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all happening at the same time, the fallout from afghanistan which gets rougher by the day it seems and the fallout from all the flooding and damage that now has claimed close to 60 lives. questions about how it happened and how we could have known better. first to the fallout half a world away because it continues and growing continues and so what if anything can the united states do about it? let's go to david spunt with the president in wilmington, delaware, david. david, hi, neil it's been almost a week that people want today get out as safely as they can. it's been almost a week since u.s. forces completely withdraw. there are still many people including americans that are in afghanistan that want to get out. the united states said to be in

contact with members of the taliban to exit at some point. secretary of state antony blinken says that not getting into specifics about some of those discussions with taliban leaders. we do know that president biden is getting updates while he's in wilmington this weekend about some of those evacuees and the situation on the ground in afghanistan. secretary blink even said there are circumstances where some americans in afghanistan prefer to stay below the radar right now, then they can make a move when they want, listen. >> we are in very regular contact with relatively small number of american citizens who remain in afghanistan and indicated that they are interested in leaving and we have dedicated teams assign today each of these american citizens to be in constant contacts with them, we are providing them with very

tailored and very specific guidance. david: blinken himself he will head to qatar tomorrow, a place acting at intermediary and the secretary will not be meeting with taliban officials although that could change. as of now nothing on the schedule there. his boss, the commander in chief president biden landed in wilmington for the long weekend. he will spent last weekend at the white house and facing sharp criticism for not getting americans out. >> he broke his promise to americans and continue to go break it because there are american citizens who are trying to get out of the country right now. david: despite sinking poll numbers when it comes to dealing

with afghanistan, president biden is quadrupling from withdrawing from afghanistan and president biden says he made the right decision to get people out before that anniversary, neil. neil: all right, thank you very much for that, david spunt traveling with the president in delaware. i want to bring former seaeal tm member, he's the genuine article, honored to have him on each and every time, i have. don, very good to have you back. what do you make of this, you know, tens of thousands who are still left in afghanistan and likelihood that they will ever come back? >> neil, our president made a deal with the devil. for him or to any american think that dealing with the taliban is a good idea, they are dead wrong. president biden basically signed

death certificates for thousands of people. we purposely left and possibly planned on leaving americans and trusted allies behind. first time any president of the united states has ever done this. my heart hurts to bad talk the president and the military but they have failed and the only way i see out of this is somehow the president, secretary of state, secretary of defense, chief of staff, they have a collective mindset, collective combat mind can have set change because the way we are going, we are going the fail as a country quickly. we can't keep going this way. i don't know how we are going to get out of this one here. we have to support those afghans on the ground. we have to get them out. we have to have our leadership take -- take acknowledgment and take -- to admit that they made the terrible mistake on us the americans, our military, our

veterans and our allies around the world. we are all in a more dangerous place because of president biden's poor leadership. neil: do you think, don, we should work with the taliban or do you think that's a wasted effort? >> i've been to afghanistan five or six times and i went to the stadium where the taliban came out, first what they do is cut off hands and feet of those they want to punish and after amputations they do executions and people come up and mop up the blood and the soccer begins. they are not like us. we cannot trust them. pasture ticket or is past behavior. we know their past behavior. they say, their own spokes people say we are the taliban, this is our way and this will be our way till judgment day. i don't see how anybody can trust the taliban or any

terrorist organization. neil: you know what i worry about, don, you know the area far better than i that if the taliban doesn't get what it wants, assets frozen or unfrozen, they can up the ante and a lot of those folks become hostages and we are reliving that nightmare, how -- how likely do you fear that could be? >> unfortunately i see that as very likely scenario. basically they have all of us back mind enemy lines right now as potential hostages and that's worth a lot of money to them and worth a lot of leverage to them and that's a real threat that we have to face right now. they have -- they have done this before. they have taken hostages before and they have it as bargaining chips to trade them back or to

make money. we are in trouble. we have to get those americans out of there and the afghans as quickly as we can before something like that happens but i think what happened back in '79 is minor on what can potentially happen right now in all of afghanistan. neil: so play this out weeks and months out leave ago side whether we can get these people out and that seems debatable, what are we looking at in terms of how the country is being run, it's the taliban but they just fought off militias who are taking them on in the country and they are dealing with isis elements, 2,000 fighters strong, what is the country going to look like? >> the way i see it, neil, right now they just got a big shot in the arm. their recruitment efforts are going to increase, they are going to get recruits from all over the country and international community and

recruits coming from everywhere because they are the ones that beat the big u.s. and they beat the russians and they are the leaders, we gave them an 85 million-dollar donation, they will use it against people and sell it to the chinese and figure out the technology that we have that they didn't have before and i think they will get a lot more people being recruited in the taliban and they are going to get a lot more funding which is going to make it worse for us all. pakistan is funding them, internationalist terrorists from around the world are very excited and they have coming and, of course, we have china, russia and iran running to fill in the vacancy we left behind. it's the worst situation i have known of since world war ii and the nazis. we dealt with the nazis in world war ii. i see this as the nazis are

terrible, we had to leave, we had to go right back -- we had to be involved in world war ii. we were tired of being in a war and we came back a lot of people looked at the world war ii, the overseas war but we had to go back and that's what i think is going to happen in afghanistan. i believe phase 1 of the war is over that we lost. now we have to get ready for phase 2 and that's rescuing the people that we left behind and stopping the spread of the terrorism training country that's going to be getting more powerful by the day who is going to threaten the world, threaten the u.s. and with our open borders who knows how many people are coming in now. the afghan refugees, we are getting 40,000 of them. none of them are vetted, we don't know who the people are. the world is in a much more dangerous place. neil: to put it likely. thank you, don, for your great

service to this country. you care about it and it shows. don mann former seal team six member. he talked about the people that are getting into this country and how much do we know about them after this.

