"fox news primetime" all next week and tucker carlson is next. in the meantime, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we are going to do a little something different for the next hour. we are going to try to explain what this country is fighting with itself about. one of the lines that divide us? it's pretty obviously not the old partisan divide the rest of us grew up with. republican versus democrat. we have figured that out now. on the democratic side you see her she had to lead pretty certain she is not on your side,

obviously, but then the question is, is mitch mcconnell on your site? an answer as you well know is no, not really. what is the dividing line? it is pretty simple. the people in charge are intent on replacing our free democratic system with an authoritarian system where they don't convince you of anything, they simply make you do things and benefit from that. there are people in this country who are opposed to that. they are antiauthoritarian, and if you look at who we book on this show that may explain why. a lot of former lefties. glenn greenwald is the most obvious and many others. we probably don't agree with these people on a lot of things, are we on the same side on abortion? we've never asked. but one thing we know for certain is that we are totally opposed to authoritarianism, so that really is the divide. people are for an authoritarian america and those for a free america.

it is that simple and once you understand politics through that lens you figure out what is really going on. by the way, looking at polls is an unusually bad way to have understand what is happening. polls are often wrong and when they are wrong they are almost always wrong in the same direction. the last election made that clear. the polling outfit quinnipiac for example, out of college in connecticut predicted joe biden would would make the popular vote by 11 points. it also predicted mitch mcconnell was in top shape in kentucky. posters convince a lot of democratic party donors that they had a real shot of winning the state of texas. in retrospect, all of this was partisan fantasy and it had a purpose. it was all designed to make a mentally decaying senator from delaware look like teddy roosevelt, writing a massive wave of popular support. of course, that was alive. once you understand that, once you recognize what these polls are actually designed to do, they are designed to put democratic party leaders in the

best possible light, it is worth noting when the polls moved in the opposite direction, when they start to reflect badly on the democratic party. that has been happening over the last several weeks. according to quinnipiac, a lively left-wing polestar, joe biden's national approval rating is now 38%. 60% of independents disapprove of what joe biden is doing as president. a new ap poll noted that just 34% of americans are pleased with the direction of the country. it is called the right track, wrong track poll and for the party in power, it is very bad news. this means the very same people who just last year lied to you to your face about how popular joe biden was are now admitting that he is actually the least popular president in modern clinical history. why are they telling you this all of a sudden? why are these reliably democratic pollsters telling democratic voters that their president is unpopular. maybe because they have no choice?

ab there are other reasons? we are not sure. what is absolutely clear is according to a new poll from pew, democratic party voters understand what this means. what it means is in free and fair democratic system, they can't win. if we allocate power based on who is the most popular with the public and that is the basic premise of democracy, the democratic party is in very tough shape. and they know that. and that may be why according to polls, democrats know overwhelmingly want the government to make their political opponents shut up. more than three quarters of democratic party voters want the tech companies to "restrict false information online, even if it limits freedom of information." think about that for a second pair of more than 60% of democratic voters want the federal government "control that flow of information over the internet." all of that contravenes the first amendment, the bill of rights, which is the very core of our system of government and our culture. it is what makes america great.

now the overwhelming majority of democratic voters are against it. that's authoritarianism, there is no other word for it and it's ironic considering for four years prominent democrats told us we were living through a fascist system. donald trump is a fascist. of course, they were describing their own attitudes. so we are going to spend the next hour looking at the rise of authoritarian impulses on the left and try to figure out where those came from and where they are going. none of this is brand-new. you will recall that democratic party politicians have been pushing for censorship for a long time. certainly since trump won in 2016. they blame that victory on facebook. here's ed markey in last october, for example, calling for more censorship. >> the issue is not that the companies before us today are taking too many posts down. the issue is that they are leaving too many dangerous posts up. in fact, amplifying harmful content so that it spreads like

wildfire and tortures our democracy. >> tucker: oh, they are not censoring, enough! because according to these posts, ed markey, who will literally say anything, you should no, are dangerous. but he never explained what was dangerous about them but you got the message. they all did. a few weeks after markey said that, big tech effectively removed the president of the united states from the internet. they silenced them completely and virtually nobody said anything about it. so it didn't stop, it merely accelerated. now the democrats and their allies in the new media have decided to drop all pretense. jonathan shape rates for new york magazine, he is considered smart on the left. one of the weirdest people in journalism today. he published a deeply revealing peace in new york magazine. here's the headline, anybody fighting joe biden is helping terms next coup. all republican politics is now functionally authoritarian. [laughs]

right, because republicans are calling for censorship. so that is how the democratic party is responding to the collapse in poll numbers of their president. they are accusing the other side of authoritarianism while practicing it themselves. right. you will recall that joe biden voters destroyed statues and destroyed our country's biggest cities for more than a year and the lease did nothing about it and our media class applauded. because justice is no longer -- equally, if someone dares to dishonor the legacy of saint george floyd of the hate crime division springs into action. here's an actual quote, on october 3rd, 2021, at approximately 10:15:00 a.m., person on a skateboard through gray paint on the face of a statue of george floyd. information customer contact us! exclamation point.

