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we know that. so if something changes, we'll take you back to this event at the white house. fox news alert. we are learning that the state department is blocking flights to get americans out of afghanistan airports, complicating efforts to complete the evacuation of those left behind. this as the president is hearing it from outraged americans. this is "outnumbered." i'm joined by harris and kayleigh, in the spencer seat, entrepreneur and author of the book woke. according to the bombshell e-mails seen by fox news the state department said it will not formally approve chartered planes from afghanistan carrying americans and allies. that state department stated charter flights, even those containing american citizens, would not be allowed to land at

u.s. defense air bases. president biden getting an earful as he tours damage from hurricane ida. >> leave americans behind! we should leave you behind! you! >> leave no american behind! it's sad! it's sad that america has come to this. it is sad! despicable! >> so the biden administration abandoned americans in the wake of their withdrawal and irresponsible arbitrary deadline. after promising the rest of the americans they would get them safely out, they are denying them a chance to evacuate and taking false credit for the sliver of those who have been able to get out. >> i think the biden administration has made a promise to the american people that they would get americans out of afghanistan. it is evident they lied to the american people. now you have private parties who

are stepping in to do what the government should be doing but the government isn't doing. and the worst part of all is the government itself is the one that's stopping these private parties from doing their responsibility as well. i think part of what's going on here maybe that they may be embarrassed that private parties are able to do a better job than the state department. they are cite security concerns. they have to figure out a way to do what they didn't do correctly in their exit. they need to follow through on their commitment to get americans out of the country where americans never should have been in the first place. >> and kayleigh, this e-mail is just one piece of evidence that this administration continues to lie to the american people. >> yes. we have seen a pattern of lying and deception from the biden administration. it was just last week where he told people to lie. he wanted him to talk about the case of the taliban taking over

afghanistan. that was last week. we brought to you another example of this, where the state department was taking credit for the rescue of a woman and her three children. state department had very little to do with that. it was a retired military officer and nonprofit that helps with that. then it's just one after the other. this tall tale from blinken. blinken told us it's my understanding that the taliban has not denied exit to anyone. yesterday we rolled a tape of a 25-year-old, a pregnant woman, who the taliban was shooting at her foot as she tried to get on one of those planes. i'm pretty sure that's denying exit. this leaked e-mail. they are saying they are not approving the flights when on september 2nd you had jen psaki denying that allegation. now there's e-mails. a pattern of lying. >> do you know what, emily? i want to respond to something you said though. president biden said that all of these things are not happening in terms of what was going on on

the ground with the taliban. we asked the president then to basically, i guess, stretch the truth about whether or not they were moving and taking that country over quickly. he has told us previously that he was not aware that afghanistan was being taken that quickly. so why would he need somebody not to tell the truth of what was going on on the ground, if in fact he didn't know the taliban were on the move so quickly? >> you make a good point. >> harris: do you see what i'm saying? literally, we were losing afghanistan to the taliban. now he's saying he knew it and wanted help to help what was going on on the ground. that's what i hear you communicate. >> exactly. rick grenell said in june, there was a report in june that the taliban was on the move. we know that in july he did know they were taking over. you raise an interesting.on that phone call. if he didn't know, why was he saying whether it was true or not. he did know. that's the answer.

>> kennedy, first of all, happy birthday. >> thank you. >> last night you had an incredible interview with a navy seal. he's been instrumental in the process and evacuation. what were your take aways? >> he is one of these boomer operators who has answered the call and gone over to help his fellow americans. he made a really stunning pointed. that was he had never been more proud of americans and their response to tragedy. he's never been more embarrassed by the united states government. he's one of those people who was calling for the resignation or firing of tony blinken, lloyd austin and more accountability from the president. what he has said, these people are entering harms way. they are putting themselves in danger in order to save the people who are left behind, people who have been blamed by the federal government, by tony blinken himself, saying the only

reason they're there is because they have chosen to stay. all you need is testimony from some of these people who are desperate to get out of the country, whose lives are in danger. there are voters like the people in new jersey who aren't going to forget any time soon. the president tried to shirk responsibility saying those people, they aren't even from here. first of all, you don't know that. second of all, their anger is real. their sense of outrage is very real. i got the sense that they are going to continue to go back there. they're going to go back to either afghanistan or some of these third countries in order to process people to get them to safety. the othe point that he made that was so important, this administration had no problem evacuating 120,000 people. what kind of vetting process do you think they went through, when only 5% of those people were americans. now they're complaining that the people who are still there aren't properly vetted?

