>> brian: get his podcast, walk him on stage, always good to see a buried >> good to see you, double thumbs up! >> brian: thank for watching prime time, i remain brian kilmeade throw out the show. tomorrow be sure to catch fox and friends, our guest, douglas murray, dakota meyer and don't miss the radio show, ben sasse is one of my guests and now it's time for tucker. i will pause for two seconds, and then him. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." if you tuned in to see the hearing in the senate armed services' committee today, and if you didn't, he missed out, but if he did, you may have been a little surprised to see mark milley sitting there. you remember millie. he's the fleshy hood eyed man, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. he is also a national disgrace, is a living insult to the military overseas.

that's not an insult, it's objectively true. i get yet somehow despite the overwhelming evidence that mark milley is dishonest, incompetent, partisan, dishonorable, mark milley still has a highly prominent job, that's the amazing thing. and not only is mark milley still employed at the very highest level, he is still lying and doing so with his characteristic relish and enthusiasm. today, for example, with an entirely straight face, mark milley delivered an impassioned lecture about the importance of civilian control of the military. "this country doesn't want generals figuring out what orders we are going to accept or do or not, that's not our job." oh, really? is that so, mark milley? isn't this the same mark milley who once illegally seized personal control of our country's nuclear arsenal? and then when that wasn't sufficient, promised to tip off the governor of china about future military operations and did all of this who didn't like

his boss who unlike him was, yes, civilian elected by voters. that's the very same mark milley, the one lecturing about the military. it was all pretty amusing in a dark way, but he did make you wonder, what is this about? why is mark milley saying something so obviously preposterous? expect to be helping him in some way. when did need it was helping him. what you watch in the senate hearing today was pure blame shifting. joe biden's foreign policy is a legitimate disaster, nobody disputes that, but mark milley wants you to know that none of it is his fault. secretary of defense wants you to know that too. so does the head of central command, general mckenzie. all three of them want to make it crystal clear that the scenery dull maxing out on the white house did this, it's his fault, not theirs. it was joe biden, they told us today, who forced american troops to leave afghanistan before we evacuated all american citizens. and because the pentagon reflexively in every case follows every order up to the

letter from the sitting president, they had no choice but to obey these crazy decisions. watch them explain. >> general milley, it's your testimony that you recommended 2500 troops approximately stay in afghanistan? >> yes, my assessment was back in the fall of apostolate 20 and remained consistently throughout that we should keep a steady -- could bounce up to 3500, maybe something like that. >> general mckenzie, do you share that assessment? >> senator, i do share that assessment. >> president biden last month in an interview with george tough annapolis said no military leader advised him to leave a small troop presence in afghanistan. did these officer and general miller's recommendation get to the president personally? >> their input was received by the president and considered by the president for sure. in terms of what they specifically recommended, senator, as they just said, they are not going to provide what

they recommended in the conference. >> tucker: you following this? wheels officially coming off but what sleaze balls these guys are. we told joe biden to keep 2500 troops in the country, we demanded it. on the other hand, because we are bound by the ancient and sacred rules of confidentiality, we can't really tell you what we told the president because that would be wrong. [cackles] these people so thoroughly deserve each other. it is wonderful to see them rent one another out, which is exactly what they proceeded to do for the entirety of today's hearing. watch general mckenzie explained that despite the fact that he personally oversaw the disaster in afghanistan, actually he had nothing to do with it, it was all demented grandpa pulling the strings from the white house. >> i won't share my personal recognition to the president but i will give you my honest opinion, and my honest opinion and view shaped my recommendation. i recommended that we maintain 2,500 troops in afghanistan, and

i also recommended earlier in the fall of 2020 that we maintain 4,500 at that time. those are my personal views. i also have a view that the withdrawal of those forces would lead inevitably to the collapse of the afghan military forces and eventually the afghan government. >> tucker: what a dirt ball that guy is emma did you hear that? i can't share a condition, but here was my recommendation. [cackles] take those metals off you don't deserve them. until today, many of them have been undermining biden indirectly. far be it for us to defend joe biden, who deserves no defense but it is a defense of the american system, which works well when civilians control the military. up until today, they have been leaking biden's phone calls for exam will, the president of afghanistan, that's illegal, but they did it anyway. they've been giving nasty background quotes to the stenographers and nbc news. today was different, today's

