a better, smarter way to do this. steve: you have been so strong on this. jason we we love it. >> great to see you, thank >> great to see you, thank s. >> when somebody welcomes a nes on leave to take care of the child. it's not a vacation, it's work. todd: transportation secretary pete buttigieg defending pa pent paternity leave as supply chain issues get worse, plus. >> after 22 years serving the state of washington, i'm asked to leave. jillian: a state trooper slams leaders in washington state who refuse to back down on today's

vaccine mandate deadline and even in liberal california americans are rising up with mass walkouts. todd: the bidens are caught breaking a rule, ditching their masks on a date night in d.c. "fox & friends first" starts right now. carley: good morning, you're watching "fox & friends first." i'm carley shimkus. todd: i'm todd piro. pete buttigieg warning the spiraling supply chain crisis could stretch into next year. carley: as republicans blame skyrocketing costs on reckless government spending. lauren blanchard joins us live from washington with more on inflation. >> reporter: good morning. transportation secretary pete buttigieg has been on paternity leave since august. it comes as the u.s. is facing a spiraling supply chain crisis. secretary buttigieg says it's not just a failure to get items on shelves. >> well, certainly a lot of the challenges that we've been

experiencing this year will continue into next year. look, part of what's happening isn't just the supply side, it's the demand side many demand is off the charts. >> reporter: the port of los angeles is working around the clock to get cargo ships in and products off boats. the executive director of the port of long beach says the way sees it there will be a backlog of shipping until mid next year. >> in order to remain competitive and make sure we address this issue not only on a global level but here, at a local level, we have to up our game in terms of not only how we move containers, but in terms of the hours that we operate. 24/7. >> reporter: lawmakers have been you aattempting to slow down increasing inflation. republicans say the leading cause of prices you see at the store is federal spending. >> americans know that when washington spends too much money, that it drives inflation. washington doesn't have a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. >> reporter: democrats, however, say the trillions in combined

spending between a bipartisan infrastructure bill and what they're calling a human infrastructure bill will address supply chain problems and bring down inflation. >> we've got to get people back into the workforce. what's going to get people back into the workforce, providing them with child care. my view is that the bill exactly is tackling inflation. >> reporter: democrats have set an end of the month deadline for themselves to pass both bills. the problem for the president right now is that he can't get his party to agree on how to do it. todd, carley. todd: lauren blanchard kicking us off on a monday. carley: senator ron johnson is pushing back against members of the biden administration like chief of staff ron klain for supporting the idea that shipping issues and inflation are high class problems. >> democrats are living in a fantasy world. they deny reality. the reality is, is high inflation primarily affects retirees and the working poor or any poor person. the risk -- people can handle inflation.

they'll figure out the right places to put their money, their assets will inflate with the rest of inflation. people on fixed income are incredibly hurt by inflation. these are their policies. they want to drive up the price of fossil fuel and energy so apparently we use less of it. again, energy prices affect the price of every good and commodity. so again, this is exactly what they want. they want open borders. they want deficit spending. they want to increase debt. they want to make americans more he dependent on government. >> senator johnson says the problem with the tax and spend problems is eventually you run out of other people's money. isn't that the truth. carley: today, parents and teachers are expected to stage a mass walkout over california's school vaccine mandate. todd: as people across the country look at a choice between getting the shot and losing their job. marianne rafferty joins us live as americans are push being

back. >> reporter: he protesters across the country taking on covid vaccine mandates as many americans are forced to make tough decisions. vaccine mandate for public and private school students age 5 to 18 looms in california, pending fda approval. today, parents and school staff are staging a state-wide sit-out in protest. the group behind the effort, moms on the ground, telling parents and teachers to make sure the schools know exactly why they aren't there today, saying, quote, when you call, tell them it's in opposition to the mandate and it's not just schools bracing for backlash, in chicago, where mandates for all city employees are set to take effect today, police unions are suing and as many as half of that city's sworn officers are expected to defy the order. the already depleted police department in the city attempting damage control by restricting time off requests. the city's police union leader encouraging officers not to comply. a move mayor lori lightfoot