we need uniform standards. >> that's right. we have video that we're going to show of the president and heckling that occurred when he was touring the northeast thursday after the remnants of hurricane ida and the damage that hurricane inflicted. watch. >> none of them were shouting or complaining. every one of them were thanking me as if it was something special. i mean it sincerely. were standing on the other side of the fences who don't live there who are yelling that we're talking about interfering with free enterprise by doing something about climate change. they don't live there. they don't live. they don't understand. >> harris: don't live where? >> you do live there. >> harris: we can multitask. we can talk about losing americans a world away because of a decision now that i'm starting to question based on our previous conversation.

did he have a better idea of how quickly the taliban was taking over that country and still put us in that very dangerous situation, motion of retreating and putting our guys, our men and women in the military, and all of the citizens, afghans and americans, on a kill zone spot. did he have the idea that that was a potential? i want that question answered. the american people can multitask. new jersey, pennsylvania, all the way through louisiana, we were hit hard by ida. it was awful. if he thinks because we live outside of a fence that they have protecting him that we, as americans, are stupid and can't speak up on a host of issues? he's mistaken. we will be loud. i want those answers. >> we all do. >> 100%. >> moving on, meet afghanistan's new ruler. former gitmo prisoner repieced by president biden in a prisoner swap, now taught members of the new taliban government including a known terrorist on the fbi's

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>> the taliban are putting their new government in place including posts for four gitmo detainees released by president biden. all of that's part of the prisoner swap for beau bergdahl. one of these bad guys, the interior minister, has a $10 million fbi bounty on his head. he's also believed to be holding an american hostage. president biden recently had this to say about afghanistan's ruler. >> i think -- let me put it this way. i think they're going through a crisis about, do they want to be

recognized by the international community as being a legitimate government. i'm not sure they do. >> wow. it's amazing. we have reporting, two defense department officials reported to i believe it was politico saying general mackenzie were calling them afghan partners. are these their afghan partners? four terrorists exchanged in the bergdahl deal. these are our partners? >> it is one step closer. the taliban are testing us by putting former prisoners in the highest ranks of government. the taliban says, in the u.s. say they're not a recognized terror network. fine. by putting the head of the network as the head of minister of interior, that is a sign to

the united states to see how will we respond. every one of our foreign adversaries is watching. i guarantee you china is watching. the problem with the biden administration, when they are testing they capitulate rather than pushing back. that's the most dangerous signal of all. even if it wasn't one of the prisoners who came in, could have been another prisoner. these are the people you imprisoned, united states. we're going to put them in the top ranks of the government. let's see what you do. the biden administration is sitting. i wonder about the signal that it sends not just to the taliban but all of our foreign allies. >> i laughed when i read it. read in part they are concerned by the track record of some of these individuals. that's the understatement of the century. >> harris: they're willing to take the taliban's government. nobody is really trying to get out of there. they're willing to listen to the

taliban at the same time. senator earnst of iowa said something i heard today. they're from two different areas of expertise, obviously, although she is a military veteran. that is that the state department is in poor, poor mode in terms of its crisis handling. it isn't able to do it. senator earnst said, what do they need? it's a mess. senator saying they're part of the problem. it's one thing to be in disarray. it's another thing to block americans from coming home. you don't think that the enemy sees that. that the arm of our government that's supposed to be dealing with it is defunct? how much will rome burn, at this point? it is a stick in our eye for them to put someone in jail in charge of their government. that's not an accident. that's actually strategy. >> it no doubt is.

biden, i have to laugh, going back two weeks ago during the interview he did where he said the taliban is going through a crisis as they're trying to find their place in the international community. i don't think so. i don't think so. what are americans supposed to feel right now? on one hand we have our largest law enforcement agency that has said this guy is one of the ten most wanted criminals in the entire planet. yet we have the biden administration telling us, oh, wait and see approach. this guy's in charge of all of law enforcement of afghanistan's largest city and we are supposed to wait. what we should be more horrified about, this sharia law government doesn't have a female. i care about the safety of humans. that inkwhraouds americans and those afghans on the ground. i fear for them. i fear for their future. we keep coming back to the same thing. it was all preventible.

>> the words of the government were, we want women in government. the actions are, we are going to brutalize the women who are protesting and take them as brides as very young girls. their actions have been crystal clear from day one. >> sex trafficking, murder, very lucrative opium trade. the taliban has not found itself in a crisis. they are now silly with guns, ammo, tanks, grenades. you name it, they've got it. they're going to sell it to make even more money. they're actually in a fantastic position. i don't think they really care where they stand on the international stage. you know, we talk about them holding one american hostage.

they could have 500 hostages. the iranian hostage crisis, this beats that by ten times. i wish they would be more forward looking. the mess they have left there, it will have reverberations for a long time. where is the urgency? enough of this afghan thing and the excuses. department of defense has lied to us for long enough. this administration absolutely needs to be held accountable. so far they have blown it. >> no accountability so far. to your point about the taliban fooling us, he sends a pretty clear message when they are set to inaugurate their interim government on september 11. they are sending a message. >> they are sending a message, no doubt about it. there's a real question about american strength. that is the real question, not the taliban. the existence of american strength on the global stage.