it is not really hypocrisy anymore, it is -- they are telling you that crimes against their ideas are the only crimes that matter. that attitude has no popular support in this country so you can only enforce it by force using surveillance. and that is exactly the basis on which of the biden administration is proceeding. that is why the information has now given itself the authority to monitor everything that happens, for example, in your private bank account. >> the irs to collect more information and more tax dollars, but more information about bank accounts including annual tax flows. i'm curious whether the irs has the wherewithal to actually do that. >> well, of course they do. and a simple way for the irs to get a sense of where that might be is just a few pieces of information about individuals'

bank accounts. >> tucker: did you see that? the most interesting part of that exchange is not the treasury secretary. she has embraced authoritarianism full-blown. it is the creepy little show from cnbc. the question is not does the irs have the right to snoop into your bank account with no evidence you have done anything wrong. his question is, do they have the wherewithal, do they have the manpower to pull it off. she says of course, where the government, we can do anything. after january 6th, bank of america proactively routed through customers' private financial to find individuals who "met thresholds of interest." they spied on their own customers and like the good east germans they are, they passed those names to the fbi without telling anybody involved. the democratic party approves of this and they want to make certain this kind of invasion of privacy is permanent. it's codified. they want to control your children, the center of your life.

they will destroy anyone who tries to stand in the way of this. bradley keys, for example, we could give you a million from here is just one. keith was a track and field coach at pembroke academy. he was fired because he didn't think it was good for his athletes to have to wear masks as they were playing tennis. watch. >> my goal is to get these mandates removed and is not just track and field, it's tennis, baseball, every outdoor sport. masks will be worn in all times practices and competitions. tennis, wonderful example. single's tennis. watch practice, everyone is wearing masks. competitions, they will be wearing masks even though they are 30 to 60 feet apart on the courts. >> tucker: we are going to tell you what we've told you 1,000 times before. none of this is science. there's not a single study anywhere in the world that suggests kids benefit by wearing masks as they play sports outdoors. in fact, they are hurt by it. that is both common sense and the scientific consensus on the

question. the fact is it is happening anyway, and that is the point. they don't feel the need to justify their decisions with science and in fact they will punish actual scientists who object to these necessary medical mandates. a physician at the university of california, director of the medical ethics program at uc irvine. not a small job. he's just announced the university has "put me on leave." why? for challenging their vaccine mandates in court. oh. it's not a question of whether vaccine mandates help or hurt or are good for public health, it's about power. and anyone who challenges it is crushed. the week or hurt the most profoundly, as always. here's a story we will be telling you a lot more abound in the coming weeks about a woman in colorado who is facing death, stage five renal failure. she has just been denied a kidney transplant. she has a willing donor who has a kidney for her. everything is ready to go. but according to the health

system there, the woman and her donor have not taken the covid shot. the donor explained her vaccination status "does not affect any other transplant on the list." how can i sit here and allow them to murder my friend when i have a perfectly good kidney and i can save your life? that is a good question. no one in the biden administration has bothered to answer or even think about it. instead they are forcing anyone who raises these questions to be quiet. that is not a democratic system. that is an authoritarian system. douglas murray is one of the smartest people we have ever met, takes the long view on anything, best-selling author and he joins us tonight to assess the great divide in american life. great to see you. >> great to see you too, tucker. >> tucker: i'm sure you find yourself in your own life with sympathy toward and making common cause with people who -- anything in the past 20 years and you realize that one thing you have in common is the most important thing, which is you are for a free society and so are they. that does seem like the divide.

