protect him with all your heart. simparica trio. ♪ >> what is your message to the moderates who are frustrated with the delay in the vote? >> everybody's frustrated. that's part of being in government. hey, look, one of the things i love about you guys, i watched you, biden, wow, he going to do this? biden's going to work like hell to make sure we get it passed. i think we'll get it passed. neil: the president leaving earlier this morning from the white house enroute the

wilmington, delaware, where he'll be spending the weekend, but the message is clear, these two bills are linked together. the infrastructure-only measure and the far more expensive $3.5 trillion plan. nonetheless, by linking them, he put the speaker, nancy pelosi, on the spot. she had wanted stand-alone votes on the bipartisan infrastructure plan as an indication of getting something done for the american people and then work on the bigger package separately. progressives were not buying that. they're happy, moderates are not. the latest thousand from mark divot at the white house. hey, mark -- mark meredith at the white house. >> reporter: hey, neil. president biden says this can still get through, but we are seeing a bit of a struggle within the democrat party on these two spending bills. one, the infrastructure bill that does have bipartisan support, and the other, this much larger social safety net bill that is costing a lot of money, and that's what you've got the moderate democrats so upset with, the price tag.

saying they're not going to be able to support infrastructure until they see that much larger spending bill to get approved. the president was certainly hoping to see some progress made, right now a little bit of a stand still. and just a few moments ago we asked the president when we might see both of these bills move forward. >> i believe i can get this done. i believe when the american people are aware of it, we can get it done. >> reporter: do you think by thanksgiving, sir? do you think this could all be done by thanksgiving? >> i think it'll be done by -- [inaudible] come on. i think it'll get done plenty of time for it to be part of -- [inaudible] people next year and and -- [inaudible] >> reporter: the president there still seem to be very confident he's going to be able to get this done as he was leaving for wilmington, delaware. he's going to be spending the weekend up there away from the cameras, but he says he's going to be working the phones and next week hitting the road to explain this measure.

and while the president says he's confident this is all going to work out,some democrats are warning the longer this debate drags on, the less likely their party's going to show movement before next year's elections. this historic bipartisan infrastructure package is at risk, they put civility and bipartisan governing at are risk. republicans are glad to see this coming to a standstill. >> i hope the progressives stand their ground so that nothing happens. that would be the best result. and then when we win in november 2022, we can start reversing the damage of the biden administration by thing progressive left. >> reporter: the president certainly could use a win on his legislative record, a new ap poll yesterday shows his job approval rating at 50% and, neil, only 34% of americans telling the associate press they believe the cup is headed in the right direction -- the country is headed in the right

direction. when it's going to happen, nobody knows. neil? neil: all right. thank you, my friend. great reporting asking the big commander in chief those questions, timelines here. apparently, he doesn't have them. let's go to chad pergram right now. the president already in wilmington, delaware, he'll be spending the weekend, so it's pretty clear there's no sense of urgency on this, at least from the president here, he's optimistic this all gets done. what are people telling you, chad? >> reporter: well, neil, the president's -- [inaudible] at capitol hill -- [inaudible] [audio difficulty] between democrats and the social spending plan, coming close to spiraling off the polls. mr. biden -- [inaudible] around all the different poles, keep the plates spinning for now. this is an operation of incrementalism, the president conceded this weren't the votes to pass the infrastructure bill, but he did secure a compromise

from chairwoman pramila jayapal. the liberals would have to ask for a lot less on the social spending side. jayapal is a big winner in this. she said she had the votes to block the vote, and she made good on that promise. to be frank, house speaker nancy pelosi got rolled by progressives. pelosi insisted all week the house would vote on infrastructure and pass the social spending bill. it never happened. jayapal proved he had the cards. now, this underscores the progressive grip on the house democratic caucus. moderate democrats are incensed with pelosi. the speaker promised a vote last monday on infrastructure. blue dog -- [inaudible] ing murphy of florida said she was disillusioned by the process and said she was profoundly disappointed. and the cochair of the problem solvers' caucus said pelosi, quote, breached her agreement with moderate democrats.

neil? neil: chad, the fact that the president clearly aligned himself with progressives that they'll concede enough to bring the price down from the -- 3.5 trillion, that startled some who thought that the president was going to be pushing for at least one victory, an infrastructure-only victory, and maybe to your earlier point that the votes weren't there for that, he decided to rejoin them together. where does this put at least the party's thinking on where the president's coming from going forward? >> reporter: well, i mean, the fact that he's coming down a lot is significant. but as i've said, and i've said it on your programs over the past week, this will be about policy, not so much a number. and even pramila jayapal suggested that. maybe length of some of these programs doesn't run as long as they had hoped and, therefore, that brings down the cost. that's a way that that you could do this. but again, you know, and we've alluded to this a couple of times before, the dem have a 3-seat margin in the house.

they have a 50-50 senate, and they're reaching for the moon. and maybe this is a bit of an overreach based on the math in the house and senate. so far their legislative eyes may be bigger than their stomach. neil: one other quick add-on. the president made a comment about the debt ceiling, he's optimistic republicans could do the right thing. what did he mean by that, will do the right thing, especially if this is a go it alone democrat strategy? >> well, he hopes that they will get at least 10 republican senators at the end of the day if they have all 50 democrats together to break a filibuster in the senate. one thing to put on your radar screen right now, the 18th of october. there's not been a lot of reporting on this. the democrats in the senate, if this gets to be a crisis, what they could do is a nuclear option to maybe lower the threshold for garden variety legislation which would be the debt ceiling, you know, for

specific legislation like the debt ceiling because this is such an important thing, that that is not subject to a filibuster. in other words, take 60 votes off the table and establish a new precedent as to how you deal specifically with the debt ceiling so it cannot be held hostage by a filibuster. neil: that's very interesting. i wonder also how credit markets will respond to that, chad. i mean, it was ten years ago that we were on the brink, we didn't go over the brink, but it was enough to get standard & poor's to lower our aaa credit rating at the time. i'd be curious how they'd respond to something like this. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. i mean, it might be a thing where just so long as congress has passed and the fact that there is precedent for doing this, and they're not changing the senate rules. this is a new -- [inaudible] both the nuclear option in 2013 and 2017, both of those dealt with senate precedent and, remember, that's the way the senate does much of its business, not based on the actual senate rules. neil: got it.

