>> you are watching a special edition of "outnumbered." 50 to 15 years of terror attacks september 11th, 2001. we are together outdoors. i am harris faulkner. here today, cohost, emily compagno, along with kayleigh mcenany. during this hour, we will look back on that fateful day, and

where we are as a nation two decades later. we will remember the brave first responders and police officers who made the ultimate sacrifice, and we will consider what happened to that sense of unity we felt after the nation was attacked. joining us today is former state department spokesperson morgan ortagus. in the virtual seats today, ari fleischer, former white house press secretary and fox news contributor. first, our top story. president biden announcing sweeping vaccine mandates that could impact the private center in unprecedented ways. republicans were furious over it, calling it unconstitutional. some g.o.p. governors are threatening legal action against it. here is what the president said last night. >> president biden: this is not about freedom or personal choice. it is about protecting yourself and those around you. the people you work with, the

people you care about, the people you love, the department of labor is developing an emergency rule to require all employers with 100 or more employees that together employ over 80 million workers to ensure their workforces are fully vaccinated. or, show a negative test at least once a week. we have been patient, but our patience is wearing thin, and a refusal has caused all of us. please do the right thing. get vaccinated. >> stop whispering. [laughter] this marks a stunning reversal for president biden. take a look at how he used to feel about vaccine mandates. >> reporter: do you think the vaccine should be mandatory? >> president biden: no, i don't think it should be mandatory. i would do everything in my

power, just like i don't think masks should be made mandatory. >> harris: kayleigh mcenany. >> kayleigh: it's amazing, harris, when you look at the hypocrisy of what jen socking, biden, pelosi used to say. it's remarkable. the language being used, it is like something that would come from the mafia, trying to shake people is what bill de blasio said. "the voluntary phase is over." this is what you would hear from a mob boss, not a president of the united states. i remember being on the campaign trail with president trump. i remember how, and biden use to talk about vaccines. let's roll the tape. >> the pledge donald trump is taking, i'm not taking it. >> if the president announced tomorrow that we had a vaccine, would you take a question mark only if it was transparent and other experts in the country could look at it, only if we

knew all of what went into it. so far, nothing he has told us has been true. >> we have vaccine hesitancy problems, you just saw the reason why. >> i have forgotten how specific the then the candidate joe biden was, but very specific about what would be necessary for him not just to take it, but to actually advocate for faxing. why hasn't he done that? why hasn't he used the advocacy that he could from the pulpit and say "look, this came from the previous administration. i know 75 million of you voters voted for that man over me. i'm continuing what he started." he doesn't have much to be able to get the conversation started. >> emily: may be a little bit of honor and honesty, that's what the american people deserve. they are not getting it soon from the biden administration, because they will never admit

that. >> harris: it's never too great to do something great. >> emily: let's talk brass tacks. this is so unconstitutional, any court -- it's a question of authority. they have to show us that it was necessary to address that grave danger. employers must manage it. keep in mind, this administration defines a small business as 1500 employees or less. we know that the tenth amendment, any power not delegated to the federal government is reserved for the states and people. this is just like the eviction moratorium but the courts

throughout. this administration uses the wrong authority to try to skirt around the issue so they can check boxes of their progressive, liberal agenda. >> kayleigh: they admitted it. >> harris: i want to get back to where the numbers are, is it 100 for small business, or 1500? are they playing a shell game there? >> emily: issuing this mandate for any business with 100 or less. it's so much more overbroad than necessary. they define a small business as 1500 or less, yet here they are applying such a narrow standard. this affects millions who won't be able to keep up. >> harris: kayleigh just mentioned this, the president's chief of staff retweeted this from an msnbc host, who rode "osha doing this fax mandate as an emergency workplace safety rule is the ultimate workaround for the federal government to

require vaccinations." what is your thought on that? >> i guess osha could order restaurants in america to close. what role in the federal government that is not, by constitution, the role of the federal government? look, it's times of emergency that you have to be most on guard for the federal government. with joe biden, what we have seen with both afghanistan and vaccines, he has found a way to botch doing the right thing. people wanted to withdraw from afghanistan. he botched the way we did it. people want to get vaccinated. people want americans to get over covid. he has botched it by making this mandatory. this argument about "you have to protect people." why is he drawing the line at what companies with 100 employees or more? shouldn't it be every company everywhere? why is he exempting people from the united states postal

