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company-owned in kayleigh mc enany, and in the center seat today, are you fleischer, former white house press secretary in fox news contributor. it's going to be another busy hour here on foxboro to president biden insisting we ca evacuate thousands of americans and allies from afghanistan by august 31st. at the same time, he is asking for contingency plans. just in case things go south. as the exact number of american who need to be rescued from afghanistan up until now are being in maybe he will tell as. that's footwear into his abating . the military authority withdraw more than 400 american troops and made concerns of a possible isis threat at the airport. all of this as the taliban is telling afghan civilians to sta home out of the way it reportedly sealing of the airport to people now.
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this is conditions on the groun as worsening. afghans desperate to escape, ar now said to be wading through sewage as they wait for their turn to be airlifted out there and a short time ago the pentagon held in update on afghanistan suggesting that onc we are out, we won't be coming back. >> do you have an agreement wit any needle allies to keep the airport open after the u.s. military pulls out? >> when the mission is over, th airport won't be the united states response ability anymore. >> president biden getting some serious serious pushback from all sides of the political aisle . >> the deadline is when the mission is accomplished we can bring our people home. for a. >> it's the most dishonorable thing the commander-in-chief
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commander-in-chief as done in modern times. there is no way we will get all the american citizens out with only thousands of afghans who fought along our side behind an we are setting the table for th rise of isis and al qaeda to attack as down the road. >> i don't think this will be accomplished by august 31st. we want to encourage the president in the strongest term to reconsider that deadline. >> this will be a big deal for decades. it will be one of the worst catastrophes in american foreig policy history. ari fleischer south mall didn't just took a trip, he was one of the two people and authorized t go into afghanistan yesterday with republican representative meyer. seth moulton, that high profile name is saying there is no way were going to get everybody out we simply will leave americans behind. there is not just a little bit
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against the president of the united states, its a while. >> there is a lot. adding to that list, your right to mention seth moulton. also adam schiff, he is saying it's unlikely, adam smith also democrat says it's very unlikely . kevin mccarthy, l possible way . brad jerman, a present saying you're not quite get everybody out and this is just handful of people acknowledging reality. on friday, he looked into the camera in made the commitment quote we will get you home to america. he went even further and said quote, we are making the same commitment too. that was friday he'll be out this week in that commitment ha gone by the wayside. there is no transparency here i the meantime as you watch the pentagon rethink, they have a detailed percentage list of the members of our military who are vaccinated point by point, branch by branch, but they can still not tell us the number of
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americans caught in afghanistan. it is as stunning communication catastrophe all the way across from the pentagon come into the state department right on down to the white house. >> i want to drill down on that a bit because when people leave the country they have to flash their passports. how in the world can we not kno which americans are over there in afghanistan. it's not like it's a tourist destination in the pandemic and people are trying to sneak to get their. >> we've got a couple of dishes different issues going on. number one, you would think in the months leading up to this withdrawal since the president announced it in april, that we would have started pulling thos together and getting those. one thing we rely on is the safe , the system where people are supposed to register with the u.s. embassy so they know they are there. so you've got one problem in that they should have been done. in the next we will see what secretary blinken says in the next hour is if they can get
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that number to us. this is not the first time that we have had to evacuate americans out of a crisis. last year, during covid, when the world shutdown in commercia airliners shut down, mike pompe in his state department, we had to evacuate in repatriate almos 100,000 americans from around the world. this is a huge logistical feet, so it's unfortunate that the state department can do this, they are the capabilities, but they have to have the right political leadership in place. secretary pompeo empowered our undersecretary who is essentially the fuel of the state department to get this done in he put people directly reporting to him who would be responsible for getting the 100,000 americans home. why has secretary blinken still not done that. where is the point of failure a the state department? is anyone in this entire administration going to be held accountable for this debacle?
