ways to avoid another incident. has that happened and if it's significantly been pushed back and what are you seeing in abbey gate? less people being allowed in? still a rush of people that could lead to a similar incident? what do you see today? >> what i can report as my discussion with commanders on the ground is that multiple activities are taken place to increase the force protection specifically in communication with the taliban of how they are executing their checkpoint operations and communication there. i would say there has been multiple -- i don't want to go into the details of exact what the communication but i know it's happened. what we've seen today is a little lessening of what we would say total capacity of people in and around gates.

>> thank you. as jen said isis since yesterday people were worried about everything about the taliban. they were psychologically a lot of situations the gates -- [inaudible] but since yesterday isis created afghan people are more worried. do you think that this -- [inaudible] and everybody now wants to leave the country because now is double. before was only taliban. now isis also show up one more time their activity. do you think that's another -- [inaudible] >> before i try to answer that question, i do want to take the opportunity on behalf of the department of defense to also make sure that we express our

condolences for the afghan people who suffered in yesterday's attack. we know that there were a number of killed and wounded afghan civilians at the airport and that there are families that are dealing with the same devastating, terrible news that now gold star families here in the department are dealing with. again on behalf of the secretary we offer our condolences, thoughts and prayers. i wish i had a crystal ball and know for sure what will happen in afghanistan. we don't. we obviously don't want to see the country torn asunder through civil war but that's why whatever the future of afghanistan is from a governance perspective we will stay engaged with the international community to make sure that afghanistan leaders are held to proper account for the way they are governing and

that afghanistan's neighbors also try to play a constructive, productive role in whatever the future of afghanistan is going to be. though we will not have a military presence there, the united states government will still want to see what we can do with the international community to make sure that afghans can have the best of all possible outcomes for their future. but i just -- i think it would be foolish for us to try to be too predictive about what is going to happen right now. >> you will change the policy to involved in afghanistan again? >> the commander-in-chief has made a very clear decision that it is time to end america's

involvement on the ground in the war in afghanistan. and we are going to execute that decision, as we should. david. >> for the record, would you clear up the confusion over the service affiliation of the dead? it sounds like we have a total number of 13. the break down in the 13 is a little unclear. marines say at this time 10. can you tell us what it is and then i have a question for the general. >> imnote able to break it down specifically right now, david. and i want to defer to the services to speak to their specific number of casualties. as you can imagine, they are having to make -- they are having to have difficult conversations with a number of families and we don't want to get ahead of that process.

i just -- i think on that one i would defer to the services. >> general, you didn't answer the question about whether the taliban have met general mckenzie's request to push the perimeter further out away from the airport. and he also said he was going to ask them to close some specific roads. >> bill: sorry, i know those -- just exactly what general mckenzie said are passed to those commanders with conversations to the taliban and other activities that will increase the security and the facilitation of those getting through. >> do you know if that has happened? >> the discussions? i cannot report at this point what actions the taliban have taken in the last. but i know that those

discussions are happening and have happened. >> i have to get to the phones a little bit here. laura, "politico". are you there, laura? okay. we'll come back to you. tony. >> yesterday the president said we are going to be in a circumstance where i believe numerous opportunities will continue to provide access for additional persons to get out of afghanistan. this is after the 31st. he said either through means that we provide or are provided through in cooperation with the taliban. can you give me a sense of the planning you are doing to take that direction to heart? and what are the military

implications of the president's desire for still removing people after the 31st? there will be continued talks with the taliban staging a force in the region to get more people out, etc. >> tony, i think my colleague at the white house and state department have addressed this question before. we -- the interagency, u.s. government will pursue a variety of ways to help any americans who want to get out after our military presence at the airport has ended to be able to help them get out. it is -- while afghanistan is a unique case, it is not completely separated from the larger effort that the united states government pursues all over the world when we know that americans are at special risk, we do what we can to get them out. that doesn't necessarily involve the united states military. so i am not going to -- certainly wouldn't speculate