>> if and when we obtain derogatory information, we know how to address that. those muscles are very well exercised. in fact, we have and we deny access to individuals whose derogatory information is not resolved and we do not feel confident in the safety and security of the american people. neil: he didn't really specify, that's the department of homeland security in general what the derogatory information could be but that some have been stopped and not allowed entry because of this so-called

derogatory information. it's a concern of rebecca heinrich who has been reported a whole deal at the institute about the risk, maybe some dangerous folks at that. what do you think derogatory information is, rebecca? >> links to terrorism, neil. of the tens of thousands of individuals that we have rushed over to the united states to give them safety, there's been, i think, at least the number has run 10,000 that have been referred to secondary screening of those about 100 have been flagged for links to taliban and other jihadist organizations from afghanistan. there's other things that have been problematic like links to child brides, some afghan men who have just brought over young girls claiming that they are their wives and you have the problem of trafficking that the united states obviously would be

very concerned about so because of this ill-conceived plan, because of the rush, because of the chaos, because the biden administration did not plan to do what they should have done which is plan for a very careful vetting and evacuation over a long period of time of those we care about, now you have very vulnerable people that we do owe safety with individuals grouped in with individuals that are threat to the american people. neil: the former world bank had deputy in the bush administration. the french anticipating the day coming but we were not doing that and it struck him as odd because that was -- it was a calendar goal and the french were adhering to it and fearful

of it to get their people out and we were not doing the same thing at the time. what are we to make of that? >> that's why i pushed back on this idea that it was merely incompetence on the part of the biden administration for the withdrawal. i really think that it was just such terrible hastiness, ill-conceived planning and horrible judgment that they thought the taliban would take over of afghanistan, clearly they thought they would work with the afghan government and afghan army that would push back on the taliban. we are at this point where we really owe, we have a responsibility to get the people that we worked with, obviously american citizens but also groups, vulnerable groups like christians there who -- they have employment here in the united states, they have churches willing to sponsor them and take them here. those are the people that should have priority over all of this rush with individuals with no connection to the united states that have not been vetted.

it's a complete mess. we don't have an over the horizon antiterrorism capability left in the country because that relied on having sources in the country that have now dispersed, they are gone. again, the american people are at a greater risk. president biden put number 1s are his priority, keeping his commitment to the taliban and not upholding his number 1 responsibility which is to provide a security to the american people. neil: rebecca, thank you very much, i think -- that's the big concern now working with the taliban. that's what we are stuck with right now to try to get these people out of the country and to rebecca's point, that could be easier said than done. thank you very much. back in the storm from this country, at least 63 dead in some 8 states and the damage very widespread and so too the cost after this.

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neil: all right, slowly but surely the lights are coming back on in in louisiana but across the state thousands without power. let's go to robert ray. robert, how are things looking there today. >> neil, in new orleans it's sunny and you wouldn't think there's a disaster behind me but certainly is. ida, sixth strongest hurricane to ever make land fall in the united states and the devastation is remarkable. unfortunately 14 people in louisiana, alabama and mississippi have lost their lives. 3 of them from a nursing home here right before the storm hit,

hundreds of people from that nursing home were brought to a-- to a warehouse and it's 360 degrees of -- of devastation. 100% of the structures down there are in complete ruin and it's uninhabitable. i think that potentially we have a drone down there and perhaps we could see those pictures from race land which is north of grand isle, neil. president biden was on the ground touring the damage, he was in la plaz, louisiana. listen to what he had to say. >> there's work to do in this area and we have instructed my team to have all hands on deck to make sure that that happens. >> neil, over 700,000 people

still out of power here in the state of louisiana and, you know, the gas lines, if you can find the gas station that's powering on a generator, we have reports of over 8 hours of those lines and there's been even some heated situations with people trying to get in there. they are desperate. so the water shortages, no power, hot weather. neil: probably understatement. thank you very much, robert ray. it's a bumpy ride getting back to normal, guys trying to help out any way he can, cajun navy director.

>> hi, neil. >> we are at the wal-mart parking lot. we are serving the community with food and supplies, gasoline, tarps. there's no electricity and no businesses are open and you have over a hundred thousand people in southeast -- southwest of new orleans that are in need and, you know, we have people coming up that are living in their cars. when you don't have water, it's going to be hot today, there's no clouds. it's close to 100 degrees today. they need water. there's not potable water, no electricity for air-conditioning. there's a need for supplies to get into the hands of individuals. we give it away for free. these freeze up their funds for other things like repairing

their home. we will be here for a few weeks at least, maybe longer, but we -- we bring in volunteers, everything that you see behind me was donated. we have received two tractor trailers that we can store food and wal-mart gave us a truck-full of water. lowes gave us a tractor trailer full of ice, you can see the tractor trailer as well. these are things that we need in communities. neil: you know, last week at this time having a devil of a time reaching to people and you couldn't get to them. i'm sure that's changed but what you're getting to are a lot of homes without power, without anything. and they all need the help. i mean, how do you go through the whole process of

coordinating this? >> you know, we have a concept we call safe camp, safe action, emergency camp. it's similar to a mass-type unit, everybody is familiar with the television show, similar concept where we set up as soon as we possibly can. the winds don't even die down and have an advanced team to make sure it's safe and once safe we bring in volunteers, supplies, start serving the people that stay behind and people start returning and they will return to devastation. we can only be in one location so what we do is for the other communities that need to be served and there's probably 25 southwest of new orleans that just are not being served, we actually use volunteer effort and we send supplies out, we call them hot shots, we send deliveries and close to those communities with volunteers, we call them teams that clear the roads, those saw teams leave full of supplies. one of the things that's happening, there's no gasoline

and if there is a gas station open, the lines are extremely long. so these people in the remote communities won't leave because there's no gas. they don't want to get stranded so they are really stuck there. so we are starting today actually a big supply drive that goes out to these communities and brings supplies and just gives them away off the down streets. neil: i don't know. you never brag about you or the organization, robert, you're doing the lord's work here on very dire conditions and you always have a smile and good attitude about it and positive attitude at that. i think all of those people that you're helping desperately need that, particularly the good attitude. it does help. cajun navy ground force director. interested in helping out people has become an army of people trying to help those who are in dire straits and in louisiana they are in dire straits, we will keep you posted on that and i don't know if you're traveling this holiday weekend wherever you are but you might have heard

