a nation in crisis based on my new book. president grant the fragile union and the crisis of 1876. comes out tuesday this program will also be available on fox nation starting this weekend. and this weekend house minority whip steve scalise will be the guest on "fox news sunday" along with an exclusive interview with democrat delaware senator chris coons. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and unafraid. "fox news primetime" with ben domenech starts right now. hey, ben. >> ben: thank you, bret. good evening and welcome to "fox news primetime." ♪ ♪ >> ben: for the past half century, the united states of america has dominated the category no one would ever want to own. we have, as a nation, one of the most radical abortion regimes in the world. it might surprise to you for this. you certainly won't hear it from anyone on any other network. but that supposedly extreme mississippi law headed for the supreme court which would block most abortions after 15 weeks

would be right at home in europe when all those nations the left wants to emulate and other areas of policy like france and sweden ban abortion. in fact, all the countries you see on your screen ban elective abortion at 12 weeks. none of them have what america effectively has in many states abortion up to the point of birth. for that, you have to look at our moral equals in nations like china or north korea. why is it that america has persisted in this extreme regime even as the rest of the world woke up to the moral reality of what abortion does to families and societies. it's a complicated story but it's also very simple, really. many of us have been willing to look the other way in a vast industry of powerful forces in our country have worked very hard to make sure that we do. understand there is no more important single issue today to the left than the issue of abortion. it is an item of faith they are wedded to stronger than any religious conviction. if you have ever been taken aback by the vitriol violence

and false accusations leveled against any who challenge abortion you will know what i'm talking about. the kind that makes a young woman spit on an elderly priest. it's safer to sack cringe in a threeddle than abortion rallies. place yourself at odds not just with the most powerful activist groupings and donors, to take on the woke corporatist and hollywood and our corrupt media and big tech well, just about everybody with power in america today. since the moment roe v. wade short circuited the legal conversation about abortion the pro-abortion left has worked to gaslight the country into believing things that just aren't true. they pretended they wanted abortions to be rare. they claimed they didn't profit from them. they denied they sold organs. they refused to acknowledge the science of what we know about unborn babies. unknown to the authors of roe by the way. the ignored the terrible and tragic impact on the poorest and most vulnerable families and on

the black family in particular. more black families are aborted than born in new york city every year and that's fine with them. they also did everything they could to build up men like bill clinton and andrew cuomo because the abortion agenda is always more important. why do you think joe biden flipped on the hyde amendment and taxpayer funded abortions after an entire career of saying he believed the opposite? every sunday his head bowed in his church he knows who runs the left. he wanted to be president and he was willing to make a deal to do it. and in every aspect of this effort, the pro-abortion left has had the strong advocacy of a media that has displayed more corruption on this topic than, perhaps, any other. if you watch abc, nbc, or cbs today, pro-life women simply do not exist. the media's coverage of this issue is intis distinguishable from planned parenthood press releases and journalists covering it not just universally pro-choice but obviously pro-abortion. but now at long last, something is happening. the energy in the pro-life movement is like nothing we have ever seen before.

abortion is no longer accepted as an unobjectionable good. the shout your abortion movement where women are encouraged by the abortion lobby to boast about kill their children comes across as desperate and sad. decades of ultrasound pictures on refrigerators and women brave enough to talk about miscarriage and loss have a way of changing minds. when iceland says they have eradicated down syndrome good people cringe because we know what that really means. >> i am a man. see me as a human being. not a birth defect. not a syndrome. i don't need to be irradicated. i don't need to be cured. >> ben: when naive evidentists regularly suggest that pro-lifers like children so much, maybe we should force the dads to pay child support for unborn babies. our response is your terms are acceptable. there is today renewed hope among those who believe every

