please set your dvrs so you never miss an episode. the sad thing joe biden addressing the country tomorrow about, how to evaluate people. there's no real good, save option, it's a sad thing, because he didn't act when he could. in the meantime, let not your heart be troubled, laura ingraham is next, have a great night, see you back here tomorrow. ♪ ♪ >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle." we have a huge show for you tonight, a lot going on in washington and beyond the let's dive right in. it's time to put americans first, that's the focus of tonight's angle. our elites in politics and the media, they really want you to know that they care deeply about the afghan people so much that they want to bring as many afghans here to the united states as possible. >> accepting afghan refugees and the willingness to accept more because we have to do more. >> the integration of refugees,

in particular it's been a great american success story. we are actually quite good at it here in america, 50,000 afghan refugees in the nation, over 300 million is not even a drop in the bucket. >> across the united states, we are seeing widespread support for afghan refugees, but for refugee resettlement in general. >> laura: while it is certainly heart wrenching to see the needless suffering wherever it occurs in the world, it's just awful, none of us want to see that. but why is it that most of the same people you just saw in those clips and all these politicians, all the people going on and on about letting everybody in the country, why are they so often ignore the very real suffering here at home? you don't have to go to the afghan provinces near bob graham to see tragedy. you can see it not far from here in baltimore. in the last three weeks, five teenagers have been shot there, two of them fatally. 115-year-old was gunned down in

the street broad daylight. if you don't have to go to thousands living in violence. you can go to chicago to see that. 16 were shot yesterday alone, including a 7-year-old boy who was sitting in the back of his mom's car. it's all horrifying, but we shouldn't be surprised. when the taliban terrorizes afghans, it's an islamic fundamentalist extremist cult after all, come on. if but what's our excuse? why aren't we more shocked? wired we demanding a response to the gangs and the cartels, the opioids, all of it terrorizing our neighborhoods here at home? in fact, the left is only made matters worse on the ground for the working class here at home. they excuse riots, they bailed out criminals, they endorsed the racist, radical agenda of blm, and democrats and better, the left, on all of the issues of course, they've helped make all things worse at every turn.

every person now demanding that we take every afghan because we promised them forgets that america's first promise is to her own citizens. their safety, their security, and their freedom. yet our border towns are being overrun by released migrants because biden refuses to do what's right on the border. they know that covid-infected migrants will infect american citizens and schoolchildren this fall, they know crime is going to spike due to the million plus migrants biden has already released into the country. and they don't care. in fact, their goal right now is to speed up the admission of these migrants into the united states. just yesterday the administration announced new rules to empower bureaucrats who will now unilaterally decide whether an illegal alien shows up at our border, should be allowed entry into the

united states. these open borders fanatics cannot be trusted to safeguard our sovereignty and enforce our laws. it's been obvious for a long time that when you really think about it, the elites have pretty much had it with americans. they are like china -- remember regular americans, they elected trump. they love their second amendment still and they are far too religious and at their core, they come from a kind of evil and racist background. thus, the more folks from other countries who can come here, the better. even if we can't really that them, even if they become wards of the state, even if they bring in more crime, more violence, their extended family comes in, third cousins twice removed. the left, to the open borders establishment, they are better than the old normal. the next three years will see blunder after blunder from biden

as his team drifts from one crisis to the next. so what should conservatives in power do now? well, first thing we should do is resist the democrats standing binge -- spending binge that's happening. that's going to be wasted because biden's team are not competent administrators. second thing we should do, defend the states were trying to do the right thing. red states are leading the way economically and they are leading the way to help protect our cherished freedoms. we cannot let biden bully them or the inept blue state leaders drag them down. and third, i think we should obviously protect our border. the g.o.p. may be divided in the immigration amnesty issue refugees, but we should agree on the rule of law and resist all immigration actions that are not in strict accordance with duly passed laws. and fourth, of course, we have to fight inflation. that includes pressuring the