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traveling is what's different that 9 out of 10 of them prefer to drive rather than fly. lydia is keeping up with it on labor day rush, i willed yeah. >> hi, neil, the cdc is advising people who are not vaccinate today avoid travel this holiday weekend and also saying that people who are vaccinated should consider the risks before they travel. still it seems that most americans have some travel plans in store. 6 out of 10 americans are responding to survey say they are headed to some destination during labor day weekend. most of them will travel by car, in fact, 20% who have plans to fly have canceled airline tickets opting for road trip in recognition of the risk and we know from the survey that 9 out of 10 people will travel by car because they say it feels safer and we are generally seeing the airport numbers, on tuesday we

saw 1.3 million people passing through at tsa checkpoint. that's the lowest number that have been recorded since mid-may but for those that are driving, it's going to come at a cost as gas prices are spiking. the national average at 3.18, the highest labor day weekend price at the pump since we've seen in 2014 according to the triple a. you can see at the gas station where we are in new jersey, a gallon of gas will set you back 3.30. if you're traveling this weekend, be prepared to see extra traffic on the highways and be prepared to pay for more your gallon of gas, back to you, neil. neil: lovely. thank you very much, i willed, . the nih director. doctor, good to have you back. what do you think of that if you're unvaccinated maybe not travel right now? >> i think it's a pretty wise

recommendation that delta variant is still spreading rapidly across many areas of the country. we are now seeing 160,000 cases every day. we are seeing over 100,000 people in the hospital, almost all of the people in the hospital are unvaccinated and sadly we've now seen deaths climbing up to 15, 16, 100 a day. if you're vaccinated, boy, the virus is looking for you and you don't want to be in a vulnerable place and travel, of course, puts you in circumstances that you can't completely control. i would totally go with cdc on this. if you're unvaccinated, don't go into a travel-risk situation. instead get yourself vaccinated. it's encouraging to see, neil, 1.4 million vaccinations yesterday. that's the largest number since early july, so people are getting with the message here that, okay, it's been fully approved now by the fda, no more reason to wait, the delta is

still out there, protect yourself, protect your family, roll up your sleeves. neil: it's still become a political point more than anything, doctor, we have seen sadly conservative radio talk show hosts that perished and gotten the virus died from it earlier on saying it was a waste of time. now i know that you try to skew politics but that sentiment that still build among plurality of americans some for quite other reasons, is that affecting our progress here because i did notice in doing my homework which i always do, doctor, that this labor day weekend, the vaccines we have but it's a worst outbreak than we had last year at this time? what do you make of it? doctor: well, i make of it two things, one is delta which is much more contagious than what we had a year ago. it's almost like we have a new pandemic because this virus

behaves so aggressively and it does seem also it's capable of making people more sick and another study from the british showing that people who do get delta seem more likely to end up in the icu or sadly in the morgue. we have a bad new player here but the other thing that we have a very significant number, 25% or so of americans who have yet to get the first dose and they are just sitting there waiting for this to happen and, yes, i'm not a political person but the statistics certainly would say the people's receptivity to this vaccine seems to have been influenced by politics which makes no sense, medical public health problem and people should be making decisions based on that information. i'm sympathetic with people who are still confused by all of the misinformation coming from various places and i'm not sympathetic by the people who are spreading misinformation and maybe even know it for political reasons. neil: the new variant, are you

worried about it, it just seems to have taken on a force of its own? i know two cases in korea, popped up in la and other places, what is it and are you worried about it? >> well, it is a variant that was first seen in colombia and ecuador. in colombia it's like 40% and south america and it does have a whole lot of mutations, ten or so of them that make it different from where we started and some of those are in places that you might worry would interfere with the antibodies or even the vaccine. it's worth tracking, who has called it a variant of interest. cdc hasn't named it that. we have relatively few cases in the u.s. but what i've seen so far and we are tracking this day by day, very carefully suggest that the vaccines still will work quite well against so i'm not quite anxious and look

forward with experts and scientific community assessing exactly what its consequences might be. right now i would say it's not time to get too worried. neil: what about the boosters shots the administration had been pushing, doctor? i know the cdc and fda are concerned about the timing, whether we need to rush it, a couple of people at the fda resigned over it, where are you on this? >> well, i'm one of the docs that made the recommendation that we need to look seriously at offering boosters particularly to people who got their initial immunization back in the beginning of this, back in january because we have seen the data from the u.s. particularly from israel that has good data set to look at that effectiveness of the pfizer vaccine because wane over time. we want to stay ahead of this virus and in the get caught by surprised. if we are going to offer boosters, there's a lot of infrastructure that we need to build to make that possible so you don't want to wait till the

last minute and say go now, so this was a recommendation to look at this seriously but very much depending on fda which is the goal standard for assessing safety and efficacy and cdc. fda will have a meeting on september 17th and look at the pfizer booster data. that'll be very important. i gather that data looks pretty good. we will see what they say but moderna is a little behind. they haven't gotten their data fully submitted with, likewise j&j, a little behind. it's the responsible thing to do to move forward. i'm sympathetic with the folks and fda and cdc that are under pretty tight timetable and that's what we have to do to protect the american public. neil: to be clear, moderna j&j boosters shots would not be able and don't have the timeline of september 20th? >> that would be impossible to see since they haven't finished completing the data submission to fda, but it shouldn't be much