unborn baby has a right to life, that the supreme court may at long last we open the significant question for us to decide as citizens and states instead of leaving the deepest moral question of life and death to nine people in robes. tonight i'm going to be talking to a number of heroic pro-life women who brought us to this moment. their determined work in law and politics and culture is absolutely the reason we are at this point so many of us despaired and once thought impossible. they have taken on the goliath of the abortion industry and all its vile works with fearless dedication to be a voice for the voiceless. much of the discussion around abortion is about the law. and, of course, we will talk about that tonight. but there is another law i want you to consider as you listen and that is the law written on your hearts. back in 1933, long before roe, whitaker chambers was working as a soviet agent when his wife found out she was pregnant. despite the initial joy both knew such things were not

possible. wife went to see a doctor make arrangements. when she came back she was quiet and noncommittal it slowly dawned on chambers she wanted to keep the child. he asked her he's writes in his autobiography witness my wife came over to me took my hands and burst into tears. dear heart she said in a pleading voice, we couldn't do that awful thing to a little baby not little baby dear heart. a reason, the agony of my family the communist communist theories, the wars of revolutions for 20th century crumbled at the touch of a child. what we are discussing tonight is the most fundamental question for us, whether the unborn lives that take root here in america are unique persons with the right to draw breath and blossom or whether they are nonpersons, lives unworthy of life, human weeds as planned parenthood margaret sanger called them whose destruction is a public good. the mission that tells us to

destroy a life is to destroy a whole world. the worlds that would have been with that life meant. look to heart, you know this to be true. i'm ben domenech and this is the american crisis. >> ben: here with me tonight is carrie severino from the judicial crisis network. carrie, thank you so much for joining me this evening. >> thank you for having me here, ben. >> ben: i want to right you right off the bat to give us perspective what's going on when it comes to the law before the courts. we have heard the left's side of this in all major media over the past several months. what's the truth about what is going on? >> yeah, well, so the supreme court has before it this term probably the most consequential case in the abortion arena that is considered at least for 30 years when they considered

planned parenthood vs. casey in 1991. the mississippi case you alluded to before is really challenging roe v. wade head on because under the roe and casey framework, no limitation of abortion, no elimination of abortion after it is allowed until after viability. it's very clear that 15 weeks while as you said relatively late in pregnancy. already into the second trimester, later than most european countries would permit abortion clearly violating roe. the justices have a real decision in front of them. they have to either choose to follow a precedent that even pro-choice commentators at the time acknowledged this is actually not very good law. it's not based on the constitution it's not -- it doesn't follow a legal procedure to get to where it does. and, or they have a choice to look at what the constitution actually says about abortion. which is precisely nothing. it does not allow for -- it does not have a right to abortion written in it. so originalists like the

majority of the court is, you have to decide if you are going to to follow the original understanding of the constitution, there is kind of an open and shut question no other direction you go. it's going to be exciting in december to sees a the court grapples with this question in oral argument which direction it looks like it will go. >> ben: there is certainly a number of people who over the years have made the argument that the way to approach this problem was to go through the courts. and conservatives, pro-life conservatives have, more for the most part gone along with that there are a lot of expectations though now built in. and this could go either way. it could go in a lot of different directions. what are you saying to those who, i'm sure, asking you every day on a daily basis what can we expect how do you think things are going go and what are the tea leaves, if any, that you can read from this current makeup of the court about the potential there? >> well, look, i am very happy that this case is coming before the court before the supreme court when we have originalists now how it would have looked

even two years ago, five years ago, 10 years ago, it would have been a very different picture. so i think we have more cause for optimism now than any other time. but, you know, i'm not sure, this is not an issue that really should be decided in the courts. that's the real question here. should courts be the one making this decision? the constitution has certain things that it protects and the courts are there to defend those. they are not there important to the constitution their own belief what they believe in america. that's the job of the legislature is to say beyond what our constitutional baseline is, what do we want our law to look like. that's something that might change over time. that's something that's going to look different. each of the different 50 states. that's not something that the constitution dictates in this case. it's not something the court should be doing. so i think the way to address this issue is to get the courts out of it. would take down the temperature on the politics of our supreme court nomination. and it would put it back where it belongs constitutionally to the american people. that's not a full-out win for the pro-life movement, either.