chad, thank you very much, coming in on a saturday to update us. much appreciated, my friend. to congresswoman nicole malliotakis, new york republican who sits on the house transportation and infrastructure committee. congressman, what do you think of where this is all going right now? you know, neither side, progressives or moderates of the democratic party, appear to have gotten what they wanted right off the bat, but i would have to think that the progressives are feeling a little more cocky than are the mod candidates -- moderates. so where are republicans? >> well, i think this demonstrates the failure to bring this bill to the floor demonstrates that nancy pelosi and is president biden have cow i tow to the socialist -- kowtowed to the socialist wing of the party. i think that's the reason why you're seeing so many things in this country fail right now whether it be the economic issues, the inflation, the labor shortages, what's happening at the border, what happened in afghanistan. a lot of it has to do because they do not govern when they're

allowing the socialist wing of the party to dictate everything. neil: so for republicans the president made a reference to approaching debt ceiling, the fact that technically we run out of money as a cup on october 18th -- as a cup on october 18th -- as a country on october 18th. when he said they'd do the right thing, what do you think he was saying? >> i don't know. i think he's once again not being honest with the hearn people. look, there was an extender that was passed which carried president trump's budget for a couple of months to hold things over. the real issue becomes where are they going to go with this $3.5 trillion package. in there, there are major increases in taxes, major unconstitution in government control into your life, reporting every transaction over $600 in your bank account, doubling the number of irs agents, i mean, talk about big brother. then you have the entitlements in there, the welfare expansion without work requirement, and

this would be really detrimental to the economy. doing the right thing would have been to push forward with the bipartisan infrastructure bill and bring it to the floor and call the bluff of the socialists and tell them they aren't going to hijack something that was generally very good for america and would have really focused on true infrastructure, the roads, the bridges, the coastal resiliency, flood mitigation, sewer systems, you know, ferries, transit, the things that we actually need and what americans pay taxes for. what they're doing is neglecting the things that people actually pay taxes for, national security, public safety, you know, look what they're doing at the border and the defund the police movement. they're neglecting these things that people expect in return for tax dollars, and they're moving down a path of socialism which is extraordinarily detrimental and will change the course of this country forever if they are successful. we have to stop it. neil: you know, you're talking about the support that they've had, partisan support this had

among republicans. 19 republican senators voted for it in that body. how many of your colleagues, republican colleagues, do you think would have supported this? it might still come for a vote, we don't know when. it's not anytime soon, clearly. but how many do you think would vote for this? would you vote for it? >> well, i was inclined to vote for it. and, again, i always say inclined because you never what form is actually going to come to the form. and if they try to add something else to it. i would say you probably had somewhere between a dozen or two dozen republican votes in hand, and i think that was part of president biden's failure here to not reach out to the republicans to confirm how each of us was going to vote to see if they had the votes to make up for the progressives holding back. you can't call it a bipartisan infrastructure bill if it doesn't get bipartisan votes. so i think that was a real mistake on behalf of the president. but it shows once again that he wasn't honest with the american people when he said he wanted to

work in a bipartisan fashion. instead, they're allowing socialists to strive the bus, and this is a dangerous -- to drive the bus, the things that they're proposing, you can point to many countries around the world including venezuela, you know, socialized medicine as well as free education, hugo chavez's platform, and now look. 75% of venezuela is in extreme poverty. you just run out of other people's money. neil: all right. we'll watch it very closely. congresswoman malliotakis of new york, interesting insight on the part of the congressman to say as many as two cousin republican -- two dozen republican votes, simply tonight know. even with that math it's interesting that even allowing for up to 24 republicans voting for this, the prospect of all of the progressives, i think close to 40 of them, who might not vote for it had to be weighed, and that was enough for the

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they respect him, that bernie honestly and consistently is on the side of the working class. neil: all right. just some snippets over the last 25 years. i was here from the very beginning when they turned on the lights, honored to be a quarter century into this and on this show and my other show on fox news and on the fox business network, we will be going back over the last 25 years and some of those memorable interviews, steve jobs and some of the biggest players on the planet as well as average folks who all of a sudden were in the moment and in history. the good moments, the sad moments, the funny moments, all, you know, hurtling back at us 25 years later. look forward to giving you these vignettes not only today, the next couple of hours, but throughout next week as well. in the meantime, something that we've been following it seems like over the 25 years has been the battles at the border. they don't seem to be going

away, and now we're getting indications from panama warning that another 60,000 migrants could be making their way here and not just, by the way, from panama. lieutenant chris oliveras joins us right now, texas department of public safety. chris, great to have you back. what do we know about this latest group heading here? apparently, into the tens of thousands. >> well, good morning, neil, great to be with you. so, of course, we've had reports that there's70,000, approximately 80,000 that have crossed from panama into the southern part of mexico right now, and we're anticipating the route that they're going to take. i know we had reports if title 42 goes away, we're looking at 400,000 plus surging in the month of october. so right now we're closely monitoring where these individuals are going to, what route they're going to take, we're working with our border patrol partners, our federal

partners and anticipating where they're actually going to end up. we saw what happened in del rio, and just to put that in perspective, in del rio we had close to 17,000, and we deployed over 1,000 resources just for that specific incident. now we're talking 70-80,000 plus, that's very concerning to the us as law enforcement. neil: you know, when you do clear where people have gathered, for example, this large throng, you know, that had gotten up to 20,000 at this underpass, where do they all go? because even now we don't get an adequate number to say how many went where. we know that they're cycled all throughout the cup, but there are still thousands unaccounted for. do we know? >> we don't, neil, i've talked to border patrol agents out in the field, i work closely with them and our personnel, and the answer is we don't know. we don't know exactly where these individuals are ending up.