longer after that. neil: real quickly again, this is for people who either have compromised immune systems or older, right? >> let's be clear, people who have immune compromised, people with cancer on chemotherapy, organ transplants, they are approved for boosters, they should be going to the pharmacy, i've got immuno deficiency give me the third shot. that is mostly elderly people and first responders, healthcare providers who are at high risk. they would be first in line but ultimately from the data that we have seen from israel, i think it may well be that boosters are going to be recommended for almost everybody. some question about the youngest but for the most part it looks like it's a good thing to really get your immune system totally prime today take on any further challenges. neil: all right. we will see where it goes,

dr. collins, great to see you again. >> nice to be with you, neil. neil: dr. francis collins of the nih. do any of you remember angela, she really became an iconic figure of the restaurant owner in the middle of a pandemic just trying to do her job and secure jobs for all the people. now she's running to other impediments that has nothing to do with the virus and everything to do with the government keeping people home and not working after this.

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pineapple hill salon owners, finally she might be able to find those workers because a lot of those jobless benefits that have been extended genex pyred as of monday. angela, for you, you might have your employees pretty soon, right? >> i hope so, neil. i'm running a very thin crew and fellow restaurant owners in my community, some of them can't even open during the day. they've had to cut their hours because they can't find staff, so i'm hoping and praying that, yes, now people will be flooding in and wanting a job. [laughter] neil: well, you're competing with all the other restaurants and i know that you paid fairly generously but others say that wasn't the issue stopping people from working, you don't buy that? >> if you can make $1,400 a week

sitting at home or going to the beach or doing whatever it is that you want to do, why are you going to go and work around the clock to make the same amount of money or just a little bit more and honestly, it's not just california. and by the way, neil, we pay $15 an hour to tipped employees here. it's not like pay them more money. we pay them a lot of money and unless the average person wants to pay, you know, $28 for a hamburger at a pub there's no room to pay any more money. that's quite a lot of money plus tips. i had a gentleman from arizona contact me and he said, angela, i have to close my cleaning company because i need 16 people and i can only manage to get 3 and he literally shut down his cleaning business after many, many years and he was devastated and he reached out and he told me about what was going on. i have other restaurant owners here, they can't find cooks. it has driven the pay up like i said, some cooks are getting $20, $22 an hour, but they still

can't find help. that's still not enough. neil: what did you think, angela, when the president in mentioning the weak jobs report yesterday cited that more people still need these benefits and maybe there's a way the federal government can work with the states to prolong -- >> neil, are they trying to put us out of business? is this an active effort? my whole family is in indiana. i talked to a gentleman that owns a restaurant and he's in his 70's, where are all the people, where are all of the people because he can't find people, that's, indiana, arizona, california. people are already going out of business because we can't find enough employees and on top of that, we will be dealing with vaccine mandates and they'll be mandating us to let people go that aren't vaccinated.

that's a whole other issue that we will have to deal with. give us a break here. help us out, you know. neil: i thought of you when i heard the president add the little line. angela, hang in there. finish it, i'm sorry. >> sorry, the worst thing that i think he said was a few months ago. he said, well, if you can't find employees, pay them more. i'm like, how much more, $15 an hour plus tips. how much more can i pay them? neil: $30, $40, you can handle it. you're an entrepreneur. come on. >> i know, right? you get paid $40 for a hamburger at lunch, right? neil: condescending comment, right? hang in there. pineapple hills saloon owner and

doesn't take any gut from anybody even the highest office holder of the land. coming up, 9/11 widow who remembers what she lost that day when she lost her husband and she's been pounding the pavement for them to do something about it, for the government to open up the books on what saudi arabia knew and how much it knew. she got her answer. she got her win. she's next.

neil: you do not want tomes with terry estrada because ever since 911 she lost her husband tom on 911, she has been along with a host of others pushing to open up the books on, well, a lot of

the information about the saudis and -- and how -- how much we knew about them then and learned since. her wishes came true yesterday when the president signed an executive order to declassify a lot of those 9/11 documents. terry estrada joins us on the phone. terry, you must be relieved. now comes the hard part, going through those documents, right? >> you're absolutely right, neil. it's a sense of relief for everyone and hard work is ahead of us. hard work ahead for the department of justice. they are the ones that will have to go through the declassification review of all documents. neil: early on you had worries that a lot of your friends and fellow folks who had lost loved ones about what the saudis knew, so many, of course, came from saudi arabia the attackers themselves and the saudis were not exactly cooperative. what do you -- what do you think you will find out?

>> so i believe we are going to see a lot more saudi national names in the reports and learn how the money was transferred and where the money came from. i believe telephone records, more details about the plans and plotting of the attacks and how many saudi nationals were involved and helping facilitate the attacks. neil: terry, i know this anniversary must be especially painful this year but if you don't mind, can you tell us how you found out that your husband didn't make it 20 years ago? >> well, told me that a plane hit the building and how horrific it was and awful lot of screaming in the background. he was in the north tower on the 104th familiar. he told me he was going to go to

the elevators or to the stairwell, i'm sorry. as i watched on tv and saw what everybody was seeing when the south tower came down first, my mind did not even go there. when the north tower came down, neil, that's when i knew my husband was gone because he was still in there. neil: incredible. terry -- i apologize. >> no, that's okay, we never had recovery. so there was an official, it was awful for me and my children. neil: hang in there. you're getting some progress here. terry estrada, one of the many 9/11 family surviving members who just want answersment we will be looking into all of that next week at this time when we

