>> allowing criminals into any community is an amistake. i have been on the record. in texas we came out against sanctuary cities. carley: this confirmation hearing is tomorrow. one to watch. congressman van taylor thank you for watching us, we appreciate it? >> good to be with you. carley: good to be with you and everybody this morning. "fox & friends" starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> the crisis at the southern border continues to get worse. >> the biden administration has completely abandoned all the people who live on the border and the state of texas. >> taking on covid vaccine mandates as many americans are being forced to make tough decisions. >> this is my final stand off. i'm being asked to leave. >> hammering president biden. >> i think he has done a lot. >> you are talking all through the years. >> yes. >> in china military officials tested nuclear capable

hypersonic. the launch caught u.s. intelligence officials by surprise. >> u.s. citizens among hundreds of people safe after escaping the taliban led afghanistan. >> the story is not over. thousands stuck in the community. their security a major concern. >> for the win. and the pittsburgh steelers wins in overtime. ♪ ♪ ainsley: that is a beautiful shot of dallas, texas. we have will cain on the curvey couch today. you from texas. how about those cowboys last night? ainsley: i thought of you when i was watching it. what a game. will: that was exciting game. do you want to do three hours on that? brian: not far away. dallas top three teams in the league. ainsley for you, i'm not going to tell you how to think.

but for you to have your hello hour to be about will, i'm offended for you. ainsley: when we start with myrtle beach, if you start that hour with a shot of myrtle beach you always talk about me from being from south carolina. will: really about me. ainsley is showing good news judgment. brian: that's your opinion on what ainsley thinks. that's one thing that i didn't think was going to be starting. dallas, i don't know how they turned it around so quick. but they seemed to have turned it around really quick. and no one else that knows how to play tackle football in that decision. brian: talk about something to lift your spirits mask mandates. well, it works. beam are getting because of these mandates, they are getting vaccinated at a greater rate. that's true. you have to think of the big picture. could you think around actually think what happens around the corner. if 5% to 10% of every workforce is not getting the vaccination for whatever reason, whatever

your judgment is, how are those industries going to respond from cops do medical professionals, to teachers to hospice workers? what is going to happen when when they all drop out or are fired? will: that is no doubt something we should all be focused on, brian. just a small percentage of critical workforce who elect not to get the vaccine cripples what already is a supply chain. think it's bad now. wait until fedex loses 10% of workforce and you can't deliver the packages that already can't make it to america or u.p.s., or healthcare to your point or police officers robert la may a police officer in the state of washington. their mandate goes into effect today. and that means yesterday was his last day on the job. take a look when he signed off after 22 years as a washington state trooper. >> this is my final sign off. after 22 years serving the

citizens of washington i'm being asked to leave because i'm dirty. numerous facilities, will i worked sick, i played sick. there is lots of friends over the years like to thank you guys. i would like to thank the citizens of yakima county as well as my fellow officers within the valley. without you guys, i wouldn't have been very successful. you kept me safe and got me home to my family every night. thank you for that i wish i could say more but this is it. 1034 this is the last time you will hear me in a state patrol car. and [inaudible] kiss my shall. ainsley: many losing their jobs. 92% of workers in the state of washington. the local state employees, they have gotten the sack vaccine.

many of them like trooper la may prepared to lose jobs. he has four children. wife works part time. only two and a half years away from retirement. he has gotten so many awards in that area. he delivered a baby while on patrol in his first year. he is honored with multiple red cross real life hero award and the dispatcher on the other side of the call you have great mentor and real model for troopers in that area by sharing your knowledge and experience throughout the years thank you for your supervisors. will: that as the state of washington is prepared to say goodbye to. trooper la may was on "fox & friends first" a little bit earlier this morning. here is what he had to say. >> when the governor of the state of washington started his mandate project, my wife and i family we're not taking it. we don't do vaccines. we don't do flu shots any of that stuff. so, over the last month, it's been nothing but just beating up our fellow employees, constantly

telling them they have to vaccination. they have to do this and do that. these are the type of actions they were doing. they were not very open or clear what they wanted to do or how they wanted to do it. people had very good questions. the process how they did it was ridiculous and making people do this or you are losing your job was ridiculous. brian: lori lightfoot who comes out and battling with her police force and the police union are saying we are not doing this don't go why the mandate. don't even come to work. in terms of washington, 77.6% have at least one shot. 71% fully vaccinated. they told us originally if you have 75%. you have herd immunity. why is it necessary to fire these people, especially because you asked them to work throughout the entire pandemic, same thing with hospital workers and teachers. for some reason there ask a big blackout on people that have gotten fired. i give delta credit. delta says i'm not going why this i'm not going to fire people they have got it do this.

osha comes out with this rule if you have over 100 employees are you have to mandate vaccination delta and jetblue and other companies says i will make my own decisions, thank you. everyone is dwelling to be losing 10% to 15%. look at job numbers if this continues to happen. ainsley: trooper says chaplain is going to be fired because he refuses to take the vaccine. trooper says he filed for religious exemption. we are a god attorney general g. we don't take the flu shot. we are not taking this vaccine. we accept your exemption but you have to move across the state with your family if you want to keep a job here and you have to take a lesser job because we don't really have a place for you if you are not getting vaccinated but you can move. he said i'm maxed out with my pay. i make the most of any police officer can i'm close retirement. i'm not going to move across the state and accept a lower paying job. will: let's put this into two pieces of context this is on a

day. espn lost a sideline reporter. tomorrow the nba tinns off. we know that kyrie irving one of the biggest stars prepared to not play this season. another bit of context as we are losing all of these critical workers. brian, a subject always of interest to you. we talked about healthcare workers. and police officers after a year ofvillizing police officers and having a hard time recruiting new ones saying good by to experienced ones. navy seals. not just compromising tsa. not just compromising the supply chain compromising our national security. ainsley: why now in this trooper on "fox & friends first" said we worked 18 months without a problem. why now after the delta variant has already come through. we are seeing fewer people in the hospital and fewer deaths than they used. to say. brian: do you want to know my opinion? my opinion is i think between 60 and 70% of the public believe

that mandates should be put into play. politicians go okay. if i could do something that 70% of the american support, shouldn't i do it? and i think we care about the 10% that aren't going to. number one the 40% that don't think it's a good move. '30%, to 40%. those people say i quit my job. there should be some mulligans for those people especially the natural immunity. you flood the zone with antibody test. and people say okay, they are working with me on that. will: america was not founded on poll numbers or pure democracy. we have a constitution and bill of rights that was designed to protect minority interests. i'm interested in protecting minority say it's not right for me. you brought up lori lightfoot. brian: she loves basketball. will: she does love basketball. chicago sky proud of myself. the chicago sky won the wnba championship. mayor lori lightfoot was there

to separate. she didn't bring all of other coacherments with her you can see there in a statement where there is an indoor mask mandate requirement regardless of vaccine status. regardlessless, can you see everybody else in the stands by the way. look at the high and mighty. brian: what was she thinking? ainsley: goats podium and tells everyone to wear masks and goes to this crowded event and not wearing mask. rules for thee and not for me. and the biden administration did you bidens went to swanky restaurant and not following the mayor's order for everyone to wear a mask. brian: right. this is a guy who wears a mask everywhere. he wore a mask in his basement. he wore a mask on a g-20 zoom call alone in his office. now when you see what they're really doing, jill and joe don't wear a mask when they go to a big time restaurant why should they? i actually agree they shouldn't be wearing a mask in a restaurant. but those are not the rules that

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carley: good morning, back with headlines. haitian gang accused of kidnapping 17 missionaries from the united states and canada. that number including five children. police blaming a local gang notorious for car thefts and kidnapping of large groups. edges% warn the suspects will demand a ransom of up to $1 million per person. the ohio based organization christian aid ministries says the group was abducted after visiting ar orphanage. christian officials are in touch with the u.s. state department. senate majority leader chuck schumer is proposing a 4 leg 9 solution to a looming staffs crisis at airport be security. only 50% of employees have received the mandatory code vaccine. so schumer suggests replacing unvaccinated employees with canines. if the dsa lags in januaries, send in the dogs. >> schumer says the dog does

great job of sniffing out explosives and explosive residue. no ward on schumer on the cost of bringing in canines or. how handlers are vaccinated. the thomas jefferson statue in new york city's council chambers may soon find a new home after nearly 200 years. today the public design commission will vote whether or not to relocate the founding father. mayor bill de blasio recently said he understands activist calls to remove it because he owned slaves. asked the commission to look into thinks greater contribution to the nation like writing the declaration of independence. yeah. to week 6 in the naval. a scary moment in the steeler seahawks game taylor needed to be carted off the field after a big dlition. he was hospitalized but expected to fly home with the team. the steelers went on to win in overtime behind a big fumble recovery to set up the game-winning field goal. this as the cowboys also walk

off against new england. >> touchdown. throws it down the field caught at the 10 and this game is over. the cowboys win it. >> there you have it. that 35-yard touchdown giving dallas the 35-29 win. meanwhile, the giants get blown out by the rams. l.a. scores 28 points in just the second quart temperature of the road win and joe burrow tossing three touchdowns to help lead the bengals to a bounce back win over the now o and 6 lions. that's a wrap-up of yesterday's game and those are your headlines, guys. brian: dan campbell's press conferences are the best. will: coaches the loins? brian: when a man that big cries it stands out. will: how many times have you cried on the television been on the show 25 years? brian: i'm not a big cryer.

ainsley: brian says he cries once a decade. brian when i hurt myself. will: have you cried any on set tears? brian: not really. if i cried this would be the season i would cry watching the giants play? because it was incredible. opened up 3-0 lead. i watched the team just stop playing. has anyone thought that maybe daniel jones was knocked silly a week ago. they should give him a week off. he was out on his feet and playing six days later. talk about something to lift up your spirits. the state of the southern border. never been worse. the remain in mexico policy is still a few weeks away. the only thing they have to do is ask mexico if we can do it because they are not feeley great about this administration. but, in the mean time, it is kay office on the border and can't get anyone to pay attention.

ainsley: feel abandoned. that's what governor greg abbott said he was on with maria over the weekend. he is crying for help. talk about crying. he needs the biden administration's help they denied recent request to have more money to help with the border. listen to what he had to say. >> we're seeing the highest number of border crossings and all because of the catastrophic open border policies. the cartels are getting even more aaggressive. the cartels on the mexican side of the border are beginning to open fire on the national guard. that texas has down on the border to secure the border. this is escalating into a firing war on each side of the border. the biden administration has completely abandoned all of the people who live on the border. they have abandoned people in the state of texas. maria, these are counties and these are people who traditionally have voted democrat, the biden administration is ignoring.

