thank you for spending part of your sunday with us. i hope you have a great week ahead. until next week you can find us online or on the tray gowdy podcast. life liberty and the event is up next. 45. mark: hello america im mark levin this is "life, liberty & levin" and here we are in the original studio. but most of all, little was with me. how are you doing, brother? it is my honor, ladies andet gentlemen we agreed this

country we are in the abyss trying to claw our way out. we want to have this special our to talk with you about what we can do about it and where we are and how we got here. so rather than me doing a one-hour monologue, i thought who best to discuss this with me, that is american marxism than pete thank you for coming. >> i am beyond humbled to be here and when american marxism was in my mailbox i got the embargoed copy. it was like christmas. mark: thank you. >> phenomenal read and it could not be a more important moment for all the reason you stated i had that same feeling that we are not looking at this we're in the middle of itet and you use the word marxism for the first time in a title in your book and if i may i will dive in for a second for

fox and friends i talked about how i like to ask you 100 questions i only have an hour but on page 251 talking about washington reading pains words so you say our challenge today speaking of 1776 is just as crucial and urgent and then more - - many ways is more complicated we did not ask for but it is here and like the early days of the roof on —- revolutionary war, we are losing most was caught flat footed and o unengaged. this feels like your attempt to get people on flat-footed and leaning forward. how do they do that? mark: first of all, i sound self-serving when they tell people please read the book. if you buy the book just pass it to somebody else and then have them pass it or go to the

library. because as you know there is a lot in the book it's not intend to overwhelm but explain. how do we do that? first whether a political operation or military operation or a business plan pla k enemy is your as a political adversary i don't say opponents, these are people who want to take down this country and they are well along the way and we see this so these institutions are under attack things that you would never believe in your lifetime you would hear or see or any executive orders are pushed in the massive omnibus bills to turn on the television do you hear this propaganda where the immediate is the mouthpiece for these various movements i have read a lot of books and it doesn't smell right. used to call it state is him

or progressivism but the truth is it is marxism. americanized forms of marxism tell it to our country and our system is up period marxism in every technical sense but it is these are marks as they say they are marxist they founded it you read the original mission statement they are filled with marxist arguments it is anti- american it is anti- somatic it is anti- capitalism it is the so-called green new deal for climate change which used to be climate cooling climate warming climate change they finally found a phrase they feel they can use. >> it is ambiguous. >> correct anti- capitalists which is why the first active

president biden took was to shut down an oil pipeline which wasn't causing pollution or anything else. so of course they will attack energy that is what provides and serves the engine of our economic system and makes everything else possible in this country you control energy you control the so-called environment you control the budget you control the constitutional system you control everything. i have an entire chapter. the first six chapters are explaining or going into every one of these movements am aware do they come from what do they stand for? i think it is bulletproof so if you are attacking me for calling this marxism then you need to attack the professors and scholars and intellectuals. eyesight them. 400 and notes. i quote them. i commented what they are doing and we need to know who these people are what they are doing and to deal with them.oab

>> i started with what do we do about it because that's what makes this book so special not just problem identification. it is how we as patriots need to do something about it with direct references and opportunities. kudos for that next up and for folks watching that's another reason to get it because you can be engaged and it does feel like other books you have written it could be a movement or reckoning in this country. so what is it about marks philosophy that is so enduring? plan it constantly promises heaven but delivers help that persist nonetheless. but why? mark: a very good question i thought about it there have been so many books written about marks including mine there's a couple of reasons. so as a general matter there are two groups that are attracted to teefifteen those

who do not take responsibility for their own lives and can blame society and look at being oppressed and victims and no personal responsibility or personal accountability or no real connection to society so they project that p onto us so people who are successful need to be dragged down people who are happy need to be sad. people who are productive need to be less productive period destruction that is what marx is about reject the history because it is all anti- humanism the world begins today then there is another group. power hungry people, fanatics

who use liberty to destroy liberty. these are diabolical people. many are tenured professors many are mouthpieces on television or radio some elected from the state of vermont. [laughter] people like that. they think they know how it should work despite the horrendous examples and the optional law —- the offshoots have been and enslaved. it wasn't on the right way.t. >> is that the hubris they didn't get it right we will do it right this time? >> i think it is fanaticism. before the show began we talked about how anti- god, anti- faith, they don't see a higher power. the city government as power. the democratic power today is all about power they don't want to change the lies about black people can vote i don't know where all these people are that could not vote.