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i don't think they're going to fire anybody. >> i hope if secretary blinken starts to take questions, that they are tougher on him than they did in that previous pentagon briefing that we got o like to ask questions on the same thing in we have given all of those details. general griffin was trying for fox news, others in the room were trying, but they simply, their goal today was seen with major general, just don't make any headlines. just you know, keep the line tight right now. it's a very military thing to d right now. i want to get to this before i come to you, we have two republican congressmen on last hour, one was the first elected to congress from the state of florida. and also, the chairman the ranking member of the house foreign affairs mike mccall of texas. here they are now. >> now with the president deciding that is the date for
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the military to get completely out great when i say there's going to be blood on his hands, people will die is a result of this decision. >> we are on the cusp of having the biggest mass hostage situation in american history. it's going to make 1979 in tehran look like a sleepover. you're going to have thousands of americans left behind that the taliban will then have for leverage when they want international recognition, they want money, they want economic assistance in they've got a gun to the head of american citizen because joe biden left them. >> i just want to say this too, ari about congressman walz, he did some time is an elite beret special forces officer in afghanistan, so he knows the la of the land. he knows the taliban. your reaction to some of what you just heard?
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[inaudible] >> we are having some technical issues with ari fleischer's microphone. >> can you hear me now? >> go ahead. b2 and wanted to get your reaction. your words are too important to skip so we can't do you again. we want to hear your reaction. >> what i was saying is i have heard criticism of president often in my life, but what is s different now is when you liste to the tome of their voice, whether it's a democrat or republican, especially a veteran , they are so scared of things they can go wrong becaus this is so perilous. joe biden, his judgment in the accuracy of his words.
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here is his hearers. is a problem. last week he became before the american people instead americans were not having difficulty getting to the airport when of course they were . he said there's no al qaeda in afghanistan one of course there is. he said he wasn't being criticized by foreign leaders when he was. and now this week he says were on track to get everybody out. after having said that all americans will be brought out and all the afghans that want t be brought out too. can we rely on joe biden when h doesn't know what's going on? this is why people have the edg to them, this is why it is so perilous because it appears the president of the united states is not in connection with peopl on the ground is just speaking in wearing rose-colored glasses in a time when we need realism. you turn on the tv and you realize how perilous it is for the people trying to get to the airport. >> some of what they've told us ari, and this started with the
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president in then spread to the pentagon in then jen psaki, and it's these words, for every american who wants to come home we will get you home. if you can't get to that airport , how are you going to read a woman or a man's heart, you can't even get them to the airport. it so disingenuous, he's talkin to us as though we're stupid. at least were in a safe space, right? we are in a studio somewhere, these are hearing the same disingenuous words, and it must feel like hate to them. >> and we are focused on, everything you said is valid. but it's not as if everybody is just in the one place where they're happens to be an airport . when jen psaki yesterday was saying this was going to be the largest evacuation in our history, that's because it's been the largest evacuation of
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people in our history. the only reason we have to evacuate people is because we abandoned them. the proper way to do it is for people to get commercial flight over the last couple of months in there'd be nobody left to evacuate. it should be the smallest evacuation in history if it was done while. it's only going to be a significant evacuation because it was done so poorly. >> did you see the video of the people standing outside the gates of the airport? it is so hard to watch. that is pure sewage that people are standing in part it's a sho just before this one. they are standing in sewage. or doing whatever it takes to get an. i had a former army ranger interpreter on with me just a few minutes before "outnumbered started. he's worried so much about his family. he got out, but he's got to get them out now. can you imagine standing in tha trying to get out? you're getting sick just trying to save your life because lord knows what's in that water.
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>> this is tragedy upon tragedy. i think the worst part for me i the notion that this was in som way preventable. the notion that if there was some modicum of actual leadership from our commander-in-chief, actual transparency, if there was an ability to listen to the multitudes of plans submitted t him across the government by veterans, by the state department, by the department o defense, and more, that there would be a more seamless transition, a better extraction than the absolute surrender and abandonment we've seen up until now. i do like to hear more from morgan on this. you touched on such a valuable point that is in the refusal to delegate any type of responsibility or power, that i why everything is benching at the top. we are hearing from all aspects out the government in again wit ordinary americans seeing we have a chartered flight, we hav everything available, but were missing a permit to land for example.