one way or another what is going to happen after this particular mission ends. but i would not envision a significant military role in that effort going forward. >> back to what david was asking. is the u.s. military -- if the u.s. military knew there were improvements to be made such as closing roads and pushing the perimeter back further, why wasn't this discussion engaged in before the attack? why wasn't the point pressed and why weren't these improvements asked for by the taliban? because you are saying, general mckenzie was clear he is asking for this now. >> i tell you, from the very get-go even before we had specific threat assessment, force protection was of paramount importance to general

mckenzie, certainly to the secretary and i don't want to speak for the chairman but i think i can for general milley as well in this regard. i can tell you from the very beginning force protection was always at the front of everybody's mind. force protection as you well know in a dynamic environment is something that changes all the time. so as we got more information, we made adjustments to force protection measures to try to do the best we could at what we thought were the specific threats we were facing. you heard the general talk yesterday about even overwatch in the air. there was a lot of effort being done, which included as the general said, included daily communication with taliban about the nature of the threat and sharing with them the appropriate relevant information about what we knew. now, clearly all of that effort -- and there was a lot of effort -- clearly fell short in

some way because this attack was able to be perpetrated and we did suffer as well as our afghan friends suffered casualties. we will do the forensics on this, barb and try to figure out what went wrong. clearly something went wrong but it would be irresponsible if we didn't act immediately to just double down and make sure that we were -- that we were being as anticipatory as possible. we still believe there are credible and specific threats and we want to make sure we're prepared for those. i don't think and i'm sure you can understand that just by virtue of the fact that we may be taking other steps doesn't mean that they would have necessarily been the proper steps for what we saw yesterday. we have additional information

and so what i would tell you is what you are seeing us act on to the degree we can talk about it is based on information that we have. i think i will leave it at that. >> have you developed additional information since these attacks, do you still believe something is potentially imminent? >> i thought general mckenzie covered it very well with you yesterday. we certainly are prepared and would expect future attempts, absolutely. but i won't get into the specifics of what those are and why we're doing what we're doing. >> additional intelligence since the attack? >> again without talking to intelligence, we're monitoring these threats very, very specifically virtually in realtime. i think you can understand i won't get into more detail than that. >> two questions for general taylor. in the wake of the attacks,

have the u.s. commanders on the ground had improved communication with taliban commanders not only in improving security but potentially in getting siv applicants or afghans through the gate? secondly in the wake of the attack since isis is also a problem for the taliban, is there potential there to coordinate to actually target isis? >> so when we say improved communication i just want to -- i would answer that with we're continuing, you know, communication. improved, i would say every day that is improving because we have more repetitions and are able to continue to have open lines of communication. so the specificity of what is being passed back and forth tactically to allow for a better security environment i would say is improving because those repetitions are happening

and the understanding of the taliban of what needs to take place is being reinforced. and so i think yes, and then your second question of passing on specifics like what are we looking for here? what is the threat that we need you to look for? yes, that is absolutely being passed from the commanders on the ground to the taliban commanders to insure, as mr. kirby said, things like yesterday, we understand what to look for and understand what the threat is to try to prevent it. >> specifically to target isis? >> those isis threats that could come in. >> secondly, there was a secondary explosion later yesterday where u.s. forces were doing controlled detonations of equipment. can you talk about the type of equipment that is being destroyed and the wrote row grade so you don't have to fly it out so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands, either? >> the specifics of what type

of equipment was destroyed i don't have that. what we have said is that commander has the authority there to destroy equipment that they feel is responsible. so as we talked about controlled detonations, i think that was your specific question. that's what we call that a controlled detonation that could take place if the commander decided to destroy some type of equipment. >> i will only add as i mentioned earlier, lives will be the priority, tara, there will be -- you can expect that there will be other equipment and material things that will not be brought back with us. we will do it in a judicious way. some stuff will come back with us but for the aircraft that are departing as we get closer we want to prioritize passenger seats as much as possible. so you will continue to see