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blinken is headed to doha, qatar, and state officials say he will not meet with the taliban who have yet to form a new government and we're dependent to get our 100 to 200 stranded americans out and five days after the u.s. withdrawal, neil, he says-- he won't say, rather, if even a single american has gotten out since. watch. >> we're providing them with very tailored, very specific guidance. let me just say that for their protection and also to protect the viability of the -- of our tactics, i'm not going to go into any details beyond that. griff: blinken says that most are dual afghans who call america home.

as for those who worked along the americans, their fate far wars, drawing criticism from the chair of the committee. >> let's say what is your path is going out? at the moment i'm not satisfied with the answers we've been getting from the state department, okay, here is what we're going to do. griff: the other part of this, the dhs, secretary xand alejandro mayor cass, some some have hit the watch list. >> we do not feel that for the safety of the people. >> and some were sent and ready to be brought over to the u.s. officials say that a key part of getting more people out of

kabul is opening that airport up with no u.s. presence on the ground. neil. neil: griff jenkins, thank you very very much. we've heard a good deal with this derogatory information on those who we have been able to cite on planes coming here or to the air force base in germany, we don't know how many we're talking about. it's a good issue to get into with joni ernst. senator, good to have you. do you know what this derogatory information could be that is preventing at least a few afghans from making their way here? >> well, there could be many reasons behind that, some of which could be that there was interaction between the individual and the taliban, or other terrorist organizations. we don't know that and certainly in the past when my

office has tried to find out various pieces of information through the state department, we have not been allowed access to that type of information. so, it's hard to know at this point, but we do want to make sure that as individuals are coming into the united states, that they are properly vetted. that's very important to my constituents, my others. but we do want to evacuate the special immigrant visa holders that are qualified to come into the country. they've stood by our men and women in uniform for the past decades and they certainly deserve entry into the united states. neil: you know, senator, we're learning a little bit more about the process to get people out of afghanistan long before everything hit the proverbial fan. the former world bank president and defense secretary under president bush told the french,

we're understanding, began removing people in the early spring, cognizant of our time frame to get out by the end of the august and he was just wondering aloud why we weren't doing the same. do you know whether we were? you know, whether that was a problem early on, that military leaders, maybe yourself, wondered about? >> absolutely, neil. as a matter of fact, early in the spring, senator jeanne shaheen of new hampshire and i and a handful of other senators went to the white house to speak to the national security advisors to the president. we expressed our concerns that we were not moving as quickly as our allies and in supporting those siv's, we knew that france, we knew that germany, the u.k., they had already started removing their interpreters and other special immigrant visa holders for

their own countries out of the country of afghanistan. so we were pushing on the state department, however, the state department drug their feet and we know they really didn't start a concerted effort until about the middle of july in getting those siv's going. so we were way behind the power curve and it was an issue that we raised very early in the spring and we continued to raise today. i don't know how we solve this problem. i do know there are many charitable organizations that are working on getting siv's and american citizens out of afghanistan right now. but it is much more complicated because we don't have the folks doing consular activities in afghanistan right now. neil: the leverage we do have, senator, we hear from the administration and the state department is that 9 1/2 billion in frozen funds, we can unfreeze them and the taliban knows that and will probably try to work with us because it wants that.

do you buy that? >> i don't buy that, no, absolutely not. he think that the federal government and president joe biden is putting an awful lot of trust into a terrorist organization. we should not trust the taliban, nor should we offer them relief in the form of american taxpayer dollars. i certainly don't want to be funding the taliban and their activities. they are the ones that harbored al-qaeda which led to 9/11, no, neil, we shouldn't be engaging with the taliban the way that president joe biden is this time. they're a terrorist organization as far as i'm concerned. neil: all right, now, it's weird in maybe this environment, senator, that we seem much more worried about the isis-k fighters, 2000 strong, than we are the taliban. the argument being, all right, we don't flip over the taliban, but the alternative could be a hell of a lot worse. what do you make of that argument?

>> well, i think one is bad, another bad and yet another is bad. so there's a lot of bad choices in afghanistan. bottom line, we can't trust any of them. we have al-qaeda, the taliban, isis-k, the haqqani network and i could name other extreme organizations. the ones i mentioned are the most powerful in afghanistan. they have networks all around the world and i don't think we should put a level of trust in any of them, but what we do need to do is focus on evacuating those americans and those special immigrant visa holders from afghanistan and unfortunately, our federal government has left these folks high and dry and that sh you had be the area that we focus on right now as well as be aware of any sort of terrorist activities that might pop up because of the void we have created. neil: senator, if you don't mind my switching gears, the

president wants to -- afghanistan, he's been looking at the hurricane in louisiana and extended up to the northeast. chuck schumer of new york says this justifies passing that infrastructure package, he wasn't just talking about the bipartisan one on the infrastructure-only supposedly package, but the bigger one $3 1/2 trillion human infrastructure, with climate change. what do you think of that? >> i think that's absolutely the wrong direction to go and if you talk to folks here in iowa, i haven't heard many, if any, that would support an entire package like that. i absolutely do know the. we have spent trillions and trillions of dollars and only in washington d.c. can you get away with tossing around a word like trillion. we know that we can't pay for this. and it is a radical expansion, not only as you mentioned the

green new deal is in there with the climate policies, but then also with the radical expansion of social welfare programs. we have to get our economy up and going and this level of spending by the federal government is not going to solve that problem, i think it will only exacerbate it. neil: we shall see. senator joni ernst, good to see you, have a safe weekend. and she sits on the armed services committee. we were mentioning the flooding and the damage from ida here and whether it justifies infrastructure spending or not or could help put it over the top, but for folks in harm's way, things can't happen soon enough for the better and they're waiting after this. ♪ monday, payday♪ ♪ tuesday, payday♪ ♪ wednesday, payday♪ ♪ thursday, payday♪ ♪ friday, payday♪ ♪ saturday, payday♪ ♪ sunday, payday♪ ♪ ♪ payday, payday♪