federal reserve to take more aggressive action to stop inflation and block disastrously big spending bills. number five, we should continue to beat the drop for energy independence. we did it under trump, it was awesome. we can do it again. lower energy prices mean more prosperity. it means more jobs for all americans. sixth, we have to try to win in every state, how about that concept? because for the last 25 years, republicans have focused on winning the majority by capturing a slim number of red states and then picking up few purple states here and there. it's really hard to do. and that strategy, as we saw, has failed, and its allow the hard left to build solid support on the two coasts that they dominate now. that can't stand. for all their problems, california and new york are too important to concede to the left. if they are both beautiful, great states. we've got to win them back. if we really want to stop the

socialists who despise our country, want to destroy our country, want to import more people into our country to kind of balance out or swamp the old normal, we have to see some big landslides. remember, reagan fought for every state and eventually won 49 of them. we have to try to do the same. the time is right to take our religious freedom, our message of freedom and prosperity to the voters on two coasts, into the inner cities, you bet, they have to hear our message too. people are suffering there from leadership. they are dying there because of incompetent leadership. if we must live through a repeat of the 1970s with biden, let's try to follow it with a repeat of the 1980s. and that's the angle. with us now, a man that wants to be part of the effort to flip new york red, congressman lee zeldin, is on the foreign affairs committee at he's running for governor of the empire state. also with me, texas lieutenant

governor dan patrick. texas has been under assault by the left lately. congressman zeldin, let's start with you. how confident are you of the administration 'stability and its desire to properly vet the refugees and other qualifying vulnerable afghans for admission into the u.s.? >> i have zero confidence in that competency and it's sad to have to say that, but that's the truth. right now in afghanistan, priority number one needs to be to get our own american citizens back home. earlier today, admiral john kirby was giving a press briefing at the defense department and he was saying that they had evacuated several thousand people from afghanistan, but he didn't know how many of those people were american citizens, how many were afghans but under u.s. law, we were permitted to bring them out, and how many were third-party nationals. there was an unknown amount of third-party nationals part of

this evacuation. i don't know how you can prioritize all these other people before americans first. as far as the process goes, in order to make sure you're bringing the right people here, there's two main ways to vet people, one is with the paperwork, to ask all the important security questions you need to make sure they are who they are and they don't pose a threat and when you don't have the paperwork, you have to do thorough questioning, technical questioning, of that person to try to get answers beyond what is missing in the paperwork. in this chaotic setting that we have right now, i am concerned that we are bringing people who are not american citizens who are not properly vetted. >> laura: dan, i'm going to get back to that but let's move to the other crisis, which is the crisis on our southern border. you heard what i said in the angle, dan, that while our heartbreaks were afghans, and we want to get our americans out of there, obviously, and maybe a small group that's actually the interpreters, the people who have actually done the real heavy lifting for our soldiers, but at the same time, none of

these people who are crying about afghanistan cry for the people of america who are having to absorb a million .5 -- 1.5 million migrants into the united states from the southern border crisis. what's your view on this? >> you know, laura, you're angle was spot on. now have a new name for the president. president chaos, because everything he touches this chaotic. afghanistan, the border, the economy with inflation as you pointed out, our oil and gas independence where we were independent free before and not now from foreign countries were enemies. chaotic covid policy allowing a million and have people across the border, not checking them for covid. president chaos and someone said well, we need to impeach him or replace him. then you have president clueless, because she doesn't have a clue. i've never seen our country in the hands of two people more inept in the interview yesterday with stephanopoulos where he said george, i just don't know how we could have gotten out of there with chaos, i just don't know how that happens. that tells you everything you