compared to an insurrection. lightfoot vowing to put at the defiant officers on no pay i status. and a veteran state trooper in washington had a message for the governor as he was forced to quit because of his choice not to get the covid vaccine. >> this is my you final signoff after 22 years of serving the citizens of the state of washington, being asked to leave because i am dirty. this is the last time you'll hear me in a state patrol car. >> reporter: we'll hear from the 22 year veteran on why he quit and how these mandates might affect public safety moving forward many back to you guys. carley: marianne rafferty live for us in los angeles. todd: u.s. citizens among hundreds of people safe after escaping the taliban led afghanistan. carley: trey yingst and his crew are the only ones on the ground at the kabul airport in

afghanistan. trey, good morning. >> reporter: guys, good morning. we are back in taliban controlled afghanistan where evacuations continue. this story is not over. there are thousands of american allies and many u.s. citizens and green card holders still stuck in the country. their security and their safety a major concern to the international community. the taliban is very much in control here in the afghan capital of kabul. you can see the flags of the islamic emirate at the airport. this is now referred to as kabul's international airport. on this runway in just a few minutes there will be hundreds of afghan civilians and foreign nationals who will make their way onto a qatari jet, safely getting out of taliban territory. we will speak to some of those american citizens who have been

waiting to flee afghanistan. the security situation is deteriorating every day. on friday, in kandahar, 47 people were killed in an isis-k bombing. there there are major concerns that isis will continue to operate with the taliban in control. there are other major issues facing the afghan people like medical nutrition and poverty, issues the taliban will have to face as they try to govern the country. i want to read one message i received from a special immigrant visa applicant, someone who worked with the americans, sending this message just yesterday, saying hello, i worked with the u.s. army, i submitted all the documents to the special immigrant visa program but my life is in danger many this afghan pleading for help, saying help me get out of afghanistan, save my life and my children, please help me. that really gets to the core of the messages and the phone calls that we've been receiving since we started covering this story two months ago of these desperate afghans who feel like they were left behind, they're looking to do anything they can to get out of the country.

the news today, a qatari evacuation flight will take off in a few minutes, it will have not only afghan civilians on-board but also american citizens, back to you. carley: trey yingst keeping the story alive for us. the situation is real and dire in kabul, afghanistan, thank you, trey. todd: robert gates used the afghanistan withdrawal as an example to reiterate his rebuke of president biden's foreign policy decisions. listen. .>> he opposed every one of ronald reagan's military programs to contest the soviet union. he opposed the first gulf war. >> you think he made a mistake in afghanistan, the way he handled the withdrawal. >> yes. it probably did not need to turn out that way. >> president biden said any withdrawal is messy. >> certainly military considers

the withdrawal the most dangerous part of an operation but they really had a lot of time to plan. beginning with the deal that president trump cut with the taliban. todd: those comments seemingly double down on gates' 2019 rebuke when he said biden has, quote, been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades. carley: a haitian gang is accused of kidnapping 17 missionaries from the united states and canada. haitian police blaming a local gang who are notorious for car thefts and kidnappings of large groups. the ohio based organization says the group was abducted. after visiting an orphanage. a spokesperson for the state department says it is aware of the reports and that, quote, the welfare and safety of u.s. citizens you aabroad are one of the highest priorities of the department of state. todd: the manhunt intensifies

for a man who ambushed three texas deputies, leaving one dead and two hospitalized. the 30-year-old deputy died from his injuries. his wife recently had a baby. can you believe that? that's horrible. three people are dead and an arkansas officer stabbed in the neck after a violent domestic aattack in fort t smith. the officer is expected to survive. carley: former president bill clinton is released in the hospital after spending six days recovering from an infection. he left the southern california medical center with his wife, hillary clinton, by his side sunday morning. clinton gave a thumbs up when a reporter asked how he was feeling. todd: a scary moment in the steelers, seahawks games as darryl taylor needed to be carted off after a collision. he was hopped east.

the steelers -- hospitalized. the steelers went on to win with a game winning field goal as the cowboys also walk it off against new england. >> throws it down the field. the cowboys win it. todd: that touchdown giving dallas the 35-29 win. carley: meanwhile, todd's giants blown out by the rams, la scoring 28 points in just the second quarter of the game. todd: i went for my walk with the baby and wife at that point so i didn't have to watch any of the carnage. carley: that's a positive thought. the raiders won over the broncos and joe borough tossing three touchdowns to lead the bengals to a win over the lions.