you are going to have range of options anything from texas and georgia on one hand to new york and california allowing abortion basically up until the moment of birth. so, you see a range. and then the pro-life movement has its work cut out for it to try to change the culture as they have been working on for the last 50 years. >> ben: you mentioned the temperature around judicial nominations. the temperature around the potential oral arguments here and everything else that comes after that is obviously going to be extremely heated. in terms of that shifting anything in the reaction of the justices, they are human beings, too. are you at all concerned that the kind of threats, the kind of potential, you know, outrage over this is going to lead the court into trying to find some different direction, trying to find some half measure in order to avoid that conflict. >> yeah we know the courts would always rather decide things on narrow grounds if they could.

>> the challenge in this case either have a choice of following what the constitution says and saying there is no right to abortion there. let's let the states decide. or they are going to have to basically make up a new standard that's not in the constitution or anywhere else. that's not an option i would hope that the originalists in the court would be comfortable making. that said, you are right. there is an incredible amount of intimidation, threats being leveled against the court. you remember the last time the court considered an abortion case the june medical case a couple years ago we had senator schumer on the steps of the court waiving his fists at the justices saying you are not going to hit you calling them out by name. that's outrageous people threatening to pack the court. the justices are sensitive to that they realize that would be destroying the court as an institution. and i think even the various dras democratic senators and threatening it realized it would. they are just willing to play that kind of hard ball because they are so bent on controlling the outcome and not allowing the court to make an independent decision based on the law. >> ben: thank you so much for

taking the time to join me tonight, carrie. >> thanks, ben. >> ben: joining me now is tennessee senator marsha blackburn. thanks so much for taking the time to join me tonight. senator. i know that you are someone who is very familiar with the battle that's played out in recent years over abortion politics. you have been a key member of the senate during multiple judicial classes. why are you and so many other pro-life women feeling optimistic in this moment about the potential for a really life-changing and generation altering reaction by the court to some of the cases that we see moving forward? >> um-huh. yeah. ben, thank you so much. you know, one of the things that we are seeing this time around is that science is on our side. and, of course, the mississippi case is the biggest case that has gone to the supreme court in 30 years. and what it would do is move forward that date looking at

viability. challenging that constitutional right. i think that mississippi is well-prepared for this case and science is on our side. when you look at when a baby can approach when you can hear the heart beat of an unborn child, so, yes, indeed, we are optimistic. >> ben: i know this is going to be a challenge in terms of arguing this case and proceeding forward and i know that your friends with the attorney general of mississippi. tell us a little bit about the approach that they are taking. >> yes, i think that they have done this well. they have handled it all in-house. and mississippi's attorney general lynn fitch is very well-schooled in this. she, in her challenge to the court, she asked for a revisit of that constitutional right to an abortion, which, of course, leads to you roe v. wade.

the other thing that i think provides so many americans optimism on this is that there have been 76 amicus briefs filed in favor of the mississippi lawsuit. and then, also, the other thing is that when you look at polling at large, only 29% of the american people favor abortion after you get past that first trimester. so, this is something that, as i said, science is on our side. public opinion is on our side. and it is leading people to re-think this. >> ben: one of the things that's been so astonishing that played out in america over the last couple of decades is the total cultural shift on this issue into a mono partisan affair. it seems like every pro-life democrat or any democrat had moderation in this issue has been driven out of the party.

we saw this week the hyde amendment being a major issue in part of the negotiations over infrastructure and reconciliation and the like. do you think that we have really had a situation here where one party is becoming increasingly extreme because of the loud voices on the pro-abortion left? >> i think you are precisely correct on that. i have so many friends who are now grandmothers. and they talk about how they once were in favor of abortion but now, because of seeing those ultrasounds, hearing those heart beats, they are beginning to say no, we can't do that and when you look at the shift that has taken place, you have seen people that were moderate democrats who now classify themselves as independents because they are no longer pro-abortion. and they feel like there should be restrictions that would bring

the u.s. in line with other nations when it comes to limiting the availability of abortion. >> ben: you know, senator, this is one of those issues where it's taken a lot of women, a lot of time, in terms of their efforts in politics to stand up on this issue, to push forward in the courts and to make their voices heard, the media likes to pretend the pro-life women don't exist but you are one of the examples that has been critical to this fight. >> you are right. >> ben: thank you, senator. coming up, democrats can't seem to agree on anything. why an abortion debate may be the latest item to grind joe biden's radical agenda to a screeching halt. liz wheeler and rachel campos-duffy are next. ♪