things disposed of in a responsible way as we get closer to the end of the mission. i think people would expect us to do that. >> what is the department's assessment of the capability of isis-k? is there a real concern they can use afghanistan to launch attacks against the united states post august 31st? >> they are a serious terrorist threat. that was brought home to us pretty stark ways yesterday. we take the threat very, very seriously. i don't want to -- i'm not going to speculate about future threats. what i will tell you the president has made this clear, the secretary has made it clear to the leadership at the pentagon that we are not going to allow attacks on the homeland to emanate from

afghanistan again like they did 20 years ago. we do have over the horizon counter terrorism capability to us to make sure that doesn't happen. i think i would leave it at that. >> do you believe the taliban can stand to isis-k, can defeat them? >> i think that the threat from isis is real and nobody wants to see that threat grow. i cannot speak, would not begin to speak for taliban capabilities or taliban intent. obviously there is significant animosity between these two groups and they don't share interests. but i am not -- it would be foolish for me to try to predict to the degree what operations the taliban may conduct against isis-k. all i can tell you is the direction this department has is to not allow attacks on the homeland to emanate from

afghanistan again and we are committed to that. as well as counter terrorism operations elsewhere around the world. the threat has metastasized outside afghanistan to other places where we also have to maintain a focus and degree of over the horizon counter terrorism capability. in the back there. >> two questions. first can you speak to any rescue operations that have happened since the attack? >> i don't think there has been -- you mean by rotary? nothing additional. >> second question more for the general. over the last five days we've seen from 89 to 94 flights leave kabul but we've seen somewhere between 12, 5 and 216. the number of evacuates nruk waits so much for the flights that remain relatively steady? >> i will break those in two bins. as you look at the u.s. flights, have stayed pretty steady, right in those numbers.

as other countries are coming in, they are evacuating certain numbers of where they are in their capability or requirement. so i have thif -- think that's where you have seen some of the differences in the outwar flow. you have to go back to 110,000 total. so as we started just under almost just a few weeks ago at zero to up 110,000 we would see some of those numbers start to come down. >> let me go back to the phones. sam. >> john, as part of the exit, is it the u.s. intention to leave a functioning airport with radars that work, computers that work? what's the obligation for what you all leave behind? >> airport is functioning, sam.

we'll need it to continue to function up until the very end. i think the general assumption is as we depart we'll need to depart from a functional, completely operational airport. it will be operational until we are gone. and as you probably heard secretary blinken say the other day we're working with the international community and several nations want to contribute to the effort to keep it operational and are willing to work with the taliban to that end. let them speak to that effort. >> taliban operations against isis aside, any future things, do you have any assessment of what isis fighters at the prisons that they may have taken action against or killed other than some of the ones that we know about? >> i cannot. >> is that something that's knowable that you guys have sought to find out and can't

find out? >> i don't know. i'm happy to take that question but i don't want to raise expectations on our level of the granularity of intelligence we may have gotten from these prison releases. i don't want to overpromise here. i'm happy to ask that question but i can't promise you a good answer. >> the 50,000 siv capacity. can you be them -- will the capacity beyond new jersey, virginia, texas, and wisconsin. >> i have think i added some extra facilities here today that i one is in new mexico, an air force base and two in virginia, quantico and fort picket. the secretary has been clear that if we need more, because the demand is there, we'll work with the states and we'll work with the services to identify

potential future u.s. military installations. those are the ones we're operating from now. >> currently the 14-step process to get an siv -- will there be a change of those processed, overseas and then brought to u.s. bases for final relocation? >> i honestly can't answer that question. that's for the state department. they run the siv process. not a department of defense equity. >> may have i ask -- thank you. sorry, next time i will bring more. president biden said that also -- let me -- president biden said also and general mckenzie

said yesterday that he had concern with the international partners. has he discussed about military options for international allies, what are the primary options? >> i can't speak for general mckenzie and the discussions other than what he said yesterday is, you have know, continuing to coordinate with all of our allies and partners that are helping us with this right now is extremely important. the ability to continue to synchronize the airlift that continues to come in and ensuring as timing goes forward it is all well planned together is extremely important. i have to turn it over and back to general mckenzie for any of those other specific questions.

