the result we are seeing today. what did our government and just do that we should not have done? >> i think there are three things we have to take into consideration. first, of course, is there was never an exit strategy. when i was in the pentagon, the only thing i could find out was

there was intention to stay indefinitely. for some of the reasons you outlined in your opening remarks, lots of people were benefiting. not the american people and certainly not our soldiers and marines, but there was no path out of the place. secondly, these toxic senior military leaders because they simply don't tell the truth and for 20 years, they've been lying frankly to the american people, to soldiers and marines doing the fighting telling them things were getting better, that we were making progress when the truth was we weren't. and the soldiers and marines can be blamed for that. let there be no mistake about it but the generals have done a terrible job and it is obvious from what you're seeing on the ground right now, the chaos. no planning, no preparation, awful. i can't think of anything worse. and finally, we went in and said we were going to fight terrorism which he said was over quite quickly, no reason to make war, had no role in 9/11, we were

there from al qaeda only al qaeda escape through the incompetence of others but effectively, we have push them out of afghanistan and we should have. we didn't do that and so what have we got now? we don't have democracy, we haven't defeated terrorism, we have probably created some new ones, we have the largest narco state in the world now falling into the hands of new criminals and new terrorists. >> tucker: all of that is depressing to hear and i think verifiably true but i want to go to the very first point that you made that after 20 years, there is no specific plan to leave her as you put it, glide past. how could that be? >> when we first went into iraq, there was an argument between some others in his office and finally interjected and said we just want to get the army into

iraq. i think there are a lot of people that decided they just wanted to get the military into these places and that somehow or another, we would muddle through, that things would improve. a generation ends when it's illusions are exhausted. i think it was arthur miller that said that. what you are seeing now on television, this mass chaos and dissolution is the end of the illusions that began long ago in the aftermath of desert storm with her successors. why are we using the army? you keep talking about how good it is, let's use it. he obviously was not excited about seeing it employed for reasons other than fighting. well, we have employed it all over the middle east and what have we created? chaos. what have we established in the interest of the american people? nothing. >> tucker: reckless children and you confirmed it. i appreciate you coming on, thank you.

not long ago in june, tony blinken assured america that afghanistan would definitely not fall in just a matter of days. >> i don't think it's going to be something that happens from a friday to monday, so i wouldn't necessarily equate the departure of our forces in july, august, or by early september with some kind of immediate deterioration in the situation. >> tucker: of course as we just learned, that's exactly what happened. the country collapses from friday to monday. how did this happen? it's worth knowing. the president of the quincy institute for responsible for craft and the author of age of illusions, how america squandered its victory and joins us now. thank you so much for coming on. you just heard doug mcgregor accused pentagon leadership of lying to the country and to the

men they lead about the state of afghanistan. do you think that's true? >> largely yes. i think the key point is the media is understandably obsessed with what is going on today, the catastrophe that has unfolded, but i think that focus distracts attention from the previous 20 years and so the story of how we got here which i think is the story that demands attention yes the biden administration certainly has failed in mismanaging this final withdrawal but by god, there is plenty of blame to go around doug mcgregor focused on responsibility of failed generalship appropriately. i think also we need to focus on the responsibility of successive administrations that have completely botched this

undertaking. >> tucker: i agree with that completely and i think you for making that point. what do you think the lessons are? what do you think the people who make these decisions told themselves that turned out not to be true? >> i think we can bring madeleine albright into the conversation, people like the neoconservatives, bill kristol whose name has been mentioned, people believe at the end of the cold war that we have become the masters of the universe, that the ultimate destination of human history was predetermined, that the united states is now in a position to nudge things along. you look at the objectives in afghanistan defined that the bond conference at the end of 2001, it's clear that american

decision-makers had lost all connection with reality, seeming to assume we were dealing with massachusetts rather than afghanistan. >> tucker: they can't even run massachusetts. i was just there, i can confirm. so do you think -- i wish we had more time. do you think what we're seeing on tv because it is so evocative, such powerful images, do you think this changes our foreign policy going forward, is at the end of something? >> who was going to take responsibility? that's the question. will the analysis of the failure of afghanistan be willing to confront the fact that it was a bipartisan failure, not simply something to be president biden. >> tucker: you are seeing both sides attempt to leverage this

for partisan gain but i agree with you completely. i appreciate your coming on tonight, thank you very much. so just hours ago, the really discredited tom kirby blamed the collapse on the country's military. he said the united states has no way of predicting the tallow band would overrun afghanistan's national army. watch. >> it would certainly be wrong to conclude the united states military did not view as a distinct possibility that the tallow band could overrun the country and including kabul. as we talked about here many times, it happened very fast and one of the things that we couldn't anticipate and didn't anticipate was the degree to which afghan forces capitulated sometimes without a fight. >> tucker: .com is a former navy seal sniper and joins us to