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we're hearing from congressman gallagher, why do we keep surrendering our power to the executive branch. we have more power, let's pass legislation in get these americans and allies and home. what is your insight that we're seen, the bunching at the top i an absolute loss of life? quickie just quickly i think whenever you have a lots of people in charge, you have no one in charge. one of the things that congress will need to get to the bottom of is where is the point of failure at the state department? why weren't these applications being processed. what happened between april and august? that's going to be the crucial question. under mike pompeo, he made to the people were appointed to positions, they were in charge and they were held accountable. trust may have been in the room when he's held people accountable. to get a have one question. is someone lying to us about what's happening on the ground and who is making the decisions
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to do so. if the president can honestly say in mean that he doesn't kno about the dangers on the ground outside that airport in how deadly it's going to be when ou american military pulls out. if they are not telling him, that is one thing, but if they are not telling him so that we aren't told, that is a lie, and we can't accept that. coming up, secretary of state anthony or blinken's, but to speak on the crisis in afghanistan. we will have their marks for yo when they begin. plus critics going after openin up his speech with his domestic agenda all about spending instead of what's going on in afghanistan and for ignoring reporters questions on the topic . yet again he did the walk away. >> thank you. >> did sanctions come up at all in the g7 meeting?
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>> the progress we're making on the build back better agenda here at home. to win the future, we need to take the next step today the house of representatives did just that. today's vote in the house allowed them to consider my build back better and i want to thank speaker pelosi who was masterful. let me now turn to afghanistan. yesterday he opened his remarks with his domestic spending rather than the chaotic situation unfolding in afghanistan. critics are slamming the president at a minimum as tone deaf. it took a more than five minute to make that turn and start talking about the afghanistan crisis. at the end of the rest of the 1 minute speech, reporters including our own peter ducey
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try to ask questions, but the president left them hanging for the second day in a row. >> thank you. >> mister president can you guarantee every american will b out before the troops leave? >> are you going to have the g7 meeting. what you make of his and refusa to engage with reporters in who is advising him on his silence? >> first and foremost on the bringing up the budget that the big spending budget that the democrats passed, i get it, i'm not criticizing him for that freight as a republican, i'm focused on afghanistan i oppose what he's doing with domestic spending, but he has a democratic audience who doesn't want to talk about afghanistan and wants to hear about their spending bill getting past, so expect the print he's not only speaking today he's speaking to the base of his party. as far as the questions, that can be understandable he's not
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done a good job answering questions. when he takes questions, he trips up and gets himself into more trouble with more contradictions from doj and others who actually know what the ground truth is. so sometimes staff says to the president, we have to take questions today, just take a couple and other days they say get your message out, get the headline you want, and walk awa don't take any questions that will knock you off message. i'm not going to criticize him, that's what the white house is due. >> we have a house minority leader who did criticize the president for this and he also brought up our credibility on the world stage. he said essentially in response to the fact that this is a nato mission, and there are other countries begging as to extend the deadline passed august 31st who expect their citizens safel as well. we will get a shot of this and get your thoughts on the other side. think he's ruined her reputatio on the world stage. i think he's allowing the taliban to direct our reputation , but more importantly
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our foreign policy. when you have countries such as the uk and france that are in afghanistan for only one reason that america was attacked, that are begging us to extend the deadline passed the 31st so the can get their citizens out, tha the president sides with the taliban because they told taliban told him when? that is a sad day for america. >> i love ari, i think he is brilliant. i disagree with him on criticizing the president about not taking questions yesterday bright i can sort of understand that early on when you're makin an important speech, but this isn't a speech about just infrastructure spending or even booster shots and covid, things that are all important. we're in the middle of an international crisis. where in the middle of potentially thousands of americans allies being left there, this is the worst catastrophe that i have seen on
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the international stage in my entire national security career. you have to answer questions when that happens. if your not up to the job or capable of doing it, you shouldn't be the president. i think in the next election, i three years, when we go to choose another president. we should make sure to actually ask questions of these candidates. they should not be able to campaign from the basements, they should be held accountable. this is what happens when ever you don't require anything of presidential candidate during a election. >> and this is inevitably catastrophe for years to com organ, i agree with you entirel on this. in that covid error, there was tough days but president trump went to the microphone every da in told the american people where he stood, what his policies were, what his thinkin was. there were days when it was tough. there were days when dr. fauci