over 12,000 were released into the country and, again, we don't know what vetting process is taking place, we don't know as far as any covid proceeds yours and as well as any other -- procedures and as well as any oh viruses or illnesses that these individuals may have that are being released. it's not only affecting the state of texas the, it's affecting the entire country. they're not staying in texas, they're going out into other states. again, that's very alarming. and also when you have a surge that's taken place daily, thousands coming across, and now you have a potential 400,000 plus coming across for the month of october once title 42 goes away, again, we don't know where these individuals are going to end up and where they're going. neil: just incredible. i don't know how you guys keep on top of this, but you do. lieutenant, keep us posted. i know you don't get much sleep but whatever you can, chris oliveras, they just deal with the problems, don't they? we have a lot more coming up

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♪ neil: thank you for joining our special coverage of the next step in the thursday impeachment trial in our nation's history. >> we've got more than enough ed on which we could and should and will make a decision in this case. >> the question before us in terms of possible removal of the president of the united states coupled with questions of going to war are probably the most important decisions that we have to make.

neil: you know, impeachments were a dominant theme, you know, i was here again at fox from the very gunning, 25 years ago -- beginning, the very next year after our first year, in 1996, obviously, when we debuted, it was 1997, of course, the impeachment trial of bill clinton, capped last year by the impeachment efforts against donald trump. they both failed, ultimately, as did the ones against bill clinton back in 1997. but it was a recurring theme over these last 25 years that we've seen when push came to shove part of the many stories we covered looking back on. they're significant then, there's significance today as we move forward. we have a lot of these little vignettes, goodies to show you just how much things change and sometimes how much they do not. for example, when it comes to things that startle, probably nothing more than the collapse of afghanistan brings home the point that someone made a huge mistake, and it was interesting

to see that the president's top military advisers were clearly pointing the finger at consensus reports that had developed that everyone was onboard with removing our troops and nothing happening afterwards. they wanted to stress that was not the case, and they pounded it this week. take a look. >> on the issue of why we didn't bring out civilians and sivs sooner, again, the call on how to do that and when to do it is really a state department call. >> it's a real possibility in the not too distant future, 6, 12, 18, 24, 36 months, that kind of a time frame, the reconstitution of isis. >> my concern is if we went to zero, that the afghan military and government would collapse and, of course, that's not a potential counterfactual, that is, in fact, what happened. neil: it's very unusual, i want

to raise this with lieutenant colonel bob mcginnis and and, bob, you and i have talked about it before, but it was these military advisers were itching to get their story out. you can go back and forth as to whether they should have resigned or whatever, whether they offered their resignations, apparently they did not, but they want to depart from the with the notion that the president, one of his top key advisers had warned him about, you know, this being a mistake. that really was shouted out to me this week, that they wanted to get their story out. what did you make of it? >> well, it really is echoes of what happened in vietnam. neil, i know in the vietnam war when the chiefs went over and sat down with president johnson, they vehemently opposed what he had wanted to do and, of course, they did what the president wanted, and we ended up with a debacle that, of course, saw us flying off the embassy in 1975.

and the afghanistan situation is much same. as general milley said, the blame is across four presidents, ten secretaries, maybe as many commanders and chiefs of the joint staff, but reality is it's a policy decision. now, i think what the military can be faulted for is the rosy picture over the years that has been a painted by a series of general officers going to the hill saying, well, we're making progress. well, the reality is behind the scenes those of us that have been reading those reports know that that's not true. and i think too often our generals become politicized when hay -- they move into the e ring of the pentagon and go to capitol hill. they forget where they came, and that's dangerous for all of us. neil: you know, colonel, general milley was very clear that our problems with afghanistan aren't over simply because we've left. leaving aside the people who are

still trying to get out, that it could collapse into just total chaos. mentioning isis-k and other groups that now are flexing their muscles, taking on the taliban, and it will be a mess. do you agree with that? >> oh, i do. in 1981, interestingly, i was in the soviet union for a brief visit, and i saw afghan soldiers coming and going back to afghanistan. clearly, that nation lost because it's the wasteland of empires. what we saw, clearly, with what's likely to happen now having given a shot of adrenaline to the taliban is that we're going to see the resurgence of al-qaeda, isis k and a variety of other terrorist organizations much like we see in somalia, other places say in western africa with groups in nigeria and so forth. so this is not like it was 20

years ago, you know, when we had the uss cole issue, the two embassy attacks. what we are facing today is different because we have major adversaries that are right before us. we have the chinese and the russians, and is and then we're spread thin on the war on terror. these things aren't going to go away, and it's going to become far her complex than it has been for a long time. neil: real quickly, passing along these stories of the chinese aircraft getting very close to taiwan. i think it's 30 planes over the last couple of days. that might be dated information too. we hear of more of the sorties in and around taiwan. what do you make of all of this? >> this has been going on for some time but building up, clearly. what henry kissinger said recently is we're on the foothills of a new cold war. i wrote a book three years ago saying we are really replicating the indicators of the cold war that i experienced in europe

decades ago. so this is serious. yes, the buildup in aircraft, the sorties that are around taiwan is about intimidation, it's about celebrating the 72nd anniversary of the people's republic of china. this is very disconcerting but very predictable. neil: we'll watch it closely. colonel, always good chatting with you. bob mcginnis, the retired army lieutenant the colonel. a couple of other developments we're following right now on the vaccine front, very, very promising developments there. cases of the virus markedly declining in this country. but there is, there's an ointment there, there's a problem there. catalyst for in this is something that's really roiling a lot of americans. after this.

