♪ ♪ >> sean: unfortunately that's all the time we have left this evening. please set your dvr so you never miss an episode. in the meantime, let not your heart be troubled. "the ingraham angle" is next. we will see you tomorrow night. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. as youtube kicks users off its platform under the guise of covid misinformation, the left and the media cheer as if it's all long overdue. glenn greenwell tells us what the censorious tendencies are really about, and do you remember when being a maverick in the senate mattered? well, now that the mavericks reside on the left, the media is lashing out. senator josh hawley response to that. but first, how to crater the u.s. economy, that's the focus of tonight's angle.

today is national manufacturing day, did you know that? the white house issued a proclamation marking the occasion and it mentioned correctly that american manufacturing is essential to our economy. it employs over 12 million americans directly, and many more indirectly, and it noted how many manufacturing jobs were upended during the pandemic, 578,000. if the proclamation also points out that these losses and other factors adversely affected our supply chain. supply chains disruption left our nation short of life-saving protective equipment, ventilators, and other essential health equipment at a time when we needed it most. well, there's the rub. when we import so much of what we need and use from steel to pharmaceuticals, plastics, computer chips, we leave ourselves susceptible to huge economic headwinds and during covid, it ended up being a matter of life and death. now, biden talks a good game

about helping rebuild our supply chains and supporting american jobs and manufacturing him up but his policies are having the opposite effect. have you tried buying a refrigerator lately? a car, anything with a chip in it? even simple parts for something like a broken lawn mower, snowblower. imagine what the companies manufacturing these goods are going through. take a look at the situation at the port of los angeles. dozens of tankers loaded half a million containers worth of goods and materials are just sitting off the coast waiting to be unloaded. well, this is what it looks like when a labor shortage meets massive underinvestment in infrastructure buried with got a lot of people sitting on the sidelines out there too. now, they simply can't keep up with the demand. if you are manufacturing something, you need the parts, you need the elements of it. so then what happened? well, orders are slowed dramatically. some orders are canceled

altogether, and then profits end up plunging. employees are laid off or their benefits are cut. productivity has hampered hendon economic growth, that's eventually hurt. so everybody knows what's happening, but few are willing to talk about how we got into the supply chain whole and how we can dig ourselves out of it. the hollowing out over decades of our manufacturing and industrial base is one of the main drivers of the problem. businesses following washington's relaxed trade policies before trump offshore their operations to maximize profits by paying lower wages for labor. that's what they were able to do overseas. now, democrats and globalist are republicans alike cheered this as a win-win for american companies and consumers, who get cheaper stuff. in fact, conservatives scoffed at those of us who warned about destroying blue-collar jobs. this column, written just four years ago in national review by

kevin williamson, is a prime example. he wrote "one of the great enduring stupidities of modern economic life is the belief that buying american is somehow beneficial to the united states as a whole. it does buy american create or protect american jobs? almost certainly not." it's difficult to imagine having a more misguided view on things, it's hard to imagine. for anything critical to our survival, being reliant on china is moronic in the short and long-term, and most americans are now coming to understand this fact. biden didn't create the supply chain problem, but his policies sure won't fix it. watching democrats today twist themselves into knots over there multitrillion dollar spending bills, how many trillions here, how many trillions there, what can we agree to. well, we see how clueless they are about all of this. >> the reconciliation bill is about the priorities that are getting funded.

>> we ivies who want child care is universal. >> we have a generational obligation, a historic obligation to address climate change, to transition from fossil fuel combustion to clean and renewable energy. >> the reconciliation bill was a culmination of my service in congress, because it was about the children. the children, the children, the children. >> laura: they have no idea how wealth is created. in fact, the children no more than they do. how to build a strong middle-class, how to get people back to work, how to get people to want to work again. they don't even think about what things like this mean, why texas is doing better than new york. does nancy ever think about that? why florida is outpacing illinois. how about why businesses are leaving states like massachusetts for tennessee? that's what gun manufacturer smith & wesson just announced they were doing. do the democrats even care? doesn't seem so.