performance took place in public. it was on the record and it was under oath, and in that performance, they directly contradicted the commander in chief. as a reminder, here's what joe biden was saying just a few weeks ago on abc. your top military advisors warned against, they wanted you to keep about 2500 troops. >> president biden: no they didn't, it was split. that wasn't true. >> they didn't tell you they wanted troops to stay? >> president biden: no, not in terms of whether we were going to get out in a time frame all troops. they didn't argue against that. >> so no one told -- or military advisors did not tell you know, we should keep 2500 troops, it's been a stable situation for the last several years, we can do that, we can continue to do that? >> president biden: no, no one said that to me that i can recall. >> tucker: oh, it's not a defense of any of them, they are all so awful and undeserving of leading this great country. they should not be in charge of this country. it's too good a country for people like this.

so you already have the generals claiming they told biden the afghan withdrawal would be a total disaster. biden, just in the tape he saw said they did not tell him that. the question is was langford someone is lying, joe biden doesn't always line, he doesn't remember anything, he doesn't know what he had for lunch. here's what we know for sure and this is the point of today's hearing end of the point that matters going forward. no one in the pentagon's leadership will ever be held accountable for this, the latest in a very long string of colossal scrubs that have dramatically reduced american power and prestige around the world, and gotten a ton of people killed. no one. this is unbelievable. let's say you worked in a nuclear power plant and wendy had too many beers on your lunch break and he fell asleep in the reactor melted down and thousands died, and then you got a massive raise. that's pretty much what's happening here. the house of representatives just passed $776 billion defense budget. how big is that? well, it's fully $24 billion more than even the white house

requested. none of us, congress just threw in a little extra for a job well done, a bonus for the generals who left $80 billion worth of american military equipment for the taliban to use. good work, guys! so it's official now. no one will ever be punished for any of it. not for abandoning the air base, that was idiotic, everyone knew it, ever they did it anyway. not for leaving american citizens behind as they fled, not for leaving our troops exposed to the attack that killed 13 young american serviceman, not for the drone strike that glow of children, the one they lied about for weeks. the people who did these things are in great shape tonight. they will retire exactly when they feel like retirement, at which point they will get full benefits and jobs at lockheed. that's how our system no works. it's very, very frustrating. not because recrimination is good, but because in order to function, a system to be accountable. and as of tonight, there's only one man in the entire u.s. government who is being punished

for the failure, the catastrophic failure in afghanistan, just one man. he is the lieutenant colonel in united states marine corps. he's an honorable and honest man. he is also blameless. he had no role in any of these decisions. what was his crime? 's crime was criticizing those decisions. in august he posted this video on the internet. >> if a battalion commander has the simplest complaint, boom, fire, we have a secretary of defense that testified to congress in may that the afghan national security force could withstand the taliban advance. we have chairman enjoyed cheats who come out as a member that was both to advise the military policy, we have a marine combatant commander, all of these people are supposed to advise and i'm not saying we got to be in afghanistan forever, but i am saying did any of you throw your rank on the table and say hey, it's a bad idea to evacuate bagram airfield, the strategic airbase, before we

evacuate everyone? >> tucker: that's an honorable in use on the screen. that's a man who's in it for the right reasons, he cares about the country and wants to defend it. there's a man who believed in his superiors, who is not cynical, who is genuinely confused by his superiors' unwillingness to admit their own error. his confusion comes from decency. and all most immediately his superiors reacted to that video. they didn't apologize for the disaster, didn't explain why they did with the dead, they punished him. they relieved him of his command and they told him to shut up and stop talking. but he didn't stop talking. here's how he responded. >> to recap my position in the fall out of afghanistan, i demanded account ability for my senior leaders at i say again that i understood that i might lose my retirement and my family stability. as it has played out, i have in fact lost all three of those things. what i do it again? i don't know.