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todd: today, california parents, teachers and students are staging a state-wide school walk-out in protest of governor gavin newsom's vaccine mandates. some of the opponents of the mandate join us you now. martin, first to you, how is the vaccine mandate hurting education there in california? >> well, california, many parents and students are owe

opposed to the mandate and they don't want to necessarily give their child this shot for whatever reason, variety of reasons p. many of them have already gotten covid and recovered from it and they have the natural antibodies, they have the natural immunity and they don't see a point in taking this shot. and so as a result, they're going to be forced to do distance learning come january when this mandate goes into effect and we all know distance learning is not an equal education. we tried it last year. it doesn't work. so essentially the 6 million plus children in california are going to face this decision, either take this shot, which they may not necessarily need because they already have antibodies or do distance learning which is an unfair choice. todd: that's the focus on education. christa, what is the vaccine mandate doing to the kids themselves. , their mental health,their abis

kids, just be young for once, what is it doing to that? >> boy, i can't speak to that, that almost sounds like a medical question. but what i will say is that this mandate, what it really means for californians is that an uninvited stranger has come into our doctor's appointment with my and my child and that stranger is going to make a medical decision on our behalf. he wasn't invited in the first place. and mom and dad, we have no say. our doctor doesn't have any say. we parents are -- we're outraged that this stranger is making this call for us that could potentially put our kid in more danger than it does benefit them. our strong, healthy children, this stranger who doesn't know my child or our medical history shouldn't have the authority to make that call for us. todd: katie, all focus today on the walk-out. you say the walk-out is only the beginning. how far will you take this

fight, katie? >> well, you know, i'm really inspired by parents and the community members of happy valley school here in chasta county. they got together, they had a board meeting, and they decided that they did not care if their public school was shut down, that they were going to take on their rights and their responsibilities as parents to educate their own children and that's what i want people to know all over the place, that we need to put our foot down no matter what it takes against these mandates and this government overreach, no matter how uncomfortable it's about to get. todd: martin, what's next if you get fired over this? i've got to think as a father you want to support your family, there's an obligation you feel as a dad, i know i feel it. what are you going to do? >> i have absolutely no clue. i've been teaching for nine years. i love teaching. and there were tears in the classroom on friday when i told

my students that i won't be back. i'm on administrative leave today and i will be going forward and then i'll be fired. so i have no clue but i do know i'm standing on my principles. i believe in natural immunity. and i just believe that each individual american should have the right with their doctor to consult with their doctor and make those personal medical choices and as an english teacher and someone who teaches critical thinking, i cannot stand by and act like this is logical. it's not a logical decision or choice and this is not how america functions, one person telling 39 million people in california what to do. that's not how a functioning society and democracy works. if we want to get back to a rational, functioning society, we have got to give individual rights and liberties and responsibilities back to people.

so i don't know what's next for me. but i do know god provides. so he'll take care of my family. todd: understood. well, we're certainly wishing you the best. keep us posted on how today trans spires. you have to ask the question, do parents have any say over their kids anymore or is the state in charge? people like you are fighting back to make sure it goes back to the way it was for all eternity, parents in charge of their own kids. keep us posted. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. carley: the time is 22 minutes after the hour. gabby petito's mother opening up about the faith she placed in brian laundrie. >> i felt safe because she was with brian and a i felt like she would of be okay. i think i thought he would take care of her. carley: more of that stunning interview coming up. and america's ranchers are taking matters into their own hands in order to save their livelihoods, we are talking to the rancher working to set

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todd: chris mangus was picked by biden in april. he worked as chief of police in richmond, california. he sent an e-mail to officers clarifying the department noncooperation policy with i.c.e. officers. merck garland getting pushback after calling for federal investigation against parents protesting policies. some say he provided no examples. they say we are concerned with what they call threats and acts of intimidation and compares to he domestic terrorism and hate crimes can be classified as political speech.

they say those americans are making them proud to be americans. they asked for evidence. and stacy abrams hit the campaign trail for terry mcauliffe in virginia, two churches in black communities were among the failed georgia gubernatorial candidates' stops. .former president barack obama will stump for mcauliffe in the closes weeks of the race. he. carley: meanwhile, america's ranchers are taking matters into their own hands, banding together to build their own meat plant as they plan to take power back to set their own prices. rancher rusty kemp is leading the effort and he joins me now. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning, carley. carley: so you say it's really hard to make a living as a ranchers. as a matter of fact, for every