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>> ben: democrats can't get their act together when it comes to biden's radical spending bill. they are at odds with the numbers. the pet projects and now they are arguing over the inclusion of the hyde amendment. this includes federal funding for abortions and senator joe manchin wants it in the bill. members of his own party want it gone for good. joining me now to react "fox & friends weekend" co-host rachel campos-duffy and liz wheeler host of the liz wheeler show. liz, the hyde amendment used to be something that was an agreed upon thing. it had bipartisan support. it was included whenever you were sending these things out and democrats would run on saying well i'm personally have certain views on abortion but i don't think we should use your money to fund it. what changed? >> well, the radical left, aoc, the squad came in and changed the democratic party as you know. i mean the hyde amendment, as you mentioned, the hyde amendment used to be an a

nonpartisan bipartisan thing when it was introduced by henry hyde. i think there were 100 democrats who supported it at that time. and, listen, this is something that represents the majority of the country. the hyde amendment is estimated to have saved 2.5 million unborn children from abortion. precious babies have been saved. this is not something that is a democratic issue vs. a republican issue when you ask the voters. it's only that partisan in washington, d.c. there is a new poll that says that 58% of the american people do not want taxpayer money used to pay for abortion. only 38% of americans want that. that's a huge divide, ben. a huge divide. and that divide actually accurately reflects the popular opinion on abortion itself. the vast majority of the american people want restrictions on abortion. 80% of people, both pro-abortion and pro-life think abortion should be legal in the third trimester. 60% of people think abortion should be legal in the second trimester because abortion is a

brutal, gruesome procedure that not only ends the life of unborn child but harms women, too. the democrats are ignoring their constituents in the interest of their own political agenda. >> ben: you know, rachel, you are familiar, of course, i'm sure with many pro-life democrats from union households, catholic households across the country who nonetheless have voted for democrats over the years and, yet, they have done so during this great cultural sort where all of the pro-life democrats that we used to be familiar with have been pushed out of the party that they don't have a place to go anymore. it's astounding the numbers that liz quoted are accurate how much that doesn't represent their own constituency. >> yeah, the biden administration is the most radical pro-abortion administration in u.s. history. and they are totally out of step. joe manchin is actually doing a favor to the party by trying to bring them a little bit instep. but our country is divided and our country is divided on this moral issue for the same reason our country was divided over

slavery. any time that you have people who are powerful, who want to profit out of decide hog is sufficiently human enough to live, you know, you can do anything you want to somebody once you decide they are not sufficiently human. we had this cultural debate in the 1800s. we are having it now. and thanks to technology, as senator blackburn talked about, the pro-abortion side is losing because millions of women and, frankly, their children, their children who are alive are meeting their siblings in utero because those images are so clear. they are so profound. they cannot be argued with. and the radical abortionists on the other side, the pro-abortionists they look so delusional. they look so antiquated as they cling to these 1970 notions of fetal development. i mean, you just cannot -- i can tell you, ben, the ultrasound

that i saw with my oldest ivette ultrasound i saw with my youngest 2 years old. it's night and day. i could see musculature and fingernails so clearly. her little cheeks looked exactly the same as they did now in utero with last baby. technology is on our side and we are winning this debate not for religious reasons. our country is not becoming more religious or secular. technology is actually bolstering this argument for pro-lifers and we are winning on that. >> ben: liz, real quick, you have seen this happen in your own generation. have you seen the shifts that have happened there, despite the dominant hypes of hollywood and their like being owned by the pro-abortion side. why do you think that resistance has happened? >> yeah, i think, rachel is absolutely correct. we are the refrigerator door we grew up seeing ultrasound pictures of our brothers and citiesers on the that sound