assess what we are seeing in afghanistan, thank you so much for coming on. so you have heard of bunch of different military and state department leaders and political leaders as well say that the afghan army was actually pretty well-trained, and pretty good shape, they could hold the taliban at bay. do you think people who are operating at your level in the country believe that was true? >> in 2003, had fought the soviets back in 2003 and he told me that what we've been hearing all day today that americans have all the watches but we have all the time and in the clips you just played and have been playing all week of her senior level officials telling us the government is not going to fall, no threat, i can't help but think back in 2003 as the american forces are moving in on baghdad saying nothing to fear here, we have americans on the

run, too many similarities there. and you asked why this happened and it is because our enemy studies their history. they know their history. they know they have had to provoke, intimidate, retract, and an exhaust. they knew that. our senior level military leaders did not look back he went the soviets encourage and where they could have gone back to the early or mid 20th century to look at the war or the 18th century for two other wars. they didn't even have to go back to genghis khan or go back to any of that, alexander the great. there was plenty of case studies out there that would let us know exactly what happened over the weekend was going to happen. >> tucker: that's exactly right. i've been thinking this all day if you serve their and you gave part of your life to fighting that war, how does it feel to see this?

>> it is certainly tough and there are a lot of veterans out there hurting today, parents who lost children, brothers and sisters who lost siblings, spouses who lost their loved ones, children lost their parents so all of those feelings for hitting people really hard this weekend and will for the next few weeks so do veterans out there if you know someone who is hurting, step up and let them know you are thinking about them and if you see someone is hurting, they probably are. a lot of resources out there because regardless of how horrible things are in afghanistan or in this country, it's a good day to be alive and a couple of other things there, we lost because of our own imperial hubris in u.s. political military establishment confused our entry and initial resolve with victory and they were wrong, america's sons and daughters pay that price and our leaders were really trapped by their own intellectual inertia. we talked about alexander the great, should have been a clue

and when we first went in there, those goals of disrupting al qaeda organizations, i brought this book because i heard there was some addition to the reading list this year, military reading list and in case something got bumped off, just wanted to hold ups are a senior level officials could realize this is pretty important but was called a culminating point of victory and we reach that fairly soon in 2001 and 2002 and that means that if you go beyond that point, you turn that success into failure and what we did was we switchgear to reconstruction, nation-building, focusing on iraq and drug trafficking and went way past that point culminating points of victory. >> tucker: if you can't clearly define what your mission is. i appreciate your coming on tonight, thank you so much.

>> thank you for having me. >> tucker: it feels like this disaster spells the end of something. a change in our foreign policy, a real blow to the biden administration, what is it exactly? brit hume joins us later in the hour to assess.

>> tucker: america's cities continued to collapse. no one cares. we do. 11 people were shot just this weekend, five of them died. people running philadelphia were bothered by it in those numbers were low by the city standards so they did nothing to stop the crime, encouraging them for quite some time. what are they doing there ? punish people who haven't broken the law. on wednesday, philadelphia

announced that all city employees who haven't been vaccinated will be humiliated for their disobedience to the regime. they will be required to wear not one, but two masks over their faces. >> as of september 1st, all new employees hired by the city will be required to be fully vaccinated against covid. current employees will be required to either be fully vaccinated for two double mask whenever they are in an indoor space with others. >> tucker: that's kind of a tallow band, isn't it? philadelphia is just following advice from tony fauci. on january 25th when he told us that multiple layers of masks are common sense. he didn't mention suffocation. of course, the city is not following tony fauci's advice from two days later on january 27th. that's when he revised his statement and said "the cdc did not recommend that you should wear two masks.

so in case it's not crystal clear by this point a year and a half in, we have left the realm of science and we are just making things up to hurt people who may disagree with us. the powerful are doing whatever they feel like doing in the name of science in public health because nobody is stopping them. in australia where there are no restrictions at all apparently, the country has declared martial law and now peasants of australia have to find a way to drink alcohol through their face masks and they are. >> they will be no removal of masks to consume alcohol outdoors, they will no longer be able to remove their mask or drink a cocktail at a pop up footpath as part of the pub crawl. >> tucker: this is funny because if you are going along with that, the joke is on new. that's not even the craziest thing going on in australia right now. the city of melbourne just announced "if you live in a