where are they? what are their names? there aren't any. in the united, states is more than any other country so they will use race or racism what is the democratic party trying to do? control. was to turn red states into blue states if you nationalize the election process then you nationalizece t the power the democratic party. doesn't care about the country? know. why do i say that? it attacks economic system , the independence of the judiciary and wants to pack the supreme court pack the united states senate c it likes the electoral college when it winds was to destroy it when it loses open borders the only explanation is twofold. one to import democrats we know two thirds of the people come over the southern border if they vote they vote democrat. >> unless it is cuban. >> that shows the power in

politics. joe biden doesn't take the time to go down to see what's going on at the border to even see if his policies are working up intense they are not looking at the attack on our economic system and energy system what is that about? does that make senseisha because clean air clean water we have the cleanest air water of any industrialized society on the face of the earth is not about polar bears for restructuring societies of the centralized government and bureaucracy and the democratic party are in control. if this is not american form of marxism than what is it? >>n it seems like it cascaded so rapidly they were patriotic democrats at the forefront decades ago clinton making the argument to the era of big government is over he was no conservative but also know marxist.

this is that an absolute acceleration is just the tip of the iceberg? how did we get here so fast quick. >> both. they are purifying the party. that's what they do so now unlike other regimes where they go out and kill people who disagree with them, stalin was very good so what is now and castro. pol pot. i'm not compare seeing us to that but it is american marxism so there so-called moderates they are not even moderates they don't know what they are they have senator manchin trying to drag them into the system you know that i cannot even think of a time when the democratic party was marching in the same direction all numbers are not marching exactly the same direction it is really rare when that doesn't happen.

you have people run for the house who claim to be moderates but they all voted for policy they all stepped in line and voted to impeach donald trump twice. so to answer yourou question, it has been building for decades and decades but it has come to a head. one of the reasons i think it has come to a head is year after year the indoctrination of colleges and universities w you see what has happened in journalism and has changed completely always liberal but now out of the closet people of cnn and msnbc even on the big networks never would have made it 34 years ago you would've had responsible executives who would havee40 sad look. cut i it out i know we feel this but we are destroying our brand as a free press so we do not have a free press we have

a free opinion if you are leftist but we don't have a press we have propaganda mills so i spent a lot of time and that the book talking about "the new york times". >> when we come back let's talk about the education piece you write about extensively with the media and some of the key players involved. >> there are some names that i'm even learning for the first time. mark: we will be right back ♪ it's grilled cheese time. ♪ ♪ yeah, it's time for grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ after we make grilled cheese, ♪ ♪ then we're eating grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ because it's time. ♪ ♪ yeah. ♪ ♪ time for grilled cheese. ♪

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mark: welcome back america, this is not so much '"american marxism" but american marxism mark: will come back to america this isn't so much about american marxism that americanro marxism the pump only have in this country to have the guts and the willingness to call it what it is and explain what it is and to defend our liberty because we have reached ay, point. we have reached a point where we live in a free society or we are not. thank you to pete hegseth for being here. >> thank you for having me do, what it is a name names. hates america inc. is the name of one chapter that's about the classroom i recognize john dewey for as you get into chapter four that's more race and gender but when you look at how the infiltrated america's classrooms, feel like that has been central to those how they

been able to take over the institutions. mark: do we was one of the original cabal of progressives as they need themselves and enormously influential he destroyed public education. he went to moscoww.in in 1928 wn stalin was in full form and he observed the classrooms and what was going on and he liked it and said this is very good because we are teaching our children not to be individuals are individualistic but to support a common interest support the communal and stalin was doing a fantastic job of this he comes back to the united states he brags about it right a piece in the new republic and interestingly enough, one of the people or several who liked what john dewey was writing were school

administrators so he broke prolifically john dewey's impact affects our schools today and absolutely journalism today. he rejected the declaration of independence he rejected the constitution all the early progressive. >> the founder of the american public school system rejects the declaration of independence. >> they all do. >> i will tell you why. because the declaration of independence makes abundantly clear this nation was founded on the belief of god and faith. you cannot be a marxist or progressive and believe in faith and god because your faith is in government so only the certain men or yourself or people that agree with you are one of the reasonsea why free

speech is under attack. marxist don't want debate or ideas. they are self-righteous or self-aggrandizing they went to impose her attitude on people the same as education talk about academic freedom. there was no academic freedom it's more indoctrinationn and people, oddly thanks to the virus watching classrooms on their monitors sitting next to their kid and looking over their shoulder, suddenly became familiar with critical race theory because they saw with their kids were taught. oh my god. what is going on in this classroom? or transgenderism is a movement your teaching my eight -year-old about that they are black or they have no hope because they are black and it is racism? teaching my kids they have no hope because of all that has occurred in the past and it's their fault? this is a sort of thing john dewey would be very proud of

them with those progressives do you knowo a single democrat who is criticize this? joe biden signed an executive order supporting critical race theory? why? because they are the american form of marxist they are not progressives, not democratic socialist, not the ambiguous terms that they assigned to themselves they conduct themselves the same way. they are not as aggressive or complete i didn't call itiri marxism i called american marxism. >> other institutions are used to wield that power whether media or social media and universities but nonetheless opponents will be silent or marginalized. >> if you look at the democratic party today are the media today are academia they are not promoting freedom it is the opposite they are crushing debat tom.