>> that's right. dr. anthony fauci was close to falling from grace after a new report suggested the u.s., dr. fauci, knowingly sent money to the wuhan lab in china. it was all swept under the rug. the main stream media more concerned about crowded football stadiums.

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minutes after the report was released. did not even ask him once about it. instead they talked about whether large crowds should be allowed inside football stadiums this fall. >> when you look at crowds like that, do you approve of that or is that just not smart? >> no, i don't think it's smart. i think when you're dealing particularly -- outdoors is always better than indoors. even when you have often is congregate setting of people close together. first, you should be vaccinated. when you do have congregate settings, particularly indoors, you should be wearing a mask. >> harris: i love fruit, low hanging or otherwise. low hanging fruit there. just ask about the stadiums. >> here's what i can't get over. the journalist, media, that's supposed to represent ordinary americans. who is representing all of the questions that americans have? who is going to hold that man accountable for his statements

and the fact that the authority he essentially has granted himself that affects every american. to those stadiums, look, i love a good football game. you know it. >> harris: u.s. open was packed. they didn't talk about that. >> exactly. that should be a local decision. my home stadium, huskies, best team in the world. >> harris: what? >> you show your vaccination card or proof of negative test, right. masks are a different story, different issue. the whole point is they set a way to have those fans enjoy the civic right that we are all part of, without ostracizing them coming from one man who continues to be given a pass of fundamental issues, including the origination of this virus and what he knew about it. >> harris: i always believe comeupeth.

it gets you in the end. why lie? why not say what the truth is? i'm sure they can come up with something. be honest about it. china is not going to look at our records now. >> he can't be truthful because the truth would mean very likely, if it did originate in a lab, the u.s. helped fund a pandemic from a lab in wuhan china. when you read these 900 pages of documents obtained, the grant request acknowledges the dangers of this research. dr. fauci, i presume he read the application, which said the grant proposal acknowledges some of these dangers, highest risk of exposure to sars or other covids while working with that high density overhead just to be inhaled. presumably he read this. presumably he green lighted the funding and now lying about it to congress.

senator rand paul has been on him from the beginning. >> harris: i look at this also a slightly different way. was it just a lie or was it people are too busy, they're not smart enough to figure this out? i will say it this way, we didn't pay for the pandemic. >> it is really important to see with clear eyes what the likely source of this pandemic was. u.s. had a ban on the research. rogue scientists disagreed with that decision. anthony fauci is on record disagreeing with that. he went through the back door. either by accident or worse, that leaked from a lab and created the pandemic of a century. and you wonder why americans mistrust science or scientific beliefs? they have given you no reason to trust anything that they say. possible responsible parties in part for the greatest pandemic of a century going about, lying about it over the course of the

last year now say wear masks have given the public no reason to trust them. i studied molecular biology at harvard. i care about the pursuit of science, truth. we have a crisis of public trust in science. it isn't because ordinary people are too stupid that they should trust science, the science in this country, including dr. fauci, has given them no reason to trust them at all. >> harris: i want to double down on something specific. as i have been talking with nurses and doctors, 40% in new york city, are not vaccinated. that's some of the reasons why you're talking. they don't trust the science based medical industries that they live in because they have seen so many things. >> i lived in elite america. nothing annoys me more right now than the scorn for the people who are skeptical of getting the vaccine, or the scorn for the people who are skeptical of the

advice that they get without looking in the mirror and asking themselves what role they played in fuelling that crisis of institutional mistrust. they ought to look in the mirror first before deciding where that originated. >> harris: we can talk about it. if they don't trust scientists, which is what you're saying, maybe you're right. maybe we better take a look at why that is. kennedy? >> yeah. you don't have to follow the science. you can follow the money and the paper trail. there is a lot of accountability still to be had by francis collins and anthony fauci. they had a big hand in this. they were the ones who were able to give the up or down vote, almost single handedly, behind closed doors, to these research grants. they changed the structure so it would be easier to get that money out of the country to institutions that were doing this research.