service? once again, it is a joe biden botch of something most people want to take the right steps to get over covid, but you have to do it in accordance with the constitution. i fought back after the anthrax attacks in october 2001. if george bush "every american must take --" people might have been scared, but new we didn't have the power. president's don't have that power, and have to be mindful in time of emergency to be on guard. >> emily: just to clarify, technically, the ust f is not part of the executive branch of the government, which is why they did not fall under the mandate. >> harris: what about the white house? it is not mandated there either. >> emily: that is a question for joe biden. >> morgan: every time we talk

about covid, kayleigh and my colleagues worked incredibly hard in operation work to get these vaccines done, even whenever it was being politicized from the clips that kayleigh showed at the beginning. i would encourage everyone to talk to primary care doctor and please consider getting the vaccine. it could save your life. however, when i look at this federal mandate, from a business perspective, a lot of things come to mind. first of all, how is this information collected, how is it stored, how is it reported to the federal government? if you don't comply, are you required to fire workers if they don't comply? it's not just vaccines. it's very personal medical information that has to be stored somehow and reported to the federal government, if you choose to do the weekly testing. again, who pays for that test? does the employee pay, the employer? i bring up these questions, because to me, when i listen to the speech, the first thing that

came to mind was "this is a political play to distract from the 20th anniversary of 9/11 and the botched withdraw from afghanistan." the reason why i say that is all the questions i just asked that employers around this nation need to be able to understand have not been answered. that's what you saw or heard political speech. the last thing i would say, i looked up on reuters this morning which countries required extensive mandate president biden issued yesterday. from what i can tell from the writer's research, there is about six countries who require this. guess who we are in company with on this mandate? china, russia, saudi arabia are among the few, the most extreme mandates any democracy in the world has issued, more extreme than anything in western europe. >> harris: as we wrap this up and get ready to go to a

commercial -- we are sitting outside, starting to live our lives the way we have read we have seen numbers go right back up, hospital workers exhausted on our street corners in new york. we know they are fighting a mighty battle. took because at some of us to hate others because we make different choices is not the way, and it hurt my heart to see a president yesterday it not make a better choice about messaging. you always have a choice about messaging. >> kayleigh: remember, president biden's inauguration speech, he used the word "unity" more than a dozen times. yesterday in a scripted speech, not senile out-of-control vitamin a to end in a q&a session -- in a scripted speech, literally said "if you are vaccinated, you have a right to be vaccinated at the unvaccinated." i am vaccinated and i'm not angry at the unvaccinated come some of whom are my family members or peers. i am not afraid.

i'm having these conversations. my question is, how did that speech get through the email chain or vetted by the staff? how did you get past chief of staff, press secretary's office customers feel now that's what you are saying they wish were untrue, that he doesn't just have people around him just agreeing with him and saying "yes, yes, yes." if you have a better idea, something great to say, that gets edited into the email. if you don't, it just keeps getting past the way the president wants. >> emily: that is the hallmark of a true leader, someone who knows where their limits are and allows people to bring all angles, dynamic on all levels and don't just say yes to this overbroad, unconstitutional upheaval. the other thing about unity, a bird and he placed on us. he placed the burden of anger, divide, feasibility on these employers. it's like he has tasked us with the heaviest load rather than unifying and lifting us up. he is the opposite of a leader.

>> harris: it is a missed opportunity. we are talking and thinking "he could have deployed us to go talk with neighbors and friends and relatives and ask what's going on." let me tell you how i feel about the second shot. "i will drive you to a doctor so you can get an expert's opinion." he could've said a lot of things. kayleigh, on our way out, want to -- >> kayleigh: improvising. [laughter] backlash after the white house called the taliban "professional and business-like." amid scenes of torture and brutality, as the nation is set to remember the worst attack on american soil 20 years later. veteran homeowners, home values are at all-time highs.