>> what are the u.s. special -- for the allies and international partners. >> i'm sorry? >> what wishes. >> from the operational side just like i said earlier continue that support and the work together as we continue this mission forward is extremely important. thank you. >> can you follow up, sir, about something that gordon asked about. we've been hearing reports there have been some attacks by isis-k against taliban checkpoints in the city. are you seeing any evidence of attacks that isis-k is attacking the taliban checkpoints? >> i haven't seen those reports. >> can you give us any more clarification of the sharing of american citizens' information as well as siv information with the taliban? reports yesterday the u.s. officials were sharing that information. >> i don't think there is sharing information as you

would say in that question like we are giving information. what information is very important right now is at the ground level to insure that as people approach checkpoints that those taliban checkpoint leaders have and understand who is coming, what documentation they are supposed to have. that's really important for us to insure the time that people are not in areas and just, you know, staying there for long periods of time. the commanders on the ground continue to coordinate how do we continue to increase that through-put through checkpoints, through gates, to get on the airport as fast as we can that's very safe to get them there. >> how many u.s. troops are still on the ground at hkia and how is the security posture at the gate changed? more or fewer troops going in and out of the gates. more overwatch of the crowd for

suspicious activity? >> as we talked about troop numbers and capability. capability has not changed for us to secure the gates and be table process evacuees and our ability to rapidly turn aircraft as they arrive and get those out. as we talk about force protection at the gate, i won't get into the specific ttps that those junior leaders are taking down there other than we continue to learn every day from the day before and we work within all the capabilities we have to insure one, that we can continue people to come in but also stay safe. >> when you say -- does that mean you have to switch things up in order to make it more safe? >> i would say patterns are things that we try not to get into. so i would just tell you as the

most simple operational piece there we are always doing things we can to keep us safe and not create patterns. >> i want to add. we still have active threat streams and we're taking steps that we believe are appropriate to those streams. and i think i would leave it at that. i want to foot stomp the boots on the ground number. the general mentioned in his opening statement today more than 5,000 today. we are not going to get in going forward to a daily count of what's on the ground. just going forward as we closer to the end of the month and the end of the mission you don't expect daily updates on what exactly how many troops are there at any given moment. >> when you say there will be an investigation into what happened yesterday? are we talking about a criminal inquiry with forensics people on the ground and interviewing possible witnesses? who would be doing that and how do you do that in the middle of a war zone? >> i wouldn't characterize it

as a criminal investigation but as comprehensive as general mckenzie needs it to be to find out what happened and what we can learn from it going forward. it will be a very complete, thorough investigation and i will leave it to general mckenzie to describe for you sort of the architecture what that will be. it is not like we haven't sadly had to do this before and we know how to conduct these investigations. >> i am -- [inaudible]. american service members doing their jobs with sacrificing their lives. strategic question. do you think the removal from the afghanistan will lose the u.s. control in the asia and pacific? >> it's not about u.s. control in the indough pacific.

it is about protecting our country from threats and challenges that emanate from that part of the world and revitalizing our partnerships to help our partners in the international community do the same. that's why the secretary's trip to the region and the vice president. we're focused there and the opportunities there. it is not about u.s. control. it is about u.s. partnership. >> i know you don't want to speak about the case of the circumstances of the attack but can you tell us if it was at the gate itself or in the middle of the crowd or at the checkpoint? was it a guy walking or in a bus? can you give us a little detail?