the idea that the fact there were a lot of researchers that didn't like the idea of publishing this research to begin with. they thought it was a blue preupb for bioterrorism. when all of this emerged and scientists in the wuhan lab started dying, i'm sure dr. collins and fauci had to go because they knew the genie was out of the bottle. instead of trying to put it back in, they're busy finger wagging at people who are going to college football games who after a year and a half can do their own cost benefit analysis and make their own decision whether or not they're comfortable being outdoors with a bunch of people. >> harris: this is not about whether or not we can prevent this in the future as much as it is how do we get out of this right now? it's not that people necessarily don't trust science.

it's the human beings pedalling the information that is supposed to motivate or dictate our movements, that's where they don't. that's incredibly powerful information. >> it is. people are opposed to authoritarian dictate. someone hesitant about the vaccine, you impose an authoritarian dictate, you will have the opposite effect. >> harris: what do you do? >> start allowing people freedom. put out science, more information about the vaccine. i had the vaccine. i believe the science behind it. give people the choice. tell people the science. but don't impose an orwellian mandate. that just back fires. >> harris: i didn't know you were all up in that, microbiology. it's good for this one. coming up a minnesota bail fund once backed by kamala harris is facing criticism. a man bailed out allegedly

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>> vice president kamala harris is in california trying to help governor newsom with his recall. a man here, george howard, was in prison on domestic abuse charges until the minnesota freedom fund bailed him out. vice president harris was among many public figures who supported the fund. the group bailed out detained protesters last summer in the wake of george floyd's death. now just weeks later, after being bailed out, he's charged with second degree murder for a road rage beating. this is the problem that i see with these over broad one size fits all criminal justice.

you strip away the right to provide discretion. you get unjust attention and unjust release. when you add in this celebrity endorsement that our vice president was part of, then it has combustible results. >> yeah. and it on takes one. the vice president has had a really tough time mostly of her own making lately. this is just yet another example that shows she's not serious about criminal justice reform because this is not how you do it. we've seen it in cities like portland and seattle and san francisco and los angeles and throughout the country. when you have this activist application of some good intentions, you get horrible outcomes. that's on top of her blowing it on the border. she has no idea what to do in terms of foreign policy. she is a total light weight. that's why we haven't heard from

her on afghanistan. in california, it is hard to tell who is the less popular politician, between her and gavin newsom. they are both ambitious, but in terms of political activism, they are pretty empty. >> they continue to remain radio silent on real actions and real change. >> if this was an active virtue signaling by kamala harris. the problem with signaling your virtue, at some point the appearance of virtue becomes more important than your virtue. you will implement policy that prevents black people and all people in this country from getting killed. the victim was a hispanic man. progressive policies are hurting the very people that progressives supposedly care about helping with those very policies in the first place.

what we have seen repeatedly is that weak policies, policies that are weak on crime, peak on policing, beget more crime and beget more weakness. it's true on the international stage. we see domestically, the ability to invite things from people we don't want and we all suffer in the end. >> harris, do you think the righteous mob, i'm paraphrasing the point about that. will there ever be a collective lesson learned? will there ever be individuals learning this lesson along the way so this entire performative effort does need consequences here. that will -- that point will somehow be reached. >> harris: we have to take away this. it's working for them. it's working for the now vice president. she wasn't vice president in 2020.

when she sent out the tweet. it was quite the promotion. now you see what's gone on in the summer, one individual who did what he did in the past, was bailed out and submitted murder allegedly. some of that promotion for fund-raising might be working. now you have the highest profiled woman in the country advocating for this. she may not be doing it now but there's a residual effect of that. question that i would have for the vice president, what do you say to that group now? you can't undo your tweet. would you deny anything about your history with them or want to make a difference moving forward? i think that's a fair question. you can follow the paper trail. tweet, fund-raising.

how much did it help? >> you asked a key question here. group 2017/2018 had $100,000. then they get the promotion from harris. not just harris. the hollywood elite. now they have 35 million. you go from 100,000 to 35 million. they are bailing out domestic abusers. one girl who stabbed her friend to death. they bailed her out. bailed out someone who sexually assaulted an 8-year-old. these are the types of people they are bailing out. i wondered why. i googled it and found this quote from their executive director. i often don't even look at a charge. i will see it after i pay the bill. that is not the point. the point is the system that we're promoting. it sums it up. lays it very clear. it is the system we are fighting, without discretion. they literally don't care. that's the irony. it's not as if, we had no idea,

this is case of neglect. they do not care. >> harris: they're incentivized to fight for what they call their brand of justice. remember who is supposed to be blind? justice is supposed to be blind. right? but they're choosing to be because they want their own vigilante justice. are there problems in our bail system? of course there are. you've soon it up close, emily. you know there are. but this is the question. do you go to the former state that she was in, and ask her, is this what you intended? because that's what's happening. it didn't fix it. what is the next step, vice president? are you going to help take that group apart? what are you doing? >> i think americans, many of us have been looking at this. her numbers are the lowest

they've been for a vice president since 1989. a poll shows less than 50% have faith that she has the qualifications needed for the commander in chief role. >> harris: that's a problem. >> just ahead new york city planning to roll out a unique program to combat crime. it includes paying young people identified as being at risk not to commit a crime. details are up next. one, two! one, two, three! only pay for what you need! with customized car insurance from liberty mutual! nothing rhymes with liberty mutual. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! [sighs wearily] here, i'll take that!