they don't believe in the constitutional system if you lose some and win some them play by the rules they want to destroy the constitutional system. if you read what these people right and say it is no surprise my view is i try to make american people aware not everybody can read marx and derek bell unfortunately i have had to read them and hundreds of others. >> how many citations by thek way? mark: over 400 i could've had a hundred pages with 1000 i won't even read that. >> but as you mentioned things it brings to mind other aspects of the book of the idea of whose talent on —- silences people who creates mobs and the outrage that is there amongst the acceptable thinking and then you enforce it tpr. but then you go back to all

these professors it's always a new professor with a new theory you just rattled off a few of them and thenth whether it is critical theory or precursor to critical race theory it is a theory. it doesn't have to be proven that it works but it is a new progressive theory to perfect ourselves are they ever held to account of their theories are effective? >> no. look at the war on the cops we heard about defining the police then slashing budgets we sought with her own two eyes what the democrats did in the cities in the joe biden sat there on his hands kamala harris supported it openly we see the democratic party and the marxist wing which is becoming the democrat party they promoted this and it happened now they blame the republicans for not voting for trillions of dollars of government spending to reorganize our economy because some of that money could be used to help cops. the issue with the cops was

not whether or not there was enough money. they / the budgets in new york they took $1 billion away from the cops not because the republicans don't vote at the federal level to have money but they took the budget that they had for the copsed and / them. scenario see the consequences of the american marxist movement. aoc push this. the democratic party embraced it we have dead people they have blood on their hands and then they blame somebody else. we need to confront this regional what we are confronting and use the proper words and we need to unravel this piece by piece and that is the point of the book is not just a book about me there's nothing about me in this book it is about theory there is theory to brea it down this book is about let me tell you what's going on a little deeper than the surface level we see things but then we walk away from it if we

walk away from this we walkway from our country and children and grandchildren this is a call for action and a cause for alarm i don't know how else to do it rather than radio or tv and this book. we will be right back than the leading allergy spray at hour one. [ deep inhale ] claritin-d. get more airflow. it's the biggest sale of the year, on the new sleep number 360 smart bed. it's the most comfortable, dually-adjustable, foot-warming, temperature-balancing, proven quality night sleep we've ever made. save 50% on the new sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus, free premium delivery. ends labor day.

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welcome to fox news lifetime jon scott planes are still sitting on the ground add an airport in northern afghanistan. there are reports a taliban is refusing to allow those plan on —- please to leave all people on board are believed to be afghans. back here in the us pressure is building on the white house to help those left behind after american troops withdrew from afghanistan. the meantime domestic flights have resumed in the country the state owned afghan airlines is operating between combo and three provinces another migrant caravan presumably headed to the us isn't it updated in mexico in hundred people including women and children were traveling in this one doesn't are in custody many others escaped into the nearby hills. i am jon scott now back to "life, liberty & levin". mark: welcome back, folks.

thank you for being with us i consider this a very important program not because it's about my book by the american marxism. you need to spread the word each and every one of you need to be the paul revere that is our strength. we have strength in numbers and communities and neighborhoodsve ourmuup chart —- church groups temple and baseball fields. red-blooded yanks and americans is our strength. speaking of, pete hegseth thank you. >> you are a true believer since we got here we have been talking about this and so much we cannot get into but we will get to journalism in the moment because that's one —- section fascinated me we hear about critical race theory you dissect where it comes from even critical theory providers the left feel they needed to use race in america to pursue their goals? mark: the marxist has decided to use whatever they possibly can in america, a free

country, so they look for things to exploit. race is beautiful to exploit in this country given our history and the battles of the civil war. so they do all of this theory from stanford law school from the name of derek bell and he modified it from a marxist from the theorist to came out of berlin who helped develop critical theory that started in law schools and it basically says all law is written by the dominanten culture. so victims, those who are oppressed and minorities cannot get a fair break because the dominant culture rights the law. so the law isinan unjust. >> critical theory says everything that exist needs to be torn down. >> . mark: exactly right so they'll

