surf boards? >> yes. this surf board right here was the one i was riding. it was cool. nothing happened to the board luckily. >> dana: doyle, i think you are the coolest kid in school. thanks for joining us. glad you are okay. >> john: thank goodness happened to him. >> dana: john, great to be with you today. >> john: the >> harris: we begin with this fox news alert. some people may have given up on whether we would ever get any answers on how the trump-russia investigation actually started but now an attorney with close ties to hillary clinton is in the d.c. federal court. i'm harris faulkner. you are in the falconer focus. a grand jury has indicted michael sussman accusing him of not telling the fbi he was actually working for hillary's campaign and why is that important? because he provided a tip to the

fbi claiming a possible connection between the trump organization and a russian bank who is part of what he was saying he should look at. of course, no evidence of that was ever found. fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett says all roads seem to lead back to clinton. >> it was one of the many lies that was conjured up by the dirty tricks department of the hillary clinton campaign at the helm of that of course was hillary clinton herself, sussman them defendant in this indictment and has been caught allegedly lying about his life. >> harris: lying to the fbi is a crime. griff jenkins is live in washington for us. >> yes, it is indeed and michael sussman is in the district court we just saw on that video of him walking in the mud facing one count detailed in these 27

pages, portrayed himself as a good citizen but was in reality a cybersecurity attorney working on for half of the dnc lying about what turned out to be a false connection between the trump organization and a russian based bank. the indictment also says in been pedaling to the media and said in a statement yesterday it is further alleged that the false statement misled fbi of information that might have assessed that uncovered the origins of the relevant data and analysis including the identities and motivations. they have come out swinging the saying this. the special counsel saying it's a conspiracy theory that he has yet to actually charge and

represents opposite of everything the department of justice is supposed to stand for. it meanwhile, former federal prosecutor in fox news contributor andy mccarthy says this is a significant development and sussman's case is already playing out in courts overseas. >> christopher steele is being sued for libel for things that he put in the dossier. and they testified in the british proceeding that it was sussman who gave him the information that he then pressed on the fbi. >> this after durham prosecuted last year former fbi attorney kevin kleinsmith who pleaded guilty to falsifying the document used in the pfizer war into surveilled trump campaign aid carter page. are there more indictments to come? i don't know. there is no indication that it is done on sources tell fox news that sussman who has since

resigned from his prominent law firm can't cooperate if more chips are to fall. >> harris: thank you very much. i want to bring in matt whitaker now, former acting attorney general under president trump. i mentioned it, we were all talking about it, the serious additional thoughts on that. >> you have to be truthful and if people are asked questions and obfuscate or lie to the fbi, they should be charged with crimes. >> harris: i'm glad you put it that way, but asked why would someone perhaps hide their connection to hillary clinton's campaign which failed to defeat donald trump, what could the motivation be? >> an attorney like sussman who was well respected inside the beltway, goes to the fbi, this

kind of fantastic information. one of the questions is why? a good samaritan picking as a citizen for a crime like this, that's one thing but if you are representing in trying to get fbi to open the conversations you can use that as a new story to punish the other side of a political campaign that goes to the motivation and the evidence is not going to be as credible. >> harris: lawrence jones and ric grenell on how president biden's national security advisor jake sullivan and possibly dozens of others are connected to sussman. >> he claimed it was a tip from an anonymous cybersecurity expert who had nothing to do with hillary clinton even though he worked for her, total coincidence. i guess it's also coincidence that hillary tweeted about around the same time. in jake sullivan, one of her top advisors signed off on that

tweet. >> whoever he is and whatever lie he told, we released his transcripts when i was acting director of national intelligence along with 63 other transcripts. >> i really think this is what happens in the entire time is that the hillary clinton campaign tries to create this russian collusion narrative using the dossier, this investigation and others to create a narrative that at the end of the day based on what we know now, there is nothing there. there is not a single fact that connected the trump campaign to the russian government for any collusion there between. it's really sad the fbi fell for this. they were either duped fort worth's were complicit driving a multi-year smear campaign against donald trump and people associated with him. >> harris: i want to talk about covid at the border now,

our southern border with mexico. it is putting excruciating pressure on an already dire immigration crisis in a federal judge has ruled the government can no longer turn away migrants under the title 42 public health order. the judge cited the wide availability of vaccines. this leaves the biden administration with now fewer options on the table when as many as 11,000 mostly haitian migrants are packed underneath the texas bridge. look at this. we were able to get this with drones and fox news has now learned there are another 10,000 people waiting to cross the border. that's in addition to the more than 1 million who come across already this year. republicans say the president's policies are solely to blame. let's watch. >> the biden administration has an open border policy. the truth is this year, we will have well over 2 million people coming into our country allowed