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>> an e-mail shows the state department blocking flights from leaving afghanistan. what's that all about? we've got coming up next. the new rules for the taliban government for a former gitmo detainee. we have a scorching piece today on whether president biden should attend 9/11 remembrances. we also have the latest on the california recall and that bizarre murder/mystery in south carolina. i'm john roberts. anita vogel and i will see you at the top of the hour with america reports. >> harris: new york city's new

program to fight crime is drawing some sharp criticism. the plan will play young people who are identified as at risk a stipend for their participation in a mentor program which leads them to getting a high school diploma or driver's license. a spokes person for the national police association says it this way. providing a financial incentive to not commit gun crime is most suredly a fanciful unscientific solution to a very specific problem. instead of stigmatizing and punishing bad behavior, this program rewards a neutral behavior and will undoubtedly be ripe with fraud. >> this is fantastic. so any kid who wants to go to the city and say, i'm at risk, they're going to get 1,000 bucks a month. this is just rich. you shouldn't be incentivizing kids who work hard, stay in

school, study and change the world. it's really the opposite. these programs don't work. they've tried them in different cities. most cities have dropped them. some cities have seen a reduction in crime short term. long term, it has no meaningful impact. again, you are marginalizing the best among us. >> harris: i wish there were a way to mark it. we're in a virtual world. if someone wants that fast cash, i'd love to follow the money and see where it goes. does i really turn some lives around or do the kids reinvest in the crimes they were part of? >> i would say, i'm not sure that i would want to follow the money. this is a form of systematic therapy. what we need in this country but all our cities in particular is a cultural cure. we need to go upstream and look at what are the causes of crime in the first place? let's talk openly about family

structure. let's talk about family formation and access to the public schools. instead we're going downstream. one of the thing i like about eric adams in new york city, he calls himself an upstream progressive. this is a downstream progressive policy, by trying to ultimately, if you have extra money, you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. they think bribery solves everything in government. it doesn't work that way when you're working with kids. this is another progressive solution that creates a smoke screen that prevents them from actually talking about the causes of these failures in the first place. that's the conversation that we need to be having, and instead we're debating how to bribe kids not to shoot each other. >> harris: some soft things emily will talk to me about is former path in prison she was on. she's not a criminal, but just how many people she has seen. what turning lives around can really look like. what is this saying?

>> i love that you brought up that. thank you very much for that. there is i want to talk about the contrast. the program in san francisco invests in people who are former criminals. this is where the conversation gets nuanced. the payments are in the form of gift cards to companies. it is ex-criminals. they're being public safety influencers. it's not that we're paying you not to commit crimes. you're getting a stipend to go out there and be that positive influence. >> harris: wow. >> there are plenty of people who come out of prison who do that on their own. they are rehabilitated and committed from being in that retributed environment. note that in part is paid for by federal grants. just because you don't live there doesn't mean you aren't affected by it.

in richland, california, gun violence dropped by 60%. the long term investment, that's where that comes into play. that's where things come into play that we'll continue to talk about on the couch. increasing investment in community service, in policing, not defunding, prosecution. when a system is already set up where you have deferred consequences to not obeying the law. we already have that. so i think it begs that question. for kids, certainly, absolutely not. >> i think most people can see the idiocy of this as one former police sar general said. this is rewarding inaction. they're trying to do this in san francisco, similar program. gavin newsom wants to use medicade funding to reward people who promise not to be

addicts. how about we just refund our police departments? that's a pretty simple way to bring down crime, fund our police officers. >> harris: i want to know where the incentives are or stipends are for the victims? they are the most at risk. it's one thing to be at risk for committing a crime but if you're at risk for receiving the but let, where's the incentive there? that's not built in. it is when you have police doing their job, when they're funded and able to be out there fighting crime. i see a big bubble above your head. >> you inspired me. there's a fine line between victims and perps. between those involved in gang wars, being shot or shooting someone in that moment. as well, that line is blurred when you take it out of the conversation of just straight up benefitting victims of crime. >> harris: more "outnumbered" in a moment.

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