will: governor greg abbott is absolutely right if you saw the results of the 2020 presidential election. those counties turned red. those counties voted for president trump why? because their quality of life has been contacted. this is not something you can easily dismiss because of where you live. this crisis starts this way and before you know it, shots going back and forth both ways. violence erupts. it's bad what we are dealing with now. how bad could it get and how quickly? ainsley: remember a week ago, two weeks ago intimidating our agents holding guns and now firing shots at our folks that are down there. the national guard that are helping? and abbott was talking about the number of people that have been released into our country. so it does affect every single person in our country. 160,000 have been released since march. brian: i would just like to add this because i know we have more to talk about. there is consistency. joe biden who labeled himself a moderate afraid of his left. is he on the record saying we

need border security. dick durbin saying we have to build a fence that's got to be bigger. schumer and the i'm blanking out now. harry. ainsley: reid. brian: as speaker was out saying hey, guys we have to secure our border. they all know you have to secure your border. they're so afraid of the left they go radio silent the things with the 1.3 trillion, combining them together. ignoring the mod draft which he said he was. and maybe his track record indicates he is what so scary about his left? will: i don't know. is he certainly catering to the left. that's certainly true. we wondered about this during the presidential election. we wondered who would he be? would be a blank slate and manipulatable. we know the answer. we see who he is nominating as the comptroller and head of the

border patrol. a guy advocated for sanctuary cities. every single policy and every bit single personnel filled by those on the far left. ainsley: you think about the fentanyl problems. jon stewart the comedian had a message about everyone blaming president trump for everything and he says enough. we need to move on. listen. i think we make a mistake focusing this all on donald trump as though he is, i don't know, magnito and some incredible super villain who has changed the very nature and temperature of the united states. i think it's a mistake to focus it all on this one individual. and not to focus it more on, you know, the idea that power is its own reward. whether it be in the financial industry or in government like power doesn't cede itself.

brian: that's pretty amazing. i watched that whole interview. he is on hbo now trying to remove the republican democrat thing on his show. first issue the burn pits and that so many of our military people got these cancers. including maybe bo biden. put all this garbage in pits and burned them right here where soldiers were sleeping in theater and all these crazy cancers are happening. that's not a democrat or republican issue. so, remember, he missed the whole trump year. the elections he was out. he was done. what i found amazing about that interview was that jake tapper talked about the big lie talked about republicans are not accepting the 2020 elections over 40% don't. does anyone remember 2016? they still haven't accepted that donald trump beat hillary clinton for four years we heard that nonstop. remember in 2,000. democrat never accepted that george w. bush beat al gore and they always talked about what happened in florida. if you really want to move our

country forward, look at it comprehensively and see what both sides are doing. will: georgia diverch's race stacey abrams challenges the race in that as well. brian: that's laudable they understand that. ainsley: i don't think jon stewart is a trump fan. >> there is no doubt that the united states mainstream press has this coordinated effort against donald trump for over 5 years. the question is do they want them back for their own ends and own means. they need him back for their ratings. they hate him and want to defeat him but they need him. i would be very curious to watch their positioning. brian: joe biden won't take any questions. won't dominate the news cycle. he does not press even his own side to come across. dolls not go to the media and say i'm disappointed in joe

manchin. i'm disappointed with the squad. he just goes to the beach and doesn't take any questions. so there is a huge void here. ainsley: he was on a retreat when afghanistan fell and stayed there. came back to washington for a brief second a few days later and then went back to camp david. will: got to move forward with this. we have a fox news alert. a plane full of u.s. citizens and allies about to take off from afghanistan's airport. only fox news is on board the daring mission to save those stranded behind enemy lines. k.t. mcfarland rereacts next. brian: trey yingst on that plane. (combative yelling)

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brian: welcome back, everybody, this is fox news alert. evacuation flight about to fly out of kabul. this is good news. escaping taliban controlled afghanistan. trey yingst is on flight. slight delay fly. trey, what can you tell us? >> right now there are hundreds of afghan civilians and foreign nationals 'boarding a qatary flight heading to doha from the international airport. i want to show you behind me many women and children some of them u.s. green card holders and other american passport holders. american citizens will be able to make their way out of afghanistan on this tenth qatary flight. we talked to a green card holder an engineer in maryland and he said he was so excited to get

his family out of afghanistan. he pointed to his 3-year-old son an american passport holder saying is he going to start preschool in maryland next year a lot of zoobilation and excitement from afghans and other foreign nationals make their way out of taliban controlled territory. there is a security situation that continues to deteriorate here in afghanistan. just on friday, 47 afghan civilians were killed in afghanistan's second largest city of kandahar in an isis-k suicide bombing. so, this is what these civilians are dealing with on top of now living under taliban control. and we were here for almost 20 days after the taliban took over reporting on the situation and we heard this fear from american who were stuck, left behind those who worked with the united states and vulnerable civilians caught amid the crossfire and we continued to hear that fear while we have some positive news to report today with these american -- green card holders and other afghan civilians

making their way out of afghanistan. there are still thousands of american allies left behind along with a handful of u.s. passport holders and green card residents in the united states. brian? brian: trey, we have got to keep this story alive in fairness. all our allies have done for us, the sivs intelligence the americans. it doesn't seem like the administration really cares. the state department not helping. trey yingst, talk to you throughout the day, thanks so much. 28 minutes after the top of the hour. i wanted to bring in k.t. mcfarad national security adviser author of revolution. trump washington and we the people. k.t., your reaction to what we just heard. we heard just about 100 penal are going to be left. that was like six weeks ago. there is many more than 100. the state department seems to be giving the heisman to the evacuation efforts. >> yeah, look, the state department said oh, it's a handful. just 100. the pentagon was saying it was several thousand americans left behind. this is good news that we're

getting them out. the bad news is that we left them in the first place. the big question mark is how many were left behind, nobody knows. not one or two. chances are it could be as much as 1,000 if you listen to the pentagon report. brian: move on and talk about afghanistan from robert gaetz' perspective served seven presidents. he straddled went from bush to president obama why don't you stay here. he has held every significant job he could in washington. he commented on jond. joe biden. joe biden likes him but published in his book but published on his book he has been wrong on every national security issue in the last 40 years. what about his withdrawal he said last night in "60 minutes." >> do you think he made a mistake in afghanistan the in the way he handled the withdrawal. >> yes. once the way president biden affirmed there was going to be a firm deadline date, that's the plan at which they should have begun bringing those people out. you have to be pretty naive not

to assume things were going to go down hill once that withdrawal was complete. brian: also critical of president trump as soon as signed that deal we should have started bringing people out then. your reaction from what you heard from bob gaetz? >> look. president trump was bringing people out. even before we signed that deal. and so the continuation of bringing those people out would have meant by the time you got to the deadline they would have got out. the biden administration came in and stopped taking people out. in fact they added people. they wanted to shore up the afghan government. the bigger point that bob gaetz makes. i have known him since 1970 when we shared an office together in henry kissinger's suite in the nixon white house. when he says joe biden has been wrong on everything. joe biden has been wrong on everything. i worry about what joe biden is going to get wrong going forward. i think that's china. brian: right. so let's talk about china. over the weekend it became

confirmed that they have hypersonic missile that went around the earth at 21,000 miles an hour and can strike anywhere. according to norad it would breach our missile defense system. almost by every quote i'm seeing most anonymous we were shocked by this. your reaction? >> well, i've got three reactions to it this is a game changer technology it has a missile system that we could not detect when it was fired. we will not be able to shoot down. but, number two, here's a u.s. intelligence community getting it wrong. we didn't know when it was going to happen. we didn't think it would happen. we didn't think afghanistan would collapse this quickly. they are not getting anything right. and then the third part of it that i think is even more upsetting is now this is not just the only thing china is doing. china is doing a whole range of weapon systems. a whole range of economic warfare. a whole range of -- even more threatening statements about taiwan and other places. this is part of a bigger chinese

plan. the thing that is so maddening, brian. guess where the chinese got the technology for this? this was an american program. the hypersonic program that the obama administration canceled. it's our technology and they built the weapons. brian: unbelievable and russia has it too. we have 3.5 million going into weapons i don't know if that's enough. the china faced power cuts. computer shortages everywhere. taken a toll on china's economy. the national bureau of stats china's economy grew at 4.9. supposed to grow at 7.. construction ground to a halt. they are having huge issues. some say this is like 2008 in america because their projects are under financed and people aren't getting paid there is an opportunity here economically to really press them now. hopefully we take advantage of that opportunity. k.t., thanks so much. >> thank you, brian.

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>> good morning. ainsley: gail, i will start this with you why did you pen this letter to the a.g.? >> when we saw the letter that the national school board's association had written to president biden where they compared parents who are trying to make sure that their children are getting a proper education, compared them to domestic terrorists, we were concerned on the other hand, did i not think that the biden administration or that attorney general merrick garland would be so silly as to write the memo that merrick garland did indeed write. that i think seem to be on board with the national school board's association. and that really dismayed us. so we thought it was important to write a letter that would point out that these parents are doing what parents are supposed to do. they are caring about their children's education. ainsley: peter, isn't it well within a parent's first amendment right. >> absolutely h this fund mental

right to address the government for the redress of grievances it has a chilling effect on the right of these parents to do it. when you have the attorney general inadvocate justice department and including the fbi's national security division to investigate individuals simply expressing concern about ideology and campuses and academia today. some of the violence occurred in loudoun county this is some of the stuff that the progressives understood they touched a third wral critical race theory and some of the other lunacies pervading education. they wanted to suppress that. this is something have you terry mcauliffe and others saying parents shouldn't be involved in this they understand they want to be it doesn't auger well. ainsley: you say you combed the internet looking for examples is this a national problem? what did you find exactly whancts we found is a lot of parents care about how their children are receiving an education.

and, you know, that's something we should all be proud of. and, you know, the notion that this is somehow, you know, a spike in threats of violence, you know, any parent threatens a school board member with violence, then that is a matter for the law. but there is no -- there is no evidence whatsoever that local law enforcement isn't able to handle that. we actually haven't seen, you know, very much of that. and it's not clear we have seen any of it at all. what we have seen are parents that we should be proud of. they are doing exactly what parents are supposed to do. and the notion that going to a school board and objecting to the way the students are being taught that's important and that's important part of what it is to be an american. i'm proud of these parents. ainsley: peter, what's the real reason for this? why we call in the fbi? >> i think it's because they want to suppress and chill the right of parents to address this

ideology. you see something similar true violence with antifa or black lives matter didn't have a big press conference, issue a memo saying we are going to have the doj come in and fbi come in with respect to that parents were legitimately concerned about the educational atmosphere in their children's schools. boy they bring in the full weight of the national security division. really really extraordinary. >> we have chilling, very troubling. this is -- i don't want to be over reacting to this, but this is almost totalitarian. ainsley: peter, let us know if you hear back from him. >> absolutely. ainsley: thank you for being on with us. let's hand it over to carley for headlines. >> that's right. ainsley. listen to this gabby petino's parents say they were tricked by brian laundrie's quiet personality. 22-year-oldens grieving mother spoke to "60 minutes" on the advice she gave gabby before heading out west. >> they felt safe because she was with brian and felt like she

would be okay. i thought he would take care of her. carley: laundrie is the sole person of interest in gabby's death. is he still at large with a federal warrant out for his arrest. fire crews making strides against a california wildfire over the weekend. officials say the are fire is now 78% contained after burning for nearly one week. the fire torching more than 17,000 acres and still threatening about 400 structures more than 1600 firefighters are battling the fire both by land and as you can see air as well. atlanta braves win in wakeoff fashion again to take a two-game lead over the dodgers 5- 4. >> here comes the winning run. scores and the braves win.