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>> kayleigh: president biden hoped to mark the 20th anniversary of 9/11 with the end of america's longest running war. instead, his administration is busy negotiating with the very group that brought us there. we've seen the taliban brutality in reprisal, women beaten and whipped in the streets during a demonstration in kabul. we must warn our viewers about what we are about to show. two afghan journalists left severely battered and bruised after being beaten by taliban fighters for covering a women's protest. pair saying they were pummeled with electrical cables and whipped after being detained for several hours by taliban fighters a day earlier, one of

them saying "the taliban put his foot on my head, crushed my face against the concrete. they kicked me in the head. i thought they were going to kill me." when asked why they were being beaten, he said he was told "you are lucky you weren't beheaded." the other reporter saying "we are in so much pain that we could not even move." our own peter doocy confronting jen psaki over a white house statement that plays the taliban for being "businesslike and professional" for allowing an evacuation flight out of kabul. peter -- >> peter: you are saying the taliban is businesslike and professional. their interior minister has an fbi wanted poster, a $10 million bounty on his head. what is the business? >> secretary psaki: we are here to celebrate the return of american citizens who wanted to leave afghanistan of legal permanent residents, of afghans who fall by our side,

successfully on an airline flight. in order to get those people out, we had to work with members of the taliban to work in a businesslike manner to get them out. >> kayleigh: harris, the audacity of calling taliban "businesslike and professional," when we have heard multiple accounts of taliban putting guns to the heads of our peers, our fellow americans. >> harris: if we know who they are, that's why we fought them, why we were there for 20 years. we knew what it was like. that is the audacity and where it begins, why did we leave the way we did knowing who they really are? now, the world gets to watch us being represented by a government that is willing to kiss the boot of the enemy to try to save a few of us that where there who they never should have left behind in the first place. we lost our leverage. with this, i'm starting to wonder, was there some kind of promise made to the taliban that we would help legitimize them on

a world stage, like "i will give you a dollar if you give us five people, whatever that was like?" that was also a bad idea. performative art in this type of environment with terrorists is never a good idea. it just informs other enemies of what they can get us to do in the future. we have the ability to put boots there. i don't want to say boots on the ground, because people think you mean going to war. we've got special forces. we can get our people out and leave, right? we can make his lie affect by saying we did not leave anybody behind. i don't know if this administration has the fortitude to let the military do its job. >> kayleigh: i would love to see that lie become a fact and not have stranded americans, but the reality is, emily, americans were held hostage for nearly a week not allowed to take off from those planes. the taliban green-lighted that.

we were relying on the taliban -- how amazing is that -- when they green-lighted them, they said "you've got to travel eight hours." 30 americans got on that flight that should have taken off, but all of that and the audacity of the white house to put out this statement, we will pop it up on the screen. it read in part "the taliban has been cooperative in facilitating the departure of american citizens and lawful permanent residence on charted flights. they have shown flexibility, and they have been businesslike and professional in our dealings with them in this effort. this is a positive first step." positive that americans were held hostage in the taliban's custody. >> emily: this is reprehensible. i am ashamed at this casino commander in chief, that these are the things being blessed by his white house. are you joking me? journalist's injuries, i had to look away, then i made myself look back. i should not look away at the

harm being inflicted on the press. let's remember what then candidate biden said about what he called president trump's attack on the meet up: attack on the media "corrosive." he said the freedom of the press is more boring than anything in the world, and to attack it is dangerous. i'm paraphrasing, but he used the word "dangerous." here we see journalists trying to report on women being whipped with rubber hoses while being watched, and they were tortured, held in captivity. those injuries are horrific. then, we have a spokesperson who said they are "businesslike." it is unacceptable. i won't stand for it. them talking about covid, trying to shift the topic, won't work with me or us. >> kayleigh: morgan, on a day when the white house berated unvaccinated people, saying they will "pay the price," the taliban was praised. i'm sure you got this, morgan. there was a phone call with