>> first i will start off with details are continuing to be collected. it goes back to the question about continuing to learn as much as we can. as you know, when attack initially starts, you know, you have to fight the fight, then right now we're insuring the respect and dignity of our wounded and those that were killed in action. but as we look at the details at approximately as we saw yesterday at about 17:48 kabul time there was what we report evidence as a suicide-born vest that was exploded right at or around the gate. we don't know the exact location. but it was right outside in the vicinity of that gate. and then followed by direct fire from an enemy position that is not exactly known. it was outside and what we call

just north of that gate area also. >> how many assailants killed, the suicide bomber and the shooter or how many people of the enemy? >> right now what we know there were shooters. don't know the exact number. but one with the suicide vest. >> were any killed by the gunfire? >> we're asking very detailed questions about the fight that will continue to be collected. i can't answer, you know, numbers. i would say that could come out but just knowing the facts, the incredible devastation that happened there, i think we should just leave it there. >> so might have question trying to follow the one earlier. yesterday the president said

you will hunt down and basically get revenge on the isis attackers yesterday. can you just explain to the american public who might be wondering hey, we had 2500 droops on the ground. -- troops on the ground. what is the situation if we hunt down the isis people? >> as we look currently i've already -- i think i've answered that question we have options there right now. and we can insure the commander has the ability to take action as those opportunities present themselves. i won't go into, you know, try to think about the -- how a decision general mckenzie would make in future operations. >> quick follow up on the gun. was there more than one gunman. was that gunman killed? >> that information is still coming in.

what we do know after the fact there was a suicide-born ied right there and gunfire. that's for sure that we know. >> my other question would be this. you have 31 american casualties overall. that's a significant number at one location. what -- how can we explain why -- were they concentrated in one area? was there a shift change underway? how is it or were they spread apart in one line and it's just how the blast was? >> you use the line. this answer is not going to be rewarding to you but it goes back to, you know, the commander will figure all those out at the due time, right? those are the questions that i think are very appropriate and people want to know. what i can tell you right now the commander is continuing to execute the mission and make sure that other forces in there

can continue there and insure that those information as a couple of the questions we answered earlier will come at the proper time. >> i know it's been said numerous times that the focus of the mission is to get evacuees and americans out as quickly as possible. for those that were injured during the attack yesterday and taken to the local hospital, have there been any talks about setting up security for those individuals? i'm hearing reports on the ground they're concerned isis may attack that hospital. so are there any talks to possibly help keep those afghan civilians safe from a potential attack and once they are well enough to travel, how will they get to the ution us? >> afghans injured in the attack? what i can report is there were some afghans part of that were

treated by u.s. and other forces there. i'm not fully aware of the reports on the hospitals in kabul. i do know there were afghans taken to multiple locations in kabul. >> time for a couple more. >> mr. kirby, you said that lives are the priority. my question is straight forward. should americans expect more u.s. casualties in the next few days? >> we don't want to see anymore casualties and why we're monitoring the threat streams very closely and taking what we believe are the best possible steps to prevent another tragedy like this from happening. the secretary was made that very clear to leadership last night and this morning, that force protection will remain a paramount concern as it always does. >> to add to that there is a

bottleneck at dulles airport with the u.s. airlines coming in with refugees at dulles airport. are you aware of this or are refugees being stuck on the tarmac for hours and hours? >> we are aware of those reports and they have proven accurate. in the last couple of days it is really more an issue for customs and border patrol and the process. so i don't want to speak to them or their process. but as we understand it this morning they have worked through the difficulties and we believe that wait time now upon landing is going to get much, much shorter. i would prefer you to my colleagues at customs and border patrol to speak to that. >> afghan sivs flown out so far or afghans are green cards? how many have been flown out so far? >> we looked at the number just

before coming out. we have just under 7,000 now that are in the states and being processed. and that number will change every day obviously, as it should. thanks everybody. we'll see you again at 3:30 this afternoon, i do apologize for the delay this morning. we were getting updates as we were getting ready to come out to see you. we'll do the best we can to be more puntion wall. -- >> harris: it's about this time every day we get caught up in afghanistan. a couple of headlines and then our first guest. kind of a non-answer just a couple of moments ago when admiral kirby, the spokesperson for the pentagon, was asked about president biden's threat against those who carried out