>> that is definitely right. i would add one other thing tonight and that is there has been an increasing number of people on the left in america and around the world who are seeing their own political side has gone wrong. they've seen that it's gone off. this is, to my mind, unended business from the 20th century. it's been my profession for a long time saying this, that after the 20th century, we know where the rate can go wrong. we have left and on bothered about business where the left goes wrong, and the left is very clever about this, because whereas the right, it's very obvious, certain people on the far right, ultrabright as some people in america call it , that is where we know the far right goes way wrong. but what about the far left? when it is expected to go wrong

and some people don't agree they do. they think you keep running left in the worst thing you get to his veganism, but if you don't take that view, what you find is all the way along the left, you never get to the gulags. what you get is this amazingly clever dictionary they've got so that, for instance, they talk about equity when they mean discrimination. they talk about fairness when they mean unfairness on an amazing scale. they talk about justice, and they really mean revenge. but it takes a long time for people to see through this, and by the time people have seen through this, we are way down this track. >> tucker: it's interesting that all of a sudden a lot of the debates that we have been having, in my case and in years, that we are really at the center of our professional lives, look almost meaningless compared to

this, the question of can you live in a country where you can follow your own conscious and say what you really think? how is it that we didn't see this coming? >> some people did see it coming. this unfinished business has meant that the left has been able to push an incredibly long way very, very easily and very fast and relatively unresisted. we see it now, historical terms, it seems hilarious to say it but basically, committees on the public safety. you know, called out after the french revolution. these committees on the public safety that effectively exist now that we see around the world, america is not as far down the road as some. we have all seen the footage from australia where you see the police threatening the public down for the public safety. you know, for the public well-being they have to be

bashed around the head by the police wearing masks. somebody said this week the joke that there is a risk in australia about a shortage of hospital beds, people who have been hospitalized by the police for their own good. we are at an extraordinary stage where everything from public health to education and everything else has been just hijacked by this leftist language and not enough people have stood up on the left or anywhere else to say now, we see through this, we know what you're saying. >> tucker: the people who don't stand up are complicit in it. let's be honest, they are cowards and they are allowing this to happen. douglas murray, great man, i appreciate you coming on. >> it was a great pleasure, thank you. >> tucker: we are going to spend the entire hour looking at the central question of our time, the surge of authoritarianism from the left, how it got here, who is being hurt by it. americans with the wrong ideas

are being crushed under the wheels of this movement and there are so many of them. the biden administration to name the most recent example is using the irs to spy on your bank account and every single financial transaction you engage in. they have a right to see all of it, they claim. that is next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: 's of these stories come in every single day and you read them, they are not always written in a very straightforward manner, ap style. this is what is happening today with the biden administration style and you think, wait a minute, that has never happened before, this is a massive departure, this is a new president, this is scary. here's the latest, the biden administration has directed the internal revenue service to dig into and scrutinize every bank account in this country with a balance of more than 600 bucks. that is essentially everybody. not because there is evidence you did anything wrong, but because they are the government, they can do whatever they want. the treasury secretary janet yellen really is responsible for a lot of the economic devastation in this country, says the plan is completely routine. >> do you distrust the american people so much that you need to

know when they bought a couch or a cow? i am astounded by what you're supporting and proposing. i think it is invasive, i think privacy for individuals is getting ignored, and i think treating the american people like they are subjects of the government is unconscionable. >> tucker: all true. on the other hand, what are you going to do about it? nothing. gonzalez is the associate editor at chronicles, magazine of american culture. thank you so much for coming on. the pretext is janet yellen wants to make sure that rich people aren't getting away with tax fraud, which by the way, i am completely for that. but she is a shill for the big banks which makes her personally rich. millions and millions of dollars she has taken from the banks. so this really isn't about making sure that the hedge funds

are jpmorgan pay their fair share, is it? >> no, but basically this is biden asking you for $80 billion to weaponize the irs against you to raise an army of bureaucrats and have them invade your privacy to get more control over your life so they can access the details of your bank account. this doesn't sound like healing and unity to me. i don't know about you, tucker. but like you said, not against using the irs to punish enemies and reward friends. the oligarchs hiding their money in tax havens in delaware and south dakota, the people exploiting cheap illegal immigrant labor, like the kochs. obama did the same thing, he used them to target conservative groups. go ahead. >> tucker: now, please come you keep going. i'm just nodding in agreement >> the funny thing is the irs actually apologized for that in

2017 but now biden is turning the guns again on the little guy and allowing the most powerful and corrupt players to slide and of course they went, they are in his administration but the irs is actually just one head on this monster. attorney general merrick garland has recently instructed the fbi to investigate threats. threats of parents protesting the teaching of critical race theory in public school. in other words, if you don't want your tax dollars to go towards indoctrinating your children into white guilt, you might get flagged as a terrorist threat by the fbi. the federal government has secretly ordered google and other search engines to track and provide data on anyone using certain search terms through so-called keyword warrants. biden has effectively declared war on privacy in middle america. >> tucker: that is what it is. the people who have benefited from our systems for the past 20 years will feel no pain here. >> that's right. >> tucker: pedro gonzales, i appreciate the clarity of your thinking.

thank you. as you heard pedro say, the doj is now targeting parents who have any complaints at all about the lunacy that kids are learning. white people are bad, don't complain or else you are isis-k. but some parents are not afraid. they are fighting back anyway. one will join us as we continue our assessment of the authoritarian surge in the united states of america. that is next.