dollar spent on meat, 35-cents used to go to ranchers and farmers, that was in the 1970s, now what that number is down to 14-cents. so why is this happening and what do you plan to do about it? >> well, there's been a lot of consolidation in the meat packing industry. there's four packers that control about 80% of the industry. and i need to be really clear, we need nose packers, -- we need those packers, we need those big mega plants to process all the beef we have to feed the nation. but at the end of the day, we're just trying to car have out a -- carve out a small niche. we'll be one quarter the size of these big plants. this is a producer owned facility, it's opened by multigenerational agricultural families in nebraska, with deep no crass cay ties -- me brass

cay tie -- nebraska ties. we're trying to keep some of the money here in rural america. carley: that's important, where it's desperately needed. here's a number americans are familiar with when they go to the grocery store. beef prices have soared, 12% increase in beef prices since last year. will your new plant help bring down those prices? >> well, more competition is always good for retail pricing. we're not big enough to really move the needle, you know, in the environment we live in. we're going to focus more on high quality nebraska beef. we'll be able to tell agriculture's story and our plant is going to let consumers know where their food comes from. we'll be able to track an individual steak from the plate back to the ranch it was produced on. carley: i'm sure that's a going to be appealing to a lot of people who want to know where their dinner comes from.

we have been talking a lot about inflation lately. it's on the mind of every american. and it does seem like meat prices, among a lot of the things that have risen over the past year, it seems like meat prices are particularly affected. why is that? >> we've got supply chain issues. we've got these huge mega plants and if one of them goes down it just sends ripple effects to the entire market and covid really brought this to light and our business model is -- and our theory is more medium-sized plants to spread the risk out, spread the production out across the country so we don't have one plant going down and just shutting down the meat supply to the entire nation. carley: how long do you think meat prices will continue to rise? >> i think they're going to track every other commodity and we seem to be in a very inflationary environment right

now. what we're facing here is the beef prices in the grocery store are rising but the prices we're getting from the packers are not going up commensurately. but our input cost, our feed and fuel costs are going up as well. so it's really putting a squeeze on a lot of producers in rural america. carley: you noticed the plan within the ranching community and you have a plan to solve it. thank you for joining us this morning to talk about it. rusty kemp, thank you. >> thank you, carley. todd: time now, 32 minutes after the hour. dr. anthony fauci says christmas is back on, carley. carley: all right. todd: he has one condition for those who want to head home for the family. we'll tell you what it is coming up. the head of a popular supermarket chain joins us next to explain how the pain of the supply chain crisis ends up trickling down to you. ♪ it's not about the money,

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carley: welcome back. another case of for thee but not for me. president biden and jill biden caught walking through a high end restaurant maskless. they were accompanied by masked secret service agents. an indoor mask mandate was reinstated in july by d.c.'s

mayor amid the surge of the delta variant. meanwhile, it's a christmas miracle, dr. anthony fauci says the holiday season is no longer canceled. watch. .fauci did say that you can sped holidays with your family if you are vaccinated. he also says people don't like him because he is guided by the truth, that's something he says is inconvenient for some. yeah. that's why. senate majority leader chuck schumer is proposing a four legged solution to the looming staffing crisis at airport security, only 60% of tsa employees have received the mandatory covid vaccine. so schumer suggests replacing unvaccinated employees with k-9s. >> if the tsa lags in jabs, send in the dogs. carley: send in the dogs. schumer says the dogs do a great job of sniffing out explosives and explosive residue.

no word from schumer on the cost of bringing in k-9s or how many of the handlers are vaccinated. todd. todd: interesting, carley. thank you very much. the supply chain chaos continues as americans grapple with the skyrocketing cost of everyday goods and the biden administration says global vaccination is the only solution. listen. >> today we face an economy that's in transition. part of that transition, we are seeing high prices for some of the things that people have to buy. the only way we're going to get to a place where we work through this transition is if everyone in america and everyone around the world gets vaccinated. todd: here to discuss, president and ceo stu leonard supermarkets. specifically with regard to this, you've been a food selling institution for decades. can you think of any other solution to the current crisis other than global vaccination? >> well, in the 50 years our