in by the president and we don't have the slightest idea of what they are. >> harris: talk to me about open border policy and how that is frustrating the situation with the pandemic because title 44 would do what in this instance? >> allows the border patrol and the federal judge in washington, d.c., decide that somehow that authority is not legal, that somehow these illegal immigrants from the poorest countries in our hemisphere should be able to get a vaccine that really takes away an important tool they are using. this is an issue that i've dealt with for many years, dealt with this attorney general and what i see is a manufactured crisis by the policy of the biden administration and it is hurting american people. these poor officers who are having to interact with people that may be covid positive and

may have other things, my heart breaks for what's going on but we are the most generous country in the world, cannot sustain 200 plus thousand people illegally crossing our border every year and waving them through hoping they will show up for an immigration. >> harris: we have been told by this administration this is not a crisis. they were hoping to put out the flames of what i would call an inferno. this is a broader issue because these people coming across for whatever reason whether they are seeking asylum trying to get infrared we have seen the drug trade, we as americans are living under a mandate with our businesses now all the way down to 100 employees, every business in america. now they are using vaccines as an incentive to let people come in. to make make sense.

>> these mandates apply to everyone except for legal border crossers and it doesn't make sense, you can to reconcile or square that circle. we are the most generous country in the world and made over 1 million people a year legal so this fact that we are just now opening the doors figuratively and literally to anyone that can get to our southern border is unsustainable and it's going to ruin our country. it's going to make people sick, going to have 100,000 people die of drug overdoses because of this illegal activity at the border. >> harris: we are already seeing it. talking to attorneys general across the nation on this program but already seeing this in drug trade causing all sorts of collateral damage with addiction and crime that piggybacks on cartels moving product. good to see you today, thanks for being in focus. facebook higher-ups ignore the

red flags on drug cartels and sex traffickers using the site. look at that. there's a little connection here. according to the latest damaging report on the social media giant, a lot going on there connecting to the drug cartel. plus this. >> you may want covid, but we don't. >> harris: she should go to the border and make sure we are safe from that then. liberal media letting loose on those who question getting vaccinated, whether this crosses the line and further divides all of us as americans. fox news contributor joe concha is an focus next. my psoriatic arthritis pain? i had enough! it's not getting in my way. joint pain, swelling, tenderness... much better.

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>> harris: again bad news for facebook and this time from "the wall street journal" was using facebook and instagram to recruit, train, and pay hit men but did nothing about it. and if that's not bad enough, employees also raised alarms about human traffickers in the middle east using the site to lure women into abusive employment situations they also flagged armed groups in ethiopia. reportedly removed some of those pages but dozens of other pages remain active, remain current. earlier this week, the journal reported facebook shields a secret elite of politicians and celebrities from content rules which later apply to the rest of us. the journals james freeman with more on this.

>> you think about facebook minimizing taxes to the hunter biden laptop story during the election and here we have internal memos, communications, people warning about the most horrible criminal activity posted on facebook and the company doesn't think too much about it. i don't know how you can look at the situation and say they are making a good-faith effort. >> harris: joe concha, fox news contributor and media and politics columnist for the hill. let's get to the crux of this. they are social media giants, media is all part of this. your thoughts. >> "the wall street journal" exceptional reporting this week because it's not based on hearsay or unnamed sources but actual internal documents. how facebook can knowingly turn a blind eye to mexican drug cartels using a platform to recruit and train and pay hit men will recruit women into abusive employment situations is

as shocking as it is nauseating and whoever ignored this and facebook should be fired. "activists have complained for years that facebook does too little to protect overseas users from trouble and knows occurs on its platform. not next month, next week to answer for this because he should explain how he is allowing drug cartels while betting the 45th president of the company deems a bigger threat than the afferent mention just incredible. >> harris: the reason i leaned on that word media's because this is about trust. where you look at where many people get their news information, they at least look at their phones upwards of 250 times a day, probably a lot more than that for many people so it comes down to what did they have the time to take in which is our job to kind of attack some of that and say here are the facts. it's hard to attack at a facebook won't help by at least pushing back on the people who