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and a good deal of the damage and flooding. the very latest from bryan llenas in patterson, new jersey. >> neil, good morning, just three days after, actually three days after the storm, it's incredible to see that there's still flooding here in new jersey in patterson. you can see the van behind me. the water is start to go recede, but if you pan over here, you can see how much water is still here. there was enough to overtake that vehicle. the pasayic river is behind where we are and it's not expect today clear out of major flood stage until 10 p.m. tonight. three days after. and this is as we're starting to see new video. terrifying, it's inside a basement in cranford new jersey. you see a young man walking pass assessing the damage, all of a sudden, flood water crushes the wall and it fills

the basement trapping a mother and son and you can hear terrifying stream. a son punched a tile out of the ceiling and saved by his father and brother and the mother clung onto a boiler and she cannot swim and she had four inches. there are a lot of families spending this labor day weekend cleaning up the mess after feet of water inundated their basements and the first floors of their home and files of damaged, and in new jersey two are missing, seaton hall student, who were considered swept away by a storm drain. 11 drown in their basement

level apartments. mayor deblasio says the city was caught flat-footed by their storms and they need to revisit their systems. >> it's climate-driven and that's crucial to put upfront it's not like the rain we used to know. it's know the. it's a different reality, a speed and intensity that we now have to understand will be normal. >> the flash flood warnings came telling people to shelter in place and tragically people drown in their homes and they did what they were told to do in basement apartments. and now the city is considering door-to-door knocks and a data base to keep track of them in the event of the next weather event. neil: that video is stunning, you can see how this kind of thing happened again and again throughout the northeast of the most people who did die, died in their cars or in their homes. all right. i want to go to rod west, the

entergy utility operations group president. he's dealing with power outages throughout louisiana. i think we're at around 700,000 right now, rod. how do things look now? >> we're in the process of being methodical, but i can report that we're getting power back on. it's never going to be fast enough for our customers, particularly in louisiana where they felt the brunt of it and especially those customers in the lower lying, low lying areas. i have to say that, watching the video of what's happening in the northeast, we know all too well what that environment looks like. ida, in this instance, was predominantly a wind event with explosive intensification of that storm as it reached the coast, but our hearts go out to the folks in the northeast, but we're in hand-to-hand combat with the aftermath of predominantly wind damaged.

we weren't spared by the water because some of our lower lying areas got hit pretty hard, but we're well on our way in beginning the storm rretore-- restoration project. neil: and a lot is said about the lines above ground and calling for putting them underground to lessen the power outages or at least as severe and widespread power outages. what do you think of that? >> well, we're no strangers to storms and we're no strangers to what seems like a logical answer. why don't you put everything underground. there are a couple of dynamics and listen, we've lost count of the number of storms over the years that the gulf coast have had to deal with. we don't bury our dearly deported in new orleans because we're at or below sea level for

the most part and think about putting electrical facilities underground. in some instances it makes all the sense in the world, but it is, for the large part, a cost prohibitive proposition and what you trade in terms of the frequency of outages and yes, there's a benefit to the frequency of outages, you wind out losing in terms of duration and disruption because, guess what? whenever you have an initial with an underground facility, what's the first thing you have to do? you have to dig. when you think about the topography of the gulf coast, yeah, in residential neighborhoods it makes sense to put some things underground, maybe in the central business district, but high voltage transmission lines, which was the primary impact of the start, not a particularly wise thing to do, but more importantly, as you know all too well, it all makes sense until the price tag comes and it's a three to six x proposition when you talk with

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>> it was a close call to put it mildly, when cynthia and her son were inside their house while the hurricane was raging outside and a tree fell on their house not too far from them. it didn't end there. cynthia joins us right now. cynthia, how are you holding up? >> i'm doing okay, thank you. it gets better and better every day, it's pretty traumatizing.

neil: tell us what happened. >> well, we thought -- i thought the worst was pretty much past us. the gusts were still really strong, however, not as frequent from earlier this day and i think maybe we heard like the roots snapping or something and all of a sudden there was this huge roar as the tree just came down on the house and cut through it and then the ceiling and a lot of things from the attic did land on my back and there was just barely enough space for us to get through, climb over the sofa, yeah, climb over the sofa to get out and then we, i guess adrenalin takes over, we just, we were-- we knew we were safe so we had to get out and we tried the back door, the weight of the tree wouldn't let us open the back door, we had to go out the side door, another side door we

had, but, yeah, it was pretty terrifying to be in there and i will never ever stay again. neil: i'm sure. where was your son at the time, cynthia? >> he was on the sofa by me. neil: how close to the sofa did the trae hit? >> well, probably about two feet. neil: geez. >> yeah, yeah. neil: but ut the wits about you to get the heck out of there and you've seen, obviously, images like this and worse playing up north. what do you do now? i mean, obviously you have to try to rebuild and all of that. >> absolutely. >> but if you're a little gun shy? >> absolutely. and then i'm lucky to be staying with a friend with a generator, but we can run that when fuel permits. the gas lines are three and a half hours. sometimes we get there and they might run out of gas. so you know, we're really doing

what we can. i'm in line for tree removal. the inspection, i did get the inspection set up fairly soon. but, yeah, the house is probably gone. neil: you know, the good thing you're alive here to tell me about it and so is your son. >> yes, sir. neil: you showed remarkable bravery whatever kicked in between you and your son, you're alive to tell the story. something for the grandkids down the road, cynthia, right? >> yes, sir. neil: hang in there, you're remarkable. how fleeting and precious life is in a moment could change. >> as soon as we knew we could maneuver our way out of what had fallen on us, it was a complete relief to be able to get out, so. neil: and you did. you got out. thank you, cynthia. lord be with you.