♪ neil: we will have an update very shortly from our charles watson in north port, florida, on brian laundrie and the search that goes on and on and on. other developments certainly on the virus and the vaccine fronts here. startling developments at that. it includes merck now out with what it says is a covid pill that halves hospitalizations and deaths. that not only dramatically lifted the stock yesterday, but changed the players of potential saviors when it comes to this aside from pfizer and moderna.

moderna is working on and getting close to approving a half dose as a booster shot of its own, and pfizer pushing and very close, we understand, for approval next month for emergency use of vaccines for kids as young as 5 years old. all of this at a time we're seeing a nationwide crackdown the on mandates and to try to compel people, order people to go get vaccinate. it's gotten to the point right now that a we have better than 5200 teachers in the new york metropolitan area stand to lose their jobs because they have not gotten vaccinated. that extends to other cities and counties across the country where this has been going on. so in the middle of the controversy over this is the realization that however unpopular it might be, maybe even illegal it might be, it has had the desired effect of lifting up the nation's vaccination rate and getting the

number of virus cases reported in this country down and down substantially. alicia acuna joins us with much more on the story, right now what's happening on the brian laundrie investigation as well. >> reporter: hi, neil. actually, i thought i was coming to talk to you about some of the mandates -- neil: no, you are, i'm sorry. i apologize, my bad -- >> i can juggle. [laughter] measure absolutely. neil: i'm not. i'm that the -- not that good. >> coming up on "fox news live," we're going to be talking to a health care worker here in colorado who had covid-19. she is one who is definitely for the mandates. however, it has been quite a controversy in the state of colorado as it has been all over the country. here in colorado the vaccination rate is just over 70% which is higher than the national average which is at about 55.6%.

but at any rate, even in a state like colorado, a very blue state, you've got a lot of people here where it's not as political, we're still having lawsuits. we have one nurse who was on "fox & friends" just a couple of days ago, she was fired because he told her boss that she was not going to get vaccinated. she called her hrd. about it was she didn't like her boss' reaction, and they told her she had voluntarily resigned. so we have these stories all around the country, right? that's how things are going to play out. i think what's most important, neil, is that there's clarity9 with the information from medical officials as well as the administration to keep things less political and more medical. neil? neil: well, it's having the desired effect, right in controversies not withstand ising, to your point at least, getting vaccinated comes at a cost, right? especially when edicts keep coming out and now extend to people applying for jobs, that they have to be vaccinated first.

is there a worry that this boomerangs? >> you know, it's possible because, you know, i mean, americans -- humans in general, americans really don't like being told what to do in a certain way. some americans feel more strongly than others. it could boomerang especially when you're looking at worker shortages definitely. we own a restaurant, it's really hard getting people to show up for interviews let alone, you know, just show up for the job once they get it. so when you add this ore layer there -- other layer there, i can see the possibility of a boomerang, but it can the boomerang the other way in terms of health care costs and in terms of our own general welfare. still right in the middle of it all, right? neil: yeah. we're a long way from the done, i have the feeling. we'll see what happens. alicia, thank you. i apologize again for my confusion. so easy to do when you get to be my age. all right, let's go to charles watson with more on brian

laundrie and the search for him. they don't appear to be making progress, but i might be missing something, charles. >> reporter: well, brian laundrie's sister cassandra, she told "good morning america" in an interview a month ago she had not seen her brother since september 1st. now we're learning she saw him at least once more. the laundrie family attorney telling fox news in a statement that the last time cassandra saw brian was actually september 6th, five days later. in a statement he tells fox news, quote: law enforcement agencies are well aware of these dates. any prior communication by cassie that does not reflect these dates is simply a difference of relating an answer to a question misinterpret by cassie or poorly posed by the inquirer. this alleged september 6th meet-up between the brian and his sister coincides with a camping trip the laundrie family took at the desoto park campground in st. petersburg,

florida. documents reveal the laundries checked into the campground on september 6th and left on the 8th. mean meantime the, newly released body cam footage shows an emotional petito speaking with police during the suspected domestic incident weeks before her disappearance. take a listen. >> two people that came to us and told us that they saw him hit you. there's two people saying they saw him punch you, independent witnesses. >> [inaudible] >> where'd you hit him? >> i slapped him. >> you slap him first? [inaudible conversations] >> reporter: in that same video, the conversations heard between responding officers indicate they believed gabby's story but didn't want to apply's mandatory domestic violence arrest law because they didn't believe it applied in this case. now, the department, the hoab city police department says it

is conducting an in-depth investigation into how its officers handled that domestic dispute. meantime, the fbi and multiple other law enforcement agencies continue their search for brian laundrie. he is wanted on bank fraud charges and is still considered a person of interest in the death investigation of gabby petito. neil? neil: charles watson, thank you very much. want to update you on the president, he's in wilmington, delaware, as we told you earlier. but it will not be an indication, he's working with lawmakers through the weekend on both these infrastructure and spending bills. they are joined at the hip. can't do one without the other. a win for progressives. moderates, not so much.

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country. certainly, we are writing the experience of fox and this nation and its historic chronicling of the big events of this nation, the covid-19 virus and how we and the world dealt with this will go down there as certainly one of the more historic events certainly to cover and to deal with. we just passed the 700,000 mark in this country of people who have died from covid. globally we just passed the 5 million mark. all of this at a time a number of new vaccines are coming out, booster shots are coming out. merck with the possibility of a pill to deal with all of this. admiral brettgiroir joins us, the former assistant secretary of health. admiral, good to have you. first off, on the course of this virus and now the hope that these deaths and markers

notwithstanding, it is getting better, things are stabilizing, they are -- that is, the cases and deaths are beginning to reverse. do you think that holds? >> yes, you're exactly right, neil. we think that looking at the day that the peak of delta transmission occurred probably right at the beginning of september. cases are going down around the country. hospitalizations are starting to go down and, you know, deaths are the lagging indicator, but that is starting to go down too. what we're seeing is that all the southern states, all across the south and midwest, there are, their transmission factors, much lower. we still have a transmission across the northern belt. this is a regional thing, but overall nationally we are going down, and that is great news. neil: you know, admiral, ask you and i have talked about the booster shots and all of that, and it's obviously reserved for people who feel that they might need it, compromised immune systems, elderly, what have you, but already more than half a

million americans have gotten it. what did you make of that? that's a pretty strong response. >> well, i think for pfizer you saw the recommendations of the cdc. it's not only over 65, but it's anyone over 50 with conditions, basically anybody at high risk. neil: right. >> and those are really needed. fortunately, what we think we're going to see is the fda holding their advisory committee hearings in just a couple weeks on astrazeneca and moderna, and i would expect both of them to be authorized as well because we do see that we need a boost, there is waning immunity. it's not just getting the infection, but we do see people who were vaccinated unfortunately now getting hospitalized and dying. the boosters are important. i would wait two weeks if you had moderna or if you had j&j. neil: yeah. it could be just a matter of time. admiral, thank you very much. good seeing you. thank you for all your hard work to address this. the trump administration.