they think money grows on trees. their answer to everything is to borrow and print more money, raise taxes, and regulate industries into the dust. we had a booming economy less than two years ago. we had record low unemployment. we had no inflation and china was back on its heels. but none of those good outcomes brought us closer to the progressive political goals of discrediting capitalism, demonizing wealth creators, and encouraging americans to become ever more dependent on the government. biden had some decent instincts on the value of made in america when he visited that mack trucks plant in kent pennsylvania. >> president biden: in recent years, buy america has become a hollow promise. my administration is going to make buy american a reality. we will be expanding to help them get a better deal when they

buy a made in america products. >> laura: but his it administration is being hijacked by the same globalist forces that dug the hole that we are in now. he's turning our china policy over to john kerry, essentially. that was a very bad omen. he is just a foolish globalist married to a billionaire invested heavily in china. meanwhile, biden's more on oil and gas is going to hurt any effort to bring back manufacturing to the united states. to do that, to bring manufacturing back, we need a dependable energy sector that absolutely must include traditional sources. unilateral disarmament on energy, that's what those senators were talking about, that's what john kerry wants, that's only going to strengthen china's hand. be a drag on our economy. and we know the ccp will do whatever it takes to keep their factories running no matter what. as "the wall street journal" notes, issued by the interior department for drilling on federal land declined to 171 in august of 670 in april.

that's a 75% drop in permits. in liberal states are also walking the progressive plank. just this week, the companies behind the 116-mile ten east pipeline plan that would have brought crucial natural gas supplies to new jersey, called it quits. why? well, legal battles with environment of radicals, that's why. and of course the state of new jersey. the cumulative effect of the left's energy policies has been to destroy the energy independence we achieved under president trump and then force american families and small businesses to maddening levels of price inflation at the pump. the national average price for a gallon of gas is a seven year high right now. the price is an entire dollar higher than just last year. the price of natural gas has doubled what it was last year, so heating bills could be 30% higher this winter. now, if that fact alone doesn't wake up the voters of

new england, who sent nine democrats, plus left the independents like bernie sanders and angus king, to the u.s. senate, i don't know what will. here's the bottom line: everything the democrats are doing is discouraging investment and job creation in the united states, and at the same time, it's going to encourage, it's going to prompt inflation. we need to end the attacks on our energy sector, fully reopen the economy without these mandates, stop the crippling taxes and regulations that push businesses overseas, and stay out of disastrous trade acts like the trans-pacific partnership. if we keep going down the path, we will end up with a combination of unnecessary high unemployment and rising prices, just like we had in the days of jimmy carter. looking at all of this, i can say one thing. elections cannot come soon enough, and that's "the angle." joining me now is mike

liberatory, president of hp k industries, made in the usa manufacturer based in upstate new york. thank you for joining us. now, you don't rely on imported products. how did that prepare you for the past 18 months better than most? >> well, laura, my business was started in 1985 by my father anthony. i joined in '86 and ever since the mid-'80s, we had a domestic supply chain, so we always purchased all of our raw materials and any essential components from companies located in the united states. >> laura: so you didn't have to go to -- you didn't have to go hat in hand to china or india or the philippines in a pandemic to get essential items for your business. what is your business? >> my business is manufacturing ppe >> laura: okay, so you are

the only one up and running when the pandemic hit essentially. >> in the united states, it was the only company that actually manufactured all my products in the united states. of i would say over 90% of the ppe comes from china and other asian countries. so when the pandemic came about, i had millions of pounds of ppe fabric in my warehouse this year in upstate new york, so we were in a unique position because i have the raw materials. i had all -- everything that i needed, so my business really exploded during 2020. i tripled my workforce, i purchased a new building. this was done with the help of the state of new york in the former governor, but we were able to really expand and get

