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were finally cut off from their vital daily supply of donald trump. they were going to collapse in a pile and that's exactly what they have done, they have collapsed.sd on tuesday, not a single show on cnn, once most important cable news channel ine the world -- this is cnn -- not a single show on the whole channel approached 800,000 viewers. that is really low. chris cuomo would be better off doing free concerts in the park which in fact he may be doing. with trump gone, the old formula no longer works. that is easy to understand. what is more confusing, harder to understand is how they have responded to this. let's say you've made billions of dollars over the years selling rice crispy treats to a hungry public. dentists may have complained about what you were doing but for you, it was always a great business and you assumed it would go on forever because we always think everything good will go on forever, but it doesn't. over time, consumers started to figure out that a marshmallow coated breakfast cereal, not a healthy food option. tastes great at first, eat
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enough and it starts to make you feel sick.ea so they began to buy less of what you were selling. following this? how would you react to that? if you were smart you would just rebrand. you would change the color throw in some vitamin additives, rename the product, you might call it crunchy kale treats or healthy life nutrition bars.ou if you figured out that people don't want sugary garbage, they want something that is good for them, so you would sell it to them. that seems like a rational choice. what you probably wouldn't do il you were selling rice crispy treats to a rapidly shrinking market is convince yourself you are not in the snack food business but on a mission from god. you would not claim n that eatig marshmallows is a vital moral imperative. you would not attack your ownn consumers for preferring something else. you would not denounce them as morons or racists for eating less sugar. you wouldn't try to ban the atkins diet, that would be insane..
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you would go bankrupt if you did that. and yet that is exactly what the legacy media have decided to do as they face extinction. they have amped up the moral outrage, turned the self-righteousness all the way up to 11, and above all, they've pretended that nothing has changed and that donald j. trump still strides the horizons, the great orange colossus, who threatens the very existence of this fragile nation. we are not overstating it. here's a recent sample of cable news. keep in mind as you watch, every one of these clips was recorded this week. >> election officials are growing more fearful for their lives as donald trump continues his big lie. >> president trump continues to push lies about the election electoral results across the country. >> where would we be today if the trump white house simply listened to the science? >> trump wants to overturn the next election, he wants to overturn the last one, he wants to limit voting and overturn elections at the state level. >> mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy denounce the
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insurrection, denounce donald trump. >> trump has found a surprising new platform to spread the big lie. >> the thing with trump is trump is always bad for democracy. >> it has metastasized beyond president trump. i hear you there. however the original cancer was president trump. >> tucker: what a freak show. no wonder no one watches, who would watch that? listen to what they are saying trump wants to overturn the next election, screams the pudgy midget. they all do. okay, got it. but donald trump is no longer the president of the united states., he's golfing in florida, good for him. how about covering what isum happening in america right now? a ton of change. maybe you could explain it to us or even tell us about it. no, they refuse because they are caught in an earlier age. they can't adjust to a new reality. depressing when you think of it that is going to be all of us someday. it is certainly very sad for them. a few years ago hosting a sunday show on television was s
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considered a very big deal in washington. now, nobody cares. it's irrelevant. imagine if you were the host of one of those shows. chuck todd doesn't need to imagine, he is the host of one of those shows. he spent his entire life trying to get this gig, only to discover that once he got it, it is not worth having. no wonder he seems so bitter and fragile. here he is earlier this year. >> this was started when theh mainstream media stopped dropped any pretense of being unbiased and chose sides during this election. this fire was started when you completely ignored, for example, our investigation of hunter biden. no evidence of wrongdoing and we find out, there is a fair amount of evidence we have a real fbi investigation. >> senator, all right -- >> listen, i have had enough of this, too -- >> last year --en >> a situation where republicans and conservatives do not trust the mainstream media and that is what has destroyed the credibility of the media and our institutions --
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>> the election -- >> tucker: senator, i've had enough. chuck todd can't even bear to listen to someone criticize the american news media. he has to now, settle down, check. no one is interested in what you think anymore. your moment l of authority is lg gone, along with irrelevance. you are shouting into the void you all are. they all know that. but rather than accept the truth about them and their careers or require brand-new scale, that would be nice, or gracefully retire, this is coming from all of us, they won't.e they have one final hope for keeping the scam alive, and it's censorship. the dying media companies have convinced themselves that somehow they can get the government and their friends at the tech monopolies to shut down their competitors and maybe keep it going. maybe they will be important maybe we can return to 2003 when people delayed their golf games