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almost relished contradicting the united residents of the united states, but he went to the microphone because that's what people deserve. to hear from their commander-in-chief commit durin the covid 19 pandemic. joe biden simply won't do that and there are going to be to defining images i believe they come out of this. number one, the afghan paying for planes as we see a u.s. military plane take off and afghans falling to their deaths tragically. in joe biden turning his back o the american people and making that disastrous decision to go in delaware instead of staying in the situation room where he should have been and going to the podium with whoever he wanted to take and addressing what is undoubtedly an international crisis. >> you know what i love about lead kayleigh just said. she started off with two things but she couldn't stop there. you couldn't stop it two things because there's so many on that
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list it's hard to pick two of the worst ones that we've seen just recently by this president. this is about leadership. it's not about personal what we think of him. that this is, a new usa today suffolk university poll shows just 41 percent of people in this country approve of their president's job in office. 55 percent disapprove. that is a falling stone. and if you knew the same thing every day in the result gets yo worse and worse and worse with the one thing that matters, the people who voted in trying to win over some of those folks wh may be didn't vote for you by the kind of job you do just showing what you can do commit then you have to change course. all that would mean in this particular conversation in instance is if he would just turn around. he tried a little bit of that the other day. him i mean turnaround at the lectern, but your arms on it in
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don't let go until the question stop. that would be a great moment. it might turn some of those polls around but more importantly maybe we would get some truths. >> you mentioned the afghans falling from the plane, we've learned that one of them was an afghan that fell to his death was a member of the afghanistan national youth soccer team. his nickname windshield because the ball couldn't get by him. tragedies upon tragedies are heartbreaking in as a wall street journal editorial board rights, president biden might forget the last two weeks, but america will not. he is now facing pushback for his handling of afghanistan, bu some critics are not surprised by his response coming up, a look at his disastrous foreign policy track record. stay with us.
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are questioning how the president can effectively negotiate on iran giving his decades of failed foreign polic among them his handling of the iraqi troop withdrawal which le to the rise of isis, even forme defense secretary robert gates is blasting his former vpn 2014 memoir, he praised biden as a man of integrity, but then adds i think he's dead wrong on nearly every foreign policy in national security issue over th past four decades. in gates, only reaffirmed that assessment in 2019. >> would he be ineffective commander-in-chief? >> i don't know. i stand by that statement, we disagree significantly on afghanistan and some other issues. i think as i say elsewhere in the memoir, i think that the vice president had some issues with the military.
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>> you think? morgan, this compares the obama biden record in syria, libya, iraq, and afghanistan to that o president trump he secured afghanistan with only 2500 soldiers there. got rid of isis in syria and iraq, there is really no comparison as biden tries to blame president trump amid this catastrophe. >> one of the things i talked about on hannity last night is that i think that president biden in his team don't fundamentally understand what w mean when we talk about negotiating from a position of strength. if you look at adam bohler for example who was on fox in friends this morning, if you look at secretary pompeo and others, when those men who we'r empowered by president trumka met when they were in the room with the taliban and talk to them this is after we talk out the largest terrorist in iran for example. whether it's dealing with the
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taliban in afghanistan or whether it's dealing with the chinese communist party, it doesn't matter, or the russians whomever it may be. when you do things, when you make policy decisions that i think are in effect content titillating to your adversaries they smell that weakness. so whenever you allow the russians to build the pipeline without sanctions, the russians go okay, we know where the red line is, right? and you will go through example after example what all of these things have been common. we are talking about potentiall removing sanctions from all of these situations have been common that i think fundamentally they are uncomfortable with the idea of american strength in american presence on the world stage and using that american power in those negotiations, you have to be able to do that if you want to be effective. to get there is no doubt about
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that. speedier, you were in the bush white house in the iraq war, biden reportedly was instrumental in those disastrou decisions that led to the destabilization of iraq. >> i want to add one point to what morgan said, don't forget president trump also dropped th largest bomb in other than a nuclear bomb on on the taliban. it is true. joe biden oversaw the withdrawa of troops in afghanistan in learn the lessons. this is the group that they called jv instead they were deadly killers, and thank goodness donald trump was successful in taking them mostl out of the middle east. robert gates, former secretary in that clip you played put his finger on the core issue when h said biden has some issues with the military, biden advised barack obama that the military was trying to jam him on