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♪ neil: well, here's the good news on the economy, perm spending is up -- personal spending is up, personal incomes are up. but you know what's up a lot more in inflation. in fact, it just hit a better than 30-year high. it's an index and a gauge that the a federal reserve follows very, very closely, and that kind of a clip worries folks because when it starts that way,

it kind of continues that way, particularly on the energy front. andyandy lipow. do you expect it to continue? >> well, we continue to see energy prices rising, in fact, earlier this week china entrusted its energy providers to do the what is necessary in order to provide enough electricity and other energy sources over the coming winter. and as a result, we've seen natural gas prices soar over the last couple of weeks, and that's dragged up crude oil prices with it. neil: so what happened? normally when you get into the fall, gas prices are traditionally supposed to ease a bit from the summer travel season demand. still early, but that's not happening. so play out these next couple of months. >> well, it certainly hasn't happened, and if we look at what's been going on, first of all, last year the market was surprised when opec plus cut a significant amount of

production, and then this year they've been surprised at the restraint in which opec has shown in order to restore that production. here recently the impact to the oil and natural gas markets has been from hurricane ida which shut down nearly 95% of production in the gulf of mexico. and as a result, we look around the world and we see growing energy demand as countries reopen their economies and return from the pandemic. at the same time, investment has been limited in energy, and what you have is higher prices and, of course, the consumer is seeing that with high prices at the gas pump. neil: yeah. and everything that oil and gas, you know, sort of creeps into all these other prices that are rising as well. andy, thank you very much. i just don't like what you said, but the fact of the matter is right now that there's a lot of balls being juggling in washington to try to ease this. are republicans say it makes it

worse with all this additional spending the democrats are trying to agree on, and they're nowhere close to sort of settling these differences; that is, within the democratic party. but republicans are already saying watch your wallets whether you're earning $400,000 a year or not. ...

>> well, if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try, try, try again and again and again and again, that seems to be the message of the president of the united states who seemed to have aligned himself with the progressives in the democratic party in the bipartisan infrastructure package at that looked like it was getting teed up for a vote by nancy pelosi, not happening now and far more expensive 3 1/2 trillion dollar

infrastructure package linked, you can't do one without the other and that's causing consternation from the moderate democrats not to say the republicans. and lucas tomlinson is in washingtons. >> house speaker nancy pelosi pledged to bring the $1 trillion infrastructure package to the floor for a vote, but it never happened. >> we don't know what the vote schedule is or isn't today. we leave that to speaker pelosi. there's plenty of hours of time left. >> and i canceled my flight an hour and a half from now, i want to be at home in my bed. my cat misses me. >> you don't believe me saying we're not going to have a vote. i knew we didn't have the votes and knew that. >> and according to the

website, pelosi promised a vote in infrastructure, progressives threatened to sink it unless was coupled with the 3.5 trillion social spending beal. joe biden told the democrats to compromise and drop it down to $2 trillion. moderate democrats from new jersey lashed out at progressives, this is far left willing to put the president's agenda at risk and civility and bipartisan governing at risk. president joe biden remains optimistic. >> it doesn't matter when. it doesn't matter whether it's in six minutes, six days or six weeks. we're going to get it done. >> the senate meets later today to fund highway programs which ran out of gas-- excuse me, i mean cash friday morning and the legislation had been part of the infrastructure bill, neil. neil: and lucas, the president, we're told, is working with legislators on this over the

weekend and in wilmington, i believe. so do we know who he's talking to or any of that? >> he talked to democrats, and sot bills might not be ready until tax season, which means with w-2's in january. so it could be many months. neil: that raises an interesting possibility, too, lucas, that some of the tax increases coming, are they going to be retroactive? are they yus going to take place in the new year, assuming anything at that comes to pass, a hearing. >> a lot of assumptions, neil, we have to wait and see, unfortunately. we'll be glued to when congress comes back next week. >> lucas tomlinson with that. congressman henry cuellar, thank you for joining us, i imagine you're frustrated. >> we thought, we were told we

were supposed to have the vote on the 27th. and i think what the progressives are doing they were using the threat that it was the bill was going to sinkment i truly feel that this bill going to-- i mean' talking about the infrastructure. i think we could have got enough democrats and even progressive who would not have voted against it, $1 trillion of infrastructure, roads, bridges, $2 million-- i mean two million jobs for the next 20 years, and we could have got the moderates, but it wasn't put to a vote which is unfortunate. neil: do you think then that nancy pelosi should have called progressive, or that the votes were there and that not all the progressive were against this and maybe, you know, would have

voted and-- >> we have the u.s. chamber and we have the manufacturers, and we have some of the other folks that were working on this to get this to work on the republicans, because you know what was the drill on the republican side, republican leadership was whipping no, but the business community was trying to get republicans to get there. so, i truly feel that if this would have been put on the floor, the republicans, some republicans would have voted in favor and then some of the progressives who said they wouldn't vote, they would have not voted to send billions of dollars to their states. i mean, some of the hard core probably not, hard core, probably not. i saw some of the names, i think some of them would not have gone against nancy pelosi if this would have been on the floor, but here we are talking about this infrastructure bill that is so close, so close to