the bombing yesterday. so it really does come into play how they could possibly hunt them down if we are leaving. so they were pressed. he and major general hank taylor were pressed in different ways on the same issue. that's something major that came out of president biden's news conference yesterday. the other headline in all of this, because we didn't know this. they wanted it clarified on the record. was there were not two bombings yesterday. there was only one bombing that did all of that damage and killed all of those people. not a secondary explosion at the baron hotel which is 200 yards away from the abbey gate where the initial bombing happened. so the way it was put was there is a lot of confusion, a lot of things coming together on the ground. they are still investigating that but wanted to make it very clear today as they gather facts and investigate exactly what happened, that there was one explosion.

i'm certain there will be more to come. you are watching "the faulkner focus". i'm harris faulkner. david sears is a retired u.s. navy seal commander who served in afghanistan and right away i want to tap into his expertise because we heard a lot there and welcome to the program, david. what i did not hear from all of that was how they will prevent this from happening again. we didn't have knowledge it was coming. we knew the threat was so huge but still couldn't stop it. >> i don't know you'll be able to stop it in the crowds and civilians. isis, taliban and haqqani network have turned to suicide bombing. it wasn't initially like this in the early parts of the war. the taliban was against suicide bombing and they turned that way. we can protect our service members and pull it back. there is a threat stream active.

the crowds that gather p they come in and detonate isis doesn't care about the afghans or civilians. they kill as many as they can and making a statement. it is very hard to prevent. >> harris: commander sears, i want to watch something with you. it really comes out of one of the last few questions to the pentagon moments ago about what president biden said yesterday. let's watch and i'll get your thoughts on it. >> president biden: to those who carried out this attack, as well as anyone who wishes america harm, know this. we will not forgive. we will not forget. we will hunt you down and make you pay. >> harris: critics weighing in on twitter quickly. former u.s. attorney andy mccarthy. flash forward to next week. we're working closely with our

new anti-american jihadist partners in isis-k to hunt down isis l. rinse and repeat. fox nation host lara logan says this. what could be more hollow than biden promising to hunt down those responsible for today's bombings while kneeling at the feet of the taliban and al qaeda? don't let them con you. another user tweeted taliban must be laughing. your reaction to all of that. >> i couldn't agree more. those are hollow words off a teleprompter. i haven't forgiven nor forgotten all of my brothers that have been killed overseas. the memorials at arlington that was done by the taliban and we seem to have forgiven and forgotten that and we have negotiations. you want to hunt them down and kill those who have done those atrocities? get abdul back on the phone and drop a bomb on his head and the

rest of the taliban leadership sitting there in kabul >> harris: i'm a little confused about something. we've been on the ground all be it when biden came to office we had 2500 troops there. many more than that now in the last couple weeks that he put on the ground. we had to have had ground intel. how is it that isis-k metastasized, that they could do something like this yesterday? what does that tell us about the taliban? we still don't know and the pentagon was asked moments ago, we still don't know if the taliban aided that or allowed it to happen? it was their checkpoint things would have come through. >> you're right. interesting in the press conference we don't have any information on the isis prisoners out of bagram. how can you not have any information on that? you should have a list of names

of exactly who they were so you know -- then you track them. they basically got cell phones as they were bet let out of prisons and they said converge on kabul. isis-k is having a heyday in kabul. they need to test some security measures but a suicide bomber just wreaking havoc can cause a lot of problems. >> harris: what i'm reading they're more organized than we might think. i was reading about the original leader of isis-k in 2014 with a pakistani national and that he worked together with isis. they were kind of the franchise, the local franchise and they are certainly organized on the ground now, it is frightening and fascinating to see how they come together. leon panetta predicts our withdrawal from afghanistan may only be temporary. let's watch and listen together.