door. i was six weeks pregnant with my daughter hearing the heart beat it's life changing. we started talking about the reality of what abortion is. what the procedure actually does, whether it's first trimester abortion that poisons the baby. whether it's second or third trimester abortion rips the baby apart limb by limb, poisoned the lethal injection to the heart to stop that the heart beat. when people realize what that gruesome abortion is they cannot help but recognize atrocity committing against fellow human beings even if they are in the womb. >> yeah, absolutely. >> ben: liz and rachel, thanks for joining me this evening. >> thanks, i appreciate it. >> ben: big tech attempts to silence conservatives why google is saying thanks but no thanks to pro-life group's ad buy. ♪ ♪ you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future for those you love.

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>> ben: last year google made $145 billion in ad revenue.

if you are pro-life they don't want your money. ads censored by google on the grounds they made unproved medical claims. lila rose ads were censored and author of "fighting for life" and catherine glenn foster president of americans united for life. thank you for joining me. lila, first to you, i understand this ad is one aspect of this. isn't this part of a whole approach by big tech behemoglobin moths to basically clamp down anything that runs afew of the pro-abortion agenda. >> you are the right, ben. this isn't the first time we have been censored. banned from triesing on twitter. planned parenthood and abortionists advertising on twitter. banned from pinterest. abortionists are advertising on pinterest. google, this is absolutely unprecedented what google has chosen to do. they have removed all ads that promote the life-saving hormone

progesterone fda approved help counter act the abortion pill and save lives. it saved 25 you, hundred babies being killed by abortion pills when their mothers chose to get this treatment. now we cannot on behalf of pro-life doctors help promote the hotline that would connect women to the life-saving care that makes it possible to reverse the abortion pill in some cases. instead, google is allowing abortionists, again, to advertise. so the bias, the pro-abortion ideological bias is insane in big tech right now. and it should concern everyone regardless of your position on abortion because if you really care about choice, you would want women to have the choice for life, which is what we are trying to provide. >> ben: catherine, i know you have been making these arguments for a long time and that you are very familiar with the forces that are arrayed against you. are you surprised at the willingness of so many people on this issue to continue to the fight despite the fact that there is this pro-abortion

behemoth all these different giants, hollywood, not just the leftist activists but everyone that they're able to bring along in their cause, their donor base, et cetera, that is arrayed against them? >> we have monopoly corporations who are dominating american values and are trying to enforce their values and their corporate culture on everyday americans and try to supplant the values of every day americans. it's not at all surprising that they are continuing to try to do this. even as we see polling as we see americans asking, begging for more information for the truth about abortion, about abortion law, about all of these social issues that impact our everyday lives. but, they are continuing to do this. and it's not only happening at the upper level at the policy level of these big corporations, your google, facebook, twitter, big tech, but it's also

happening with sometimes these rogue employees who are able to go in and deplatform or in other ways impact the information the media that we are getting into our homes. >> ben: i think you are both, i'm sure, familiar with the work of david and the way that his reporting was met with just every attempt to try to silence and downgrade it lila, tell me, what, in terms of the pushback that pro-lifers can do, from their own work from, their own social media accounts, to the degree that they can within their communities, what is the approach that you recommend to people to take in this time as we are waiting to see what the court will ultimately do? >> well, the good news is the truth and just the beauty of life is on our side. and, you know, fighting for mothers and their children. families and their children. so the work that one person can do in sharing facts through social media and getting involved with local pregnancy resource center. live action 5 million people connected with sharing content and changing hearts every day.