rebuild america's roads and bridges. neil: it is interesting right now because one thing that revealed itself yesterday, was the president aligning himself with the progressives of your party. they wanted these two kind of linked. he'd gone back and forth and whether he was going to do that, but he obviously shows where he's coming from and where he will be coming from. does that make the possibility of getting this thing voted on, i'm talking about the infrastructure only package, more difficult now? >> you know, i think what the president was trying to do, i was listening to him. he was trying to play immediate immediate eight mediator, and he says it's not 3.5 i don't have what they had. i've got 50-50 in the senate

and three votes in the oust and maybe 1.9 to maybe 2.3 trillion dollars. so he was trying to lower that expectation, but then, to the moderate, he was saying, hey, we've got to pass both bills together. so he was trying to address both of them and you saw what happened. you know, i think some people are not happy on both sides. progressives are not happy because that's not 3.5 trillion. but the-- some of us, we wanted this vote. it's a bipartisan bill. put it on the vote, on the floor, if it passes, it passes, but if it doesn't, it doesn't. but i it will you, it will pass. neil: you know, are you disappointed in the president? i mean, this stands the very likelihood of not happening at all, neither the infrastructure package or this far more

grandeiose one and this and the dealings on the borders. are you worried for the president that he's looking damaged now? >> certainly on the border, we certainly disagree. i think we need to make sure we have law and order. we need to make sure we secure our borders and you've heard me speak so many times and so that-- i mean, just in the valley yesterday, neil, in one week, 12,200 people came in in one week just in the valley, so the numbers are system coming because they feel the border is open. on this particular issue, i think he was trying to thread the needle. i think we are going to get both of them done, but, you know, as i said, i was not in the room when someone came up with the 3.5 trillion. i want to see means test. i don't like some of the pay forwards that we have there. i don't want to punish business just to raise money.

i mean, we've got to produce jobs. i want to make sure that our businesses are competitive, especially across the world. so, there's, you know, and again, you know, somebody came up with 3.5 trillion dollar. i was not in this room, now, whoever came up with that number, so and neil, you know what they're doing, somebody came up with the number 3.5 and trying to raise taxes to meet the 3.5, trying to raise spending to reach the 3.5, that's not the way we look it. we look at who needs the need and the means tested and those who need help, the young and the old and take it from there and see if we can pay for that. >> it sounds like if it stuck around the 3 1/2 trillion dollar range, you would not support it? . no, i would not support 3.5. i think that's an arbitrary number that somebody came up with. let's look at the needs that we have, that we need, make sure that there's no dupecation and

don't target industry because you don't like industry. and when it comes to taxes, punish business, things like that, i don't like. and on the infrastructure -- i mean, on the human investment, let's look at who really needs the help and means test it. have accountability. you know, we don't just come up with a number and fill it up with taxes and spending, no. let's look at what the needs are and take it from there and see if we can afford that. neil: there's a concept. henry cuellar, the beautiful state of texas. senator bill cassidy joins us, the louisiana republican that sits on the finance committee,

was among the republicans who eagerly supported the infrastructure-only package and now, i guess, senator, it's in limbo. your thoughts. >> neil, it's incredibly frustrating. as henry said, it gives universal access to broadband, builds needed roads and bridges, in my state hopes coastal restoration and flood mitigation and it's been held hostage and at this point to defeat it by people who oppose just to oppose. that's what's wrong with washington d.c., we don't put the needs of people first, we put another agenda, and nothing happens. this is a textbook case why the american people are frustrated with washington d.c. neil: i heard one journalist refer to this as, it's bernie sanders's world now and we just

live in it. that's not bad for a guy who lost the democratic presidential nomination to a moderate, joe biden, but it does say something about the times now certainly for the democratic party and its priorities going forward. >> i don't know if it's bernie sanders' world because of the tax and spend extraffic -- extravaganza, the 3.5 trillion. if it's making the life of average american with much better with jobs and hold it hostage either because they want to oppose it because one puts it up or hold it hostage for another agenda forward, i'm not sure it's just bernie, it's a lot of people and it's wrong for the american people. hurricane ida hit my state and

there are people just getting their electricity turned back on. we have money in the infrastructure bill to harden the grid, whether it's winter storms in texas or the northeast, whether it's a hurricane on the gulf coast or on the west, we can harden the grid and make it safer. that's been opposed just to oppose, held hostage just to hold hostage. that's what's wrong with washington d.c. neil: senator, bill cassidy. very good seeing you, sir. thank you very much, we'll see what happens now with the forwardness whenever that happens and nancy pelosi has written a letter to all of her colleagues right now on this drama this past week, saying we all take pride in the rescue package, which is a giant step in meeting the needs of the american people and putting hundreds of numbers in workers pockets and children, and jobs back to safety and schools. there's an expiration date to

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>> welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. thank you for the debut edition of cavuto live, i named it myself. >> good to see you, could you cut down the air conditioning a little bit. neil: you're cynically saying, neil did you time the government shutdown for the show's debut? that's ridiculous, but something. >> the schumer shutdown is colder. >> it's up to the democrats to decide whether they want to open the government up or not. neil: you know, that's when this show debuted, gosh, almost four years ago, right in the middle of a government shutdown. in 1996 when fox news went on the air 25 years ago, we have had five government shutdowns through bill clinton, we had two under barack obama, and technically three under donald

trump, varying lengths, but that's why the shock effect of this sort of stuff doesn't register because it happens so darn often. we always, always afraid the reaper with, you know, default and any of that kind of stuff which would throw the world into a tailspin, but we get awfully close, so we're keeping an eye on that and one of the big themes certainly over our last 25 years here, the chicanery and confusion in washington continues to this day and each and every year i've been here, never seen anything like this, never seen anything like this and now this year, we've never seen anything like this. we have, again and again. i digress. and it's been a constant theme, if you think about it, 20-plus years what's happening at the border and a mess yet again. it was cleared out and now throngs more coming our way.