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to watch "meet the press." that is their goal, diluted as it is. it explains why all of a sudden journalists, of all people, are leading the charge against the first amendment that you thought made their jobs possible. they hate fox news so obsessively, and sub stack too. this is the key to their campaign against what they call misinformation. if you are a literal minded person, we certainly are, you laugh every time you hear them say that. c c aren't they the exact same people that tell us that putin got trump elected? that a high school kid fromuc kentucky was in the klan? yeah, same people. of course they are not against misinformation. obviously. the point is they want to restore their monopoly on it and that is what they are trying to do.o. we want to bring you an update. at the top of the show tonight the virginia governor's race
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that race took a bizarre and deeply revealing turn today. several people carrying torches neo-nazis, showed up in front of a campaign bus for glenn youngkin, the republican candidate. they chanted "we are all in for glenn." the entire internet exploded, of course. every left-wing influence or on was telling you glenn youngkin is a nazi. it turns out these are not actually glenn youngkin supporters. it's an amazing story, really and fox news' kevin corke has it for you now. >> amazing indeed, my friend. evening, tucker. when in doubt, try the race card, at least that is what critics argue is really in play in virginia. a desperate attempt by democrats alto impugn by association the g.o.p. gubernatorial candidate glenn youngkin because their man terry mcauliffe is trailing in the polls with time running out. the liberal activist group the lincoln project is claiming responsibility for that demonstration outside his campaign bus that recalled the
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2017 charlottesville attack, dressing up as unite the right attendees. however, the team is saying this was not us or anyone affiliated with our campaign. however, several members of their staff promoted the posts for hours online before deleting their posts. just a couple i can share with you, this is disgusting and disqualifying. another campaign spokesperson said they unite the right rally was one of the darkest days in the commonwealth's history. this is who glenn youngkin supporters are. obviously we know these were not glenn youngkin supporters, these were all actors, and i can tellw you this too, a lot of peopleen were talking about including glenn greenwald. he says the campaign condemns the stunned after they spent all day pushing it as proof of his racist ties. i can share this also, t there s credible evidence to suggest at least one of those so-called
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actors was herself a democratic operative with joe biden as part of her twitter bio, of course it was changed and later locked. tucker? >> tucker: amazing. kevin corke, i can't wait to hear the details of this. thank you so much. it's a shocking and remarkable story, but the timing is pretty incredible. it was, i don't know, maybe 12 hours ago that the rest of the country was lectured by liz cheney, by nancy pelosi, by thet entire edifice of the americany left that false flags aren't real. nobody in this country, no political actor would ever pretend to be somebody f else or discredit political opponents that is a conspiracy theory. it is racist, actually, to suggest that, yet that is what this looks like. in fact, that is what this was. glenn greenwald, you just heard his name. he's the most independent of independent journalists.
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he writes on sub stack amongng other places and we are always grateful to have him on the show. thank you for coming on tonight. i feel a little uncomfortable acknowledging that we might be looking at what they call a false flag operation. >> it's the classic false flag operation and it was spread all day by the very same people that spread constantly misinformation, disinformation, and fake news are such great benefits that you need to give them the power to censor theeaak internet to stop it. democratic party operatives people who are associated with super pacs like the lincoln project. it's not that they spread this on purpose to manipulate the outcome of an election. obviously, they did that but they use the exact tactic which is making it seem like an event comes from one source whenac in fact it comes from another, that they have essentially tried to prohibit any of us from
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investigating or inquiring when it comes to january 6th, and the fbi, even though we know for a fact that the fbi like them uses that tactic constantly. >> tucker: i'm so glad you made that point because it's true and you have a decade writing about this, but this again is an example of a political party turning the conversation to the moral quality of its opponents and ignoring issues. there is a real debate going on in virginia over to what extent parents should control their kids' curriculum. they're not engaging in the debate, they're calling the other guy racist. is there some point in politics we can get back to arguing the issues, or is that done? >> i think from the perspective of the democratic party, they realize if the debate takes place in terms of what are they actually going to do for votersf who it is who fundsac them, who controls them, if the truthh