my name is lieutenant colonel stuart scheller and i was the only officer in the entire american coalition fired in the debacle of the afghan follow. i acknowledge that i should have been fired. however, the hypocrisy of the general officers who are not being held to the same standard is a microcosm for the entire problem that is going to bring down the great institutions of this republic that we love. >> tucker: that's the man you want serving in your officer corps in a serious country, a person who takes his job seriously, is patriotic, who is honest, who demands account ability. and before you say it's the military, they don't have freedom of speech, you're not allowed to give a political statement, two points, one, that was not up politically explicit statement. endless number of openly partisan statements of the leaders of the pentagon. mark milley was openly thrilled by the election of joe biden. was he punished for that?

no, he was elevated in congress again just rewarded him in the entire leadership of the u.s. military with 24 extra billion dollars. but stuart scheller for telling the truth? well, here's what happened to him. military brass forest him to undergo a psychological evaluation because only a crazy person would ask for accountability after the disaster in afghanistan. and then when he wouldn't admit he was crazy, they threw him in prison, in jail, where he sits tonight. his father just released this statement explain his son is now behind bars with violent criminals. how long is he there? he's there indefinitely. this is happening to might or might tonight america. "all our son did was ask the question that everyone was asking themselves that they were too scared to speak out loud, it was asking for account ability. i think even asked for a apology that we made mistakes but they couldn't do that, which was mind-blowing, they had a gag order on him and ask him to speak. he did speak and they incarcerated him very they don't know what to do with them."

one of the worst stories of our time, and there are a lot of bad stories right now. tony is one of the lawyers representing stuart scheller and he joins us tonight. thanks so much for defending this man and for coming on the show tonight. so have we misstated anything? is he in jail right now? >> he is sitting in jail right now with no formal charges against him. supposedly there is supposed to be a hearing on thursday, but he doesn't even know what he's charged with. and you know, of course he still remains under this illegal gag order. >> tucker: so this story broke i think last night. in that time, how many members of congress have reached out to you to say we will no longer approve a single promotion in the u.s. military until this prisoner is freed? a lot? >> none. none. if i will tell you what's more infuriating is that today we had testimony in the senate where they tried to make the case that

the withdrawal was an operational success. it's not a success of course for the 13 families who lost loved ones, and when somebody tried to speak out and say look, we could have done a lot better, we owed these marines and sailors and army personnel better than that, they not only told him to shut up and when he didn't shut up, they put him in jail. >> tucker: he's a married man with children? >> he's a married man, yes, with children. and i would say his spirits are high. the support -- not of course congressional support, but the support that we have received, that he has received, that his family has received, as been overwhelming. people see this for what it is, they see this the top brass trying to shirk responsibility and what summary and command speaks up, they are silenced and we can do better than that. this is a man who is a 17 year marine, a marine officer, an infantry officer just like i was, a guy who is conscience

required him to speak out and the american military, specifically the united states marine corps, the entity is that love so much, has put him in jail for that, and people are just coming together all over the united states, the pipe hitter organization -- foundation has already raised $200,000 for his defense. this is wrong and will not stand. >> tucker: you think of all those murmurs of congress who served six months and the jagged course somewhere and brag about military service and how they are for the troops, and here extra $24 billion, saying not one word about this honorable man who is the best of america rotting in jail with criminals tonight for telling the truth. it's beyond believable. and i appreciate your defense of him and i hope you will come back. >> will do. >> tucker: thank you. dan holloway is a veteran of the united states army, he joins us tonight with reaction. thanks so much for coming on. if any miscarriage of justice,

injustice, atrocity, can crystallize at the moment we are living in, it's this i think. >> yeah, it absolutely is. he asked for accountability and what he got in return for his years of service and loyalty was persecution, it's insane and speaking of insanity, as you said, they sent him to mental health to get checked out because you have to be crazy not to agree with the administration, right? and that's the message being sent to america. if and only are we right, the government right in the administration right, not only are you wrong, but you're not entitled to accountability, you can't think for yourself, and if you try for either one of those things, we are going to throw you in jail, that's the message being sent right now, it's incredible. >> tucker: i mean, things have changed so fast and so radically but if you told me two years ago there would be people sitting in jail for trespassing at a political rally or for releasing you to video in which he asks his superiors to own up to their failure, they would literally be jail, i would say this is america, we don't do -- jailing people, what? no. here is a nobody seems to think