need to know and what does the left want to do, laura? they want to create chaos in our streets, our courts, you name it. they are trying to overturn our country from the left by creating chaos one have the perfect foil for them and on the border, we haven't forgotten about it, we are dealing with it every day. thousands are coming in. the photographs of people rushing to the airport look like people rushing across the board. >> laura: right! >> it's the same everywhere we look, he's destroying this country, a country that was on a really good path under president trump when he left office. >> laura: congressman zeldin, dan's point there is so searing. we have that plane full of people being taken out of afghanistan, many of them coming here, a good section of them were afghan nationals. we have several hundred people every day, thousands, crushing our southern border, but the left is like no, this is fine. this is not a crisis, we don't

have a humanitarian crisis, it is something we basically just had to let everyone and so i guess you import afghans, import migrants with no credibility at all on an actual process that makes sense for the american people. >> writes. >> laura: who they are supposed to be serving, congressman. >> and it is a crisis on our southern border. they want to play it out as either there is no crisis where there is a crisis and it's all trump's fault when the fact is it is the policies, the statements going back to their campaign, the promises made to pander to their own base, today one with the executive orders that came out, the message was sent to come to our border. they are continuing to flow across and the policies are continuing to incentivize even more of it. you've put vice president harris in charge of that effort, the one time she was shamed into going to the border come she didn't even really get that close to it, she was still a thousand miles away from where it was the biggest challenge. so this is huge. i think that republicans have to

work to earn the support of voters to take back the house, take back the senate. >> laura: that's the only way it's going to change. only way it's going to change. >> you have to have balance. you need to have a check and balance on this at administration because the open border policies are only going to actually get worse if these guys continue to stay unchecked. >> laura: dan, they're coming after your state, really quickly here, as a response, coming after state because of the increased covid number, hospitalization deaths are up in texas how they are saying direct assault on your governor's policies in your state's policies, brief response. >> well, laura, the covid is spreading, particularly most of the numbers are with the unvaccinated and the democrats like to blame republicans on that. well, the biggest group in most states are african-americans who have not been vaccinated in the last time i checked, over 90% of them vote for democrats and their major cities and major counties, so it's up to the democrats to get -- just as it's up to republicans to try and get as many people vaccinated, but we respect the fact that if

people don't want the vaccination, we are not going to force it on them, that's their individual rights, but in terms of criticizing the republicans for this, we are encouraging people who want to take it to take it, but they are doing nothing for the african-american community that has significant high number of unvaccinated -- >> laura: tiktok videos. a lot of videos and hip-hop artists giving messages, but the vaccines also diminishing in its benefit over time. we will get to that later on. great to see both of you on the dueling crises. while they ignore every single other crisis across the country, the bike demonstration actually empowers the terrorists at the same time in afghanistan. you don't believe me? >> president biden: we provided our afghan partners with all the tools -- let me emphasize -- all the tools, training equipment of any modern military. we provided advanced weaponry we are going to continue to provide funding and equipment. >> laura: okay, that was

july 8th. all of the tools and equipment he mentioned? it's now in the hands of the taliban. four days ago they took over the air force base we built. now they have a fully functional airfield with two runways. not to mention the state-of-the-art embassy we handed over in kabul, only cost about 1.5 billion to build it. joining me now, retired bigoted general robert spalding. do we even have an inventory of how much weaponry we left behind? and i'm not even talking about potential for moving aircraft out of afghanistan and third-party locations that we will get to in a moment. >> we spent hundreds of billions of dollars there and we do have a pretty good understanding of what we sent over there. i think most of it, particularly like the [indiscernible], which are used for air support, the blackhawks, which are used for similar missions, they are going to require maintenance and

training to use. my concern on the advanced stuff is going to be sent to china or russia or some other reverse engineering. on the rest of the equipment i think it's going to be minimal use. i think the real issue here, laura, that the dash the problem here is that we had every chance in the world to plan this, to make it right. this wasn't 9/11, it's something we knew, we planned, we had a date for, we know what was going on. i'm heartbroken that our military just didn't fit the bill. >> laura: welcome into your point on the number of planes. this question was posed at one of the big briefings this week. watch. >> how many u.s. taxpayer-funded military aircraft have been flown out of the country and what you're doing to get those back? with part of afghan pilots those planes to third countries. >> i have received reports of a number of aircraft that were flown into his back a stand and