keep sharing it and speaking out. your message does make a difference. people's hearts and minds do change on abortion when they get the facts, when they get the information about fetal development, about the violence of abortion. so, despite big media, big tech, the political forces arrayed against the pro-life movement. the movement is growing. texas' heartbeat bill more americans supported it, according to the polling than opposed it. you wouldn't have believed it looking at the news headlines but more americans support these laws than oppose them. keep speaking out and we will keep growing the movement. >> ben: catherine, i know at aul you do a lot of work at the state level. do you see state representatives and senators and people in positions there to continue this fight and push back against this dominant regime? >> state representatives are answering to the american people or answering to their constituents. and they are passing more and more pro-life laws than ever before. in fact, to the point where the

gute milwaukeeer institute pro-abortion research group. they called 20221 the most anti-abortion state legislative year ever. which means what we're doing is winning the battles in those states and those state houses, in the hearts and the minds of the american public. we are passing more pro-life laws that are going to protect women, mothers, and children in the womb once they are born than we have ever passed before, and it is just truly an exciting time as the conversation on abortion continues to grow and build as the truth on abortion continues to come out, even despite the censorship of big tech. we know what they are up to. we see through it. and we are going to continue to push them on that. we are going to continue to seek out the truth and the real information on our own. and as we are continuing to see everyday americans do exactly what lila just shared, reach out, work with your pregnancy center. maybe even testify at the state

house. go sidewalk counsel. all of the different ways that we can in our own small way impact the process and impact the lives of women and children all around us who are going to continue to build our communities. >> ben: catherine and lila, thank you so much for joining me this evening. >> thank you so much, ben. >> pleasure. >> black lives don't matter to planned parenthood. find out why after the break. ♪ ♪ what makes new salonpas arthritis gel so good for arthritis pain? salonpas contains the most prescribed topical pain relief ingredient. it's clinically proven, reduces inflammation and comes in original prescription strength. salonpas. it's good medicine.

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vulnerable to the arguments being made that you can't have a baby right now. you can't afford to take care of it. trying to take that shortcut as a way out. what is your response to that argument when you hear it and what do you say when you go into these communities to try to convince people who are considering abortion otherwise? >> first of all, killing the poor is not a solution to poverty. number one. and i hear so many arguments made for why black women need access to abortion so that they can rise above poverty. that's just a lie. and i go in the community and we know look, the plaque community is some not abortion loving community no matter how much the abortion industry tries to put a black face on their advertisement. we cherish our families. we want to have living wages to be able to support our families. and what these women need and men is encouragement and support. and guy in and offer that in the community and oftentimes that's just what people need hear is that you can do this. and we are here to support you with that through the birth and even after with any kind of

material support and friendship that you would need. but, again, killing the poor is not a solution to poverty. >> ben: christina, i know similar question to you. i know that you are someone who goes into a lot of these communities and makes a lot of these arguments to people who are weighing these heavy options on their minds. people who, you know, aren't part of this vast pro-abortion lobby. what do you tell them. how do you use your story to reach out to them? >> i love to tell my personal story. and my story is that my mother walks out of her abortion appointment in hartford connecticut at mount sinai hospital. it was because a janitor talked to her when she was in the hallway in a hospital robe about to have an abortion and she told her god would give her the strength to have me. the abortion doctor, he told her that she had already paid for the procedure and she needed to stay. but she ran out and saved my life. and i would love to tell my story because it really puts a personal face to the issue of abortion. because oftentimes with abortion

we're trying -- people are trying to devalue and dehumanize the unborn. and i like to tell my story so people can connect with the reality that i am a human being and i was in the womb as well. >> ben: um-huh. gloria, you talked about the way that the abortion industry tries to manipulate the way people think about this. from their perspective, they would rather that voices like yours simply not exist. >> yeah. yeah, they would. and too bad for them i do and i'm loud about it and i encourage people. look, what we are proposing to people is a way to love themselves, to love their children, to have bonds between a father and mother and the baby. abortion puts forward, actually, that there is something inherently defective about women because we can become pregnant and have children. i reject that argument. there is nothing wrong with women. in fact, i choose i support a woman's right to be born. and i think the more that we challenge a lot of the premises that abortion puts forward about