family's been selling food and wine, i've never seen anything like this ever happening again. i think there's just -- it's like the perfect storm. everything's happened at once, the labor rates are going up, the fuel costs are going up, you know, you're seeing supply chain issues. look at all the boats floating off the -- even here, right around new york, you can see them right off of long island and new york just floating out there. so i've never seen it all happen at one time like it has now. todd: you have some examples in front of you, showing how bad it has gotten. walk us through what you got in front of you. >> yes. well, first of all, i don't want to say things are skyrocketing. i want to just calm customers down a little bit. a lot of things never changed, like we're still selling our salmon in the store at the same price. we have chicken at the same price, butter's been really good market right now. same with milk. and even eggs right now which has always been high and he lowd

they're at a good price right now. i always get these pasture raised eggs. i was at thing farm and these are the best ones to get. you look at the skyrocketters, this one right here, this is one of your rib eyes, center cut. restaurants, hotels, caterers, weddings are back on track, they're gob belling these -- gobbleing them up. they've gone up 20%. they're still selling. lobster is at record highs, lobster roll like this you're going to pay double probably what you normally pay for a lobster roll. this is a big one, number one item in he produce is avocados. they used to be a buck, right, everybody knows that. now they're two bucks. so you're seeing a couple items spike. now, my recommendation to customers is just shop around for the values in your store and

you shouldn't see that increase in inflation and food. todd: you just mentioned your advice for the customer. what's your advice to the white house to handle this? p again, i know you're pretty apolitical, regardless of who is in there. what do you want to see the people in charge, regardless of party, do? >> well, look, i mean, we're just running a business and i'm trying to do what i can within this business. we've had to raise our starting rate $2 an hour now, just to you attract the number of people we need for the holidays. you want great people, great customer service. i say one thing that the white house has to do is not make it easy for people not to work. we're in a deficit as far as hiring. we were only 93% of our staff and we have to hire 1,000 people between now and the end of christmas. so for the holidays to help out with christmas trees and pumpkins and all that.

so we're offering people money. some people are just laying back and saying i don't want to come to work. i think the government should incentivize people a lot more to come to work rather than stay home. todd: let's focus on the christmas trees for a moment. i know i'm jumping ahead two months. when you go to get your christmas tree at stu leonards there's 9,000 people to help you through all the stages, helping you pick it out, lift it, put it through the mesh thing and ultimately carrying it to your car. are you worried you're not going to have those folks this year? >> well, right now we feel good. we are going to have the folks because of our $2 an hour raise that we gave everybody. the applications have tripled, pouring in. we feel comfortable. we're worried about getting enough trees. you're hearing about tree shortages right now up in canada. we just got cut on our turkey order that we get and we had to

scurry around and one of my friends who is a turkey farmer was able to fill our entire order. so our big, big goal right now at stu leonards is a full shelf, a lot of other retailers are empty, i promise we'll have full shelves at stu leonards for the holiday. i'll do what i can to hire enough so our customers can come in and get what they want. todd: one of the great things at stu lee nards, you have great -- leonards, you have great relationships with those around the area so the supply chain issue doesn't impact you as much. stu leonard, great to have you here. as long as you have the pop-ems when i walk in the door, i need to get one, two or 40 of them to make myself full as i shop.

as long as you have them, it's okay. >> thank you for getting me up early so i can call the dairy farmers this morning. carley: a thomas jefferson take statue may soon find a new home. they will vote today on whether or not to relocate the founding father. mayor bill de blasio said he understands activist calls to remove the statue because he owned slaves, others asked the commission to look at his greater contribution to the nation, like writing the declaration of independence. coming up, police officers told to stand down as drug addicts shoot up in the streets of new york city even as overdoses are up. we are talking to councilman joe barelli on that front coming up next. todd: plus, the first public appearance by casey de santis

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four people were injured by gunfire. two were injured fleeing the gunfire. several people are reportedly in police custody. it's unclear if that includes the gunman. gabby petito's say they were tricked by brian laundrie's personality. >> i told her to be careful, be safe, make sure that -- to be aware of your surroundings, don't trust everybody. but i felt safe because she was with brian and i felt like she would be okay. i thought he would take care of her. todd: laundrie is the sole person of interest in gabby's death. he is still at large with a federal warrant out for his arrest. carley: police officers in new york city are being told not to intervene if they see people injecting drugs in public.