what's it about? >> neil, i'm going to get out of the way here, a few moments ago, you see what's happening, and it's happening all week in these numbers, look in between the trees there, we've got a group of five migrants who are crossing the rio grande and this is what we see all week, you know, right around this time when the river levels are low, they come across and they give themselves up to texas dps who hand them over to border patrol. nothing compared to like what we saw a couple of weeks ago when we saw upwards of around 15,000, mostly haitian nationals crossing in. some sources here at the border tell us at this point when it comes to another one of those large surges, it's not if, but when and while the one we saw in del rio sector happened a few weeks ago, it could happen anywhere along the u.s.-mexico border. a new biden immigration directive will likely change who and how many migrants will

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>> what do you think your father would say about where we go next, that we still have robust to date for sure, but that we probably keep it in perspective. what do you think? >> yeah, i think that's right.

he, again, he never thought that because he and justice ginsburg were friends they should pull their punches in their opinions, but they were-- when they disagreed with each other in their opinions, they made it clear, it wasn't personal though, they attacked each other's ideas and i think that's how they were able to maintain that friendship despite all the disagreement and you know, in the months ahead i hope we're able to keep that same kind of perspective. we need to have a pretty robust discussion about what's ahead of us, but we need to keep the perspective of the fact that we're -- for the most part all care about what the fate of the country and we have a lot in common in spite of the differences we're going to be expressing. neil: all right. i don't know if you figured that out, but that's the late supreme court antonin scalia's

son. and across the aisle, that they're not a jerk, in the highest court in the land. and we live in the times and the last 25 years that i've been studying and watching at this network, but what's interesting here, how it applies to what's going on now with these vaccine mandates, where a number of states are demanding that workers get vaccinated or else. now, you can hear that coming from companies, but when states can turn on their own public workers as in massachusetts right now where they're telling all troopers to get vaccinated in new york, all teachers to get vaccinated. and some might not want to go along. a number of troopers say, no, and it's forced down our throats. and joining us now the massachusetts state police

association president, sergeant, thank you for taking the time now. a lot of of your men and women are saying, no, no, no, this is our call, it's not your call. and they're willing to resign their jobs over it? >> that's exactly correct, neil. you know, i've been travelling the state speaking with my members, and we have many members looking for reasonable alternatives offered within the municipal departments in the state of massachusetts. some of my members that i've heard from are pregnant and child bearing age and choose not to receive the vaccine and others of seeking religious exemptions and medical exemptions, and the states have not provided reasonable accommodation to those who may or may not be granted these exemptions. we're looking at dozens of troopers forced unfortunately into retirements resignation or termination coming up on october 18th. neil: those who just want to quit, will they be penalized? you talk about retirement,

rewill retirement packages will be removed? >> and those with the pension, but others that seek termination or separate from service, could, in fact, be punished and with the post commission here in the state of massachusetts, there will be additional penalties that trying to avoid. if a trooper wants to leave-- and i don't want to lose anybody, i just want them to have reasonable accommodations. we don't want to see additional impacts on them as they try to go to a local or a city department within the state of massachusetts. neil: you've probably heard, sergeant, though those who push the mandates whether they're deemed to be legal or not, say saying the proof is in the declining case pudding, that we're seeing cases subside, hospitalizations, deaths subside, including in

massachusetts. what do you say to them? >> well, i would say the proof is in the pudding with our membership. they're probably 85% vaccinated today, and there are certain instances, folks, not just troopers, citizens alike should have alternate means to not get this shot and we're fighting for them. >> got it. sergeant, please keep us posted on this, we appreciate having the service to your people. the massachusetts state police association president. we told you at the beginning of each hour here on this show today about what's going on in washington or more to the point, what's not going on, one thing that does seem inevitable between the infrastructure package itself. the latter one, the one the source of this controversy, will likely go down, maybe significantly. does that mean that the tax hikes to pay for it would get ratcheted down significantly?

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>> markets started the month and usually the scary month of october in a bullish way. the dow jones industrials 500 points and the nasdaq, and the s&p 500. to hear some tell it it had to do with the disarray m washington and get in the logic of the steep spending packages and tax hikes to go with them,

they may be delayed or denied. frankly, i think it had to do with the promising developments of the vaccine on the virus front. having said that, it's the price of the big human infrastructure goes down then the tax toss pay for them goes down. and austan goolsbee on this, to you first, do you think it's inevitable that the price of the package goes down, maybe tax hikes to pay for it goes down? >> i think, you've already seen that at work a bit. they were fighting about the step-up bases and closing the loophole on capital gains taxes and they got rid of that. you see joe manchin saying that they want the corporate tax rate to not go up as high as it

was. i think on high income people going back to the rates that were there before trump, i don't see that one going away, but i think you're right that several of the tax increases, they won't need it if the bill were smaller. neil: and there's the timing of things. they could make it retroactive, that's happened in states like new jersey and others with the wealthiest residents, they can do that. but if it's delayed to 2022, then what? what do you think? >> well, if it's delayed to 2022, it's an interesting prospect. do you really want to raise taxes in an election year? so, i had been of the opinion for a long time that if these bills are going to go through, it's going to go through in 2021 to give those that are running in congress some time to move away from tax

increases, in some of the popularity that's is out of there taxing the rich and taxing corporations, there is a cause and effect to that. when you start taxing people more or taxing corporations more, there's a reaction, and the everyday american that middle america, they're not excluded from being impacted by those things which ultimately means prices of things go up. jobs potentially go down. so we have to keep in mind that everything is cause and effect with this. >> aaron, one of the things that's happened, we've got acknowledgment on the part of injure recommend powell, the senator reserve chairman, get out as more traction even than i thought. so, what is your view on how the inflation and in some republicans, particularly, pounce on these packages as being very inflationary.