larger household such as a share house or with extended family, you can no longer exercise with all members of your household. that's funny because exercise is the one thing that might help with covid. it combats obesity. obesity is the most serious comorbidity of covid. in other words, it's the reason you are most likely to die other than age of covid. so of course, they are making it much harder to do. close the jim's, don't let people exercise together. you can still drink, just have to do with your double masks to filter. so what if you are not for all of this? would if you oppose rules that tell you to wear two masks at one time? according to the biden administration, if you raise any complaint at all about their rules some of you may be a domestic terrorist. a new bulletin from the department of homeland security identifies key threats to the united states. one of those threats is

americans with grievances over public health safety measures and perceived government restrictions. notice they are not actual restrictions. just perceived. also warns that terrorism caused by conspiracy theories on perceived election fraud. in other words, except the results and at what point does this get really scary? i think we are at that point now. they summarized the switch is not parity. potential terror threats include opposition to covid measures. so if you oppose these insane transparently political demented covid measures for example, the governor of michigan said it was dangerous to buy paint but not to get an abortion. you have questions about that, you are a terrorist. a much longer exactly? on friday, cnn's top analyst welcome this news that their political enemies are now officially domestic terrorists.

>> only talk about the domestic front, this is from racially and ethnically motivated extremis but also encompassing what we are calling these antigovernment groups who could potentially be seizing on the emergence of new covid variance and they could be promoting violence because of government restrictions and also public health safety restrictions as well so that is on one side here. >> they note that pandemic is worse than we think and things like mask mandates, covid restrictions could fuel people to carry out different kinds of attacks. >> tucker: kind of a freaky looking character on cnn. when they disagree with you, they say your ideas are bad and now they say you are domestic terrorist. president of american majority and still is a majority of normal people in this country. thank you so much for coming on. i don't want to be paranoid or induced paranoia and anyone

watching but this seems genuinely alarming to me. >> it was a read between the lines threat. you're a conservative with wrong beliefs, you might be considered a terrorist. you don't fall in line with everything the administration experts tell you, you might be a terrorist and i think the really troubling thing to me is this turning of the security and intel apparatus the target americans for wrong things is getting to the point where the elite deeply resents us questioning their narrative becoming verboten that you would ask questions. i simply want to know what is the real mortality rate of covid for anybody under the age of 75 who doesn't have a serious comorbidity? why is biden is doj so antagonistic towards the various election audits that are happening across the country? honest people that won fair and square don't respond that way but their responses not honesty and transparency, it is

aggressive authoritarian threats. at the end of the day, progressivism is the end of progressivism because if you believe in the all-powerful administrative state filled with these so-called experts, everyone who does not accept the gospel of the experts of the great and glorious state will be made to submit and comply and that's what we are getting to in this country. >> tucker: the second the u.s. military left afghanistan and thinking no one is going to pretend that men can get pregnant or that feminism makes sense or any of the stuff, right? so you have to wonder if their ideas are so good, if their covid policy is so good, if their views on the election are transparently obvious, why do they have to threaten us with guns if we don't agree? >> because at the end of the day, it's all arbitrary. we are seeing our so-called elite, just credentialed

videography. they've been really exposed over the last 18 months on the idea of the so-called experts as rung hollow and deeply resented and is about you will comply with what we say even though it's a very arbitrary and if you don't, we will force you by all means necessary and it's a very unhealthy place to be as a country and when you're trying to make half the country be defined as domestic terrorists, this does not end well if they would actually study history instead of gender studies. >> tucker: is true. you let all-american say what they thought for a day, you would hear very different conversations to the ones you are hearing now, that's for sure. i appreciate you coming on. all of a sudden, everyone in the media is an expert on afghanistan. they have no idea what they are doing. actually has left the united states once or twice and because he has, realize

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>> tucker: mark steyn is a good friend of ours and we talked to him a lot, but we haven't talked to him at length in a long time until now.

we spoke to him for a recent episode of tucker carlson today about why the media in this country has stopped representing the people who live here and not surprisingly, he had a very smart response. here is part of it. >> american national government doesn't work because the congressional districts are now so populous that they don't represent the people, they represent a handful of players in each district who know how to get the guys on the phone. so what doesn't work at the $7.8 trillion level. and i think that big government doesn't just mean big government, it means it is no longer -- at a certain point, it can no longer be representative of the people so if you have 300

something million under the congressional system and i say this with respect to india which is the world's largest democracy anywhere right now, i would judge federalism in india works better than federalism in the united states but don't forget, has as many representatives as the british house of commerce and so for a 60th of the population more or less, i representative their if he doesn't necessarily know all the people he represents by name, he knows a significant amount. >> tucker: so you've lived all over the world and i think you still may but in the five years you've been doing our show, there's a two or three month