make their living killing others. >> that's exactly right and found 86% of americans get their news online many of which get it from social media stories that fred and cher are places like facebook and twitter and this is why this the same day last year. her hire some people overseas and here in the states to serve as watchdogs and make sure these sorts of things don't happen but inside, counting their money at this point and not using resources and money where it should be because as you said, this is life and death kind of stuff here. >> harris: absolutely. like you just said, critics are shredding the head of facebook own instagram for his company after they reported that he buried his own study of instagram's devastating impact on teenage girls mental health so you have what's going on on

facebook and then also on instagram and it's a hot dangerous mess there too. facing a torrent of backlash after a podcast interview where he responded to the bombshell report with these remarks. >> i think that anything that is going to be used at scale is going to have positive and negative outcomes. we understand that, we know more people die than what other words but they create way more value in the world and they destroyed in social media similar. >> harris: one critic tweeted this, isn't doing facebook any favors. another said facebook and instagram as a car with seat belts and bad breaks. >> the argument is that cars don't make the full amount particularly young women and girls depressed and suicidal. cars don't do that. you may die in a car crash and

get run over but that's the price that you pay in these situations. this reminds me of the '90s, the heads of seven tobacco companies said open up their hands and said that cigarette smoking is not addictive and you see with these social media platforms and i see it with my kids, six and seven years old but to give them an ipad which was supposed to be for educational purposes only try to take it away when they're watching something they shouldn't and they become like the kid from the exorcist. you see the addiction there in real time and i would just think that in this case, instagram and facebook should be looking at this in terms of the effects of girls health. let me read you a stat, "among teens who reported suicidal thoughts, 6% of american users traced a desire to kill themselves to instagram. when we need to look into that a little more. >> harris: power and money.

liberal media appearing to take sides in the debate over whether or not to get vaccinated so they are jumping in. from calling the g.o.p. a covid loving colt to openly shaming those who refuse to get the shot. >> a message to republicans, we get it, covid is precious and your love it, you love it you want to spread in schools, office, and the walmart, that great spongy fall with the red spikes, you want it pumping through your veins. >> the people who are not getting vaccines, who are believing the lies on the internet instead of science, it's time to start shaming them or leave them behind. because they are keeping the majority of americans behind. >> harris: she compared covid for republicans to precious and "lord of the rings." what is going on?

>> joy reid should not in any capacity have anything resembling a national platform. she shouldn't even be on community access television. >> harris: why is this problematic? >> because she is saying things that are profoundly untrue, reckless, only seeking to divide when i get that opinion people have their opinions but we are getting into alex jones territory and how they continue to employ this person's journalistic malfeasance. this is the same person last year on multiple occasions who said that she didn't trust the vaccine. you played it, of course you have. you focus on things. but you look at the stats and only 43% of african-americans are vaccinated at this point. compare that to the asian community with nearly 70% or more than 50% and joy reid with that national platform helped push vaccine hesitancy so don't sit here now and make it a completely opposite argument when we could play back the tape in these situations but nbc

won't do anything, they will continue to employ her in prime time. she's something like 26th overall in terms of her rankings so not a lot of people watching but at the same time, there she is going viral for all the wrong reasons and it's everything wrong with this business. >> harris: i don't want to harp on this too much because i understand that people come to their decisions about to be vaccinated or not to be vaccinated from their own lane but there are a tremendous amount of people of color who have decided that they don't trust the government and as she sits there and points a finger at the g.o.p. for holding -- hugging something as precious as gold and a stone in a creepy movie that wasn't true that had great acting. she's also doing damage to a community that really needs to be spoken to right now that has food and pharmacy deserts, a lot of reasons why they don't have doctors in their lives, why not use her platform for that? i don't want to make it all about joy reid but i had to get

it in there, huge hypocrisy where she sits as a black woman did not at least address that. when it comes to the vaccine, our own peter doocy pressed white house press secretary jen psaki. watch. >> it's a requirement for people in a business with more than 100 people but not a requirement. why? >> that's correct. >> harris: your take. >> my take is they read is in broad daylight, it's okay for migrants that are tested positive for covid to be siphoned in the communities throughout the nation but for businesses that have more than 100 employees, you must vaccinate your employees. i am vaccinated but i don't sit here under any illusion that since i say i'm vaccinated, you say you should get it, very personal decision and that's where we are on the white house again mixed messaging, reckless messaging when it comes to covid. >> harris: i would think they'd want to tell people to

get the information from somebody you trust who doesn't stand behind the lectern, make it as one-on-one as possible. i'm vaccinated, you and i have talked about that. thank you, joe concha. nancy pelosi may be traveling in europe, but that's not stopping her from going after republicans. what she said and whether she is right to be saying it while she is overseas. and the godmother of missing gabby petito as the families frustration grows over her boyfriend now refusing still to break his silence. where is gabby? >> makes no sense to anyone of us why he won't come out and speak. you have information, you are still hiding behind this, we don't understand why.