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♪ ♪ >> welcome to fox news live, i meant to and in los angeles. texas fights back to protect its controversial abortion law. a federal judge suspended it earlier this week. some of the state's abortion clinics resumed normal services today for the first time since early september. the law bans abortions once cardiac activity is detected, that is usually around six weeks and can occur before a woman knows she is pregnant. inoculations for covid-19 are now hitting a three month high.

that averages close to 1 million a day but it is far below the number of shots last spring. the reason for the increase? more seniors are getting boosters and employer mandates are pushing workers to get first doses. demand is expected to spike more in a few weeks if federal regulators give the okay to vaccine elementary school students. i am meant, now back to "tucker carlson tonight." ♪ ♪ >> tucker: the biden administration has now unleashed the most powerful law enforcement apparatus in the world, the u.s. department of justice, against american parents, middle-class parents whose kids go to public school and voiced any opposition whatsoever to the racism now being pushed on their kids. why are they doing this? because it's something called the national school boards association told doj that these parents are domestic terrorist. a recent briefing at the white house, joe biden's chief like apparently agreed with that assessment. watch.

>> does the administration agree that parents upset about their kids curriculums could be considered domestic terrorists? >> let me unravel this a little bit because the national school board association is not a part of the u.s. government. i would point you to them. what the department of justice said in a letter from the attorney general is that threats against public servants are not only illegal, they run counter to our nation's core values. that is true. these were threats against public servants, threats against members of the school board. threats of violence against public servants is illegal. that is what he was conveying from the department of justice. >> tucker: threats and violence are illegal. they are rarely prosecuted if ever when they are committed by loyal democratic voters. that is not the point, the department of justice did not give a single example of violence or justice. these are thought crimes being prosecuted here. apparent and founder of parents -- for education, thank you so much for coming on.

you, basically because you want some say in what your own children are taught by government schools, you have been likened to a domestic terrorist. where does this leave you? >> it leaves me frustrated but not surprised. over the summer, the teachers union signals -- actually, they didn't signal, they said explicitly that they were going to invest money in investigating parent groups so we knew that something like this might be coming and it is clear that school board and school boards are not used to this level of scrutiny. i was on a committee so i can say that this is something new. covid blew the curtain wide open and now parents are expressing concerns over a variety of things and it seems that almost regardless of what it is that they are expressing frustration about, they are mocked, they are dismissed, or they are told that it's going to cost the many thousands of dollars to get the

information they are asking for. so we are obviously very concerned, particularly because it takes a lot of courage for parents to go before school boards and express their thoughts and how they are feeling about what is happening in their children's schools. doesn't come naturally to most people. so we knew this was an attempt to intimidate parents into silence, even though they are not doing anything wrong. >> tucker: no, no. in fact, they're doing what they are required to do his parents which is look out for the best interests of their own children and as citizens, which is speak up to elected officials. when they speak up about the misuse of police powers, reformers pushed for body cams and their argument was if you've got nothing to hide why wouldn't you allow it to be on tape? and that has happened across the country. why don't we have cameras in every single classroom? >> so that is an interesting question and the truth is i still come down on the side against cameras although i certainly understand the impulse for people wanting that to

happen but i take the point about the hypocrisy. the same people that want to defund the police now want to take the fbi on parents and the same people that were for cameras are now saying that parents don't even have a right to see the curricula or materials being seen in schools. >> tucker: it really is a deep question, whose children are they? did they belong to the teachers union or to you? you are a brave person to persevere in the face of this and i appreciate it, i hope you will come back. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: authoritarianism is not new, of course. it is a feature of human nature and has arisen in virtually every government throughout human history. we have kept it at bay for hundreds of years in this country. things are changing fast. the biden administration is openly authoritarian but again, they are not the only one spirits or corporations come as i was. alex berenson has spent the last two years exposing what is actually going on with