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thin crew and fellow restaurant owners in my community, some of them can't even open during the day, they've had to cut their hours because they can't find staff. so i'm hoping and praying, yes, now people will be flooding in and wanting a job. neil: all right. a restaurant owner who is actually happy to see extended jobless benefits formally expire on monday. for most. the president talked about the federal government working with the states on that, but with the covid cases reversing, could that change the numbers. they were disappointed 235,000 of the jobs because we expected triple that in the month of august. adam lashinsky with us, and david, cio. david, end with you. and between those two

developments, benefits expiring on monday and perhaps, more importantly, these covid case spikes we've been seeing, easing, if not reversing, is that going to improve the jobs picture? what do you think? >> well, i think both factors will, but far more the first. i don't think that the covid data really ended up hurting the jobs much this summer for the simple reason that most americans insisted upon still living their lives, and are taking an economic activity like free people. so i think the bigger factor that we've struggled with with this incredibly amount of high job openings and not as many people filling the jobs were the incentives were screwed up, neil. incentives from that federal supplement that was never necessary, that was piling on top of many other chance for payments that had taken place and highly distorted the labor market and now in the third and fourth quarter we'll get to clean some of that up. neil: do you think that those jobless benefits, adam, did put

a crimp in this latest report? because by that logic, i mean, we had them in full effect in the prior month and you could make the argument that they've been there for a while. your thoughts? >> well, there's no doubt in the aggregate that they didn't have the major impact that david thinks and other people anecdo anecdotally, that it happened in the margin. there's essentially a study not a difference in hiring between the states that pulled back the benefits and those that didn't. i would say that covid is the number one factor here. i like your optimism about the cases peaking, but we really need to see them go down and then there's probably a lag after that before the people who are holding back are comfortable again. it just takes time. we've already seen that from the three previous surges. neil: you know what is interesting, guys, step away

from the pros and the jobless benefits thing, i'm a little concerned about the fear factor going back to work. for example, in new york city, the tourists are back, but in-person workers are not. that keeps getting pushed back and we've seen google and apple and a host of others push it way back into next year and i'm just wondering that, all of that in an environment, take it up first with you, david, big companies are announcing big hiring plans between amazon and fidelity. i mean, you're talking like the walmarts of the world looking at hiring tens of thousands of folks, but a lot of those folks aren't responding to this. what he is-- what's going on? >> i think that at the end of the day there is a complete distortion in the market, in the jobs front, based on the fact that we have government programs paying benefits out and then you have policy makers in certain states that are

basically begging people not to bring people back to work. i agree that there's a certain level of fear, you could have had more openings taking place in new york city where i am if it wasn't for some of this. it's not justified by the data. far too many employers were looking for an excuse not to open the office because the higher ups like not coming back in. the whole thing people extending their own staycation as long as they can is really quite sad for those at the lower end of the income rung who are bearing the brunt of it, restaurants, coffee shops, dry cleansers, who do not have the activity because people are working on zoom in their pajamas, is really upsetting. neil: a lot of the bosses, some are urging them to get back to work. i think it's more in the financial arena at this point, adam, where they're saying there's something said for you being back and economies

commisserating with each other, and that's assumes you like your co-workers, and like mine. >> i think both of you put your finger on something that has nothing to do with policy and politics and has there been structural change in the workplace and common sense suggests there has been and it's going to take us a long time to unpack exactly what it is, but some of this is going on, and david is right, whether it's sad, i'm actually going to go free market on him. this is what's happening. i don't know if it's people wanting to be in their pj's or people not wanting to commute a long distance because they don't have to. this is the number one policy at that all policy makers can pursue is anything that lowers the rate of infection and that's where the politics has come in and will come in. >> so play it out the rest of the year, david.

what are you looking at? >> well, the problem is that he's wrong about what's best in a free market. actually culture and collaboration matters, so companies will end up seeing to compete at full strength, they need to have people in the office. i think it still does matter that you can mentor young levels of talent. you cannot do that by zoom. and so the free market will bear out and people will have to get back to the office and then you actually benefit those at the lower rung that we have been so willing to dismiss. those in a position of privilege to say that they actually don't care about the restaurants and the busboys and other blue collar workers, so ultimately the free market will bring a solution back to all rungs, but it's been distressing to see toes who say they care so much about the lesser privileged for the last 18 months to be so willing to dismiss their well-being and hide around conveniences around fear of infection and so forth where the data completely,

totally disproven such an idea. i think that by the end of the year you're going to see a lot of people back in the offices, but it won't be back 100% and yet, here in new york city, i think that the financial industry is begging for people to get back and even though it's taking longer than i would have wanted, instead of labor day, i think you're going to see more coming into october. there's still enough old school leadership that understands what i said about culture and guys like jamie dimon and at goldman sachs. neil: anything to say? >> i groo agree on difficult tur, but it doesn't matter. i'm looking at the marketplace. i'm looking at the infection rate coming down and people want to get back into the

world. neil: it doesn't bother me the pajama people, it's the clothing optional and that's one we can spend a long time arguing. all of this at a time when the president has been dealing with these various crises, right? not only the war in afghanistan that ended so horribly, and battling, you know, mother nature as well, walloped his poll numbers. now, what happens after this? ♪ ♪ ♪ monitor, check and lock down you money with security from chase. control feels good.