applies this to raise from harvard law. 's everything has to be seen to the lens ofou race. when you look through the lens of race what you see is white supremacy t and a white dominant society from the very beginning. sorry. economic system or legal system, culture is built on the white dominant white supremacy model. either you reject it, acknowledge it. but it has to bee destroyed. these are what i call the american marxist movements bond from marxism marcos cannot understand how it is hitler was able to rise in the communist were not after the pub on —- republic fell and he was a communist he freeze berlin it comes to the united

states spewing his marxism among many books it tenuredfe professor and at least three ivy league colleges where he pushed this agenda trashed america every step of the way and his writings caught the eye of people who now we call the new left. students for democratic action, whether underground he is considered the founding father of the new left movementou but also of critical theory which is the basis of critical race theory so he goes on tv they did not invent these ideologies to make millions of dollars off of promoting this ideology and pretending they don't know what the history is. i know what the history is. it's like patton in north africa h when he defeated rommel and said i read your book. i read the book of marcos, even the great thomas soul on

—- soluble. the he thought he was an intellectual lightweight the ideology was considered fringe at the time now it's taught to elementary school students and others it is anti- american anti- capitalism pro- marxist ideology and if anybody doesn't believe it, read it. they tell us this. now they try to play games bel with the propaganda in the media with msnbc and cnn. they want to teach slavery who doesn't? they don't understand we eliminated slavery the democrats promoted it. >> that these names most people myself included never heard of them so you talking about how they are happy to be in theck background and then they into the classrooms and do they just have an understanding that in the army we would call it the train to trainer approach you train the

next generation and they go further and take it so is a plan always to go from university level down to use our openness and tolerance against us? mark: for some of them. the faculty in these universities are incestuous they are responsible for hiring each other and in the bookr in plundering and deceit i wrote the faculty that are involved in hiring people they know from the same universities it is very incestuous with propaganda and indoctrination that's why we really don't have academic freedom. but someone that i quote is iconic and the movement and she wrote a lot about how we teach marxism in colleges and americanizing them and how we dote this. some of them are in the open but here is the deal every

human being is imperfect every society is imperfect but what marxism does is creates a fantasy of a perfect world everybody is equalal and after the russian revolution, london famously said okay works tells us how to take over. he doesn't tell us how to rule. how do we get the workers paradise ? in order to get the workers paradise you have to kill people and destroy people and their careers. you cannot have free speech or competition you cannot have opene, c debate. if you are going to compel people to live in a society with individuality's all of that has to go we see that play out today in cuba. these are police states it is a fancy ideology and a fancy name for tyrants and totalitarians and that is exactly what is being proposed in this country the biden administration is going door

to door to force people to get vaccines they want big tech to monitor text to see people are putting out information against the administration the biden administration is working with aoo compliant facebook and big tech to do what? silence anybody who doesn't agree with governmentpe policy. it is happening now in front of us. we can talk about it. we can bang the pots and pans one of the reasons i wrote this book. that's not enough it's key we need to know what's going on we need to put away the façade that this is just liberalism or social activism. call it what it is make sure our fellow citizens have an opportunity to know what it is and then do something about it . this is where we fail we don't do anything about it which is why i have the last chapter in the book. we will bebe right back

mark: welcome b mark: welcome back come america the topic with my friend pete hegseth how do we save the country from american marxism? >> journalism. you said it had on talk about two phrases i was not familiar with public journalism and pseudo- events. mark: pseudo- events right now. there are three books right now that are hate trump books filled with gossip"these are pseudo- events so why are news departments talking about three books that are trashing a former president of the united states? unfortunately we all fall into thiss,s, because you want to tak about it we want to get our rating so what do we do about it? nothing and this is part of the problem, the media in this country what part of the

media? we do not have an objective press and there is a reason for this i have a whole section in the book but this is not that. where is public journalism a sound so sweet. and it is progressivism. and where they sought to be objective or journalists ought to be you cannot be perfectly objective and there is some subjective you on —- view. that's definitely to try to do the right thing. they have given that up if you watch george stephanopoulos or the sunday shows a look at who they hire mostly democrats but definitely left usef come it's abundantly clear the last five years donald trump exposed it completely they expose themselveses the way they

cover-up for biden and that marxist or democratic party is not what the democrats are proposing that destroys the voting franchise so it is an entire ideology that's called public journalism so it means we are citizens and we just can't report on what's going on we have to provide remember do we can just teach math and science there has to be a social agenda they love do we and talk about doing. he has anew enormous influence in journalism schools today as education schools today and the point is it is an excuse for advancing a radical agenda which is why for a man and woman they try to destroy donald trump and badmouth his supporters and destroy ronald reagan and badmouth his supporters.