it's weird. >> yeah, it is very bizarre. i think the real question is how we have gotten here, how we have gone from eisenhower to milley in america. think about this, this whole mandate nonsense makes no sense. we know it's not really based in science also you have to wonder what the purpose is, who benefits from this? the last few years the left is continually chipped away at all of the institutions that protect america, the military, the police, masculinity itself and you have to wonder where they are going with all of this. they are using the division the created to basically gerrymander the ranks of these institutions, the pentagon, and the police services and things like that. and it's a calculated move, in my opinion. you tell me, tucker, why would a political party want to gain control over the institutions that protect our country, right? >> tucker: very suspicious. and their gerrymandering the ranks of the armed institutions in our society, and that's a really smart and correct way to

put it i think that i appreciate that, i'm going to steal a going forward. thank you. >> it's all yours. thanks a lot. >> tucker: so the bike demonstration is forcing millions of americans to take a vaccine they don't want. this show has just learned from a source inside the biden administration about what's in store for people who don't obey this unconstitutional order. we will tell you next. ♪ ♪

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religious accommodation. the government will decide how much you believe in god and whether your belief is valid or not. if employees don't get an exemption and refused to take the shot, they will be fired. demonstration believes it could start dismissal for seedings in mid-december. that means by christmas, tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of federal workers may be unemployed. the administration is also forcing the majority of the private sector, workers from -- who do not work for joe biden to get vaccinated. how can this be legal? very few are asking that question. one who is, she's a litigation counsel, and she is fighting back against vaccine mandates at universities. she joined us now. thank you, i appreciate your coming on. are that we -- i don't think share the same politics and probably take a little great for doing this shows that makes me extra grateful that you're willing to do this. tell us what your cases against vaccine bandits at university. >> thank you so much for having

me. >> tucker: of course. >> i'm currently bringing a case against michigan state university on behalf of an employee, who has natural immunity to covid-19, she recovered from covid last year. we are arguing that for that reason the government has no compelling interest forcing her to get the vaccine and violating her rights to bodily autonomy and to decline medical treatment. it's also important to note that michigan state university is a public university, so these arguments couldn't necessarily be used in the private context, certainly not one private employers are acting independently of the government. >> tucker: see her answer suggests that -- there are huge principles, important principles at stake here. tell us with those principles are that you are defending with this do you think. >> they are both legal principles that the constitution recognizes, the right to decline medical treatment. the right to not have things put in your body that you don't want. there's a substantial body of case law developed after the jacobson case that i'm sure a lot of people have heard about used to justify vaccine mandates

and that is really not applicable to the present situation and certainly not when people have natural immunity. if there has been a huge corruption of science that's been going on throughout the country with this. we know that natural immunity exists, we know that it's robust and the denial of it in these institutions policies on the government's policies are in a bookable to me and unforgivable. if >> tucker: i agree with that completely. people feel so desperate and alone. at this point, if you haven't gotten a vaccine, which is free and readily available, there's a reason for it, you've thought this through and decide not to come you thought that was right. people are being forced to, some are being forced to get fake vaccine cards, which is understandable, they are trapped. what to they do, what is their recourse if you are a person like that facing firemen with no unappointed benefits because you won't take this shot? what do you do? >> most of them seem to email us. [laughs] i have thousands of emails in my inbox from desperate people who don't want to get the vaccine and you hit on something really perfect there, which is that most people have thought this

through. they know what's best for themselves and their health. joe biden and rochelle walensky and anthony fauci, they don't know what's best for people and their own health. i spoke to woman in new york today who has natural immunity, she recovered from covid in july and she got a different vaccine the day before she was supposed to get the covid vaccine and she had a very bad reaction to it, she actually lost use of her arm for a number of weeks, and so she was really scared, she didn't show up to the appointment to get her covid shot and she's rightly scared and she doesn't want to get the covid vaccine, and she has natural immunity but because of new york's vaccine passport program she can go to restaurant, bars, she can go to work meetings and it's really ruining her life. so what we are looking here is the government interfering in what should be personal health decisions that people make with their doctor. >> tucker: i don't want to blow up your inbox even more, but [indiscernible] and this is a civil right worth defending, we are grateful that you are in