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in the northeast were more people drowning in their homes and drowning in their cars than anything else and the president indicated that he's going to be travelling to new jersey and new york on tuesday to check out how things are going. so this is something that it's obviously going to be very, very important thing for the president to be on top of here. we have phil wegman joining us now real clear policy-- i apologize, griff jenkins to follow that. so the president added this to his travel list next week. not a surprise, but pretty soon. what do you think. griff: not surprised at all, neil, remember the president made the trip down to louisiana and welcomed there by louisiana's democratic governor john bel edwards, and the two senators from louisiana who are republicans. what you're seeing is obviously a president that is engaging this crisis with the hurricane as all presidents do. the difference now, neil, is

that this white house thought they would possibly be able to move away from the debacle in the evacuation in afghanistan and so, i think you're seeing is when you start this had show a little over an hour and a half ago, you talked about the two storms the president is now having to deal with. now, add to this you have the president's secretary of state antony blinken making the trip over to qatar to engage our allies and how to acknowledge let alone work with a soon to be formed taliban government, for which we are dependent on getting remaining americans out. so, really, i think it's cliche to say, but appropriate that he is talking into a perfect storm of both what now you have the number of deaths, the flooding still happening in new jersey, in patterson, new jersey and places like that, really a storm that wasn't expected to go all the way from new orleans

to new jersey along with the international footing which is anything, but certain on what comes next. >> you know, griff, you think about it. most presidents, it's not that they like storms. they're in a better position to look authoritative and in command than in this case, the collapse of a country of afghanistan that you might have had something to do with. that aside, the president is upsidedown in these numbers and more disapprove about the job he's doing than approved. it sometimes takes a while to climb out of that, if ever. >> now we're about to find out how much political capital he holds right now as congress is about to have one of the busiest legislative septembers they've ever had with moderates in his party along with progressives about to have a bloodletting over the 3 1/2

trillion dollars package while many in the democratic party wait a minute, hold on, let's not rush into this spending because our national debt is $29 trillion and add 3 1/2 to it? and you've already got the 5 trillion spent on the pandemic response. so, i think the president is really walking into a storm on both the international front, on the natural disaster front, and about to go into an uncertain legislative front. neil: yeah, i think i can see what your show is going to be focusing on at the top of the hour. thank you very, very much on that, griff. and lee greenwood, you know him as a country music star and location and the voice of god bless the united states. and it's ubiquitous everywhere. he's next. ♪ i'm proud to be an american where at least i know i'm free ♪ ♪ i won't forget the men who

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♪ i'm proud to be an american where at least i know i'm free ♪ ♪ i won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me ♪ >> i wonder how many times lee greenwood has sung "god bless the usa", and i found he wrote it i think back in 1983, but, of course, through crises and particularly 9/11, it took on a

life and sustains a life of its own, almost unlike any other song on the planet. lee greenwood joins me right now. lee, very good to have you. >> hi, thank you very much, how are you? >> i'm fine. you know, you've given back so much, lee, to remember those who sacrificed those lives, even these 13 brave soldiers who lost theirs in afghanistan. you never forget them and you always go back and it's not just singing a song, it's actually doing some good. what are some of your latest efforts on their behalf. >> i'm so proud the fact that i can do that. we've done numerous uso tours in my career. and after 2020 we have few shows, but we continued to work with wounded warriors, from houston where i'm coming to you live from, help a hero and we build homes for heroes all the time. and our most recent show in

huntsville, alabama, and the von bronn center and we're giving tribute to the musicians with that and we have a program called adopt a vet. if people get on the website and pay $100 and have a vet and his caregiver, amazing artists on the show. i'm looking forward to the chance for our veterans to see a musical production for television. neil: the song in 1983, ronald reagan used it in his campaign, and then 9/11 took it to another will he feel--

took it to another level that americans wanted to hear again and again. >> it was a growing process after the song in 1985 in nashville for the cma. it drifted for a while and we did our uso tours all the way along and general schwarzkopf used it for the war and katrina, the same day that ida hit on the coast and now suffering in new york with that and everything seemed to just go along and all of a sudden, in 1984, of course, the presidential election for reagan. i was on stage in the '84 convention and then i met vice-president bush at the time and worked in his campaigned as well. i was appointed to the national endowment of the arts council and there was much more all the time and usa got to be more important to anybody. after 9/11 i was the only singer, the first singer to sing the national anthem at the dover race track right after the attack on america, and tell me, that was a-- that was one that was just emotional, i could hardly rake

back the tears. neil: but you did and the one thing that amazed me, too. i remember the venues you would sing, a mets game not too long after the world series, the yankees, you were there, but you were everywhere and there was a lot of pressure on you to sort of keep singing, but keep a nation together. it was very palpable what you were wearing on your shoulders there. >> you know, i'm so glad you said that because my wife kim and i, we've been married 29 years and lived through most this have and she understands my dedication to the country and that's why i wrote the song. i'm proud to be an american because there's a lot of things we have to do as americans and each one of us has a responsibility and that's my gift and that's what i give back to the country. i'm trying to do all i can. neil: you're doing that and then some. any plans for this year's 9/11, 20th anniversary? >> we've already filmed a special on live nation in new york. we were there during the

hurricane emery when it came in and jones beach on long island and that we'll be hearing frank siller, tunnels to towers, i'm sure you're familiar with that. walking to new york and they're doing an awful lot of good and i'll be back next week for the fireman's fundraiser at the rock we do every year and as you know, i was at yankee stadium for the fireman's memorial with bette midler and marc anthony, so we don't give up. neil: you do not. >> we don't leave anything on the table and sing all we can. neil: thank you very much for doing that, lee. i think i speak for a nation. we love your voice, but i think we love you. >> thank you. neil: the kind of person you are. lee greenwood. puts it in perspective next week, the 20th anniversary. next saturday we'll be live at ground zero as we have for so many anniversaries in the past

20 years. hard to believe, looking back at the attacks that forever changed our nation, the human capital lost in our nation's financial capital. 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. we'll be joined by new york governor george pataki who got it running back up and next week, we'll see you then. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ introducing the first ever at4 lineup. premium and capable. that's professional grade from gmc. with golo, i've lost 13 inches in my waist. they're outta here. you eat normal food. you're not eating diet food. i'm doing something good for me finally.

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