>> bottom line is our work is not done. we'll have to go back in to get isis. probably have to go back in when al qaeda resurrects as they will. they gave safe haven to al qaeda before and probably do it again. i understand we're trying to get our troops out of there but the bottom line is we can leave a battlefield but we can't leave the war on terrorism, which still is a threat to our security. >> harris: that was obama's former defense secretary saying all of that. commander sears, is he right? >> i think he is. buflt -- but i think it will be a long time and metastasize for a while. we have three more years under president biden, who has said we aren't going back. not doing any of this. just listening to john kirby, he took the element of national

power off the table to do a lot of these things. so i think you will have to. i think it will become, you know, a flocking of foreign fighters and isis to afghanistan. a lot of civil war in afghanistan. a lot of competition between taliban, haqqani network, afghan resistance. >> harris: on the ground in afghanistan? competition among these blood thirsty terrorists. quickly we keep hearing something from the pentagon over the horizon. means we can fly there really fast. well, it takes a lot if you're not nearby or on the ground and president biden has another decision to make during his presidency and that's about our exit in iraq. just quickly your thoughts. >> the over the horizon can be used for sure. we have over the horizon i could launch ballistic missiles from the united states. do we have something that can

respond quickly with rotary wing or drones? how do you negotiate places in pakistan? have they negotiated places up north in uzbekistan or other places to launch from? they're not interested in that in the basing. over the horizon can be very limited in afghanistan, i think. >> harris: all right. commander david sears, thank you very much for being with me today. great to have you in focus. >> thanks for having me. >> harris: some of the tough questioning we've been watching comes from our own jennifer griffin at the pentagon press briefings. she had another tense exchange at the briefing with the pentagon press secretary moments ago. >> how can general mckenzie say with such certainly the taliban weren't involved in the bombing? i know you rely on them for protection around the airport but are you ruling them out being involved because you are so dependent on the taliban right now?

>> i didn't hear general mckenzie put it that way, jen. in one of the questions he got and i think it was from another reporter, was there a failure? of course there was a failure somewhere obviously. he even alluded to the fact it could have been a taliban checkpoint. so we have not been certain about that. >> harris: hum. didn't feel like a direct answer. let's check in with jennifer griffin. jennifer, those were tough questions all around today and you pressed on that and the prisoner release at bagram. that was our airfield and we handed the prisoners off to the afghan national army and then they got out because the taliban let them out. you had a lot of tough stuff. what can you tell us we should take away from that questioning? >> i think what was interesting, there was another portion of that questioning that we can play in a moment, but what was interesting was the first time i've heard the

pentagon say the number of isis-k who were at that prison at bagram and at another prison where prisoners were released after the government fell to the taliban. and those prisoners, the numbers of prisoners released of isis-k now out there regrouping and attacking u.s. forces was surprising. here is what john kirby said. >> how many isis-k prisoners were left at bagram and are believed to have been released from the prison there and why weren't they removed before the u.s. moved out like someplace like gitmo? >> i don't know the exact number. clearly it's in the thousands when you consider both prisons because both of them were taken over by the taliban and emptied. but i couldn't give you a precise figure. and as for emptying out remember, we were turning things over to afghan national security forces. that was part of the

retrograde processes. they did have responsibility for those prisons and the bases at which the prisons were located and, of course, as the taliban advanced, we didn't see the level of resistance by the afghans to hold some territory. some bases. and unfortunately those were baifss that the afghans didn't hold. all of those responsibilities were turned over in accordance with the retrograde plan back from april. >> in essence the release of these prisoners like we saw in iraq when prisoners were released after the u.s. pulled out in 2011, fueled this insurgency. just been given a shot of adrenaline, basically. >> harris: no doubt. i know we have tough video to show people. i want to give everybody to pull small children away from television. what i hear him saying is that the taliban may have better information on what we left