that's why the quid pro quo there, but, is it your sense that this inflation been having, sticks around for a while, maybe for a long wall. >> and i think a couple of quarters, it's going to take a little longer than that, if you want to call it transitory and it lasts two years, depends on your definition if it's here to stay for transitory. if inflation is here to stay it means the dead we're-- the debt we're taking it a more expensive. spending more money means it's going to cost us more money with the higher interest rates. so that's going to be a burden on all of us and we're going to have to pay for those and that means more tax hikes unless we keep the economy going, so, it's definitely a concern that we're talking about spending so much money as interest rates

are rising. >> do you think, austan, when you were working with barack obama, many said he's a moderate compared to his former vice-president, now president joe biden? do you think feel like he's showing, barack-- joe biden, i apologize, far more progressive leanings than we ever imagined? >> i don't know if i see it that way. joe biden ran for president saying specifically what he wanted to do. it's this, if you go back and get the campaign materials, when he was running in 2020 -- in the election, he specifically said that he was going to do this build back better agenda. he specified exactly what taxes he thought should go up and what investment had been neglected and he won by seven million votes so i'm a little priced. neil: a $3 1/2 trillion price tag to it, maybe i miss it had,

but. >> he did. neil: it's now progressive and together. you're not surprised by anything you see? >> i'm not really surprised. i am only surprised that the opposition to a guy runs for president says i want to do a, b, and c, wins the white house, wins the congress, wins the senate, proposes a, b and c and then people say how dare he come up with that. this is-- this was his program, what he said he was going to do. >> dan, it feels like this is more bernie sanders' program, closer to what bernie sanders advocated than what joe biden did, but your thoughts? >> my thoughts are this, neil. that when i was saying, when joe biden was talking about that he was going to raise taxes, i was telling people, believe him. he's going to raise taxes. what i said was, where we have to question it is that it's only going to be contained to

the wealthy and to corporations. i believe, still believe that this-- these tax increases which are certainly coming in some form, are going to impact more than those that are just wealthy and large corporations. neil: we shall see, guys, thank you very, very much. we're keeping a close eye on developments in washington and the president is on the phone we're told talking to the principal players, advocating for both of the packages and the infrastructure and the far larger spending package isn't giving up hope, maybe this year. stay with us. >> my name is brit hume, i've been with fox the first day 1997. when we got started, many people didn't think we would succeed. we didn't have a big budget, but there was a fighting spirit that was contagious. >> i did not have sexual

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>> the tranl story is not unique. the people of afghanistan are suffering. half of the population relies on international assistance to survive. and with the taliban in control, many of the traditional pathways are shut and hospitals are running out of supplies to treat these vulnerable little kids. here at children's hospital in the afghan capital of kabul, kids are treated for malnutrition, just last month five died here waiting for international aid to arrive. >> we need a lot of help. we only have a small amount of supplies for kids, but a lot of patients. week only take in emergency cases. >> i think the images there speak for themselves. i think the images speak for themselves. u.n.i.c.e.f. is warning that the afghan people are on track to see one million children face starvation here alone, neil. neil: incredible. trey, thank you very much. my friend trey in kabul with the latest there and give an

update on the latest on the washington front here of that seems to have sort of drawn back nancy pelosi. was she surprised by the president's stance essentially saying, the two bills together or no bill at all? after this.

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you might be shocked that food played a dominant scene year in and year out on the 25 years that fox news channel existed and i've been here from the beginning, you get a lot of free food. something to chew on right now is what is going on in washington. you see what i did there? and having a food fight not so much republicans and democrats, but democrats against democrats, moderate democrats against progressive democrats and they say spoil the party and they called a lay-up win on infrastructure only. combined, joined at the hip with a pricier package that might mean neither gets done. from clear politics, with us right now. they are working and trying to make sure they both get done and what are you hearing? >> i think what's interesting

is that the white house legislative affairs team they just experienced their first brush with reality and the lesson they're going into this weekend with, is that progressives in the house are just as entrenched as democratic moderates in the senate are. and basically, what progressives were able to accomplish, they were able to scuttle the infrastructure bill that was massively popular and had bipartisan support, in order to get the administration to agree to continue to couple that actual physical infrastructure bill with the human infrastructure bill because the fear was that one would pass and the other with language. so progressives are going into this weekend, and they're eager to sort of continue to flex these muscles and now the white house knows that they have to deal with these progressives in the house as seriously as they would deal with someone sinema or senator manchin in the

senate. neil: and henry cuellar who was on, said that nancy pelosi should have called progressives bluffs, that there were many more progressives out there who would have when push comes to shove would have voted for the package and enough republicans it would have passed. instead, the president or she or both, buckled to these progressives. he wasn't happy. what do you think of that? >> well, maybe that's because it might be speaker pelosi's last hurrah. she's made clear she's not going to be speaker in the next congress. perhaps she wants this to be a massive send-off here, but i think what is interesting is that while progressives are celebrating, while they're very excited they were able to get some negotiating wiggle room here, the fact of the matter is, that in that democratic caucus meeting, president biden told them that the ultimate

number for the human infrastructure bill was going to have come down further. it wasn't 3.5 trillion maybe in the 2 trillion neighborhood. and it's interesting that we consider that small, these are still massive numbers. that could be a bitter pill for the progressives to swallow. and i'm not sure that pelosi sees it as defeat, but in the end they might have to swallow a bitter pill. remember, progressives have been saying 3.5 isn't enough for the human infrastructure bill we came down from 6 trillion. and they might find they're settling for another number if they were ever serious and weren't just negotiating from the beginning. neil: or if we can believe the final numbers, there are ways to make it look like cheaper and it's not really cheaper. we'll watch that, phil wegman, thank you very much. we'll follow that debate and

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>> mr. president, what is your message to moderates who your frustrated with delay in the vote? >> everybody is frustrated, that's part of being in government. >> president biden this morning on his way to wilmington, addressing the tension between moderates and progressive, inside his own party all over trillions in new spending. welcome to fox news,