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boyfriend are refusing to help with the investigation. police in florida where he lives says he is now a person of interest in the case. her family's lawyers made a public glee to laundrie's attorney imploring him to cooperate and protesters some arriving in the golf carts been gathering outside his home in north port, florida, chanting where is gabby? jonathan serrie for the very latest for us now. >> pressure has certainly been mounting on laundrie to break his silence on the disappearance of his fiancee gabby petito. police say brian returned alone to his parents home on septembee and gabby had used it to her national parks out west. neither he nor his parents are speaking on advice of their attorney but brian's sister spoke briefly with "abc news," take a listen. >> me and my family wanted gabby to be found safe. she is like a sister and my

children love her and i want her to come home safe and sound. >> abby last spoke with her mother by phone but the family is skeptical of an august 30s text from gabby's phone suggesting she had traveled on to california to visit yosemite national park. >> we know that she didn't send it because he was home september went to yosemite. they never had plans to go to yosemite so it was obvious. >> during a stop in moab, utah, got into a heated argument that prompted a witness to call 911. six days later, found the bodies of a newlywed couple who had been shot near a campsite just outside of town. the grant county sheriff's office says it is in contact with florida authorities and "we are actively looking into any connection between the gabby petito missing person case on the double homicide that

occurred in greene county." other than proximity, there was no immediate evidence to link the cases but this early in the investigation, authorities say they can roll nothing out. >> harris: think you for some new information and all of that, want to bring in gabby petito's godmother and thank you so very much for being with us, i wish it were for any other reason at this point but i do want to get your take on things. when was the last time that you saw gabby and brian together? >> they visited me in charleston, south carolina, in the beginning of june. i want to say it was the third or the sixth, so that's the last time i saw them physically together. besides giving a face time here and texting there and they visited me quite often in charleston and it close to

florida and would do these hikes in the appalachian trail so they would stop and see me so i hung out with them quite often. >> harris: so you know them well, you know how they are together and that specifically where i want to go with you today because the world is waiting as gabby's dad has said for brian laundry to say something. what did you observe about this couple, how were they together? >> what i observed was they were both really motivated to do this trip, both really invested in it, they were excited, they saved up their money, really good about saving. i had never had any feeling that this would have been a trip that they should not go on. >> harris: where they can love? >> i would say so. i never saw -- you never know someone's relationship behind-the-scenes, but from what i saw, they had a great relationship and that's the weird thing. that's the mystery.

that's another reason it's very infuriating that brian is not talking. >> harris: and you've seen him talk to you has not described him as someone who is an introvert. so what is the dynamic that you know of between these two families? they seem to be pretty heavily involved in their grown children's lives and they are all astounded so they say in on this network, we talked to many family members, the godmother of gabby right now for people just tuning in, what is the dynamic between the petito family and a laundrie family that laundrie is an even helping. >> the petito family, i don't know if joe or tara -- i don't know if they talked to the laundries that much. i do know that the laundries used to live on long island where gabby and brian met more

than a high school kind of timeline before moving to florida. i never had any communication with the parents whatsoever. nicole and jim schmidt, gabby's parents, mom and stepfather did have communication but it wasn't any sort of closeness that you would describe as being -- they didn't talk often is kind of what i'm saying. >> harris: so with brian and last question for you because the world remains to see where gabby is, what is something you would say to him right now? you know he is lawyered up. >> you're the only one who can tell us where to start looking so as of right now, it's not that you're not even helping anymore, it is now hindering this investigation. now you are using up resources

in people's time and beyond days that you could have talked and you are still choosing to keep silent which is reprehensible and then you release these statements that look like it was taken out of a gumball machine and just put out there and how can we be the most vague and offensive as possible, printed and put it out there. you need to just give us are we looking in the correct spot because there's a lot of space in between here and we can't just keep doing that and it's really torture. >> harris: you're reaching out to him that someone who used to visit often with gabby, thank you for doing that. godmother of gabby, god bless you and the family as you search for answers and for gabby.

we do have some breaking news and updates. i had on the acting attorney general matthew whitaker at the start of the program talking about this case because it has not gone away, the grand jury that has been convened in the john durham trial trying to figure out how did the trump russia investigation start. this man was indicted, sussman just now pleading not guilty to one count of making false statements to a federal agent. he is in federal court today and a judge released him on his own reconnaissance under certain conditions, sussman could face five years in prison if convicted. he lied to the fbi. he tipped the fbi off to what he thought was a possible connection to the trump organization and a russian bank and remember, they are trying to figure out at the time and we still don't know how the investigation started, was there a connection between then to candidate donald trump and president donald trump organization in russia.