china where we were told it was respectful. china and taliban are treated differently than americans. >> morgan: those readouts are always hard to write, as you remember, after the president or secretary of state has a call with a foreign leader. that was about as vague as one could be. also, markedly different from what the chinese release. when you look at -- harris made the point brilliantly earlier -- when you look at what leverage we have, we have no military leverage with the taliban. we are not there. we cannot put a gun to the head of the taliban. we have no leverage but economic. the question harris laid out at the beginning of the segment is what congress should be asking secretary lincoln under oath next week. he is supposed to tucker testified he is supposed to testify.we kno asylum agreements for these

refugees. we don't know where they are going, also u.s. military bases. there are so many unanswered questions. we need to get to the bottom of it under oath next week, multiple digitals -- >> kayleigh: here's a united nations statement condemning the taliban and access to the global market place. the taliban relies on criminal enterprises, using that leverage that is going to go a long way. >> the administration has a stockholm syndrome, which is when you are kidnapped, taken hostage, and develop a fondness for your kidnapper. you have to acquiesce to everything you are told to do, and so you are 100% on the people who just took you hostage. that is the biden administration's approach to the taliban. it's separate from stockholm

syndrome, instead of having a leader in strength, its stockholm syndrome. >> kayleigh: that's the best i put it put a period of coming up, right after 9/11, revered as heroes. now, antisentiment is exploding and many feel under attack.

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>> emily: in the days immediately after the september 11th attacks, americans celebrated police officers and first responders as heroes, honoring them for running towards danger and in many cases sacrificing their lives. today, it's a different story. anti-police sentiment has exploded in the wake of george floyd and other high-profile cases. harris spoke to former nypd

officers on the job on 9/11, including one who was attacked by protesters last summer. >> i have been dealing with protests for 20 plus years. in this particular case, this was organized against the police. unfortunately, these attacks continue. >> i am sickened by how the city has changed. police have been demonized, and i am afraid for the officers today. they are being watched 24 hours -- not being watch, but criticized for the good job that they do. >> emily: that was heartbreaking to watch. >> harris: reality always is when it is not what it should be. this is another self-inflicted wound that we have watched pop open and fester in a way that we

have two secure this sort doesn't spread. last summer, when we knew that the right to peacefully protest was there -- we also knew that things had broken off and turned violent in many ways. caught in between keeping the peaceful protesters safe, those who lived in the neighborhoods where the looting and rioting and the more violent things were happening, protecting those business owners and neighborhoods, right in the center of all of that were our law enforcement officers. at the same time, the vitriol, rhetoric against them was endangering their lives. here they are, the center burning around them. at the same time, they have to continue to do their jobs under pressure. now, the new pressure is to tell you to hate them. no one has ever painted a picture in this country that law enforcement is perfect. it is a microcosm of society. there will be some who they need to look out for and make things

better. as a person a black and brown heritage, of course i see our history. we have to be in this together with law enforcement. talking to those officers today, having them remind us of what they did on 9/11 and how important they continue to be in our lives, because "we are sitting out here right now. "they protect us still. when we are in that studio every day with "outnumbered" and "the falconer focus." the rhetoric has changed. they have gone from hero to villain. we are all starring in that movie with them. we have every right and tool to try to change that. it is not acceptable to talk about defund in a way that protects. it doesn't. we have to be intellectually honest about that.

having them on set today an honor. >> emily: every day. kayleigh, these guys are heroes whether or not they are running into burning buildings. my question is, are they aware that it is a vocal minority, that anti-police sentiment seems to be all around us, that the majority of americans do see them for their heroism, their hard work every day, their willingness to run towards danger rather than away. >> emily: that's why i am vocal about it and thank our officers. they know it's a small group that is being divisive condemning all law enforcement. let me say this about september 11th. that was the single deadliest day for line of duty deaths in american history. 72 officers killed, hundreds killed after because of 9/11 related illnesses. what they did that day, the hero was him at work to be acknowledged and remembered today, tomorrow, every day thereafter, i encourage everyone

to read this piece in "usa today." so good. they are former new york officers. here is the title: "we dug through the world trade center rubble looking for our brothers, that came at the center of ground zero, the eventually hollowed ground for us was dante's inferno." they did not know they had incurred wounds as they stopped piece by piece, lowering their bodies into a manhole-sized opening to rescue two of their fellow officers. that is with these officers did. they put their lives on the line, saved lives, and their hero is and should always be honored. >> when i hear this, i want to point something out. if viewers want to do something concrete, every time you see an officer, say "thank you." they are typically stoic people, but it means so much for them to