tajikistan. exactly how many, i don't have firm numbers on. >> laura: general, aren't they paid to have firm numbers? is the secretary of defense. this is an international crisis of epic proportion and embarrassment to this country. and the level of ignorance on the part of our top military command, the callous and disregard for all of these details and incompetence, whatever we want to call it. i'd like to say it's shocking but that word does not capture what i'm feeling right now about this. >> it really feels like incompetence. you know, i think -- i agree with the president, i agreed with president trump, we need to get back to protecting american people here in the homeland, rebuilding infrastructure, re-building our manufacturing, really rebuilding our country after 30 years of neglect. but at the same time, we can't forget we have americans on the ground in afghanistan. >> laura: general spalding, we knew you'd make sense of it

forced on it, thank you so much. and our americans starting to get buyers remorse? and can old job recuperate from his self-inflicted wounds? posters john mclaughlin and robert holly break down the latest polls. you won't believe these numbers, next.

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♪ ♪ >> so you don't think this could have been handled -- this exit could've been handled better in any way, no mistakes? >> no, i don't think he could have been had the literal way -- we're going to go back in hindsight a look and the idea that somehow there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, i don't know how that happens. >> laura: it doesn't matter whether you agree with biden's decision to pull our troops out of afghanistan are not. i do agree with that, but the idea that there was no way to handle this better? none? this is the essence of joe biden. he doesn't know what he's doing as my angle noted last night. the truth is the ruling class hated trump so much that to rid themselves of him, they just kind of deluded themselves, everyone else, to conclude that joe biden was joe biden was with

it enough to stay calm, that he was some sort of foreign policy guru. it wrong. but he was passionate and bipartisan. wrong. that he was smart. oh, boy, that was wrong. but now reality has hit the sack mike country like a sack of bricks and has president joe biden's approval rating? dropped by seven points. last friday lowest level of his presidency after the afghanistan debacle of course. a new rasputin poll finding that just 30% of likely voters would now vote to reelect biden. the question becomes can biden's presidency withstand what are ultimately a whole bunch of self-inflicted wounds? here now is trump 2020 campaign poster john maclachlan and robert. john, are we finally seeing a bit of buyer's remorse here?

>> absolutely. and it already started sliding in may and june because of the economy, the people thought it was going to get worse then get better for the first time all year we found that in our polling but i tell you what, we are finding focus groups now i'm a people do not think this is a withdrawal from afghanistan. they think this is a surrender. so this is -- the media is still being kind to biden. they are calling it a surrender because he is still getting good coverage from a lot of the corporate left-wing media. but let me tell you, his numbers are taking a hit and 62% of the voters that we asked before he gave up afghanistan think that he's not going to finish the term. they think kamala harris is going to be president within four years, so they already had doubts about his stamina and his capacity in his ability to just serve four years. >> laura: robert, i want to get to a new poll, that you found that democrats and independents disapprove of biden's handling of afghanistan.

overall 69.3% of americans disapproved that includes 48.2% of democrats and 74% of independents. robert, and this is with most of them agreeing with the actual withdrawal of troops, but the way it was done and actually the media slightly telling the truth this time, the camera doesn't lie. it is that the difference here? >> it really is. part of it is there's been this understanding that people haven't blamed him for every thing because they really didn't think he was in charge. we did another poll that showed 50/50 7% of the public don't actually believe biden is in charge but in this debacle he went on television and said hey, it's all my fault and that it has certainly had an impact. i mean, even though he finished the statement of it's my fault by trying to blame others, you know, this thing was sloppy, it was this lobbyist brain surgery with a steak knife and he has to own it now and it's being held

against him in a bigger way than anything he's done so far has been. >> laura: john, i also have to believe that this refusal to take questions -- a pivotal time in american military history, really with this debacle in afghanistan, then running as he did twice this week away from reporters. they are shouting at him, not a question, and then sending out the two generals who just don't reassure anybody about anything. that whole confidence thing i think people hoped for for biden, that's out the window. >> absolutely, that's why a quarter that number to you where majority of americans don't think is going to serve the term, but i tell you what, i have clients and democracies in europe and other places and when biden was elected president, they felt they were going it alone. they felt that they had lost the leadership of the united states because they knew it was going to be weak and biden has not disappointed them.