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afghanistan or tie his hands to make choices so he had to leave the troops there. what joe biden has always wante to be is bug out biden. he didn't care what advice he heard from anybody anywhere, he had been there longer than people, he had a son who served in was tragically killed, he wanted to get the troops out in he wouldn't listen to anybody about how, when, where, or why. so he set an arbitrary date. the worst arbitrary date you could said, september 11th. that should be a day of mournin in remembering and comfort for the families. that should never have been mad as an arbitrary date to pull ou our troops. joe biden has stuck to it and now we have to live with it. >> i think through all of this we have learned just how stubborn president joe biden is. coming up come up more stories emerging on women in afghanista being mistreated. with a female journalist there
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>> as the taliban strengthened its grip on afghanistan, more stories of oppression against women emerged. despite the taliban saying they were going to be kinder in gentler. >> will women in afghanistan have access to things like secondary education? >> yes. sake and edge cajun and higher education committee and spread. >> in terms of their place in society, will they be considere equal? >> yes, they can have access to work very and have jobs. >> however, women in afghanista are telling a different story. one female journalist there tells fox news, she fears for her life in was forced to go into hiding.
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>> if they find me, they will kill me. they can't track me per the taliban can't track me down, they can search for me, they ca find me. i don't know how long i can do this because i've already been to my family members houses. i can put more people in danger because of me. they are taken for the people who always talked against them. and for me i was one of the people and i was one that talke about the taliban in the media because if they did to the wome what they did to the innocent people and afghanistan. >> that was exclusive footage. morgan, your thoughts? >> i just come at my heart goes out to them. i don't know how longer she can go from address to address to address, it's really people lik that, the faces and the voices of the people that we are leaving behind.
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think it's important for us to look at that and know that our decisions have ramifications in consequences. not that we could have stayed i afghanistan forever. again it's about the execution of the drawdown in the withdrawal that have left so many people in perilous conditions like this brave woman . the one thing i would say is that the women who are working adults in afghanistan right now they are not the same women tha was there when they were in charge great i've seen pictures of them protesting despite the fact that the taliban is out in force. there is a lot of brave in courageous women there i was in afghanistan in 2017 speaking to a conference of female entre nous arts in afghanistan. these women are made of tough stuff, and we could learn a thing or to about feminism from them. >> morgan is exactly right. these women fear losing their livelihoods or in some cases even their lives. i saw a picture of three afghan journalists sitting in a room
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and they said imagine we fill our whole lives, we built this whole career in it's just crumbling before us. i saw that image of them sittin there during their peace their back together and in the worst case, women fear losing their lives. a group of 40 women tried to board charter flight carrying balloons that said ukraine on i hoping that it would separate them out from the throng trying to flee the country. one woman crawling through as sewage pipe to get to the airport these are women who hav fear in their hearts. i agree they are models of feminism, but such fear in thei hearts that they would climb through a sewage pipe, it's an absolute tragedy that that country is going to go back to taliban rule. >> ari, the worst thing imaginable is sometimes as a mother, father, a parent, what you imagine being done to your child or what the future looks like for your daughter. >> or for your baby that you hand over a wall to a marine.
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think about that. one of the things president bus i know is most proud of when i was working for him was the situation for women in how it brightened, how nations have ar many ways measured by how they treat women. it's a historical fact, a successful free democratic peaceful nations treat women equally and well. just today we saw that the taliban ordered men to return t work at banks in afghanistan because they're worried about the economy in the availability of cash. they didn't say people, they sa justman. i did stop asking the taliban spokesman questions, it is meaningless, it doesn't matter, it's only what they do. >> the american university therefore girl started by laura bush, they have been asked to their identities as women go into country there in the futur remains uncertain at best and
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dismal in reality likely. >> i think the point that ari brings up is important because they will be thirsty for cash, all sorts of problem for the taliban's in terms of their money situation, so when the person said yeah, he asked are they going to be equal, yes, they can have a job, they can have work, they may not be publicly saying that they want women to work, but they are going to need to basically have people to keep that economy going. low on the totem pole is for women. that cash will take everybody. it doesn't bode well for those women though. >> exactly right. as the deadline looms, to leave afghanistan, in new un report says the taliban makes millions of money through the illegal drug and opium trade. what the u.s. has done to try t stop it.