women, i think the more that we will see that abortion itself is very antiwoman and it forecloses any real authentic discussion on authentic women's rights. how do we have an economy that is inclusive of women who are pregnant and mothering? how do we build businesses, education, a culture that welcomes women in all these stages of our lives rather than foreclosing the conversation by saying hey, you have abortion. that's your solution. that's your means to wealth. that's your way to real justice. it's just simply not true. abortion teaches men that violence against women and their unborn children is okay. and that is precisely against what we as women want for how we should be treated and how men should be taught to treat us. >> ben: gloria and christina, i want to thank you both for the work that you have done we would not be at this point curly without voices like yours. thank you for joining me tonight. coming up on "fox news primetime," former nfl star

benjamin watson stands up for the unborn and examines the divided hearts of america in his new documentary. don't go anywhere. ♪ ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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♪ ♪ >> ben: the pro-life movement has gained allies and advocates from all walks of life. from politicians to everyday americans to even famed football stars. you may know benjamin monson as a super bowl champion with the patriots, but streaming now on fox nation's his documentary "divided hearts of america" where he uncovers the truth about abortion. >> where the first country in the history of the world that is founded on the vision of the human person and that vision is that every human being has an incomparable dignity. but from the beginning we have had denial. the 14th amendment to deny the dignity of a child in the womb. >> find a lot of pro-abortion

people always talking about it. they don't want to personify it. and once we can personify it, it makes a big difference. >> ben: joining me now, coproducer of the film benjamin watson. thank you for joining me this evening. why has this issue been so important in your life in your effort that you wanted to make this documentary? >> it was really important because i am what some people would call pro-justice, and for me, justice protects the vulnerable. it protects people who need protection. it protects those who are unable to protect themselves. when i think about the unborn child i can think of no other group that needs protection as well as their mothers. the whole purpose of the documentary was abortion is something that runs very, very deep. nothing except for -- brings us much emotional response but during the debate i wanted to bring a sense of understanding

and humanity of people on different sides of this issue. >> ben: that is so critical about this because the forces that are involved in maintaining the current abortion regime are so interested in keeping that divide going and keeping us from being able to talk to each other as human beings. they only want the mob and mass on either side, they only want to demonize. what were some of the things you learned in talking to the different people that you did? anything that really surprised to you that you came across as you were making this documentary? >> i talked to 30 different people from different walks of life. i talked to politicians, people in faith, people in medicine, even people who had survived abortions. i spoke to a woman who engineered the reproductive health act in new york. what i realized is how many people think they are doing the right thing. it's not that the people on the other side hate others. they just may be misguided. when i found also a 75% of women

would prefer to parent if their circumstances were different. some of the work i do with human coalition addresses those issues through direct service but also through advocacy. i was interviewing people around america, interviewing people who had had abortions bear the number one thing they said is i would love to parent, but whether it was relational, housing, employment, whatever it was, those issues needed to be addressed. as a community of people who want to protect life and serve women, our question is how are we going to enter into those walks of life? how are we going to provide those services? not point the finger. how are we going to provide services and protect women but also support their unborn children. >> ben: that degradation, obviously, has come as church groups have continually declined in america over the past couple decades. government has stepped in and in some ways to make up the difference, but there really are people out there making that decision because of that lack of need. what kind of effort, what kind

of things to say to people to communicate that that must be addressed? >> life is the number one issue we are dealing with. we are all image bearers of our creator. life is important. what i would say to people is don't think that your acts are too small. don't think you can't make a difference, whether does your church, whether it is making policy, whether it is serving a woman, adopting a child, we all have a job to play and a job to do. don't think it is too little. but we also need to service as well as advocacy at the state, local and federal level. >> ben: thank you, benjamin, for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> ben: thank you for watching "fox news primetime" this week. don't forget to catch the benjamin edge podcast. i want to thank you in particular for tuning into a show on fox, allowing me to have this show. jesse watters will be hosting

"fox news primetime" all next week and tucker carlson is next. in the meantime, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we are going to do a little something different for the next hour. we are going to try to explain what this country is fighting with itself about. one of the lines that divide us? it's pretty obviously not the old partisan divide the rest of us grew up with. republican versus democrat. we have figured that out now. on the democratic side you see her she had to lead pretty certain she is not on you