>> laura: great to see you both tonight, thank you so much. okay, there have been a lot of outrageous developments over the past few weeks, but biden's callous disregard for u.s. assets -- i'm talking physical human assets, all that stuff that's been left behind in afghanistan, that is really infuriating. now, with the disastrous planning and withdrawal strategies, the biden white house, they simply abandoned the u.s. embassy in kabul. that gives the taliban a state-of-the-art building that all told cost our taxpayers a staggering $1.5 billion according to forbes. that doesn't even include how much money it took to operate it over the last 20 years. but remember, democrats, they never worry about stuff like that. >> it's a building. it you know? it's a building. let's point out, by the way, we've still got about 6,000 troops on the ground at kabul

international airport. they have to stay there until we get all american personal out there safely, also as many afghan partners out of there as possible. i don't feel strong emotions about the embassy. >> laura: no one is saying a building is more important than a human, but it's a big cost to the taxpayer. it's this ridiculous dismissiveness. it reminds me of the minneapolis mayor's response, or member during the riots? the george floyd rights when they lost a building that i think it's fairly important to the safety of its own residents. >> the symbolism of a building cannot outweigh the importance of life. the building is just bricks and mortar. it's a building. >> laura: it happened to be the third police precinct, really important to the safety of the community. he didn't care. so losing wars, botching missions, both have huge consequences but most liberals don't even care.

not even, by the way, when it ends up that americans get killed. >> with all due respect, the fact is we have four dead americans. was it because of protests are guys out for a walk decided they would go kill some americans. what difference at this point does it make? >> laura: it made a difference because we want to know why the americans died. and actually does matter. the bottom line is democrats care more about the well-being of noncitizens, the safety of migrants and refugees, everybody wants everybody to be safe but american citizens, you bet first. the well wishes that we have for people in need read we are americans, of course we do, but americans first and foremost because that's the duty of our politicians. now, remember though, deep down, liberals think america is racist and wicked and can only really be fixed after it's completely transformed. that means you got to bring in new people. joining me know is kurt schlichter, retired army infantry colonel and author of

"the split." the last -- there's just so fanatical about their agenda. they don't really think all that much about the collateral damage, their misdeeds and mismanagement both cause. >> laura, it's not important to them. it doesn't matter at all. it's literally not a consideration. that's why when you're arguing with some of these fanatical liberals, you know, you will offer facts and evidence and it just goes off with her heads because all they care about is their own power. anything they can say or do to increase their own power they will say -- so one day -- defund the police. that doesn't work, now they are fund the police and we were always for funds the police and oceana was always at war with eurasia. you can't reason with these people. >> laura: one of the things they think will end up maybe

curing america -- because we have to be cured of our evil -- this is what the far left believes -- is that we need to bring in people from other countries who are just better than average -- better than the average trump supporter, and that includes tens of thousands of refugees that they end up i guess vetting and we are supposed to trust them. watch. >> we need to make sure that every one of those individuals that we know put their lives on the line are out. if that means we have to stay longer, in my estimation, we should do that. that even if we have to bring more troops in to make sure that we can get them out safely, we need to do that. >> laura: the dems want to risk american lives on the ground for longer in afghanistan for refugees who may not even be refugees, some of them are emma but we don't know if all of them are.