>> both of atlanta's wins over l.a. coming in the game's final at bat. tonight boston will host the astros for game three of the alcs. that series is tied at one game apiece. those are your headlines. ainsley over to you. ainsley: thank you, carley. let's check in janice dean for fox weather forecast. >> temperature got really cold in weekend. in the 50's right now. actually 49. 52 in boston. 49 in buffalo. you can see that colder air across the great lakes and parts of the ohio river valley. and let's move ahead if we can i'm not sure why this isn't working. i will tell you we have the potential for showers and thunderstorms across the west coast and some heavy snow for the mountains. otherwise, warmer temperatures for the central u.s. and i apologize my little clicker must be frozen as well with all of the temperatures in the 40's this morning. ainsley. ainsley: a little chilly out

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carley: good morning, we are back with quick headlines. apple is expected to announce new line of math books today. the company has spent two years revamping the laptop. new and improved processing chip. expected to latest version of mack's software. walmart plus members getting early access to black friday deals. the subscription service will allow members to access online shopping four hours earlier than others. and for the second straight year, walmart will run its black friday sales throughout november. that's more than just a friday, will. will: it is more than just a friday. thank you, carley. the cost of beef soaring 14% in less than a year.

but the big profits are going straight to the largest packing companies. not to the ranchers. now some of those ranchers are launching an effort to build their own meat plant. fighting to bring in more cash for their cattle. but can these plants pay ranchers more and still make a profit. sid miller joins us now. thanks for being with us. help us understand what is going here. beef prices are rising cattle ranchers are making less. why? >> it started some time back. back during the pandemic. a farmer would lose about $500 a head on a steer. that came out of the feed lot. the packers on that same steer was making a profit of 2500 to $3,000 that's wrong last may i wrote a letter to president trump and william barr demanding investigation into four big packers that control 80% of the

packing beef market. they did launch the investigation. of course, it's kind of wand since we had a change in administrations. we need to look into this that's not right. will: what's your suspicion, sid, are you presuming some type of collusion to keep prices down. prices paid to cattle ranchers on that cattle. that's a huge mark up. if you are talking about rattle ranchers losing money on processers making money. consumer paying more for beef something is not adding up there. >> the farmer loses, the consumer loses. only people winning in this scenario is the big four packers. so we need to break that up. it is a monopoly. you know, it's collusion price fixing all of that is what i suspect. we have got to get on it. one of the ways we can do it open up our own processing plants and go head to head with the big four and cut their percent of the market down and have an open market. other problem we have with big

packers they own their own cattle. if i want to sell my cattle to them this week and i don't want to take their price they pass over and give you less next week. we will process some of our own cattle. they need to be out of the cattle business because that even helps them manipulate the market. and actually they even manipulate the futures market, too. it's a multifaceted problem. will: really quickly here, commissioner. i know these cattle ranchers are looking to set up own meat packing plant the presumption is you pay more for cows at the head to pay more to ranchers at the cows. that's a tough business model paying more for original source meat that's going to put them behind the 8 ball how does that succeed ultimately i guess without investigation that you are asking for hopefully it goes forward. the committees have had hearings so that's moving forward. the way this -- excuse me, the way this works for the farmer is

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signing off for the final time for refusing to get the covid-19 vaccine. >> after 22 years being asked to leave because i am dirty. making people do this or losing your job is ridiculous. >> [cheers] >> here comes the winning run. [cheers and applause] brian: that is jacksonville, special thanks for the sun for coming up during my hour. it was pitch black during ainsley's hour. will is going to have bright sunshine. jacksonville the home of the jaguars. ainsley: finally won. brian: won on sunday in london at :00 in the morning against the miami dolphins. ainsley: tomorrow you get the

6:00 hour. bring the darkness into the light. ainsley: my hour. will: what else are we doing during your hour? ainsley: last week brian said that's his corner over there brian the curve. the kilmeade curve there was a lot of push back. we have to handle this internally. will: i'm new to the weekday show i don't know you walked around like a dog marking your territory on the weekday show. brian: i wouldn't use that analogy. i would say there are certain things that you pioneer. ainsley: brian's radio show used to be brian and friends. >> kilmeade and friends. he changed it to the brian kilmeade show. no more friends. all about brian. brian: what is will -- what's the name of your podcast. will: i never pretended to have friends. [laughter] brian: we have a lot to discuss this hour besides jacksonville, florida which is a beautiful place to live i understand. if you look out in off the coast of los angeles or long beach, you will see 70 barges, 70

barges that have been there for way too long. ainsley: full of our items. brian: some have been out there for months. can you imagine being on a ship for months? it's not exactly a cruise. you sit there waiting to get checked in because 40 pierce of all of our -- 40% of all these barges and all these offloads go to california. ainsley: it is a supply chain crisis. and pete buttigieg, who is now back from paternity leave the transportation searnght interviewed on several sunday shows yesterday. here's what he said about it? >> well, certainly a a lot of the challenges that we have been experiencing this year will continue into next year. but there are both short-term and long-term steps that we can take to do something about it. look, part of what's happening isn't just the supply side, it's the demand side. demand is off the charts. retail sales are through the roof. and if you think about those images of ships, for example, waiting at anchor on the west coast, every one of those ships

is full of record amounts of goods that americans are buying because demand is up because income is up. because the president has successfully guided this economy out of the teeth of a terrifying recession. brian: oh my goodness is that the most ridiculous spin have you heard? will: talking about a good problem here. to the transportation secretary. might go back on paternity leaving. comg having trouble coming off paternity leave. brian: could have told somebody you were going on paternity leave. will: what lesson if you disappear from your job or shut down from place of work for from some significant period of time. it's hard to get it back up and running. revved up. pete buttigieg having trouble getting back into the swing of work just like our economy. what is happening is the byproduct of hitting the kill switch on our economy for a long period of time. by the way letting that lingering kill switch make sure we don't have workers come back with the vaccine mandate. it's not that i have under my

toothpaste usage. ainsley: trying to find truck drivers. brian: they are 60,000 down before this gluted. ainsley: look at all of these shelves that are empty. #bear shelves biden was number one on twitter on fry day. prosecute friday.on thursday em. people sending pictures. sue leonard jr. who his family started a big grocery store stu lebanon nardz up here has the best ham. anyway, he was on with "fox & friends first" earlier. this is what he had to say about the problems at his grocery stores. >> in the 50 years our family has been selling food, and wine, i have never seen anything like this ever happening again. i think there is just -- it's like the perfect storm. everything happened at once. the labor rates are going up. the fuel costs are going up. you know, you are seeing supply chain issues. the white house has to do is not

make it easy for people not to work. i mean, we are deficit as far as hiring. we were only 93% our staff. we have to hire 1,000 people between now and the end of christmas. will: that's a story over and over whether or not you are doing a diner for "fox & friends" or any small business or for that matter any large company, you are under staffed. you are under capacity. brian: first time in my life i have ever seen that 41 days if you have something on a container ship. 41 days is usually the supply time. now it's up to 75. labor shortage on every step of it but this is good news according to pete buttigieg. who goes on paternity leave. let me ask something if he became president wouldn't he have taken off for through months? wasn't he running for president? will: how long job brian. ainsley: he defended it. i have premature twins. it's a hard job. brian: name a deputy or acting deputy. well my deputy took off.

well, tell somebody. could you have told the public? this is an important job. i also know i'm not comparing the two but i also know a very important lawmaker who didn't just get married one weekend canceled the honeymoon when he did get married because what happened in kabul. getting so many calls to get people out of the country. i have got to put everything off this is an emergency. even though he is spinning it positively. there is nothing positive about what is happening there. so far electricity is up 5%. foods is up 4%. 4.6%. kids shoe up 1%. meat up 17%. used cars up. possibly the biggest 42% gas suspect. don't worry about it joe biden is just walking around restaurants over the weekend, going to the beach. don't worry. don't let it bother you. when the last time the president was upset about what is happening in afghanistan? worried about those people over there. going to talk and take questions about the increase in prices? ainsley: let's talk about the governor's race in virginia. todd piro joins us live with top democrats stumping for terry

mcauliffe in that tight gubernatorial race. a major bellwether for the left in 2022. todd? >> democratic super star hitting the campaign trail for terry mcauliffe. take a look at this. a recent poll revealing that mcauliffe is leading the contested race at around 49%. republican opponent though glenn youngkin trailing by 4 points within the margin of error. this is basically a toss-up. with such slim margins mcauliffe calling for backup. failed georgia gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams realing in key areas for the black vote. two charges. abrams mixing church and politics saying voting is an act of faith. s this a kamala harris hopping on the same train pleading with congregants to vote blue. video message will air during morning supervisors in more than 300 churches through november 2nd. she said quote terry mcauliffe has a wrong track record of getting things done for the people of virginia. the real big guns former

president barack obama is also going to stump for mcauliffe this saturday in richmond. a new report claims 9 progressive loudoun county prosecutor who sought to jail that father of that girl allegedly raped at school is a close ally to mcauliffe. he fund raised and campaigned for her in 2019 saying she would bring, quote, real criminal justice reform to virginia. back to you. ainsley: stacey abrams said once believed it was wrong to mix church and politics. told by mother politics is always in the church. this is a major act of the faith. will: i'm a little surprised it's this close with terry mcauliffe. we are all at different stages in our parenting and lives. i think, brian close to grandchildren, grandfather? brian: why do you ask? brian: no, not yet. will: i'm kidding. all of our kids are slightly apart in age. it puts me into a situation i hear from a lot of parents at my kid's school and they reasonable

doubt fired up about what is making its way into their schools into their children's education. i'm talking passionately motivated. your daughter is a little bit younger than my son. this is a motivating voting issue. and it's big in virginia. it's big in loudoun county. ainsley: loudoun county and fairfax. fairfax is the county next door. i have so many friends pulling their kids out of school. changing schools because of this critical race theory that is making it into the classroom. one friend who is in charlotte. charlotte, north carolina. i'm not surprised when it happens in, you know, new york city or in seattle or that kind -- portland. i am surprised when it's happening in south, too. she is pulling her kids out. they have been at the same school for 8 years. she is pulling them out because she doesn't like the direction of the teaching. brian: you would know because you're a lawyer. i didn't think you could go into a church and politic. so why is stacey abrams talking politics in a church? evidently, vice president harris cut a tape and went to 300 black virginia churches. i didn't think that you could be

tax exempt and be a political and talk politics in church. will: legally, i think it would be a very hard thing to parse. like where are you walking the line between politics and issues. brian: she is not trying to walk the line telling people who to vote forte church. what is kamala harris cutting a tape for. the vice president telling people where to vote? will: speaking of this race and how it's going to be a bellwether for 2022. the glenn youngkin the virginia republican nominee will be on the faulkner focus today at 11:00 a.m. eastern. ainsley: i'm surprised it's so close, too. mcauliffe has the name recognition. so for the republican and has been in politics since we all got in this business. so, to see a republican do so well in a tight race, this is definitely bellwether for the midterms. brian: and there she is. ainsley: that was at a rally after they went to the churches. brian: gail and peter was on the

u.s. commissions on civil rights standing up to progressives on education. teachers unions on "fox & friends" earlier. teachers unions are august in for terry mcauliffe. but are the parents? listen. >> the progressives understood that they touched a third rail with critical race theory and some of the other lunacies pervading education and so they wanted to suppress that i think this is something that you have, you know, terry mcauliffe and others saying parents shouldn't be involved in this. they understand they want to suppress this because it doesn't auger well for the political prospects. >> what we have seen are parents should be proud of. they are doing what parents are supposed to do. the notion of going to a school board and objecting to the way students are being taught, that's important and an important part of what it is to be an american. ainsley: there are it 8 members. will: they are not suspected terrorists. ainsley: wrote a letter to the a.g. demanding examples. they said they combed the

internet looking for examples of how parents are domestic terrorists all they said how they found how proud they were of these parents standing up. they don't condone violence. if there is some sort of a scuffle or something that happens at one of these meetings, yes, you call in law enforcement. does it need to be the fbi? is this really a national problem? what these parents are doing? brian: yeah, we're going to take a look at that. that's not going away or nor is it just in virginia. meanwhile, 13 minutes after the hour. no doubt about it one thing president trump has effectively done is educated this entire country that china is our number one economic and military enemy. they need to be confronted directly no. longer can we say give them aid. make them part of the family of nations. and the threat will be diminished. instead, they steal our technology. they have an imbalanced trade relationship with every free country. and they try to dominate others with this belton road program which is essentially extortion.