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all joining us. i'm john roberts joined sandra smith and me at the top of the hour for "america reports." we will see you then. >> the taliban is the world's largest opiate supplier in as the u.s. shifts out of afghanistan for good, the drug trade is expected to once again be the taliban's go to source o income. the united nations estimates that the money generated annually will between $300,000,001.6 billion, most of which comes from drugs. according to one report, the united states unsuccessfully focused on dismantling the taliban drug empire with airstrikes and rates, testing the u.s. more than $8 billion over 15 years. morgan, your thoughts on this? to get the taliban does make a lot of money off of the drug trade of poppy because it's eas for them and that's one of the reasons we were unsuccessful many times in our narcotics efforts because it's a crop eas
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for them to grow in sell. one of the things though that w were trying to do again, we hav talked about this is we tried t bring the taliban to the table with the government of afghanistan and say look, there can be many other economic projects and a joint divided government. obviously we handed over the handover to the biden ministration in that didn't work . while the poppy trade is lucrative from them, there are actually things that china and russia are much more interested in afghanistan, and that is rare-earth in minerals very china has been involved in thes mines because of the security situation, they haven't been able to extract the type of value that many people around the world think are in those minds, but this is one of the things you should watch for is due the chinese now that they recognize the taliban, are they able to make significant improvements in those mines. this second thing to watch for, we ever estimate the government of a chemist in has about $9 million reserve currency in
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the united states for a congres should immediately put in legislation to block the taliba to have access to those funds. the third thing you should watc for, russia and china at the united nations will likely try through the security council to get rid of some of the sanction that are on the taliban because they would like to recognize them as the legitimate government of afghanistan and i worry this administration is headed toward that as well. that is what is really lucrativ for the taliban in the long run. >> no doubt about it. look, ari, they have resorted two opioid, but they have found other criminal activities. kidnapping for ransom, as morga notes, enroll exley tatian amon other activities. >> does that it shock anybody that radical islamic b headers are going to violate economic rules of the world in trade in drugs? this has been a problem in
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afghanistan going back probably for almost a century. the illicit drug trade that comes from the poppy fields of afghanistan has long been a problem for the west and certainly the united states a more recent years, but they're never going to stop. i don't care who's in charge of afghanistan, that is when other cash crops and they're going to continue to make it and it's just one small sign of what is wrong with the taliban. >> absolutely. we know the numbers are up by 3 to go hot higher unfortunately. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. will bunker has the company's lowest rate in history. 2.25% with an apr of 2.48. save thousands every year. plus there's no money out of pocket and no up front fees. newday is holding the line on interest rates so every veteran family can save. call now.
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>> thank you. what happening in afghanistan i painful for gold goldstar families including this first o union was killed in april of 2007 in iraq, he was awarded th posthumous silver star in the bronze star with valor. his sister now runs the travis manion foundation in his honor. fox digital spoke with him abou the afghan withdraw in here is some of what she had to say. >> i'm sad for what's happening. i don't pretend to have all the answers, but i certainly feel w could have done this in a different way. i remain hopeful that we honor the commitments to bring our af going allies back, the commitment that was made to the when they stepped up to help us. we feel is a country if we do not own or the we made it.
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>> you know, it would be interesting to learn from it we don't need to be there with cameras, but to learn this president has been speaking wit goldstar families. may be he has. >> eyes hurt certainly hope he is. ari made a good point at the beginning of the show, there is a difference now to the voice o someone who has served in afghanistan. we pray for all of them during this devastating devastating time for our country particularly our servicemen in women. >> thanks everybody, "america reports" is now. >> thank you so much for the window for americans and afghan allies to escape the country is quickly closing. i'm john roberts in washington, good to see seal on this wednesday to. >> i am sandra smith in new york . the u.s. troop withdrawal underway at this hour
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