everyone who ever worked for an american contractor as a driver, everyone of of those people qualify for special immigrant visas now? is that the new rule? >> you know, laura, we could have figured it out. i mean, we had a long time where we had a president who knew what he was going to do. in fact he increased the time to do it and you would think that a superpowers government would have the capacity to go through and screen people and decide yes, this is a person who risked his life for americans we are going to take care of him and this is a guy who we don't trust buried >> laura: there's not a lot of vetting going on at the gates of the airport. who is checking authenticity of documents? absurd. great to see you as always. you remember the great restaurants of new orleans, great independence ball restaurants? well, guess what? they are up in arms over the latest mandates, the mayor there, for covid, covid vaccines. our own raymond arroyo hit the

streets there and he's going to tell us why some of the local businesses are in revolt. raymond on the road is next.

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♪ ♪ >> good evening and welcome to fox news live, i'm jackie ibanez in new york. an internal state department memo reportedly warned kabul could collapse shortly after the u.s. troop withdrawal. according to "the wall street journal," biden administration officials were warned last month that the taliban's advance was imminent and that afghanistan's military may be unable to stop it. the memo also reportedly called for the state department to use tougher language to describe atrocities committed by the taliban. if president biden will speak about the of actuation operation in afghanistan tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. eastern. meanwhile, a man claiming to have a bomb in his truck near the u.s. capitol surrendered after an hour long standoff. a law enforcement did not find a bomb in the vehicle but say they collected possible bomb making

materials. so far no word on a possible motive. i'm jack avon has, now back to "the ingraham angle." for all of your headlines, log on to foxnews.com. ♪ ♪ >> laura: we've got new york, with got l.a. and now the city of new orleans is under a vaccine mandate courtesy of mayor latoya control the mandate, local businesses are in reach, our own raymond arroyo went down to new orleans for the support. >> this is of course the epicenter of tourism in the heart of new orleans economy. but the vaccine mandate requires anyone going to a bar or restaurant or concert venue to show proof of vaccination. the mayor says this is not a burden at all, in fact she's done it herself. >> we found ourselves leaders in the united states of america. look for your vaccination card

and be prepared to show it. you know, i tested this out myself on saturday i believe and no problem. i was proud, i had my card laminated, bam, pulled it out, and then a friend who i was with, she had her l.a. wallet emma bam, pulled it out, and we had a great time dining. >> but some restaurant tours we spoke with in town finding the mayor's vaccine mandate less than great. >> got to tell you, brother, if i could retire right now, i am mentally done. i am tired. but i can't. >> scott craig is the owner and proprietor of katie's, which he's run since 1993. how difficult has this vaccine mandate then on your business here? i know lunch is a big part of your income. >> extremely difficult. we are 50% off right now. or more.

this dining room would be full right now. >> i think people are going to [indiscernible], which is right across the canal where they don't have to worry about this. >> here we are on an island having to carry the burden for the whole state and in that regard, i think it's wrong. it is -- it's killing us. >> owner of the vet -- the vaccine that it has impacted his business as well. >> i think we're going to lose a significant piece of business to jefferson parish. >> the customers i katie's work divided. >> i feel more comfortable knowing that there are things in place for our safety. >> this is the slowest three weeks we've ever seen in the last six months. >> she owns an art gallery in the french quarter. she's also a republican running for mayor of new orleans.

>> i feel as if a leadership thinks outside the box and what she's doing is taking a coward approach to a global pandemic, global problem but it's affecting her whole community and now it's really affected the business community. >> no matter the fallout, mayor cantrell is promising immediate looked closer of any business that fails to comply with her vaccine mandate. >> this will go into effect on monday and we will begin aggressive enforcement actions the following week. >> i would like to see aggressive enforcement happen. >> and independent running for mayor and the owner of a jim in midcity. >> we have a pandemic of crime going on in this city that's been happening for the last -- i mean, they have been running rampant and there's been no aggressive enforcement of crime. businesses that are suffering that are just trying to open and see the families, you're just going to aggressively a force those people when you can't protect the citizens -- that doesn't make sense to me.