our production up, increase our employment, and we supplied critical ppe to major summit conductor companies, computer companies, pharmaceutical companies, biotech companies, research companies. >> laura: wow. >> all the companies that needed it and we currently continue to do so. >> laura: people here about this debate and they say yeah, we kind of get it, but it's so much cheaper to buy it overseas. and americans just don't want to pay anything. they don't want to pay what it's going to cost to have an american-made products. and to you say? >> well, if you're going to shut down the production and/or production brings you in revenue of a million dollars a day, so you save a thousand dollars on ppe and you lost a million dollars in your production, it just doesn't make sense, so we've been able to identify the customer base that wants a domestic supply chain, doesn't want to take the risk, and

actually got burned during covid. we stepped in when the global companies could not supply the customers -- >> laura: mike, this is just a lesson to other american companies, keep at it, don't give up when the going gets tough and the american voter has to hear this. i hope people learn their lesson after this pandemic. this battle will continue, thank you. and building a sustainable supply chain here in the united states is a foreign policy and domestic sustainability issue. we saw of course during the pandemic how few resources -- few products, i should say, were made here, which of course then hurts our response. now we are seeing how the ravages of a global inflationary crisis make it more expensive to heat your home buy groceries, even buy christmas presents. so it seems to me it's time for the federal government, that they played a role in rebuilding american industry. here now is someone seeking to do just that, republican

tennessee senator bill hagerty. senator, while the democrats are still haggling over there multitrillion dollar waste of our money instead of focusing on manufacturing back to the united states, why is this issue now beginning to resonate of made in america? >> well, you did a wonderful job of laying out the rationale for what's hollowed out our manufacturing sector over the past couple of decades. and it's been policies on both the republican and the democrats are that have done it. things changed in 2017. when president trump came into office, we finally had some buddy that was willing to stand up to communist china. and you know how they compete, they steal intellectual property, they heavily subsidize industries, they block unlimited access to their own markets. they don't play on the same set of rules. and president trump stepped up and made a real difference there. he also made a huge difference here domestically. he made the united states a much better place to invest and create jobs. i'm talking about the regulation, making us any interdependent -- energy independent, as you pointed out so clearly. a tax act of 2017, that set off

a boon here in america, a blue-collar boom that brought more and more jobs back from overseas, companies begin to do risk their supply chain from china. it had begun before the pandemic it is. >> laura: senator, what they're saying now is oh, don't worry because there are all these solar panels that are going to be made in the united states and wind turbines. do you buy that? >> not at all. we know where those wind turbines and solar panels are made. this is advantage right back to china. they kill our industry here, making us more vulnerable to countries that do not have our best interests of at heart. china wins in this scenario. >> laura: jen psaki wants everyone to believe, senator, that biden is totally in control of the whole supply chain issue. watch. >> secretary psaki: we have a very aggressive and ambitious supply chain effort to address the challenges we are seeing in the supply chains. we also were impacted -- are supply chains around the world were impacted a great deal by delta and we are working in part to address and help many

countries recover from covid so that we can get supply chains up and running. i will note that we look at our relationship with china and all the components through a comprehensive package. >> laura: senator, what -- first of all, what is that? i mean, how is that going to solve the problem when the cost of energy and in -- is going up and inflation is going up. how are we going to be able to do this with the supply chain? >> their policies are absolutely cutting the exact wrong way, just as you say. they make us less energy independent, they make us more vulnerable to companies like china -- countries like china. they incentivize china, they give people less rational to go back to work, that's why we have this employment shortage across the nation. now there talk about taxing corporations and job craters to a point that no one will want to move here. they are going to incentivize jobs moving yet again back overseas with the policies they're putting forward. >> laura: but the irs agents they are going to hire in the

surveillance they want to do, how long is that going to work for them? >> it feels a lot like china surveillance. they're going to insert themselves in every aspect of american lives. people don't want this. my constituents are letting me know very clearly, they are deeply concerned about the overreach of the said administration. you talk about the financial transactions and the oversight there. think about what's happened just this year in the biden administration when the irs released private taxpayer information. no one has paid the price for this, yet they're putting confidential taxpayer information to attack their enemies. the public is very concerned about this in the last thing we should be doing is giving them even more access to our private information. >> laura: government is their growth industry, it always will be. thank you so much, good to see you. >> thank you. >> laura: youtube just took extraordinary steps to ban accounts that it claims are anti-vax. the celebration from the media and the left, it's been widespread, it tells you all you need to know about who really supports corporate censorship