forex claim that to us, thank you. >> thank you so much, people should feel free to reach out to us. >> tucker: good, i hope you can help. thank you. so revolver news, first reported on the fbi's involvement with a deep involvement in the events of january 6th. if they were attacked for reporting that. we were attacked too. it turns out it was true. of now there's proof. that's straight ahead. go to tuckercarlson.com during a break if want, get a book. we will be right back. ♪ ♪

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sounds like the kind of thing maybe you'd come up with in college if you were super high and the next morning realized that's stupid, but they didn't realize it was stupid and some of the biggest cities in the country actually did it. so what happened next? you don't hear a lot of talk about that, just kind of moved onto the next enthusiasm. we are keeping track. according to a new report from the fbi, murders in this country increased 30% in a single year. that's a lot of dead people, it's the largest single year increase in murders since the fbi started tracking that stat 50 years ago, more than 50 years ago, in the '60s. that must be the guns, right? those assault weapons, those weapons of war that joe biden is so upset about. it was the guns that did it, right? no. fbi data showed that more people were "punched or kicked" to death then were killed by rifles last year nationally. knives killed three times as many americans as rifles. so it wasn't the weapons. the problem was the police.

there weren't any, and those that remained were not allowed to enforce the law. meanwhile, the das, the prosecutors, many foam were elected with george soros, who controls our democracy somehow, stopped prosecuting crimes. meanwhile, the fbi waste it's time for kidnapping plots organized by other fbi agents. the bureau has gotten dysfunctional, even its name statistics the partner test. the free beacons joe simons noted a lot of irregularities in those statistics. for example, gordon to the fbi, white people are the second-highest perpetrator of antiwhite hate crimes in this country. is that possible? we have no idea. no one is reading this stuff except us. based on this report, it's pretty obvious we need an fbi that are bigger things to worry about that a conservative political rallies. this country has gotten dangerous and a functioning

law-enforcement agency might it be a good thing to have right about now. well, speaking of the fbi, "the new york times" has just published a report indicating what we said months ago. fbi operatives were deeply involved in the events of january 6th. the white super mrs. cumin on insurrection, remember? citing confidential records, the newspaper reported that quote, the rest record suggest the federal on freshman had far greater visibility into the assault on the capital even as it was taking place than was previously known." the people -- the so-called broad boys, america's greatest threat, at the capitol complex. so we called this, and we called it because revolver dot news originally broke it. he broke the story, he joins us now. thanks so much for coming on. so before we get to the question of why "the new york times" is

finally verifying what you reported months ago, and i think they denounced you as a conspiracy theorist for doing so, tell us what you think since you have credibility on this, with the scope of the federal involvement in january 6th was. >> it's a very good question and the extent is far more than the feds and the media were willing to admit. "the new york times" piece that you mentioned acknowledges two informants and look, "the new york times" is not out to do us any favors or to do you any favors, but if "the new york times" is covering this, it's because the situation is far worse and there will be many more informants coming to light in the near future. i think it's very important to point out that this poses a pretty severe strategic dilemma for the feds and their apparatchiks in the regime media because you'll recall that

senator klobuchar, when she posed the question about informants to fbi director ray, she did him the courtesy of assuming that there was no visibility into the protest because they had no informants. you see, if they had informants, that would have meant they were informed as to what would transpire, and then the question is why didn't you do anything to stop it. now that we know that they have informants, the question represents itself, why didn't they do anything to stop it? and i think this explains an interesting amount of mixed messaging we are seeing recently from the regime media coverage of this. you'll see that basically the feds are using their sources in the media to present this new narrative that, you know what, actually there wasn't for planning, actually it wasn't this conspiracy in advance, it was more of a spontaneous outburst. the reason you're seeing this transition in the narrative is that if there was no for