coronavirus. mask walk sounds and, and for that, he has been completely banned from twitter. he is now on sub stack and tearing it up, much deserved. he joined us now, thanks much fr coming on. those of us who read your sub stack faithfully and i do, multiple times a day, have too many questions for you but i want to start on something you wrote about hours ago and that is on the push to vaccinate five to 11-year-old american kids. bottom line question, is there scientific data as of tonight that shows that is a good idea and/or necessary? >> i would say no. there is scientific data that shows the mrna vaccine works as advertised. it causes your body to make a lot of spike proteins, your body makes antibodies to those spike proteins. what pfizer has not demonstrated is that that is any good for children 5211. we know these vaccines cause

side effects, we know the side effects can be severe and we know that in younger men, there is a lot of mild card i do's heart inflammation that can follow these vaccinations. we have no evidence that the benefit of vaccinating 5 to 11 euros outweighs the risk clinically. here's what we know, a lot of scared parents watch too much of your competitors, a lot of scared teachers out there who don't want to get covid and think kids are going to give it to them even though almost all evidence suggests the reverse is true. those people are trying to get kids vaccinated basically for their own peace of mind and i think that is a terrible thing. >> tucker: it is a terrible thing in the question arises, it has never been answered, what threat do they oppose to the vaccinated? you're the first to point out that the president of the united states said i demand private employers with more than 100 people working for them

to impose vaccine mandates. but there was never an executive order to that effect. has there been as of tonight? >> no, there has not been as of now in this is really interesting. this goes right to the heart of your questions about authoritarianism. just as the biden administration has essentially compelled twitter to push me off and is compelling social media companies to crackdown on dissent around covid, and we may, i hope at some point very soon, i will have some discovery to show exactly what happened and all of this, they are back-dooring of vaccine mandate. what they are doing is getting companies that contract with the federal government, which is a lot of employees, force their subcontractors to be vaccinated, without even an executive order, by administrative orders at regulatory agencies they are trying to do this. what is amazing, tucker, his big companies are not pushing back

on the spirit on some level, they like this because they don't want to have to lose employees who would go elsewhere to companies where they don't have to be vaccinated. if you are a big company, all you care about is you don't lose employees, especially in a tight labor market didn't that is what these companies are doing. to think about this level of sort of corporate government autocracy, you're thinking about modern china, you thinking about preworld war ii germany, it is really dangerous when all the levers of power are pointing the same way. we are not even talking about academia or the rest of the media but big companies, he traditionally thought of them as conservative but now they are on board with this authoritarianism. >> tucker: when every institution in american life is arrayed against against to the middle class, the country will change fast, and it is. you have been one of the great chroniclers of that. alex berenson, thank you. speak i thank you, tucker. >> tucker: by the way, to be totally clear this has almost nothing to do with the vaccine itself. you could have gotten the

vaccine. good for you, if you want that. you could support the vaccine if you work at pfizer. it doesn't matter. forcing people to take medicine they don't want is a turning point from which we will not return. this is the single biggest issue in american life and it has nothing to do with covid or the vaccine. it has to do with forcing people to violate their own consciences, violate their bodily autonomy, and basically making the point that the government and big business is in charge of you. every detail of your life. there's nothing bigger than this, the mandates. of course, the republican congress is ignoring it almost completely. it's not just the united states that the authoritarian wave is breaking over. take a look at canada and the man who runs that country, justin trudeau. obviously a lunatic and a buffoon, but in his public statements, a picture of our future. we will have that next. by the way, right now on tuckercarlson.com you can get the new book.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: donald trump and alex jones and the whole lot of other people not allowed on twitter but justin trudeau is, he is the prime minister of canada. that is unfair, of course, and it's interesting because justin trudeau is way crazier than some of the people banned from twitter that we are aware of but you can see him think in real time and that is kind of cool. he sent this tweet, people around the country are lighting candles to honor indigenous women, girls, and lgbtqia+ plus, a group of so-called community, most of these communities, by the way, is with people who have nothing in common with each other, they are not real meetings, they are constructs of politicians, but whatever, what is he talking about?