build bridges and roads take something back. look what's happening in brazil. now you find out in august we have gotten confirmation that the chinese have set off a hypersonic missile that reached speeds of 21,000 miles per hour. it circled the earth and surprised everybody in america. our intelligence agency had no idea they were capable and this far advanced and it would breech over one of our missile defense systems. ainsley: taylor is a professor at mit and said it would be destabilizing if china fully developed and deployed such a weapon this just shows you how far they have progressed. china has progressed and it's very scary. will: the difference between a ballistic missile, ballistic nuclear weapon and hypersonic a missile goes up and out and back. in it's a huge arc into orbit essentially and coming back down on intended target. this flies low trajectory across

the globe more maneuverable. this is a game changer. you had fascinating interview with k.t. mcfarland where she was talking about what a game changer this is and what it means for china and what china wants to accomplish. ainsley: and it's our technology. >> this is game changer technology. it has a missile system that we could not detect when it was fired. we will not be able to shoot down. here's the u.s. intelligence community getting it wrong. we didn't know when it was going to happen. we didn't think this would happen. this is not just the only thing china is doing. china is doing a whole range of weapon systems. a whole range of economic warfare. this is part of a bigger chinese plan. and the thing that is so maddening, brian, guess where the chinese got the technology for this. this was an american program. the hypersonic weapon program that the obama administration canceled. it's our technology and they built the weapon. brian: we put $3.8 billion on an

annual basis to develop hypersonic missiles and our program, it looks like russia and china have the same thing. this is a brand new -- this is a brand new defense race. this is brand new challenge. ainsley: remember when robert gaetz, who was the defense -- former defense secretary under president obama. remember when he said that joe biden was wrong on nearly every foreign policy issue? he doubled down on that. i watched yesterday, he was on anderson cooper "60 minutes." listen to what he said about the threat of china. >> i think this is a place where president trump got it right. he basically awakened americans and i would say especially the business community to china that the assumptions about which we had gotten wrong. and the assumption for 40 years was that a richer china would be a freer china. that's clearly not going to happen. but there is another piece of this puzzle with china and that is the economic side. chinese now manage something

like three dozen major ports around the world. they are the biggest trading partner of more than half of south america. they are everywhere. and what are we doing in these nonmilitary arenas to compete with the chinese? will: what a major story. brian: other thing is it's not good news for china. bad news. mills power can you say, troubled are property less construction materials. floods disrupted business in the northeast and construction basically ground a halt with 800 separate projects. they have built cities that are empty. will: what happens when your economy falls apart saber ratling. brian: distract people say i'm going to go after taiwan and maybe do it. ainsley: there is also covid. brian: never hun most about it. said a few thousand people died. we know that's not true. will: i can account with ainsley

she told us she watched jaguars patriots. she watched "60 minutes" i know what ainsley was doing throughout the whole day. brian: went from cowboy game it "60 minutes" delayed because of the game. she set there camped out we don't know if she had new nachos orquesadillas. >> did i get a call zone and causal pizza. will: california pizza on splurge day. ainsley: it's so good. i don't know how healthy it. carley: did you not eat glutton? be. brian: california steak they slice california and baked it called a steak. should not be allowed.

ainsley: it's for the vegans. carley: ainsley recently brought up cody so i'm going to turn to headlines and talk about mandates. today is the deadline for workers in washington state to get the covid-19 vaccine. one state trooper choosing to turn in his badge instead. that officer delivering a strong message to the governor during his final call. listen. >> this is my final sign-off. after 22 years of serving the citizens of the state of washington, being asked to leave because i am dirty. 1034 this is the last time you will hear me in a state patrol car. it. carley: officers choosing not to get a shot will not be immediately terminated subject to ha hearing where they can present a hearing for not getting vaccinated. on to a fox news alert. americans are among those on board an evacuation flight getting ready to take off from kabul airport. they are heading to doha qatar

to be processed app flight 350 people left the taliban controlled average yesterday. among them are u.s. citizens as well as students and staff of the american university of afghanistan. michigan governor breachen whitmer is in hot water. the democrat's re-election campaign reportedsly may have to return or donate more than $3 million from excess contributions. the state's republican party filing a lawsuit accusing whitmer of misusing a recalling exemption to surpass donor limits. if there is no recall, which is likely, whitmer will have to cough up that surplus cash. and take a look at this. dog shoes that look like crocs are taking the internet by storage. the shoes are only for decoration and not for walking your dog. it hasn't stopped people from buying them. they are currently unavailable on amazon. one instagram user bought a pair for pug he absolutely hates them. they are cute, clearly we are

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brian: chicago reeling from another violent weekend. 4 people killed, 21 shot including three kids. vaccine mandates and nationwide anti-police sentiment, next guess says the pd is dangerously short anyway what happens after the mandate goes into effect. chicago alderman brian hopkins joins us now. brian, can you describe to me the sentiment now between the

mayor's office and the police force? >> yeah, it's a very bitter personal fight right now. that's one of the reasons we that we saw such resistance to the idea that we're simply asking our police officers to tell us if they are vaccinated or not. it seemed like a reasonable request. and, yet, the reaction from the police department's leadership and others was absolutely defiant. they didn't even want to talk about it. they didn't even want to tell us if they ever intend to get vaccinated. and a lot of that stems from the personal battle between the mayor and the police department right now. they are just clearly at odds over a variety of issues. brian: right now looks like police union is against the mayor. but the police chief is with the mayor. how many -- how does this get worked out because roughly you guys are already down in the miss force. how are you going to handle even if you lose 10% of your officers? >> well, we are down probably

right now 20% from what our peak staffing level used to be. we have about 11,500 right now. we are already short. when you factor in the possibility that many officers are either going to quit or engage in some sort of work stoppage rather than disclose their vaccination status it would have exacerbated an already problem of being short. fortunately, the fear over the weekend that we were going to have thousands of officers not come in, that didn't come to fruition. from what i could tell, nearly everyone who was supposed to work this morning, you know, got up and put on the blue shirt and the badge and went to work. so, you know, kudos to them for rallying and doing their job. even though they have this political issue that they are trying to resolve. so we got through the weekend with a minimal amount of difficulty. there were some problems. in fact, we had another police shooting last night in chicago's garfield park neighborhood. two police officers were fired

upon. thank god the bullets missed their mark. but it does highlight the dangerous job these men and women do every day to protect and serve us. brian: what is the drop dead date right now for when the cops have to be vaccinated? >> you know, it's really a moving target. we had a hard deadline of midnight friday to report "your report yourvaccination status. we are going through that the data now to reported who disclosed and who didn't. you know what? i will just admit it i'm not vaccinated. we are going to interscreen on a case by case basis. see what they need. what kind of support or encouragement or maybe put a karat on the end of that stick to do it. we are offering them an option to engage in voluntary covid testing so twice a week you can get a test and instant test and see what your status is. and you know, try to get through the next few months that way while we work this out. we don't know for sure how many of our 11,000 police officers

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will: texas governor greg abbott says the crisis at the border is getting worse and president biden is doing nothing to stop it? >> we are seeing the highest number of cross border crossings and all because of the catastrophic open border policies. the cartels are getting even more aggressive and the cartels on the mexican side of the border, they are beginning to open fire on the national guard that the texas has down on the foward secure the border. the biden administration has completely abandoned all of the people who live on the border. they have abandoned people in the state of texas. ainsley: here to react is acting dhs secretary and heritage visiting fellow chad wolf. good morning, chad. >> good morning. ainsley: why won't the biden administration do more to stop this? they are shooting now at our

national guard officers, so much fentanyl is coming through. illegal immigrants are walking over the border. and they are allowed to stay. >> well, what we have seen from the administration really from day one is just a roll back of all the effective policies that have been put in place over the last two to three years during the trump administration. and they are really handcuffing border patrol from doing their job day in and day out. they stopped building border wall system. they stopped giving them the tools and resources they need to do their job. and this is a matter of leadership. making sure that from the president to the secretary of dhs that they are taking a hard line with mexico and with others, particularly when we see this type of violence along the border. you know, firing into the united states and having cartel members in the united states, you have got to be very direct with the government of mexico and have them do more and step up their screening and their police force along that northern border. it's difficult for them. look, i get it buff they have got do more at the end of the

day. wall will chad, this weekend on the weekend show here on "fox & friends." we had governor mike huckabee on. he said in his experience governorring personnel as much as it is policy. personnel becomes policy what do we take away from the fact that the biden administration is looking forward to pushing forward a confirmation hearing his pick to lead border patrol chris magness who has pushed for sanctuary cities in, for example, the city of tucson if personnel policy what do we expect from this nominee for border patrol? >> i think there is serious concerns with this nominee. start with his experience. he currently leads a police force of about 1500 folks. >> we have different in leading cbp which has over 63,000 individuals and law enforcement officers and it's not just border patrol border patrol and border security that does. it's international trade and travel. national vetting center. it's screening thousands of

individuals. there is a host of mission sets within cbp that this individual has no experience whatsoever. is he against the border wall system that will put him in direct odds with the men and women of the border patrol who have asked for that effective border wall system. not only the trump administration but also ask the biden administration. he is for sanctuary policies. is he for amnesty. has really advocated for a number of policies that put him on the wrong side of the majority of americans. brian: remain in mexico could come back. up to mexico to agree to it. will they? they in violation of international law the biden administration by doing this now what do you think? >> i think this is an interesting point very clear what we did during the trump administration. the remain in mexico program. unilateral action taken by the united states that the government of mexico toe must react to and provide facilities for. so this idea that it has to be agreed to is not actually

accurate. yes, you need to make sure that the mexican government is set up to take these individuals and you give them the resources to do so. but, it just depends on how this is implemented. if it's implemented effectively and robustly across the border, it can work. i'm concerned though that the biden administration will not implement it as it needs to be. ainsley: chad, thanks so much for coming on. will: thanks, chad. >> all right. ainsley: all right. coming up next. former defense secretary robert gates slamming the withdrawal from average it doesn't stop there lara trump reacts as robert gaetz claims biden has been wrong for decades. brian: ex! immigrationep point (sfx: continued vehicle calamity.) just think, he'll be driving for real soon.

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♪ >> you wrote joe biden is a man of integrity, still, i think he has been wrong on every major foreign policy and national security issue on the past four decades. >> i think he has gotten a lot wrong.