planning on the part of the so-called insurrectionist, that means there could have been no foreknowledge on the part of the feds, and they are absolved from suspicion as to why, if they knew about it, they didn't do anything to stop it. but the real beauty part about this is that even as this narrative shift protects the downside for the feds from that type of exposure, it completely blows up another foundational pillar of the official narrative, which is that it was a conspiracy, which it was this plea printed -- preplanned attack set up in advance and that's why it's like 9/11. it's the basis of the prosecution of all of the militia groups essentially associated and furthermore it's the basis of the entire 1/6 commission so they are really stuck in a bind. either the fbi has to address new questions of why if they had a bunch of informants and they were presumably informed they didn't stop it, or why this will narrative that they've been

telling us about a conspiracy that was preplanned that serves as the basis of multiple high-level prosecutions and the commission itself, why that was false. it's either one or the other. >> tucker: that's right and either way they are lying and the effect is to strip law-abiding patriotic americans of their civil liberties, and that is happening. and i appreciate your coming on. got the story right months before anybody else. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: so we showed you that tape of that racist lunatic screaming at people were sitting in a building being the wrong color, but she's not alone, she is a symptom of much larger problems. one group is finding all of this insanity, the race baiting on college campuses, j.d. vance joins us to explain what he will do about it if elected to the united states senate. next. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: on monday, we showed you footage of this hate filled whack job at arizona state university attacked the students were sitting in the wrong place because they have the wrong skin

color. >> what did i do wrong? >> you are offensive. police lives matter? >> we are just trying to do school. >> this is our space. >> this is the violence that asu does and this is the type of people that they protect. this white man thinks he can take up our space and this is why we need a multicultural space, because they think they can get away with this [bleep]. everything a part of the campus centers who at this is the only space that you are not centered and you are still trying to center yourself. you can choose to be a cop, you can choose to kill people with a badge and you are protecting that [bleep], which means that you're a racist. >> tucker: that's not even english, that is some sort of weird sub dialect of academic leftism. a sub stacked called -- an economist called chris bernet identified the lunatic in that clip. she's not just an average student, she is a ford

foundation fellow and a phd student called sarah. the ford foundation spends billions funding people like this, making them into radicals and placing them in psychologist. just posted dozens of internal documents from the foundation and show that foundation, which is supposedly nonpartisan, it is a nonprofit, exempt from taxes, is focused instead on pure partisanship, indoctrinating students with left-wing political propaganda and sending them forth to wreck the country, which as if seen from that video, they are. it's a huge problem, a big problem that nobody is talking about. j.d. vance is talk about it, we are happy to have them join us. thanks so much for coming on. the ford foundation is one of many conditions that enjoy nonprofit status, i would say and get to completely change the country nondemocratically using their tax exemption. how is this going on? >> well, the basic way this works is that the ford

foundation, the gates foundation, the harvard university endowment, these are fundamentally cancers on american society, but they pretend to be charities, so they benefit from preferential tax treatment. so aoc talks about taxing the wealthy, but the harvard university endowment pays zero tax. the ford foundation that funds those radicals pays zero tax. they are not actually going to tax their wealthy friends or funding radical left-wing ideology. what they're going to do is tax normal americans and protect their friends, protect their special privileges so they have the resources to continue to fund what is ultimately the destruction of our country. this ideology is going to destroy our country. it gets special tax privileges from the american taxpayer to do that. >> tucker: so even bernie sanders, who was considered a radical for reordering our economy, et cetera, i don't think he ever called for taxing openly partisan nonprofits like this. have you ever heard any politician say why are we subsidizing this insanity, these are the richest institutions in

america and they don't pay any taxes, why doesn't anyone say that? >> no, other than me i don't know anybody was talking about it. of course the left-wing radicals are not going to talk about it because they care more about identity politics then lifting up the american worker. in these foundations are the ultimate institutions of identity politics. when you think about it, this is crazy, talker, where talk about hundreds of billions of dollars in ill-gotten accumulated wealth. it serves as a tax haven for left-wing billionaires and what do they do with this? they fund critical race theory, they fund ridiculous racism, they fund teaching 6-year-olds that they should, you know, cast off their gender. we are actively subsidizing the people who are destroying this country, and they call it a charity. it's just ridiculous. >> tucker: right, so for ordinary people, gas has never been more expensive, simple pleasures i've never been more expensive, the things that normal people need to live, but there's not even a national conversation, not even a hint that we might tax the most