does justin trudeau even know what he is talking about? watch. >> i will never apologize for standing up to lg -- l bg -- lgbtq+ plus kids' rights. >> tucker: it's also a little terrified. a very interesting professor, how infectious ideas are killing common sense. boy, is that true. we appreciate your being here. what do you make of the prime minister of canada coming out with a vehement defense of, and endorsement of a group whose name he can't even pronounce or define. >> it is part and parcel of his moral -- when he was prime minister. justin trudeau got very upset because stephen harper referred to honor killings and child

brides and female mutilation is barbaric. justin trudeau wasn't angry at those acts, he was angry that stephen harper would call them barbaric. that gives you a sense of his moral compass. >> tucker: is not about protecting human rights, which i think all of us would strongly before, i certainly would. it's about elevating some groups and hurting others. >> indeed. i see this all throughout my scientific career. it is no longer about judging, when you apply for a scientific grant it's no longer about the worth of the scientific application, it is about whether you adhere to certain diversity inclusion and equity edicts. so these dreadful ideas, these parasitic ideas have real-world consequences. they start off in the esoteric world of the ivory tower but eventually they break out and now they infect every nook and cranny of our societies. >> tucker: i hope our audience

will take a look at your book in which you lay this out in some detail but i have to ask the obvious question, is this slowing down or picking up steam customer to an end to this? >> it is picking up, regrettably but i am optimistic and i truly believe the silent majority despises this stuff. if we can activate our inner honey badger and speak up we will get rid of these parasitic ideas by next tuesday. if we don't come it will be a slow train ride to hell. >> tucker: what a great, if we can activate our inner honey badger as we can end this by next tuesday but if we don't, it will be a train to hell. let's put that on the fridge. gad saad, thank you for coming on, congrats on the book. >> thank you so much, cheers. >> tucker: corporate america is now completely committed to woke activism, so how did that happen exactly? didn't happen by accident, it happened all at once. what was the mechanism that allowed you to wake up one

morning and all of a sudden coca-cola hates her family. how did that happen? our next guest knows. he's a wall street analyst and we will be right back.

>> tucker: all of a sudden delta airlines sounds like a sociology department at overland and not just delta but all the big companies. how did that happen? it happened really quickly. in a brand-new episode of "tucker carlson today" we spoke to man who actually knows the answers. he has spent decades analyzing wall street and he knows how corporate america went left. here's part of it. ♪ ♪ >> i want people to understand what's going on in business and what is going on behind-the-scenes and finance business and understand how radically political it has become and how dangerous that is to what we understand as america, what we understand as a

free enterprise system. the engine that brought america to where it is. this is a tremendous risk and eventually, it will have unpleasant and unfortunate ramifications. >> tucker: conservatives have been very slow to criticize corporate america because they believe in free markets, and i think most conservatives agree with that. they don't want heavily regulated markets, they really believe in capitalism in its purest expression. does the free market system still exist at scale in this country? >> it does but it doesn't really exist and big business. we've gotten to the point where our federal government supports business when they should be supporting markets, which would involve supporting smaller businesses. at the overwhelming majority of americans work at small

businesses. the overwhelming majority of americans buy products from small businesses and yet small business has almost no political clout. big business has all the political clout and big businesses basically dragging the government along by its nose. >> tucker: one of the main victims of the coronavirus hysteria has been small business. now that the smoke is beginning to clear, what does the big picture look like? january 2020, what percentage of the economy was represented by small businesses and what do you think that will look like going forward? >> i'm afraid it's going to be an even lesser percentage every year henceforth. in large part because what we've gotten ourselves into is a system, and there is some debate among those of us who study this, whether it is a corporate state or a corporate aquatic state -- >> tucker: what is the difference? >> corporatist state would be

collusion between corporate businesses and government in which the government is pulling the strings. a corporate autocracy is where big business is pulling the strings. i think we are a corporate autocracy. >> tucker: i would agree with that, just watching as a daily news consumer. that is what it looks like. >> i definitely believe government is doing what business wanted to know the other way around. >> tucker: that seems even less healthy because at least government is theoretically accountable to voters and big business is not. >> when i talk about woke capital, the dictatorship of woke capital, i mean the top-down antidemocratic means by which some of the biggest names in business are trying to change the relationship between the citizen and the state. the antidemocratic nature of it is one of the key components to what is going on and why it

matters so much. >> tucker: that guy knows a lot, little shocked by it, actually. a great episode of "tucker carlson today" on fox nation. we are out of time tonight. we are grateful that you tuned in. we will see you monday and every week i come 8:00 p.m. , the show that is the sworn en, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. see you then. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> welcome to this special edition of "hannity," the biden white house in crisis. i am jason chaffetz in for sean. the latest humiliation, a dismal september jobs report that fell well short of all expectations. it was the single worst jobs report of the entire year but today, joe biden proudly announced that everything is goinrd