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closely at this point with critical race theory, crime and vaccine mandates all prominent issues. you tell us a lot about last year's midterm election. they are neck and neck in the polling and a long debate last night. i has more from washington and by the way, a new member of our fox family. tickets to virginia. >> early voting opened up today so there's nothing like a last-minute joust put some pep and a voters step. political newbie had some words last night, the debate was their first official exchange and last before polls opened up early. >> user trump want to be. >> he wants to be the abortion governor and i want to be the jobs governor.

>> it is gauging the voter sentiment on hot button issues ahead of the midterm. both are fans but split on the president's mandate. >> i don't believe president biden has the authority to dictate to everyone that we have to take the vaccine. >> he is not requiring vaccinations. that is the difference between the two of us. >> served as virginia's governor from 2014 to 18 and both called each other's views on abortion extreme. >> women ought to make a decision about their own reproductive rights and i will support those. >> that i am pro-life. i believe in exceptions and when the life of the mother is in jeopardy but the texas bill also is unworkable and confusing. >> called himself the jobs candidate and disagreed on critical race theory, policing, and ways to kick-start the

economy. was repeatedly criticized for earning the endorsement of former president trump. >> harris: thank you very much. we will watch it and bring you back. minnesota supreme court is ruling that minneapolis can move forward with a vote on whether to abolish its entire police department. that reverses a lower court ruling that would have killed that measure. the vote going forward despite minneapolis seeing a 13% spike in murders just this year alone print the power panel now, fox news contributor richard fowler. great to see you today, your topline thoughts? >> i really believe after seeing congresswoman omar support this ballot initiative that we are a country being governed by idiots whether they be in congress or in local government, many folks have now thought this idea by abolishing the police department in such a place where they are

actually needed police is a good idea to encourage that among the citizenry is insane, just look at the numbers. 88% increase in unsolved cases and 2016 and 2017 and moving beyond that, there's been more homicides in that city than there has ever been in this previous years from a 6-year-olds are getting shot. so what benefit would it be to put a bunch of peace officers on the street when there is legitimate crime going on in the city that needs police help or rather the city should be reformed and police should be held accountable and that's what needs to happen, not eradicating the police force. >> harris: lets go directly to richard. >> i do think this light will likely fail and i think with the people of minneapolis want is just like many other cities as they want the police to be accountable and transparent in what i ask where is instead of the police being run by the

mayor of the city council, maybe it's time to restructure how police department's are managed, something like how the school is managed like a school board where people have the ability to vote for and elect officials that manage the police department instead of allowing it to be tied down by the mayor's politics or city councils politics, have people who go to work every day and just manager police department and hold them accountable to the voters of that city. when macro quickly, what is your thought about that and then we will move on. >> in terms of having it managed, the mayor usually is the one who calls the shots when it comes to police department's across the country and that should be the case, but that may or may needs to make the hard decisions because accountability is absolutely a necessity in the city. we know what happened last year and across the country due to the actions of at police department. >> harris: i am always confused and interested and curious when you get too many people at the table, doesn't

slow down what they really are put on duty to do and if we have to dissect every piece by committee, i don't know if that is helpful but taking all decisions and choices here because getting rid of police is not going to work for anybody. conservative organizations defending education has published this photo of a poster at a los angeles high school that reads f the police and says quote-unquote "policing is an antiblack settler institution that originated in patrols in the primary mandate is to protect property and militarily enforce white supremacist capitalism. the los angeles unified school district said any displays objectively political or otherwise run afoul of our policies of inclusion in a respectful treatment of others will be taken down and will be handled administratively. nonetheless, not every

subjective police can be accommodated in a district as large and diverse as l.a. unified, what is going on here? >> this is terrible. the idea that they are saying this is a bad idea. they should be taught the history of policing in this country but to have a sign like that in your school is disruptive to the learning process and the language obviously is terrible. >> harris: i don't think i will see a lot of disagreement here but what do you do about it? certainly has the nation's attention as its union does whatever the heck it wants. >> i honestly can say i completely and totally agree with richard's assessment on this, it is disruptive, doesn't unite us and doesn't solve the issue that i had accountability, so that's why it needs to be conversations on police reform we have to come together and get something done. >> harris: it's amazing that a school in los angeles, someone there thought this was a good

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