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2400 page spending bill is a provision enabling a tenfold increase in osha fines. this would be able to slap companies that defy the vaccine mandate with fines as high as -- this can't be right. as the in of zeros? $700,000, and that's for each violation. here now is jonathan turley, george washington university law professor, fox news contributor. professor, osha. osha is going to protect us in the worst place, i say, they're going to do all the right things for the american people, this agency. but this could put businesses under. any legal challenges arising from this and could they be successful? >> first of all, from a policy standpoint, this is in line with that old naval order that the flaw being -- morale improves. the biden administration went through this period where they were offering money if you take the vaccine. ohio was offering a million

dollar lottery. it didn't get people in through the doors, so they've now gone to an all stick approach. this thing would really bludgeon many businesses out of existence if they got their way. and the thing is, it's not up to the businesses. a lot of people are preferring to walk away. i talked to a doctor this weekend of a major hospital on the east coast. he said 20% of his doctors and nurses are saying that they won't get the vaccine, and to try to throw up his hands and said i don't know what we're going to do, we can't fire 20% of our staff without having serious problems in this hospital. so, it's not clear how this is going to play out, but the courts are likely to uphold it, because -- the constitution doesn't protect you from bad policies. that's what elections do. so if congress wants to set its course on this road, it can do so. i think the courts, there will be challenges, the courts may

look at whether this is just -- but for the most part, congress gets a lot of deference and they are allowed do a lot of stupid things. >> laura: explain how the jacobson case of more than 100 years ago governs, or it could be -- i mean, it could be differentiated from this current pandemic given the changes in medicine, given natural immunities, the lethality of this virus for most people. could that be overturned at the court? >> well, jacobson will only take you so far. that was a case in which the supreme court said that a state could impose a vaccine mandate. president biden has gone back and forth as to whether he has the power to do the same thing directly. he is clearly being advised that he cannot, because he cannot. the federal government does not have that power. that's why they decided to go through osha to say that vaccines are needed for

workplace safety. but there are still some problems, laura. first of all, governors like new york and some of these federal agencies, there's a question whether they will recognize religious exemption, particularly at the state level. that could lead to serious challenges, courts could overturn that type of mandate. then there's the issue you mentioned, which is natural antibodies. many people have said their doctors told them not to take the vaccine because their natural antibodies, after recovering from covid, are as high or higher than what they would get from a vaccine. courts are going to have to look at that, look at the science of whether that's true or not, but there's an issue there for judicial reviews and it hasn't really been tested that thoroughly. >> laura: yeah, well, the science definitely shows that broad and durable immunity accrue after exposure to covid, but this is going to end up at

the courts, yes? >> it yes i think it will buried >> laura: well, i can't wait, we will have you back then. great to see you tonight. it's not just the biden administration. big tech also looking to punish vaccine dissidents. youtube has begun purging all videos and accounts that they determine in all their examinations spread misinformation about vaccines. not just about covid vaccines, but all vaccines. facebook has apparently already been doing this for months. the media gatekeepers of modern modern liberalism are downright giddy about this. >> today youtube did something that might very well save a lot of lives. >> anti-vaccine disinformation has always had a huge home on youtube. for over a decade anti-vax graders have forest there. >> they can prove damages to be pro-science are antiscience. if they decide to be pro-science -- >> laura: does that apply to other issues like abortion?