powerful foundations in the country. i hope you keep this up. when you do, how do people respond? >> look, they like it because they recognize at the end of the day, why are we allowing the companies, the foundations that are destroying this country, to receive tax preferences? why don't we seize the assets of the ford foundation, tax their assets, and give it to the people who have had their lives destroyed by the radical open borders agenda? give it to the people whose lives have been destroyed by the heroin epidemic. give it to the angel moms who have lost a kid thanks to the ford foundation's ideas. this is what conservatives, we need to wake up about, the left is completely controlling our society through these institutions. if we don't fight back against them, they are going to make this country not a good place to live. >> tucker: amen, thank you. j.d. vance, i appreciate that, thank you for coming on tonight, good luck. >> thanks. >> tucker: so since the beginning of covid, a lot of people, not partisan people, just ordinary people, have asked wait, why is the vaccine the only real medical treatment for

this virus? is that true of any other disease? no. it turns out there are several drugs that, according to clinical studies, do have promise in treating covid safely and effectively. interestingly, the fda has not approved any of them. why? that's all straight ahead. ♪ ♪

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>> tucker: here's an interesting story. the federal government has done everything it can to approve the covid vaccine despite the fact that we don't actually know what the long-term effects are because we couldn't know. at the same time, apparently, for months, the fda has been sitting on applications for several drugs that appear to be safe and effective therapeutics for people who are hospitalized with covid. what is this exactly? dr. cameron to rent is ceo of the bio fark to pharmaceuticals company and joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on.

can you give us an example of the kind of therapy that hasn't received the okay from the fda, and why you think that is. >> thanks for having me on this evening, tucker. just perhaps to start with the scale of the problem that we are dealing with, over one in 400 adults, americans, have died since the beginning of the pandemic. and just to translate that into some further numbers, that's more than 685,000 people that have died. most of them in the hospital. so to give some context to that, that the equivalent of the entire population of nashville, tennessee, or the city of boston. and so it's vitally important to balance the focus on vaccines to

include therapeutics. >> tucker: yes. >> particularly therapeutics for people who find themselves in the hospital and especially those people who require extra oxygen. >> tucker: so why wouldn't the federal government's best public health apparatus pushing as hard as possible to find and approve effective therapeutics for this virus? >> well, there are a number of companies that have been working on developing therapies, including our own company. with our product, some people refer to it as lenzy, we demonstrated 54% improvement in the relative likelihood of surviving without needing a ventilator. and we are partnering with fda -- fda has a very difficult job to do.

they are very stretched and under resourced, and we are pleased to work with fda as a collaborative partner, and we hope with the benefit of additional data that it will be authorized in due course. there are other therapies also available, but not very many, and we need more proven safe and effective therapies for physicians to increase the size of their -- for people who find themselves in the hospital through no fault of their own. >> tucker: well, that's exactly right and we spent a lot of time blaming people for their own illness and pretend that only one drug offers any kind of solution to this problem. i appreciate you reminding us that there are other options. i appreciate that, thank you.

>> thank you. >> tucker: we are out of time, unfortunately. we could go on forever. we will be back however, tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m., the shoulders the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. we hope you have the best night. sean hannity, the great sean hannity takes over next at 9:00. >> sean: think he was always. we appreciate it and welcome to "hannity." >> america held hostage, abandoned behind enemy lines. >> sean: think of it, 45 days. 45 days since hundreds and hundreds of americans and their families abandoned behind enemy lines, 45 days since thousands of green card holders, apel eligible to be in this country legally, were abandoned. 45 days since thousands of siv holders and their families were abandoned and our afghan allies, and 40 days since joe biden lied to the entire world and promised to stay in afghanistan until every single u.s. citizen