hear that. they want to know that we have their back. real quickly, there is a documentary that i helped put together, it's coming out tomorrow on hbo. it is about baseball and how september 11th struck baseball and how baseball helped america heal. it is such a vivid, emotional reminder of how much love -- we used to wear flag lapels, it all seems to be gone. it was a ton of coming together, patriotism, and respect for first responders. we should remember those emotions. they are powerful, you need them back. >> emily: i know i speak for the three of us when we still do have those feelings, absolutely. those have not waned at all for those of us here and those of us at fox news. we will continue honoring those men and women saying "thank you" every day. coming up, the students who think lessons about

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opportunity for things like islamophobia and ideas of american exceptionalism. >> a recent -- from the virginia department of education that showed a lecture, and she said when talking about 9/11, we should avoid talking about american exceptionalism. would you agree with that? >> for sure. we definitely should. we don't need more nationalism in this contribute >> we should focus on america's faults, not how amazing we are and how we are superior. >> propagating this idea that our nation is the best no matter what. i would agree that that should be avoided. >> kayleigh: wow, unbelievable. i encounter this myself in academia, placing blame. it is amazing that that -- this is where we are as a country in academia. >> ari: first and foremost, we are the best no matter what. [laughs] secondly, i think it's important in academia that when we talk about world war ii, we make sure

nobody thinks of. when we talk about pearl harbor, we should not educate people that the japanese bombed us. when it comes to september 11th, it's really important that students learn that we don't blame al qaeda or the taliban for it. "these things just happen." they are turning their back on american history, facts, and truth, in service to i don't know what ideology, other than the "blame america first" ideology, which sadly is prevalent amongst some in this country for decades. >> kayleigh: morgan, this educator saying it would be inappropriate to have students condemn the attacks on 9/11. what is an appropriate question might >> it goes to show why children need to be educated first and foremost by their parents at home. obviously, we are going to get historical education in schools, but i learned about pearl harbor and the stories of what it was like in world war ii from my

grandfather who fought there. it is important for all of us as parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles to make sure that we are teaching our children about what actually happened on that day, what happens when terrorists are able to plot these attacks. when i see the kids in that clip you just showed, kayleigh, i see a bunch of kids who have a serious lack of home training and also use the word "like" a million times. you sound dumb or when you do that. >> kayleigh: you do. harris, the educator deserves quotes around her name. instead of parents we have to say "extremists." instead of american exceptionalism "shared humanity." >> harris: and any other lane of society we would prosecute an abuser. in this lane, what are we going to do, prosecute teachers for believing what they believe? i want to do, as morgan says, better job at home as a parent

to remember there are people out there willing to lie to our children and we will have to keep it straight. public schools, our taxes pay for that, so i just go to school board meetings. y'all can do it however you want, but i think accountability is important in addition to educating your kids at home. i don't want things being bent in the classroom, not without my saying it. >> kayleigh: i work for a president who said what it was: "radical islamic terrorism." we had a leader who called out. >> emily: without accuracy, without specificity, without the full details of how gruesome and horrific 9/11 was, world war ii, concentration camps and the like, that makes history repeat itself. by glossing over, not sharing details, by looking away, that makes us immune, numb, uneducated, and that runs the risk of terror rising again. >> kayleigh: coming up, how the american flag has gone from