joining me now is independent journalist glenn greenwald. this isn't just though about silencing vaccine skeptics, is it? >> no, the censorship that is being practiced by these tech monopolies is rapidly increasing across all of these platforms and covers virtually every political topic that we debated. it's so ironic, i listen to people celebrating the censorship of alternative views on the grounds of science. science is about debating and questioning all kinds of hypotheses and letting the truth emerge from that debate. this is the opposite of science. this is mandating that orthodox and pieties be ingested that no challenges or questioning of them be permitted. it is not just antiscientific for that reason, but it's incredibly despotic. i mean, the history of the pandemic from the start has been that are authorities have said things that turned out to not be

true freedom good intentions are not, and they want to make it so that you can no longer challenge those authorities when it comes to any of our most crucial debates. >> laura: think about science used to be in favor of. eugenics, lobotomized ring people that had, you know, mental issues. there are all sorts of things that scientists were saying, you know, good, we had scientists in nazi germany who thought a lot of things were appropriate to do, experiment on people and so forth. i mean, so once you start doing that, i think you're right, this goes way beyond this current debate, but folks over at msnbc, glenn, rachel maddow, she is somehow able to infuse youtube's move, or say take it together with russia. watch. >> the company is facing blowback and threats about this new policy from, among other places, the kremlin. because the russian government has been using its propaganda networks worldwide to gleefully

spread anti-vaccine disinformation all over the democratic west. because they are just that concern for our health. >> laura: never heard her talk about china in this manner, which is where the virus actually started, but on one level i guess the fanaticism has to be respected. >> there is such an irony here, laura, which is that people like her have been fixated, obsessed with the kremlin for the last five years, and one of the things that the kremlin does is they ban dissent. they use these platforms, these technology platforms, to ensure that only their views can circulate. china does that as much as anyone, and these are their allies, their like-minded comrades in that effort. they of course think that they are superior morally and intellectually to what russia and china are doing because they are doing it in your best interest, but the tactic is the same and this is the thing that disturbs me the most. if there's always going to be

sensors in society, that's just a natural human impulse, to try and silence other people. that's why there's a free speech guarantee the constitution, the founders knew that would happen. the role that journalists are supposed to play is supposed to be to defend free discourse. that's why the free press is in the first amendment and the most, you know, twisted thing in our society is that it's journalists leading the way and not just celebrating fists tech censorship, but demanding more and more of it. >> laura: they're also not questioning what's happening in places like australia, where police are literally beating people in the streets who disagree. >> i mean, they want that here. they want much greater enforcement of their will. it has nothing to do with science anymore at this point, obviously. on the one hand, they will say, and i agree, that if you are vaccinated, you are no longer really a risk from covid and the other claim that if you're unvaccinated you pose a threat to vaccinated people, that's

entirely contradictory. if what they want is social control. they crave what's going on in australia. they look at that and say that's what we should be doing to our political enemies. the problem for them is that a lot of unvaccinated people are just trump supporters and deplore of us, but also african-americans and latinos, people on their side, and they don't know quite what to do with that. >> laura: great to see you, thank you for being here. remember when the media used to love maverick john mccain? are they getting manchin and sinema the same treatment though with progressives. senator josh hawley is here on that in a moment. smack

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down conquering trump and the republicans efforts at overhauling obamacare. to remember that? but now that senators manchin and sinema have put themselves between the american people and a $3.5 trillion effort to remaking the entire country, the idea of maverick's doesn't seem great after all. >> now it's time i would say for both senators, make your mark and close the deal. what is it that you want? to go why did senator sinema create this deadline that if we don't do something on thursday i'm going to walk? who legislates like that? she's a first-term senator. >> these people are destroying the country, in my opinion. manchin and sinema must be brought to task. they are the enemies right now of them of democracy. >> you also have two republicans in the democratic party who are making problems for the democrats, and that's manchin and sinema. >> that's your opinion. >> i mean, they are republicans, come on.

>> laura: joined me now, republican missouri senator josh hawley. senator, i guess you've been kind of moved to the side for a moment as the most unpopular senator in washington. they are not getting a lot of accolades now. >> they're not, although the idea that there republicans is ridiculous. here's what this shows. at the far left extremists have completely taken over the democrat party. i mean, completely, and if you don't capitulate to them, they will come after you, they will steamroll you, they will try and destroy you, and they are willing to do that even if you've got the word democrat after your name. what they really care about is you agreeing with them and agreeing to bow down in front of their agenda, and that's what they want right now and of course i'm not going to do that, i hope that manchin and sinema stand firm. at the end of the day, we got to go out there and present an alternative because as you said, with the democrats are trying to do, with the left is trying to do, is completely remake this country. >> laura: what's amazing about all of this, you heard that one congress and say this is no way