behind with regard to afghans who helped us. they got biometric information on them and names. but we don't know exactly who was in the prison at bagram? am i misunderstanding what he said there? >> it's two issues you are touching upon. we know who was at that prison because we were monitoring that prison with our afghan allies before the u.s. pulled out. so we know who was in the prison and why he could say with certainty that there are thousands of isis-k prisoners who have been released. the problem is we don't know where they are now and it would take another 20 years of war to go and find them. secondly, there is the issue of sharing information with the taliban, who by the way, we continue to hear from the pentagon is isis-k is a breakaway faction of the taliban. they fight against the taliban as much as they fight against americans. so they are not allies. and so what has happened is

that the taliban who we are now dealing with in the government and as head of security in kabul, we understand that when they took over that base at bagram they also got access to biometric data of afghan allies who worked with the americans and they are using that to go and hunt those people down. >> harris: wow. i was talking about earlier the isis-k, pakistani national who helped start that and when they broke away and joined isis. it is an interesting story we better keep up on. i gave everybody a little bit of time to get away from this from those who might need to. the next video is graphic. >> what we learned during the briefing. video taken right after that attack at abbey gate yesterday. what we learned at the briefing that is new, the pentagon corrected the record on the fact there was one suicide bomber yesterday, not two. originally during the day we had been reporting based on

information we were receiving from pentagon officials that there were two suicide bombers, one jute side the baron hotel. the second bombing was misinformation from the ground. that happens in situations like this. you can understand. we also understand that at that abbey gate there were also gunmen who at least multiple isis gunmen who opened fire on u.s. forces and most likely on u.s. forces trying to come to the aid of those who were injured. >> harris: wow. jennifer griffin, great continued reporting. thank you very much. those images are so hard to see. well, they are calling this the worst day in president biden's presidency. >> it's the worst day of the biden presidency, nora, and the most deadly day for u.s. service members in afghanistan since august of 2011 when 30 americans lost their lives when

a helicopter was shot down. so this is a very momentous time for this white house. >> harris: the worst day of the biden presidency. the commander-in-chief waiting several hours to address the nation. then it's straight up 5:00 p.m. eastern i tweeted okay. 20 minutes later okay. and we had to wait again. after 13 u.s. service members were killed in kabul, afghanistan yesterday and then in a sometimes heated exchange with our own fox news peter doocy the president of the united states took responsibility but still shifted some blame to trump. >> do you bear any responsibility for the way that things have unfolded in the last two weeks? >> president biden: i bear responsibility for fundamentally all that's happened of late. here is the deal, you know as well as i do that the former president made a deal with the

taliban that he would get all american forces out of afghanistan by may 1. >> do you squarely stand by your decision to pull out? >> president biden: yes, i do. >> harris: at one point he just put his head in his hands as he talked with peter doocy. white house correspondent jackie heinrich is live on the north lawn. a tough day for the whole nation. a tough day for him politically. >> absolutely. we'll keep hearing about it, too. the president promised yesterday that isis is not going to go unpunished for this. he said he ordered the pentagon to draw up plans to strike their leadership, assets and facilities. evacuation effort is continuing with just five days left until that withdrawal deadline under a current threat, active threat of another attack. the president said he would authorize more troops to complete this mission if that is necessary. but he believes that it can be

done the way it is designed right now. at the last update we were told 5,000 people are waiting within the airport perimeter to get out. yesterday amid the chaos 7,000 were evacuated. total of 12,000 within 24 hours. there is still as many as 1,000 americans needing evacuation. the president said so far there is no evidence of collusion between isis and taliban carrying out that attack but there are lingering questions whether the taliban can be considered reliable partners. general mckenzie acknowledged it's possible the suicide bomber got through the taliban checkpoints and the president's critics say the decisions that led up to this that put americans in this position are dangerous. listen to this. >> when you project weakness from the oval office as joe biden does, bad guys do bad things and we unfortunately saw that play out today and we lost 13 brave americans who served our country. >> the president acknowledged rescuing the remaining americans and afghan refugees could be dangerous and risky

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