all while drug overdose deaths are soaring within the city. joining me now, kathy konig store, co-funder of the store foundation and joe borelli, new york city councilman. good morning to you you both. >> good morning. carley: the new york post has a write-up on this topic and they say new york city's war on drugs is over, the junkies won. tell us about the new law that governor hochul just signed. >> it's the pinnacle of what could be called the harm reduction model of dealing with people using dangerous drugs on our streets. this is the model of governing which aloys needle -- allows needle exchanges and things like that rather than any involvement from law enforcement. this is that playing out right now in new york sigh and unfortunately the people it leaves out of the process are the public who have to see these conditions, who have to stumble upon needles in their public

spaces and unfortunately this is essentially a license for people, addicted people, to use drugs wherever and whenever they please. as we saw with marijuana, this is going to lead to more people using drugs in our parks and public spaces. carley: before i get to you, kathy, one more to you, joe. before police could arrest somebody if they see them injecting drugs, by that empty syringe and drug residue left in the syringe, now under this new law you can't. does this decriminalize drug use? >> it's essentially a complete decriminalization of dangerous drugs. we had the conversation about marijuana. this opens the door for heroin and fentanyl and things that are genuinely killing young people. so this is not something that is going to make new york city safer for people to use drugs even. this is not going to make new york city safer for the public at large. and unfortunately, this is in my opinion just giving up and it shouldn't be done. carley: kathy, whats is your

reaction to this new law? it was passed in an effort to be more compassionate to drug addicts. is this more compassionate? >> well, in a way it is because what was happening prior -- let me go back for one second, when that article quoted the 30 of% increase in drug overdoses in the last year, it -- nobody picks up a drug, picks up heroin because they're allowed to. right? nobody picks up heroin because it's enjoyable. it's part of a disease process. and when you tell the people that we're going to let you do it freely, it's not going to increase the number. i'm not picking up a needle tomorrow. i'm not going to pick up heroin and most people won't. those people already exist and what we have here is a part of a harm reduction that's absolutely what this is about but it's only

one piece of the puzzle, right? so if we decriminalize using the needle, where is that other space where we can interact with those people? industries offer them an option. i understand there's he needle exchanges. i assume they're being used. we already having in place, right? this increase, this 30% -- 36% increase has happened with it being illegal. so being illegal did not change that. so i don't n think it increases anything. i don't think it tells people it's okay. those people are using. they're just not using where you can see them and honestly, the city has changed since s covid. i don't think they're taking that -- they're taking this little synopsis of this very recent time in the city that the city has been very, very different than it's been in prior years. so -- go ahead. carley: joe, i'm going to go to you real quick.

i want to get both of you in on one more question each. joe, if you say this law sort of gives a little bit more of a green light for drug use, one element is the drug addict but the others are people that live in new york city, that have to pass the needles on the streets and there's a massive quality of life issue involved in this as well. >> right. well, that's the balance. you know, the criminality of drugs doesn't really affect the addicted person and separate and apart, we need treatment programs, we need more and better of them. however, you have to balance it with the public's right to enjoy their parks, their neighborhoods. they have a right not to come out of their house and have a child stepping over people on drugs or the remnants of drug use on their property so that's the balance we have to not forget about in new york and other cities. san francisco led the way on harm he reduction policies and they are seeing even larger spike in overdose deaths than new york city. so i'm not sure that this model is one we should be emulating.

carley: kathy, i'm going to give you a challenge, a really important question with 20 seconds to get to it. your son died of a drug overdose. you devoted your life to helping families with addicts in them. so what sort of you laws would you like to see on the books to help addicts? >> honestly, some of the laws in florida are amazing. and in fact, i was on the phone with a mom yesterday whose daughter is in jail right now and that mom is sleeping for the first time in a very long time because they couldn't break the cycle. drug addiction is a cycle. it's a self-fulfilling cycle. it goes around and around until something breaks that cycle and sometimes that is law. but it can also be done in different ways. right. so instead of a police officer being able to arrest for a needle, if that police officer was paired with a team where they could send other people to go sit with that person, meet them at their level and possibly talk about a different way of

life or trying -- carley: thank you, kathy. we're coming up a hard break. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. todd: florida first lady casey de santis seen for the first time after her husband announced her breast cancer diagnosis. here's a video of her appearance on saturday. >> she's doing so well. she wanted to come here tonight and say hello to you, so here she is. >> i'm sure as hell not giving up. todd: the mom of he three telling the crowd saying she she knows they're feeling anxious about the country but she said not to give up. carley: coming up, mill mcgern, joe concha and van taylor all coming up live. (sfx: video game vehicle noises, horns beeping,) (engines revving, cars hitting one another.)

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