to legislate. how do you legislate like that? and i would like to turn it right back on him and say how was this a way to legislate when you go to one guy and say what's your price tag without even talking about what's actually in this bill, whether it's going to lower the standard of living of most americans with a tax on oil and gas, et cetera, et cetera, or whether it's going to raise the standard of living of most americans, that's not even being discussed. it's just the price tag, which, again, that's not a way to legislate. what is our country need? we need growth and jobs. that's what we need. >> that's exec the right and it shows you that the democrats are really desperate. i think that's the take away here. they know that the president is in a free-for-all. they know this is a man who led us into abductive disaster in afghanistan. he humiliated this nation with his disgraceful evacuation and abandonment of american citizens in afghanistan. he's led us into disaster at the border. he is somebody who clearly is not up to the task and out the democrats are frantic. they are frantic to jam through

their unpopular agenda, and they're willing to do just about anything to get there. >> laura: well, cori bush, congressman who represents st. louis area, she has her own thoughts about this process. watch. >> the compromise was the 3.5 trillion, so if he -- if he needs -- if he just wants to talk to some at about it come talk to me, and i will tell you what it's like to not be able to pay for your child care, to not be able to pay for your medications and your rent at the same time. it is unconscionable that he can stand puffed up and hold the line on something that hurts people now and to say that i will toss you some crumbs right now and hopefully you can say you ate. >> laura: oh, my gosh, senator, i don't even know what to say about this. at this point, democrats literally have no idea how the real world works, how you create jobs, make a payroll. what does it mean to hire a new workforce. it just money does literally grow on trees and to give it away to people and their life is

going to get better. >> how but the fact that right now you've got working americans who are paying the inflation tax the democrats have created every single day. people are paying more money for food, they are paying more money for gas, they can't afford to get their car repaired. why? because inflation is out of control thanks to the democrats and their social spending, and they want to make it worse. so you talk about hurting working families, hurting working people. the democrat agenda is nothing but grinding them down in favor of what, they're far left woke politics. that's who wins in this, you know this. it's the far left or the ones really behind this $3.5 trillion agenda, they want to remake this country, that's what this is about. >> laura: are we going to call them that? that's actually really cute. i haven't heard that before. i like that. it's like walkie-talkies -- wokies, i like that. i'm going to use that from now on. senator, good to see you tonight, things were coming on. in the white house wants you to believe they are outliers, these

polls, but unfortunately poll after poll is revealing a very inconvenient truth for biden. he's lost america's trust. tom devon, jason chaffetz will be here, they are going to explain what's driving it and why a rebound may not happen.

♪ ♪ >> president biden: again, i will include -- this is a process, and it's going to be up and down. that's why i don't look at the polls. not a joke. >> laura: for his sake, i hope he is telling the truth, because poll after poll over the past two months has shown that america is losing faith in president biden, and contrary to the white house is wishful thinking, it isn't temporary, and that is only because of the horrifying afghanistan debacle. jobless claims are up for the third straight week as inflation roars. thousands of migrants are pouring over our borders with an estimated 60,000 more haitians on their way. so biden hasn't defeated covid as he promised on the campaign trail, and his mandates are growing more unpopular by the day. a new poll shows two-thirds of likely voters oppose firing workers who object to the vaccine. joining me now is tom bevan,

cofounder and president of real clear politics and jason chaffetz, foxes contribute or, for irishman and host of the podcast "jason in the house." good to see you, gentlemen. tom, as we lay out these crises top to bottom, which one of them do you think produces the most -- the visceral emotion among the voters against biden? >> i mean, in the short term it was afghanistan. we saw his numbers plummet across the board, particularly as they watched what happened, but i think in the long term, laura, the one that is actually going to produce the most political, potentially adverse political effects for biden are his' policies surrounding economy. if inflation continues to work, if the economy does not come back, we continue to see high jobless number's, that's what's really going to hurt the democrats at the polls next november and biden in 2024. because that's what -- voters are seeing that in their everyday lives and to the extent they continue to see that get