period for you just disappear and i've never asked you where you go, just get a call saying mark steyn is not available, where is he? not going to ask you now. >> just around the corner face down. i try to make it sound as if it's a little bit more exotic. >> tucker: i suspect you are in foreign countries, that's what i've heard but i've never asked, not going to ask you. you have a lot of respect yvonne countries, what are the things that america should watch out for going forward from the wood of the threats? >> just to say why that is, i think at a certain point, you have to go and see places for yourself. and i think that's particularly true if you are in the media. you know that a lot of what the

media do is phony so 9/11 happens and within ten days, every commentator is an expert in the fierce goatherd and they've never heard that word ten days earlier but now suddenly they have to appear as experts and i never particularly cared for that so i'd like to go and actually get a grip on those places firsthand which i always like to do just to reassure myself and that this particular time to go answer your question, my problem right now is that western civilization is sliding off a cliff and most people in the western world aren't even aware of that which is tragic so how do you stop it if they are not aware of it? one thing i've noticed and you

have traveled to these places, the western world right now gets more west the further east you go. at some point, american conservatism which is desperately stale and tired at the official level at the think take level and the conservative magazine level if you can still find one has to actually confront that head-on as to why they are having absolutely no -- it's interesting to me, all the phenomena of the pushback, the tea party in whatever it was, 2,009 and then trump in 2015 and now these people showing up at school boards and being mad over critical race theory, all of these phenomena have nothing to do with the conservative

establishment whether political or whether the think tanks so that should tell those guys about the disconnect. >> tucker: that conversation went on for an hour and you can watch the whole thing on tucker carlson today. brit hume has followed joe biden's career for several hundred years now he knows a lot about foreign policy and is standing by to assess what we are watching tonight in afghanistan and what it means up next.

>> tucker: when he spoke today, he did not get to explain why a few weeks ago he was telling us that it would look nothing like saigon. >> the taliban is not the

north vietnamese army. they are not remotely comparable in terms of capability. there is no circumstance where you see people lifted off the roof of an embassy of the united states from afghanistan. it is not at all comparable. >> tucker: brit hume is our senior political analyst, we are happy to have him here, thank you so much for coming on tonight. so how do you assess the politics of this for the administration? >> i think this is a stain, unmistakable the viewpoints across the board of this evacuation operation, the last piece of the pullout have been uniformly the same, there is a disaster. it was horribly planned, misbegotten, and the decision to do it like this was worst of all and you are hearing from all corners now and i think if people look at these images stamped in people's minds, a

pathetic stain on that tarmac today where people were chasing that airplane, people don't forget that and it will be a stain on joe biden and his record that will endure. the best thing he has going for him right now is probably the fact that the amount of reporting we got may be very limited. we may not know the extent of atrocities being committed over the subjugation of women in all the things. >> tucker: it's possible they will make their people wear masks and cover their faces. >> that's possible. >> tucker: i've been frustrated for a long time that we are still there and that's my personal view and i still feel that way. so i'm glad we've left but there has to be some nonhumiliating, nondisastrous way to lead. >> the thing that biden rather cleverly talked about is talked about the decision to withdraw. that's what we've been saying all along time ago, we've been

gradually withdrawing for years and the question was when the final pullout of the final would be there. the admission of nation-building everyone seems to agree with has been abandoned for years. i think are you going to nation build with 2500 troops? we were there as military support for the afghan forces which seem to be motivated, very much motivated by her presence there and despite all the criticism that biden leveled after today, they lost tens of thousands of soldiers fighting the taliban. so there is that. but this question in this issue is all about how you execute the final pullout and this was unmistakably hideously botched. you hear people say we have a handle on this, we know. and i wasn't as excited about it

and we may have a disagreement about that but the execution of this piece of it -- that's what he inherited, he inherited a drawn down force about to be removed, his job was to remove it safely and effectively, right? and the consequences of his decision-making about how to do that or what we saw today and yesterday. this is on him. this piece of it is on him. >> tucker: i wonder if it will be recorded that way. >> at this point somewhat to my surprise, we have seen it recorded that way and i've seen people say he is trying to change the subject with the withdrawn solon but this i think. >> tucker: i don't see any sign of confidence, look at our cities. i appreciate you coming on,

thank you. that's it for us tonight, brand-new episode of tucker carlson today with the mark steyn for the hour. we will be back tomorrow night 8:00 p.m., the show that is the smart insincere enemy of lying, smugness, and groupthink. have a great night. now it's time for sean hannity. >> sean: joe biden has frankly humiliated the united states on the world stage. saigon circa 1975, steroids, former defense secretary and cia director leon panetta rightly calling it biden's bay of pigs and things to the ill-fated actions of our derelict low functioning president if you want to even say that, that is somewhat charitable. the absolute worst-case scenario has been playing out before our eyes, biden ignoring the advice in the counsel of his top u.s. military