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>> president biden says it's not a matter of freedom or personal choice as he mandates contractors and private employees getting the vaccine. the white house is praising the taliban for acting in a "businesslike and professional manner," but is taliban 2.0 fro0 different from the group that allowed 9/11 to have a question mark the white house briefing next hour. as we mark 20 years since the 9/11 attacks, we will hear from karl rove, senator joni ernst, keith kellogg, and survivors of loved ones who will never be forgotten. i am john roberts, busy two hours ahead. join sandra smith and me at the top they were for ""america reports." >> emily: in the days and weeks following 9/11, there was national unity. the american flag reflected that feeling. we saw it in every home. today, the american flag has become and symbol of protest, and even of the world stage on the limbic. morgan, as you often talk about,

it remains a symbol of democracy on the world stage, as protests against horrific regimes, people still hold onto our flag as a symbol of freedom. >> morgan: that is right. you can look at the protests in hong kong, i ran, cuba, around the world. when oppressed people long for freedom, the symbol they hold up is the american flag. i wish that some people in our country who don't understand this could almost have a moment to go visit those people and talk to them about why they hold up the american flag. we can always make america a better place. we can always seek reforms and seek to make it a better and more just society. i don't think anyone is arguing against that. you can do it in a more respectful way. i would remind you, this administration continues, at the united nations, to spout some of the most ignorant things about the united states. that is a symbol that we are showing to the world from our elected representatives.

>> emily: when you go to a sporting event, you see our flag being used in the protest is part of the game. >> ari: exactly. it was such a joyous feeling when the united states beat the soviet union and hockey. to hear people, for the first time in my life cheer "usa." that was 1980. ever since then, sporting events, the flag, patriotism, the love of country, it feels so good, and then you see people desecrate our flag. it is a sadness. it's important to remember, most americans do love the flag, our country, but the fringe worries me, and it is growing, unfortunately. >> emily: kayleigh, last year you had an exceptional experience with the flag. >> kayleigh: it was 8:46:00 a.m., i was on air force one with president trump. the video is there. we observed a moment of silence to be on air force one, have the entire plane go silent and have

the president and first lady standing there. we got off the plane and we went to where united 93, that flight crashed. that event, it was a moment's that was humbling. one of the things president trump said that stood up to me, he talked about loyalty to our fellow citizens to read boy does that mean something this year when americans were left behind in afghanistan. he talked about pride in our flag and gratitude to our first responders. those are the values to have as an american, a president to acknowledge that, said it in that moment. it was humbling. >> emily: i still tear up at the national anthem, the flag in the wind. i tear up these soldier's cemeteries. how is it become a symbol of division? >> harris: i grew up on military bases around the world. those words of the national anthem were the first words as a little one to a song i ever learned. it became an anthem as i grew up at sporting events. i don't do it anymore because i talk too much and that ruined

your voice. [laughter] i used to think about the meaning of those words. in my family, it meant someone we loved was being honored, hopefully at home and that they had come back in a way in which they could join us, but maybe they didn't come back alive. that has always meant honor. i am sad that not of her but he feels that way, because it is a sense of pride and belonging to something amazing. i want everyone to feel that belonging. >> emily: amen. it belongs to all of us and we belong to that greater unity. we will be right back. veteran homeowners, this is the best time in history to turn your home equity into cash. because home values have climbed to all time highs. and so has your equity. turn it into cash now, while mortgage rates are near all time lows. the newday 100 va cash out loan lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value. you could take out more than $50,000.

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>> tomorrow, americans look back at 20 years since the terror attacks of 9/11 and a data change the world forever. ari, you were there. your thoughts?

>> normally i spend the day live tweeting and reenacting everything that took place so i can bring the american people and the world, i guess, inside. to see what's going on as the america was under attack. it was a difficult and emotional day. tomorrow i will be done at ground zero, actually for fox news doing some interviews. but it is a good day when we all should think of those who lost their lives on the suffering of the family 20 years later. we should be grateful to the first responders who kept us safe in the military and keep us safe today. that to me is what's september 11 will always be about. and he said the lord's prayer, psalm 23, even though i walk through the valley of death, and tomorrow i will do what i do each year. i will reach out to my family

and dallas. we lost my youngest uncle on flight 77, that went to the pentagon. i will spend a lot of my time with my sister this year, and he was always the one that would lead the prayer, into the future of where we've been and where we going. >> >> john: as a nation prepares to mark 20 years since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the united states is still struggling to deal with the aftermath. happy friday to you. and we are beginning to focus more on covid as we approach the anniversary and a data change the world forever. the administration is trying to fight the delta variant by pushing sweeping vaccines mandates that will affect tens of millions of americans. >> john: at this as many americans