>> you think he made a mistake in afghanistan in the way he handled the withdrawal. >> yes. it probably did not need to have turned out that way. ainsley: former bobby defense secretary robert gates double doubling down on foreign policy record as he calls out the administration's handling of afghanistan. fox news contributor lara trump is here to react. good morning to you, lara. >> good morning, ainsley. great to be with you. >> good to have you on. he went through a few examples of other things he disagreed with. biden opposed every one of ronald reagan's military programs to contest the soviet union. he opposed the first gulf war. they didn't agree on afghanistan even when obama was president. and of course made a mistake on the withdrawal. what's your reaction? >> well, i feel like ainsley, only in the democrats' america can you be so wrong for so long about some things, fail is so many ways as joe biden did. really produced nothing for your constituents, the people that elected you into the offices you held. or the american people, and still find yourself in the

highest office in the land, which is exactly what we have with joe biden and it is very frightening now. it's not just that it is an embarrassment to america, which we know this has all been. the afghanistan withdrawal was an embarrassment to america. the invasion on our southern border basically makes us look like a joke. joe biden does not seem to be in control of anything as our president and to our enemies and adversaries across the world, they are watching. they are paying attention as evidence with what we saw china do with this missile. they have been watching joe biden make america weaker by the day and they are waiting for their chance to do whatever harm they want to do to america and so it is a very concerning thing, i think, as an american to see one someone in office right now. we brought that up point robert gates has made time and time again. and unfortunately, it's to the detriment of america.

you contrast what joe biden has done in such a short time in office with what my father-in-law, president trump did. look at the difference in leadership on the world stage. i mean, my gosh, we have isis he eradicated. certainly had a secure border under president trump. we had trade deal made with china. we had meetings to denuclearize the korean peninsula. two meetings with kim jong un. we had middle east peace agreements signed and all of that has just completely been trashed and thrown away thanks to joe biden's democrat party. ainsley: when it comes to the withdrawal of afghanistan. he went on to say that he blames -- he thinks that president trump and president biden share responsibility. do you agree? >> well, i think that whether a my father-in-law was doing from a very early point was trying to be strategic about it i mean, divosh, he hasn't ever been a politician before he became president and he was listening to people as i guess joe biden was not we know now listening to anyone about the way to do it. and so i think the ultimate goal

was to make sure that our troops got out safely that americans got out safely that we took our allies out safely. and you did not see that happen with joe biden. i can tell you it would have been a different scenario under my father-in-law. ainsley: lara, thank you for coming on. >> thanks ainsley. ainsley: hand it over to carley. carley: a manhunt intensifies for the gunman who ambushed three texas deputies leaving one dead and the others injured. >> because, if not, justice will come on our terms. justice, we will come when we choose and decide. >> deputies darryl gator and remain hospitalized after responding to a possible bar robbery. 30-year-old deputy careen atkins died from his injuries. police escorting deputy atkins remains to the funeral home. his wife recently had a baby. former president bill clinton released from the hospital after

spending six days recovering from an infection. he left the southern california medical center with wife hillary clinton. clinton gave a thumbs up when the reporter asked how he was feeling. couple returned to new york home where he will finish his course of antibiotics. kansas city chiefs quarterback patrick mahomes younger brother is apologizing for a tiktok video. jackson mahomes caught dancing on a logo honoring sean taylor standout nfl star murdered in 2007. the washington football team retired taylor's jersey number 21 on sunday. jackson mahomes since deleted that video. over to you. >> fox weather forecast. good morning, january nirvettle a little cooler across the northeast. a cold front move through weekend. take a look at the maps and show you where we are 50 right now. 44 in cleveland. 47 in chicago. even down south as well. 47 in memphis. 52 in atlanta.

that's very refreshing. past 24 hours. we had some insures across interior sections of the neechted. that's going to be ongoing today. the big story is going to be a couple of systems moving into the west. bringing beneficial rain alongs coast and snow for sierra, nevada as well as the rockies and we could see one to 2 feet. see that storm system behind it. that will move in on tuesday and wednesday. forecast prescription again fort most part along the coast is going to be rain. we are going so-to-see some interior section snow across the mountains. look at casper, wyoming. we could see winter storm warnings. showers will linger across the interior northeast. 72 degrees beautiful atlanta, georgia. 78 in houston. 84 in miami. cooler air moves in across the rockies. no big storm system a little chilly in the northeast things are going to warm up, ainsley back to you. ainsley: perfect weather out there. thank you so much. coming up dan bongino joins us

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have watched the series so far, that number continues to pickup, will? will: well that's including me, because i'm all-in, i've got one episode left to go, carlie, but speaking of series, that i am very into, this next guest has been the star or at least portrayed in a hit series, and that be "mind hunter." have you ever sat down, would you sit down with a serial killer, in the chilling new fox nation series now the killer next door the architect of the fbi's criminal profiling decodes the most horrifying and notorious serial killers like the infamous ed kimber. >> ed had this maneuver where he would get a tube of chap stick and put it in his hand and as he reached over to let the co -ed into the car at the same time he would drop that tube of chap stick in his press- gripped handle. this would prevent the door from opening from the inside. will: former fbi special agent john douglas is the host of the show and he joins us now. john i'm excited to be talking

to you. again i've seen you portrayed in "mind hunter" i'm familiar with your work and a junkie on all of these stories whether it's wikipedia, rob it holes or documentaries. if there is anything what is the commonality among all the serial killers that you have interviewed that you have investigated? is there anything that binds these guys together? >> usually, it's the background the early childhood, you find dysfunction, with all of them even someone like ted bundy, and you see in early childhood some of the dysfunction, indicators which is a good predictor of animal cruelty, fire setting as well as bed wetting, into the teens and then you start having this acting out forms of aggression even in the school room, and so if there's no one to mention early on i'm talking about by middle school that's known to for this child to model

or someone to take this child into their full law enforcement it be a good chance we'll be investigating one day. will: let's take a look really quickly at your special on fox nation, this one folks is on john wayne gacey. >> when i think of john gacey, they think of him as the killer clown. how is he able to get away with so many homicides without the police even knowing about it >> i don't take the case lightly because i'm accused of filling 33 young men and boys and 22 of them were identified. will: hey, john? you've sat down, you've been a unique position where you sat down and talked to so many different serial killers and you've been asked before, i might have seen the answer. is there one more than any other that left you uneasy that left you feeling, i don't know, fearful? >> the worst one, they are all pretty bad, but the worst one was a guy named bidiker out in

california and another guy named norris, they were convicted rapists and when they got out when they were so-called rehabilitated was to go out and to rape/murder teenage girls so they got in a van, they insulated the interior of the van and called it a murder m ac and went out on the hunt and what made the case sickening to me and to sit down across and listen to this guy because you have to show false empathy when you do the interview is that they take the torture of these girls and then they would play these tapes back to them later on in the future day. will: john i'm fascinated by it. we'll all watch the fox nation special i sent a note to my producers to book you for the will cain podcast we'll have longer to talk together. thank you so much. still to come teachers and parents are preparing to walk out of the classroom this morning. knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need.

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me as the president goes makeless during date night. >> rules as in democrats. i'd love to hear what dr. fauci has to say about this. >> for the win from 37, and the pittsburgh steelers win in overtime. >> ♪ bring me a higher love ♪ will: it's the beautiful sound of football and a beautiful shot of ocean city, maryland welcom ing you into "fox & friends" on this monday morning will cain, brian kilmeade and ainsley earhartdt with you on a day where there's a sense news is happening almost as you speak you've got vaccine mandates across this country, starting at least in washington, it's going to cost several in this case law enforcement officers their job. you've got china beginning to rattle its saber when it comes to missiles being launched, hypersonic missiles against all

notice of american intelligence community as we speak and so there seems to be as we talked a lot going on good morning, ainsley. ainsley: good morning we're glad to have you here. that was ocean city, maryland, one of brian's favorite shots we show because he says it is a city on the ocean. brian: right. that's how you label how it got its name. so there wasn't a lot of mystery to it, and ainsley finds that fascinating. ainsley: we are learning some news from our producers in our ear right now, some sad news, collin powell, four star general , secretary of state first african american secretary of state has died of covid. that is what reuters is reporting this morning. will: collin powell, 84 years old, we have this sense that news is breaking almost as we speak and there you have it. collin powell passed away from covid. brian: that's what we understand and this is just a couple weeks after we lost the general ordearno at the age of 65 to cancel and collin powell was weighing in on that and we find out this man who many people thought was going to be running for president at some

point and the report was his wife really didn't want him to do that, but was the secretary of state under george w. bush, came into prominent under the reagan administration, and of course, the persian gulf war, famous with the secretary of defense at the time, dick cheney , and collin powell leading that charge, devicing that strategy, coming up with the battle plan and then becoming a later years a best selling author. ainsley: just so terribly sad news to report this morning, because he was so influential and served our country, four star general, covid is just a virus that has taken the lives of so many amazing people. it's just sad to report. will: of course those are reports that was the cause of death for collin powell of course that will take time to confirm and understand exactly how that played out he was in the age demographic of the most vulnerable out there from that disease, but yeah, very very sad prominent figure to your point, brian, for the past i don't know , three decades here in the

united states of america, one whose star at one-time as you mentioned looked unlimited. brian: right. will: could have been leading this country from the highest of offices. brian: became very critical of his party in later years and said i did vote for barack obama twice, very critical of president trump and also, he is somebody that was within the george w. bush administration constantly battle locking heads with secretary of state rumsfeld, excuse me, secretary of defense, rumsfeld and i remember his comment after president george w. bush made a change that essentially collin powell was upset that you left rumsfeld in place, why would i have to go if rumsfeld is going to go. ainsley: according to information online he was born in new york city, in 1937. he was raised in the bronx, and his parents actually immigrated here from jamaica. he went to public schools he graduated from the city college of new york, earned a bachelor's degree in geology and then he

participated in the rotc program which led to becoming a four star general. he was awarded so many different awards, defense distinguished service medal four times, navy distinguished service medal, the air force distinguished service medal, the coast guard, the same award, the defense superior service medal and list goes on and on. will: first african american secretary of state. brian: they list in terms of somebody who designed the operation desert storm, he oversaw 28 crisis including the invasion of panama in 1989 he formulated the powell doctrine, which limits american military action unless it satisfies criteria regarding national security interest and the persian gulf war, we pushed them back and we didn't go for to eliminate saddam hussein.

that evidently was a decision that collin powell made and emphasized but he had the respect of just about everyone that he came in contact with and somebody who came into his own, as an officer, in the vietnam era. ainsley: it says he married alma johnson in 1962. their son michael powell was the chairman of the federal communications commission, the fcc from 2001-2005 his daughters were linda powell whose an actress and ann marie powell and as a hobby it says he restored old volvo's and saab cars. brian: there he is giving his speech laying out the case in the united nations about need to go into iraq. brian: it's always important ainsley as you're doing to remember this is a human being who has a family as well. the family, by the way, has post ed on to facebook, where they revealed that collin powell was fully vaccinated and was treated at walter reed, so they are appreciated.

ainsley: wow, fully vaccinated. will: this is what the family posted on facebook we can give it to you in their own words. former u.s. secretary of state and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff passed away this morning due to complications from covid-19. he was fully vaccinated. we want to thank the medical staff at walter reed national medical center for their caring treatment. we have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and great american signed from the powell family. ainsley: thoughts and prayers are with his children, and his wife. they got married in 1962. brian: the one thing is collin powell wrote a best selling book , his opinion was always sought after and one of these guys would go against his party and always say what he believed was the right thing to do, not with the party thing was to do. there was an era in which i think that many people said this is going to be the first african american president of the united states and they were convinced o of that in the mean time.