worse, democrats will pay a price for that. >> laura: now, jason, beyond this inflation issue, biden's handling of the border continues to drag him down, this new poll shows that just 33% approve of his handling of the border, 66% disapprove. jason, republicans over the years have told us that a more lax border policy, more generation migration -- generous migration policy are wildly popular, even though gallup polls show it wasn't wildly popular, what is this telling is now? >> well, first of all, he put kamala harris in charge and we haven't even really seen her other than the airport stop by. people can see for themselves, you've got all these people coming across the country. the one poll number where she's actually -- where they are both doing pretty well as with chinese, russians, iranians, and people who want to come here illegally. with that segment of the population outside the

united states, they are doing pretty well, but with americans, they sympathize with the border patrol, they don't want to have these covid-written outbreaks coming into their towns, these people aren't even tested for covid, for goodness sake, and they are coming here illegally! it's just -- the american people, that's not what they signed up for. the border was under control until joe biden changed the policy and now it's not. >> laura: it's purposeful at this point. i think we all can see that. and, tom, a little detail inside that new poll i think should have the white house and democrats pretty worried, because it found that biden's approval among independents was underwater by 22 points, and other recent polls, as i think you know, have found similar really bad numbers. so how big a deal is this, tom? eight month into the presence and, eight and a half months, independents are fleeing. >> yeah, it's a huge deal because independents are going to be very decisive in elections. and i think one of the things

that the biden demonstration is fighting right now both with what's going on congress and as he just mentioned come at the border, they are trying to keep support among democrats. right now is got 85, 95% among democrats but he's taking flak from the left because of his immigration policies. if they are not permissive enough, and right now he's trying to get this bill through congress. if it doesn't go through, he's going to lose support among progressive democrats, that's going to drag his numbers down even further, so the biden demonstration is really caught trying to sort of cater to the left-wing of their base because they are not -- they've lost were republicans from the get-go and now they lost independents, they are losing them more and more, so that leaves them relief -- they can't afford to lose any support among democrats. >> laura: , jason, let's say the end of getting some $1.5 trillion reconciliation through, let's say that happens, something like that. who knows what's going to happen. let's say they get it. do you really think that's going to change much for biden and the

democrats and the midterms really? >> no. i don't. and it was sold on a lie, it was the idea that it was all paid for. it's 100% paid for. >> laura: free! >> it's not free -- it's not free, it's going to be paid for by the american people with the tax that is imposed through inflation. they're going to have massive regulation because you're going to grow government. the more you're going to grow government the more regulars are going to have and the government is not going to suddenly operate better, it's not like the highways are going to get better or education is going to get better, it's just going to be government flush with money, and that hurts the average american. there's a proper role of government, but it's limited. if not unlimited like biden and harris see it. >> laura: tom, do you agree with that? if they get that through will that give them much of a bump? >> i don't know that will -- look, it's not going to hurt them, again, because it will keep support among democrats. democrats will be happy they got

something through. if they don't they will lose support among democrats. i will go back to if they do get this passed, if it doesn't result in actual tangible results for the american people in their day-to-day lives and in fact if it makes them demonstrable worst by fueling inflation, then i think it will, in the end, hurt the democrats and hurt president biden. >> laura: yeah, prices are going to be going up. wait until you get those heating bills this summer -- this winter comics usually, in new england. tom, jason, thank you. lebron james and i agree on something. the last bite explains.

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>> this is a fox news alert. president biden's jacobite is domestic policy agenda is stalled. late-night meetings have consumed capitol hill elves democrats try to salvage their plans

ten or more house republicans would back the package but that's not enough to make up the deficit on the democratic side. progressives want details nailed down on the democrats $3.5 trillion social spending package before they backed the infrastructure bill. the house and tenant have voted to avert a government shutdown. that's the latest from washington. i'm chad pergram. fox news. ♪ ♪ >> greg: all right. another glorious day or night in nashville. what a great audience. we've had great audiences all week. for comparison, here is the "gutfeld!" crown.