it's a gross mismanagement of resources. >> we are down 500 police officers and rhyme has been the highest it's ever been in the last 45 years. last year alone we lost over $5 million in just police enforcement. >> it's not only covid keeping tourists away, but also crime keeping our tourists away too. >> restaurant owners are deeply concerned about the long-term impact of the vaccine mandate. >> only time will tell, but this is going to set the hospitality industry back quite a bit. i'm not sure that all restaurants that have survived are going to be able to survive this because honestly, brother, this is worse. >> laura: raymond arroyo joins us now. what are people doing in response to this mandate? >> so many restaurant owners i spoke with were afraid to appear out of fear that the mayor's office would retaliate. that should not be. they are the heart of this

economy and major restaurants tell me since this policy kicked in, half of their reservations have been canceled. half. i know that a group of business leaders met today to discuss a lawsuit against the city and the state and there was a march organized by protesters over the mandate, but whether this will have any effect, laura, who knows. >> laura: those independent restaurants in new york have filed a lawsuit, so people want -- people want -- people want fairness, this is just a joke. raymond, thanks. new findings from oxford university cast out on the effectiveness of the vaccine mandates that are being pushed by the left. dr. harvey has some reaction next. this isn't just freight. these aren't just shipments. they're promises. promises of all shapes and sizes. each with a time and a place they've been promised to be. a promise is everything to old dominion, because it means everything to you.

♪ ♪ >> laura: okay, everyone is supposed to get a booster shot. biden has talked about it, fauci has said how important it is, private businesses in cities across the country are mandating vaccines, but now a new study out of the university of oxford is showing that vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections carry just as much of the delta variant virus as the unvaccinated. what does this mean? joining me now is dr. harvey rich, epidemiologist professor.

it's good to see you tonight. so the regular person who doesn't read all these studies are focused on all the new medical data, they are hearing that they now have to go out and get the third shot and they have to get it at a particular time frame after i guess the last shot and yet now they are reading that people with the vaccine who have these infections are carrying in norma's amount of virus and i guess than transmitting the virus to others and their still having to wear masks and all the other things, all the other restrictions. so what's the point if this is the study is correct about the viral load's? >> good to talk to you, laura. the study is correct about the viral load's, but the gist of the study is talking about what happens to the person who gets vaccinated not transmitting the virus, and our questions mostly

for government policies, mandates, and things like that, concerned risks of transmission, and what this study shows is it suggests that risk of transmission in vaccinated people are not substantially different today with the delta variant then risks in unvaccinated people, and that's a big and important difference than what we've been led to believe. we want the vaccines to reduce risks to individuals to lessen the severity, lessen the risk of infection, but as a society, we want the vaccines to reduce the risk of transmission, and we are not seeing that. >> laura: well, the good news is that the elderly do seem to get -- especially the elderly do seem to get a benefit on the hospitalization front, other vulnerable people but when we were initially hearing about the new vaccines, we did understand that they had more of a neutralizing effect on the virus, correct, or am i misremembering that?

>> yes, they were more effective at that time because we were dealing with the original strain in the u.k., the alpha strain, those are now mostly long gone in the last month or so, with at the delta strain, which is different enough that the antibodies that the vaccines make are not as capable as they would have been for the original strains and in fact these vaccines are becoming obsolete as more and more changes to the virus occurs. >> laura: one more question. now it looks like they are mandating that children as young as 12 get the vaccine in certain school systems, the culver city school system in california, a lot of parents there who for whatever reason have their issues with the vaccine are up in arms. your brief comment on that? >> the parents are right. there's rationale for vaccinating children will largely do not transmit the

virus to adults to teachers and so on. there's no logical reasoning for that and [indiscernible] that we don't know what's going to happen for children who will have to live their whole lives having been vaccinated with an unknown quantity is just too big and uncertainty for too little benefit. >> laura: doctor, good to see her tonight. and when we come back, a very special ingram angle announcement. next.

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