he is somebody that ronald regan he looked at somebody as a mentor for him, and so many in that administration saw the promise in which he had and played a prominent role with bush 41 too. ainsley: he was the united states deputy national security advisor under ronald regan and then he became the national security advisor also under reagan abdomen and then became the joint chiefs of staff under george h. w. bush and bill clinton and became the secretary of state under george w. bush. will: there will be many conversations in the wake of this death honoring this man, this public servant, this human being, whose a professional soldier for 35 years we can reflect on his life and we should. there will also be conversations about the fact he was fully vaccinated, according to his family and he died from complications from covid. we are beginning to see statistics like this grow in frequency. we know the vaccine does wane overtime in its ability to protect you from not just transmission and infection but severe complications and

hospitalization and obviously, death as well. we know it's beginning to spill over covid into the vaccinated population. again, collin powell in the direct age demographic that suffers the most from complications from covid, but i think everyone watching needs to be aware of limitations and protections and we have all offered ourselves through this pandemic in all of this our potential risk. ainsley: we've grown up with him he's been such a public servant and part of white house administration since we were young, and so this news is just so heartbreaking to learn while we're anchoring the show, everyone was in a good mood and then we heard this sad tragic news, he's 84 years old, served his country, four star general, grew up here in new york and the first african american secretary of state. brian: went to ccny, was able to say listen, i'm came from mea ger means, going through this using the military as my

back drop but impressing those with his intellect, the one thing about collin powell that i walk away with, at least three times he's been on fox & friends is no matter what happened he always got this aur a of calm, cool, calculated and smart, and that would play a valuable role i think in the american dialogue. when you pulled him in, he demanded respect just by the way he held himself. ainsley: i'm sure the bush family will be releasing a tam at some point this morning. will: it's a very accurate characterization. one thing you gleaned if you listen to collin powell talk it was confidence and calm and bringing confidence to those in his audience those that listened certainly seems like a measured public speaker, even if one disagreed with his opinions and many on the right and republican party, conservative, trump supporters disagreed with many opinions in the end but respect the life he lived, the verse he gave, and the demeanor with which he approached his service.

ainsley: he was a republican for so long and then became an independent when he disagreed with the republican policies. brian: what's kind of controversial too because in 2008, john mccain was running a military guy with his rich background, pro defense, you'd think the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff would go with it but he said the time for president obama, senator obama with him and then when it was mitt romney, he went with barack obama again, and he was one of those many critics of donald trump. meanwhile, let's bring in the robert charles former aniston aunt secretary of state under former secretary of state powell after his passing at the age of 84. robert, what's your reflections of this man? >> you know, just to get this news is tragic and i almost don't know where to begin except to tell you that this was probably one of the greatest men

to live during my lifetime. he was both a good and great man in the sense, i sat with him everyday for 450 days, and he never was different from the way that you just described him in public, except that he had a great sense of humor. he deeply cared about people. i think the magic was the trick to his leadership as it was to others that have been great leaders is that he really, he was a friend to all. he did not take things personal ly. that was probably one of the ways he got to the point in life that he got to, but he was an incredibly compassionate person. he cared about everyone. i could tell you stories one-time, my three or four- year-old daughter brought a bag of apples and he had 10,000 things going on in his life and 10,000 people he had to deal with but by 10:00 that night it was a handwritten note, a precious beautiful note handwritten to her in her hand,

so this is a man who in many ways personified the best of all of us and that may sound trite, but it's not. his was the example of how i've always tried to be. he was decent and honest with them, integrity was at the forefront, a self-critics easily as anything else. he never took things personally. can't tell you how many times something bad would cross his desk and he would just say they are having a bad day. ainsley: robert did you know he had covid? >> i did not. brian: robert he wrote that book on leadership and they have quotes from this book and leadership is solving problems the day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you stop leading them. they have either lost confidence that you can help or concluded that you do not care. either cases of failure of leadership, man have we been witnessing that of late. >> listen, this is a guy, i

swear to you i don't know, i'm sort of at a loss,, really for words. this is a guy who truly talked the walk. he lived the words that he spoke he was everything that you would have hoped in if he was a relative you would have loved to have him as a relative. as a boss, he was ever a listener, but as honest as the day is long, always optimistic. his attitude on things, perhaps he learned some of that in the military, maybe it was 10 years in ins, maybe he learned some of that with ronald regan but this is a man who was his own man and a great leader. listen if you can bring the political, foreign service and civil service altogether have them work together as a team basically because none of them wanted to disappoint you and they knew they had a mission and the mission was to be achieved. my job was helping us setup the police in iraq and afghanistan. there was not a day that i wanted to disappoint collin powell because this guy was

truly, he's a peri- paragon. in our generation in the generation of those who lived and worked in the last five or six white houses, anybody, there's nobody who was a better leader, no one who was more admired, no one who was more personally, i think, cherished and that's the tragedy is that leaders of that kind are rare. we won't see the likes of collin powell again for sometime. will: again if you're just joining us former secretary of state collin powell has died at the age of 84 from covid complications we're joined on the phone by robert charles who worked under collin powell for quite sometime. brian read a fascinating quote. collin powell lived a life of leadership as someone who worked under him, what would you say is the biggest either lesson or example you can point to that embodied collin powell's leadership. >> leadership is about

integrity and people and if you are good with your people, they will be good with you. if you trust them, empower them, and have the integrity to constantly be honest with them and honest with yourself about yourself and about what they do, absolutely anything can be done. he pulled off incredible things all over the world that people have barely even spoken about, but the things i'm telling you are the things that anyone who worked with him would tell you, and rich armitage was his deputy but god knows this is the man who was beloved. brian: yeah, he entered the army after graduating in 1958 served two tours in vietnam , was wounded twice, including during a helicopter crash in which he rescued two soldiers, so when he's sending someone to war he knew exactly what he was sending them to. he also knows of a failed experience and people look at vietnam that way and that was probably played into, robert, why he was, let's get in and out

in iraq the first time, correct? >> yes, i mean, he was, there are all kinds of military wisdom that came from powell and remember, this was someone who was the national security advise or for ronald regan when they brought down the soviet union. this is someone who he was almost larger than life. he had so many extraordinary experiences going back to vietnam but coming forward, through to being trusted by basically every president and more importantly, trusted by the american people. i don't know how many people i've bumped into who have said over the many years, boy, i wish he'd run for president. but he was an individual that was, his life experience was truly outsized and as a result, he brought all of that wisdom to the table every morning. he brought all of that wisdom to afternoon meetings. he brought it all and yet, and yet, he never, the best stories

i could tell you were stories that would make you laugh. he would make you laugh. he would bring stories of people and he taught in that way. he taught bringing his life experience to life around you but the two biggest attributes i have to tell you, this is a para gon of integrity who truly was toughest on himself when he made a mistake and honest about it and also, was very forgiving with those that made mistakes around him. be one-time he got upset with me and i stood in his door and turned around and felt the need to say i thought i'd made a mistake, an operational mistake and he already said his peace to me and immediately looked up and said nope, we're done with that, on. on to new things and that's the way he is and again it's an individual who i'll give you one other example. one-time, a staffer came, the state department buildings at over washington d.c., not all just at main state, and so somebody in one of the out buildings was coming for a meeting with me and when she got

there, she was kind of bemused, and i said what is it? she said well when collin powell came to the department he walked around all these buildings and he would say to us, i just want to introduce myself and said tell me your name and do you have any kids, tell me what you're working on. he must have done that with 2,000 people, and she said i bumped into him on my way to coming to see you, and he asked me by name, how my three kids are doing, and i thought that's stunning. who could do that? a caring person, only. ainsley: definitely. robert what an american story, his parents immigrated here from jamaica and he goes on to become a four star general and national security advisor, secretary of state, first african american secretary of state. i know he retired from the military in 1993 and there was speculation he was going to run for president and then he decided know the to run. do you know why? >> you know, i think it was,

i've only had a couple of very small conversations with him and they were very elliptic about that because you didn't, collin powell had a zone of privacy around him as ronald regan did but it was just a respect thing. you didn't raise something with him, we didn't, i'm sure we didn't agree on everything but he was admired so much that you respected him to the nines and as a result, you wouldn't raise something, but i think it was a calculation, i think he looked at it hard and for whatever reason, maybe a combination of his professional thinking about what politics is or was at the time, and unfortunately, is now, maybe a sense of timing in life, maybe family. at the end of the day, he just concluded that wasn't the right time for that action, and you know, here was someone who was the perfect strategist. he is the one who really author ed the idea of overwhelming presence as a military strategy, here is someone who was, i could give you examples which i won't on

this call, but of examples in his military life where he made absolutely rock solid decisions that if he hadn't, this country be in a much worse position than it's in. he did similar things at state. a man who again did not take things personally, who served and lived to serve and loved those with whom he served and loved the american people. will: former secretary of state collin powell has passed away. we have a statement from his family. they said the following. general collin powell former u.s. secretary of state and chairman of the joint chief of staff has passed away this morning due to complications from covid-19. he was fully vaccinated. we want to thank the medical staff at walter reed national medical center for their caring treatment. we have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and a great american signed, the powell family. talking to robert charles on the phone, who worked at the state department undersecretary powell, at the time.

robert, you talked about, i'm sorry? will: we also like to bring in general anthony tata. he was also deputy commanding general in afghanistan from 2006 -2007 general in the u.s. army, worked close with collin powell. general, what's your reflections of this stunning news? >> hey, brian. it's heartbreaking. he's a role model, an icon, in the u.s. military, our nation. he transcends the military into civilian leadership. obviously with his leadership role and u.s. government, and i met him when i was a young captain, working in the pentagon he was chairman of the joint chiefs and then went on later to command the same exact brigade, second brigade of the 101st airborne division that he commanded when he was it colonel and our heart goes out to him, his family and everyone that loves and admires this man. he's an icon and it's a real

loss to not only america but to the world. ainsley: any particular memories you want to share? >> i can remember he was testifying before congress one-time and i was that testimony in my uniform with two other folks that i'd been asked to go over there and he came up and chatted with us, and just stepped away from his table where he was testifying and what a gentleman. he came over, he was a four star general, we were captains and just a real leader, very interested in what we were doing there and a great conversation, and throughout the rest of my career, his leadership and his ability to ask good questions and listen and then really understand where you're coming from, it was a real example for all of us that were there at that time and throughout the rest of my career for sure. brian: he was the first african

american secretary of state being followed by the first female african american secretary of state condoleeza rice, but famously, general, he be starring with rumsfeld and their different visions of foreign policy especially as it related to the iraq war, and afghanistan, so to speak. could you talk about where they butted heads? >> well, you know, i think general powell very much loved soldiers and he came at everything from a, if we're going to do something, we better be sure about what we're doing for the right reasons, because men and women are going to parish on the battlefield, and i think that was why so many people, so many of us, loved this man because he came at it from a soldier's perspective, not a political perspective, and he brought an authenticity to the decision-making that perhaps other people didn't have and so as we think about all of the decisions in which he was

involved, and how my big memories that he struggled with the iraq war chemical weapons decision, and moving forward, we break it, we own it type of comment. brian: it's like pottery barn, you break it, you own it, when he went in. >> yeah, exactly and we broke it and we owned it and for better or worse, that was, and i'll never forget when he briefed on the desert storm, we're going to cut it off and we're going to kill it and that was at the time that was really harsh talk from a chairman of the joint chiefs, and he received a little bit of blow back for that but you know, mostly, he was admired for straight talk about this is war, this is combat, and we're going to dominate, we're going to overwhelm this overwhelming

force from collin powell. brian: he famously went up to the pakistan leader and said you are either with us or against us. we're going into afghanistan and they decided to be with us, at that time, but he's the one who set the ground rules. >> that's exactly right, and a lot of us were very happy he did that and we thought that might lead to even putting boots on the ground in pakistan, but collin powell' decision-making always came borne from his love for soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines and i don't think anybody could question that. he had the 10 rules that every day is a new day, the sun comes up, and get after it, and i can remember that in the pentagon, we all just absolutely revered the man, and rightfully so, because he was a great role model and example for everybody. will: general so much talk about his leadership, his independence what would you say in your