silent if not celebratory with democratic control of the house and senate. they promote a oc who is a nobody and knows nothing. they promote her as the face of the movement. pseudo- congresswoman. and so you will not find as i have said before, attendees were the difference between the mass media today andda these various positions and policies of this bond marxist movements in america. >> is that because they teach public journalism that journalism school so you are trained to say? >> that is a big part of it the newspaper business in media business has embraced all this is in their own boardrooms that's what they want to promote there are no conservative host on cnn or msnbc they are all of the radical bent so they push an

agenda coming out of the democratic party for the most part it's one of the reasons why the country is in such horrific shape. we will be right back gum repai.

mark: welcome back. welcome pete hegseth. pete: thank you, as we talked about in the break. there is so much in here, i want to go back to the solutions, we mentioned a couple example, mark: welcome back pete hegseth. >> in the break we talk about this all day there is so much. i want to go back to the solution because we mentioned a couple of examples. what can people watching do? solutions. words onpe i'm not the expert on solutions but they arere marks - - marx ideas there's a lot of people out there that my goal is to galvanize us into network us to have a national movement as we do with the tea party or the reagan revolution or however you talk about it. this is how they communicated with each other they communicated in written order thomas paine and long pamphlets of 47 pages long and it spread from dinnertable to dinner table pub to pub and school to school. as tth an example, see i cannot

run through all of them let's take a look at our public schools. we own the schools they are called public schools they are government schools we pay their salaries and medical care and pensions we pay the dues ultimately. we pay for the classroom and building and administrators and we have no say whatsoever. we are not sure what's going onoi. they were not tell us what the cheat teachers union absolutely they have announced regardless of what parents think they are pushing critical race theory and the transitioning of the model and whatever the hell they want. i have argued thank you to a call-in of ae radio program we need to have cameras in the classroom we had them all to the virus that some people saw what was going on and were shocked cops where cameras and

cop cars and courtrooms have cameras. why should we have them in the classroom? we pay for that we own it. they will fight it with the union but to hell with the union do we know what's in the teachers contracts? know.s, why? we need to for you that information or teachers hired? why do we know w that? do we know how to get promotions? know. how why?ro textbooks how are those chosen about in the classroom or seminars or training the teachers get? i'm saying is time for us to put them on the heels use the freedom of information act and these groups across the country as the litigator is find out what's going on in push back against the union and what about theseut t unions when i was president of the legal landmark foundation any a asserting that a political institution that is pushing all these american marxist movements so let's challenge

them and challenge the tax status they are doing what they say they do we can take quotes from randee weingarten and go on the website ofio the national education association and it is from your desk i show how to do it when dad is the goal my wife julie calls at the pushback chapter. >> you mentioned education talk about corporation and climate rioters and law enforcementif if education is it you're saying it there will be an arena in which you can get involved. mark: a lot we can do with corporations will have time to talk about but they do have shareholder meetings we don't go there the other side does and also what about sporting leagues? we still have the ability to exercise our freedom to speak

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low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high blood potassium. ask your doctor about entresto. mark: welcome back america i want to thank you pete hegseth for all your help. >> i have one final question, i would be remiss if i did not look into the camera and sayo this is a book that everybody needs to get i read your other books and you never miss words, to be the leader and on the forefront edge that we have to call it by its name and only by calling its name are we able to truly identify and truly do something otherwise were playing pattycake and that's what we've been doing with well-intentioned on a lot of levels and i've argued things in the past to see a book to say this is what it is

this is what you need to know about it, here's who's responsible and then what you can do about it is incredibly refreshing because the flag on it in the back is scary but it is here and we have to do something about it. with the book out in the wonderful reception, what are you hoping for. >> first of all thank you for what you've done in the past for the country and what you're doing now your great voice for liberty, put it this simply there's hundreds of thousands, millions of us who are concerned where this country is going. there's hundreds of thousands of you who have bought the book, we need to spread w the word and explain what's going on beyond soundbites, we can do this, we are smart where the american people whether you're an electrician, plumber or a trucker or whether you build homes, painter, lawyer, doctor or everything in between we are red-blooded americans, i don't care for democrat republican or

independent, i don't care for libertarian or moderate, none of it matters, if you love america and you want to save america and you care about your kids in your future generations, we must galvanize and rally. i don't know how else to say it. love your country and stand for your country. we will see you next time on mark, liberty and love. steve: breaking tonight as biden in the media move on a u.s. citizen and cobble report to tell the banner going door-to-door hunting americans in the leading republican congressman has seen six planes are being held hostage by the taliban. good evening and welcome to "the next revolution" i'm steve hilton and this is positive populism pro-family, pro-community and especially pro america. three members of congress have said biden should be removed for office using the 25th