experience defined collin powell 's character? >> i think what i've been saying about being his decision-making being rooted, a loyalty to the soldiers and sailors, airmen and marines that served with him, he never saw himself as part of a whole as part of an organization, and while he was leading the organization, he never forgot where he came from, and that probably has a lot to do with where he came from, and his narrative within our society. he made sure that he never forgot the men and women with whom he served and that is why he is so revered. he's very different from many of the folks that we see even today within the political structure of that colin powell never

forgot. he was a young officer at one point in time that he was born and raised in less-than-perfect circumstances, and he is the most revered military figure that i can recall in recent history. brian: i guess when he was done , he had after the first persian gulf war, he had 71% approval rating, everyone thought for sure he be running for president at some point but the rumor was his wife, who he married, alma in 1962 was against him running for president for various reasons, didn't want him to do it and then bush 43 be naming him secretary of state. many people thought well that will be the launching pad so when bush is done, he'll be running again, but that didn't end well after the first term. he also was kind of bitter. he persuaded the world that iraq had weapons of mass destruction by the intelligence that was brought forward and he did it

very convincingly and he felt bad about that i remember, up until through his latest book. ainsley: general if you'll stay with us i know we have robert charles on the phone too. we haven't heard from him in a little while. i'm reading that when he was secretary of state he was unanimously confirmed by the u.s. senate. that doesn't happen much anymore what was his relationship with george w. bush like? robert, do we have you? okay, general, do you want to answer that question, do you know? >> can you hear me? ainsley: yes, sir. >> yeah, so let me just say, we're talking about someone that is very hard to summarize because he was such a larger than life person, even when you were with him, and so, you know, the short answer is this is a man who was very loyal, he was a soldier even as the secretary of state. he was loyal, i sat with him many times in national security council, he was always respectful of the president, was respect full of everyone actually.

brian: right. >> and the truth be told, he was a person whose incisive judgment was essential in the room. if you would ask, why didn't he resign after things that happened in iraq happened and they weren't what he thought they should have been or would have been, i think the answer that you would have gotten was that if you're the individual in the room whose giving, it was a loyalty thing. if you're about giving incisive i integrity answers to the president, then that's what you're there for and i'll just tell you to echo what others have said here, this is a man who cared deeply about people but was also an incisive thinker when you're in his presence, he was just such a great leader. you go, anything you ever done in life, whatever work or job you've ever had, you know the difference between a leader who cares about you, who listens to you, who is thoughtful about you, who guides you, who mentors you, whose thinking about you, whose also thinking about the world. this is a guy who juggled lives

of many many many people, with great care, and he did that, by the way, he is truly held affectionately by leaders around the world because he was such a trusted, good natured honest person and for every one decision he might have made that was wrong or didn't go the right way there are 100 or 1,000 that were right and went the right way. a nobel person, nobility is something that comes to mind but the worst part of it is he was also, you felt an unusual closeness to him because when he trusted you and was good enough to trust you and you did your job, you came away feeling even though it was probably true of, again, 10,000 people, you came away feeling he was your friend. he was with you. he was in this battle with you, and god knows, you know, we need leaders who have this ability to reach across to each other.

brian: and not play the politic s with everything. stick around, colin powell passed away at the age of 84, born in harlem, new york, to jamaican immigrants and rose to become the first african american u.s. secretary of state he passed away from covid. let's bring in ed remsy, former mcdonald's ceo, who spent a lot of time personally obviously out of uniform and what are your reflections of this man? >> well i first met secretary powell when he was in government , and he came to several conferences of coca cola senior executives and mcdonald's senior executives and had several lunches and dinners with him and we talked about leadership, he was a very honorable man. he was intense and passionate about character and discipline. he was a leader of man and he made me feel like i was his best friend in the world when he talked to me, even though i was seven years his junior and not anywhere near with the prominens

, he was a kind man , a smart man, a nobel man, and he loved our country and loved his soldiers, sailors and marines. he was a man that was dedicated to making the united states better everyday. later on in my life, i had the opportunity to talk to him about diversity and the workforce, and how i can do a better job recruiting young black and hispanic women into our company integrating them in such a way that they would become serious leaders and have the opportunity to grow and one of my past achievements was to have an african american become my successor at mcdonald's as president and ceo. colin powell had a big influence on me and i will be forever grateful to call him my friend and mentor. will: ed we've talked to much about leadership and character throughout the morning. we've heard from the military experience, the military side, people who have known colin powell in that capacity. you have have a unique

perspective with him. how did you see some of those same characteristics in his view on leadership translate over into the private sector? >> well, his soul was all about finding the best at everybody, amplifying it and giving them the tools they needed to become better everyday, and to get people to understand, all people, black, white, brown, whoever, that they could be more than they thought they could be, if they practiced their craft, studied their future, and thought about how they could be better everyday, and he had several principles he lived by and he gave me a list of things and said always think about these things. one of the things he said which i rely on often was learned to make new mistakes, learn from your past mistake, move forward, and think about the new mistakes you get to make and how you can grow your organization, how you can grow your people, how you can teach people to be better

than you, and he was all about elevating the person beyond what they thought they could possibly be. ainsley: ed do you know anything about his religious affiliations , was he a man of faith? >> not at all. he had to be a man of faith. i just don't know what denomination because when he talked, he talked about the san ctity of man and talked about how good people are and inherently all people are good. the circumstances keep them from being what they could be and we have an obligation to do everything we can to help them be better, and i think he gave his soul, his body, his brain to the american people in so many ways and when you were around him, you just felt better about who you could be, so i don't know what his religious affiliations were but i can tell you, he believed in something far more superior than any of us will: you know what? in his book, his 2012 memoire, c

olin powell, "it worked for me in life and leadership" he published 13 rules for leadership. i just want to ask you about a couple of these because you see a common theme, one, he said it ain't as bad as you think, it will look better in the morning. two, he said get mad, then get over it and then finally, number three, avoid having your ego so close to your position that when you're position falls your ego goes with it. everything about those three rules to me reads someone capable of separating himself from the noise around himself and focusing lesson yourself and what's the job at hand. >> well, i think the man had great instincts about management and all of us are going to get angry or upset about something one-time or another but you got to put it past you. you have to look for the greater good and he was so good at that. he found good in everything and he recognized the bad. i think one of the reasons why he was so tortured over the chemical weapon thing was that he bought the intelligence

and in reflection, he understood that it was a wrong decision, and there was nothing he could do about it at that point, but the fact of the matter is that he recognized that you have to be on guard all the time, that the facts you have before you are in fact the true facts. will: yeah. ainsley: thank you so much, ed, for coming on and weighing in on this. will: thank you. ainsley: we just received a statement from president george w. bush that says lara and i had s are deeply saddened by the death. he was a great public servant starting with his time as a soldier during vinted, many presidents relied on general powell's counsel and experience, he was national security advisor under president reagan, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff under my father and president clinton and secretary of state during my administration. he was such a favorite of presidents that he earned the presidential medal of freedom twice. he was highly respected at home and abroad, and most important, colin was a family man and a friend. laura and i send and their children sincere condolences as

they remember the life of a great man. brian: he had three kids, and he survived by his wife since he married in 1962 and he was the first cabinet secretary that george w. bush named and that is a fact that dana perino knows well she's getting set to host " america's newsroom" in 23 minutes but joins us now because she served in that same administration. dana, this is stunning to all of us. i imagine especially you. dana: well yes, i long admired him. i remember during the gulf war, this man is very impressive and then the fact that i actually got to meet him and work with him, work under him, really, as the secretary of state, it is just remarkable as ainsley as you were reading the statement and talking about his life in the previous segment , in the previous interview, you realize this man was such a man of consequence, and constant public servant serving all those years and i was surprised to read he was 84,

because in many ways, to me, he was ageless. in addition to all of the amazing work that he did as a military leader. one thing that people might not remember is he started an organization called "america 's promise" and that really encouraged civic engagement and volunteer work and there was a little red wagon logo and my good friend who had worked for president george h. w. bush then worked in his office in correspondence and she would tell me such amazing stories about him and then fast forward. i remember as a deputy press secretary standing in the back of the room in the east room one day and there was i believe it was karzi giving a speech and i was standing in the back of the room and colin powell happened to be next to me and i remember being very impressed by the speech and i said something to colin powell and i said wow, he is very impressive and colin powell gave me advice that

i've lived with ever since and he said, dana, just be aware of people who might be want to be dictators who speak very good english. that was so interesting. if you think about all of the leaders that we've seen come up through the ranks that america would like to support and unfortunately turns out to be somebody that you question in the end. i would also say he was someone of great stature. the way that he conducted himself i really commend his books to people out there, young people, who were looking to learn about leadership. he really was a professional and a public servant all the way through and i did not realize until i read president bush's statement that he earned the medal of freedom twice, quite an accomplishment. will: what can you tell us about the man or his relationship with president bush at the time. what was that relationship like? how was he essentially behind the scenes? dana: i think that in some ways one of the great things about him and the reason i think he was well-liked by both sides

of the aisle is that he was very authentic. he loved america, and he wanted the best for america. something that i do remember learning about, i wasn't there in the room for this but at one point, talking about national security concerns and worries, both condoleeza rice and collin powell go to the oval office and talk to the president about hiv aids and how it was devastating the continent of africa and there was a generation of young people that could be orphinned as their parents were dying at such a rapid rate and america had the capabilities and means in order to get anti-retro viral drugs to africa and how important it was for national security because hopeless societies end up, unfortunately, turning out people who turn radical and become terrorists but also because it was the right thing to do, and as i worked on decision points, president bush's book with him in that book tour that was something i came back to a couple of times in thinking how meaningful it was for him and for secretary rice to go in,

have the president say yes, let's do it and put the full backing of the united states into that. to me that shows that he was one not only somebody who cared deeply about protecting america, and america's power, but also, figuring out a way to spread america's goodwill throughout the world where it matters and where we could make a difference brian: if you think about his career path, so he has extremely high approval ratings, american people love him, want to know more and love his life story and when 2000 comes up and two terms of bill clinton are done, many people saying are you going to run, evidently his wife played a major role he said it's a calling i don't have and he quickly endorsed bush 43. i couldn't see governor bush running. dana: that's possible and if you go back i'm sure that today throughout the day you'll maybe see one of these clips. he spoke at the republican national convention to incredible applause and again, i think it's that authenticity.

his generosity of spirit but his commanding presence. he was a commander, and he was able to lead people, and not only lead our troops, but as 43 says in his statement, he was well respected all around the world by people especially in the middle east, and that made a big difference in order to be able to move forward, and he also was somebody who was willing to speak his mind. he had disagreements with president bush at times but because there was such great mutual respect between the two, then those conversations are ones that you can have, and then make decisions on be half of the american people from there. ainsley: we've heard so many stories. robert charles told a story about how he made a mistake and he was in his office and he apologized for it, talked about the mistake he had made and then he was walking out of the room and he turned around to apologize again, and colin powell said it's over, we're done with that and when you read the 13 rules for life he wrote in his book, he says

get mad and then get over it. there are always going to be days when events or people push you to the edge. when you do lose your temper, don't lose control at the same time. people always remember the leader with the bad temper and never in a good way, and he truly believed attitude determines aptitude doesn't he? dana: i think back to president george h. w. bush who worked with colin powell during the reagan administration and brings him in as his national security advisor, and has a relationship with him ongoing and they were of similar teller ment and learned from each other and relationships are really forged in fire, when you are under pressure, when a nation is under threat, when you have a national goal that you're trying to accomplish especially one complicated as building a coalition of the willing both in the gulf war and subsequently in the iraq war and afghan war after 9/11. i think also very interesting to go back today and reflect on his very personal reaction on 9/11 and the way he led the nation

after that, as a part of that team, part of the president's cabinet. that also showed somebody who had just a real understanding of america. he graduated, top of his glass in his rotc school. he was injured in vietnam. if you think about the scope of his life and then look back and realize i was surprised when i read he was 84. again to me, he felt a little bit ageless, and timeless but those 13 rules he wrote are so important for all of us to remember and they aren't just applicable to somebody who is wanting to be a military leader. they are really good for all of us. will: dana you mentioned the statement that ainsley read from george w. bush. let's revisit that statement from the former president. he said laura and i are deeply saddened by the death of colin powell. he was a great public servant starting with his time as a soldier. many presidents relied on general powell's counsel and experience, he was navalny navarro advisor under president reagan, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff under my father and president clinton and

secretary of state during my administration. he was such a favorite of presidents that he earned the presidential medal of freedom twice. he was highly respected at home and abroad and most important, he was a family man and a friend laura and i send alma and their children our sincere condolences as they remember the life of a great man. dana why do you think so many, i'm sorry, dana you're going to be up in about 14 minutes we'll let you get ready for your show. dana: thank you for the opportunity i really appreciate it. will: let's do this bring in casey mcfarland, deputy national security advisor under president trump, worked closely with colin powell under the reagan administration. we need to see you now in this moment your voice is important you have a personal experience, what's your very action? >> first i want to give my sincere condolences to alma and his children, they are a wonderful family and great role model. i first met colin powell in the reagan administration. i was the secretary of defense, a speechwriter he was the

military assistant so we were in and out of each other's offices a dozen times a day and colin powell almost wasn't, because he was a colonel, he was in the military, he hadn't gone to west point, and he was really passed over for promotion to general and during the johnson administration, the then-secreta ry of the army said hey, look, let's have another look at those people you're promoting and recommending for general. let's see if we can find minorities in there to better reflect the population of the military so sure enough, colonel colin powell became general colin powell and then the rest was history and the tragedy of his life, because he had wonderful jobs, enormous integrity, a man of great good humor and personal courage but i think a iraq was the tragedy of his life, he certainly said that to me in later years. brian: he said i should have smelled there was something wrong here, my instincts failed me because he gave that convinc ing speech, like we all did, weapons of mass destruction

in iraq and that'll be looked at because i think every fiber in his being believed everything he was saying then, he never would have been acting or saying anything he didn't feel was verify, he famously went there the weekend before and said show me everything and they gave that presentation, but going back to reagan, he seemed to always talk about ronald regan in grandious terms what did reagan see in him? >> i think reagan saw a true soldier. someone who was straight and honest with him who certainly had the same kind of upbeat personality that president reagan had, but also a man who earned the respect of the people in the military, the people under him and he worked well with others, so in a lot of ways, colin powell was a junior version of reagan, attractive, articulate, deeply patriotic the same way that reagan was. that's just something they sort of tried on and trotted out for a speech in the rose garden, but deeply felt the value of america, the opportunity of

america, if america is at its best, is when america has a strong military but never uses it, doesn't have to use it, and the people of america are its greater resource that's why i think in colin's later years he spent a lot of time mentoring young people. ainsley: tell us about his personal life, his family, his kids, do you have any stories that you can share with us? >> well, he was going to come to my wedding in 1985 and i left the pentagon at that point, got married in washington d.c. and i invited colin. at the last minute he said look, it's a really beautiful day. i love you, you're not going to miss me at the wedding i'm working o in my car. he was a great amateur car repair guy, and just loved tool ing around underneath a car, you know, back to one of those machines that rolls around , and fixing cars. the great thing about him is that in a time when washington was becoming even more political , he really maintained a grounded sense, very close to his wife, deeply religious, and

law enforcement was somebody, i look to today and look at the woke political generals and they are all worried about their reputation and whether they are on the right side of politics. colin powell was a giant if you compare him to the pigmy's of today. brian: you know what's interesting is, kt, if you look at the fact, he butted heads with dick cheney, and with rumsfeld. so what? you're there to give differing opinions and perspectives but it was done in a way in which people are right about it and then it's up to the president to do his best to decide who was right in that situation, and, you know, if you were an experienced person, you are the first persian gulf war, dick cheney secretary of defense that's a strong personality, you have bush 41 already a war hero by the time he's 19 and there's a lot of experience. who says they all have to agree? i think that is a good way to have a government where you get differing opinions with rich

experience. >> yeah, and the point of that, and that's an extremely important point to make, brian. it's a job of the president to get competing opinions, competing advice and then it's the president's call. i remember asking colin powell after oh, maybe we had been about five or eight years into the iraq war when it clearly wasn't going well and i said well didn't you go in with your arguments, into the state department, meetings, didn't you take their briefing to the white house situation room? i knew the state department had very elaborate plans for a post- saddam hussein iraq and how it should be governed and how the united states could hand it over to the iraqis and he said, you know, i went into those white house meetings thinking that i had an opportunity to speak, and he said but the decisions had already been made before i even went into the meeting, and i think by that he was implying that the neocons of the bush administration, the vice president, and others in the administration, were so

pushing for iraq, for a whole lot of reasons. some good, some not so good that colin powell's voice, the most experienced military guy, well thought of and respected leader and yet, i don't think he had an opportunity to weigh in at least have his voice be heard when he weighed in in those councils of war. will: kt, i find it interesting your comparison of colin powell to the generals of today. he not just famously changed his mind, changing his political party moving from republican to independent. when you look at colin powell what is it that makes him different than the generals of today? >> there was a point in 1999 when hem were urging colin powell to run for president so this was before september 11, and he gave it long and hard thought. i said to him, and i know a lot of other of our colleagues said, you do it, i'm in. i'll drop everything, i'll help you run and at the end of the

day, he decided look, that i just don't have that in me. i'm not, frankly, i'm not nasty enough to be a political animal in that regard, and i think in a lot of ways that made him, in my mind, a greater man. i have no doubt, however, that in 1999 if he made the decision to run in 2000 he would have won , would have been president and we be on a very different trajectory. he was one of the great men that i've met and i revere the opportunity i had to be mentored by him in a certain way he used to joke at the pentagon and said oh, i'm the token black , you're the token woman, let's go into meeting now. ainsley: there's a list of his leadership list, kt, and i think it's important we go through this just because there maybe some children watching, or some individuals that want to go into the military. number one, he says, it ain't as bad as you think. it will look better in the morning. number two, get mad then get over it. number three, avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position fails,

your ego goes with it. number four, it can be done, be careful what you choose, don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision. you can't make someone else's choice, check small things, share credits, remain calm, be kind, have a vision, be demanding, count take counsel of your fears or naysayers, perpetual optimism is a force multiplier. how wonderful. >> those are great lessons not just if you're thinking about joining the military. those are great lessons for life brian: yeah, kt, thanks so much appreciate the insight, twice in one day. i wish it wasn't such a sad situation, but to get personal up close and personal with someone that spent so much of this country over the last 50 years is great. thank you, kt. ainsley: thank you. will: thank you. brian: if you look back the other thing he represents in the whole, that i don't care if you sided with him over rumsfeld , you thought he would have been a great president, doesn't matter. it is that whole idea that in

america doesn't matter where you're from, you can accomplish anything when two jamaican first generation immigrants come to new york city and like so many end up in harlem, and then you have a chance to go to college and ccny is a great reputation most affordable college you can get , not west point, at which time maybe they paid for it, rot c is the way he sees potential in that. i think i want to do this for a career and as he does he goes to war, gets wounded twice, emerges from that war, people see the potential in him maybe he right place or the right time and he ends up a colonel, a general, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, secretary of state, national security advisor , with three different presidents, and best selling author. it's that whole idea of the american dream. it can happen. ainsley: it is the american dream. brian: not easy in the 60s being african american either whether it's north or south. will: that is a wonderful american story. type of story that can only take place in the united states of america. it is a sad day to lose such a tall figure as we talk to people throughout the morning, as we

talk to people throughout the morning who have known him, i think my takeaways are clearly this man was an unquestioned leader, meaning people turned to him for counsel, for advice. we know numerous presidents did so throughout his career, and the word that keeps breaking through for me when i hear testaments as to who he was and read his 13 rules for leadership is almost stoick. it's everything a separation of your ego and who you are from what it is you have to do, and that sort of even keel, that sort of necessity of calm is i think what made him somebody that president after president after president could turn to. ainsley: after interviewing these four individuals who knew him very well i think what comes to mind for me is character. my dad always says there are two things you can control and that's your reputation and your character and all of them has said he was an exemplary man, he was a great leader. he was a great role model, one of them said he always looked at and made decisions through the eyes of the soldier.

so any decision he made, he would think about how this is going to affect all of my men and women that are fighting for this great country. they say he loved this country, he had a sense of humor, and he didn't take things personally. brian: right. and i think that when a lot of people are looking at bush 43, be the 43rd president, he's so young, you know, what experience does he have, he's two-term governor in texta six years in he's running for president and they say one of the first things we'll do is hire experienced people and the first person he names is secretary of state colin powell that immediately made people feel a lot better and then he brings in dick cheney vice president and people said we'll have a lot of experience around him, donald rumsfeld did not serve with bush 41 when he came in, there was some friction between them two, i think cheney and rumsfeld were tight and i think times the secretary of state looked as an outsider but i harkened back to in the 2016 race, when colin powell's name emerges on the hillary clinton e-mails and he feels as though he's being

used in some of the stuff he had written back then is being used for hillary clinton's benefit, and he indicates that he thinks hillary clinton basically is a friend of his, but is lying through there. he also thought that donald trump, the 45th president, was ill-equipped to be president. he thought he was not somebody he could get behind was a big critic of bush of trump the 45th president, and he hadn't voted for republicans since he was bush 43. ainsley: he was republican and he changed to an independent. will: ainsley you brought up covid. look this day will be a day for many things for remembering the man, the leader that was lost. it's also a day to understand the implication on everyday americans, and the reports are he died from complications of covid. the family made a point in their post on facebook this morning, that colin powell was fully vaccinated, and as americans out there wonder what lies ahead for them and they search and they need truth moving forward, we're seeing data from across the world. we're seeing data from europe,

from the uk, the fully vaccinated people are being hospitalized and fully vaccinated people are dying from covid and here we have a very high profile example that is going to require more truth, more truth from our government, of our heath leaders as well. as we talk about this story on a day when state after state and institution after institution are pushing mandates for vaccination. brian: and this time the country is very divided one thing that's clear you'll get both sides of the aisle weighing in just as strongly with colin powell because i think it was pretty hard not to have the great respect the person he was and what he's achieved. ainsley: his parents were immigrants from jamaica. this is as you were saying the american dream, the american story, and he found a way to pay for school through the rotc, ended up becoming a four star general and such a leader in so many different administrations. the 65th secretary of state, first african american, and he is dead this morning at the age of 84 leaving behind his wife al ma, his son and two

daughters. brian: father of three, and i imagine he's going to get full claim when it comes to laying in state in the capitol building i imagine. ainsley: i'm sure. will: all ready we'll turn it over now to america's newsroom picking up the story thank you for being with us on fox & friends as they continue the breaking news that general c olin powell died at the age of 84.