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about their agenda is actually revealed, that is the lesson they learned in 2016. the lesson is not let's revise our ideology and make sure we are doing things for people so they will vote for us, it's let's call everybody as manye names as we can and destroy the reputations so they are too afraid to challenge us. we will call them kremlin agents,af white nationalists, racists. and this is the most important part that happened today, i think. the a democratic party believes that it owns race, it owns the discourse around race, that it owns the accusations of racism. they believe they have become such good people, primarily white liberals who engineered this today, that racism is now their little toy, their little weapon that they get to exploit and play with anytime they want. it is not a serious issue for them. they have no serious convictions about it, it is just something they use for font to destroy
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anybody's reputation who opposes them and today provided the most vivid example of how f they do that. >> tucker: do you think there will ever be in this case or any other going forward a moment with the people who cover the stuff pause and say maybe i should learn something? >> the reason i don't think that will happen, it happened in the iraq war, the media got the iraq war wrong and there was self-reflection. "the new york times" in 2004 is said we got this very wrong, we apologize. that never happened here. it didn't happen with russia gate and it won't happen here. the reason is they have the mind-set of fanatics.as they believe that their cause is so just, they think they are fighting naziism, the movement of donaldhe trump which is going to end democracy. they believe they are such good and benevolent people that whatever tactics they use including lying and smearing people's reputations is justified because they are involved in this war that is so noble. that is really what they think
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got caught lying and cheating and breaking rules or even breaking the law, they believe there should be no accountability. they are happy that the peoplere who did this did it. they're probably only mad they got caught. they encourage this, this is what this climate fosters and incentivizes. >> tucker: you don't grow if you do that. i admit it, i supported the iraq war in 2003 and in 2003 i apologized for it and i reallyke meant it. i think that is how you grow. you can't keep lying about who you are. glenn greenwald, i appreciate you coming on and you're really wise analysis. >> good to be with you, thanks. >> tucker: one prison in d.c. who fell hard for that folks immediately was eric swalwell and you are probably not surprised to learn that. it's not a partisan point to note that whatever else he may be, he is legitimately stupid. some colleagues have comparedt him to a labrador with a head injury.
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that doesn't seem quite fair. there is no chance eric swalwell could findnd a tennis ball. he can barely remember to breathe. they know how dumb he is and they exploited it. if you were a marginally attractive chinese spy hoping to commit bizarre sex acts to expose the country's secrets you would end up in swalwell's place. he was staring at the internet when he saw the pictures of the fake nazis in virginia. here's the amazing part, normal person, with an iq over 70 might've paused for a moment and said that is funny, what is a black guy doing holding a torch at a white supremacy event? that seems weird. but that didn't occur to eric swalwell. he didn't wonder about it, it all seemed perfectly normal. so as he ist paid to do, swalwl emitted a small cloud of simulated outrage and went back to looking at websites of sorority girls.
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that is his way. corporations have donated millions of dollars to be a limf of the year but you have to ask why doesn't blm help grassroots initiatives to improve them? who is benefiting from this? anybody? except for the organizers and the big companies? bob joins us after the break. ♪ ♪ companies? bob joins us after the break. ♪ ♪
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up in single parent households. we mean households run by the mom. the dads are gone. you this is a disaster, it affects every part of society, everybody knows it, no one will say it. the question is why is it happening? it is happening because broken families meet the needs of big american corporations, which kind of run everything, let's be totally honest about it. that is one of the reasons that so many bignd american corporations gave so much money to blm, which has taken an active and aggressive position against the nuclear family. get the dads out of your house. they are easier to control with the dads a gone. not everybody is for this. we spoke to a man last night who isn't for it at all. we talked about how we could possibly change it. >> it's because they need to realize that parents have rights and what you see is these mama bears who are standing up and saying, you can't do this to our kids.ta we don't want race essentialism we don't want radical gender
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theory and what i'm looking for what i'm really hoping for is more dads standing up and saying and doing the same things because for too long fathers have taken a backseat when it comes to the education of their children, and what we need now and fewer house cats. >> tucker: we hope you will come back on that show. he also appears on jason with letters show. jason himself has come on this show many times to make the same point, that men in america are failing. >> we as men in this country have failed. we are cowards, we are allowing this to go on. this is on us. people have to stand up and take risk, maybe even put their lives in jeopardy for this type of racism to go away. that has been our history. instead everybody is sitting around, hiding under their desks, waiting for this to blow over and go away. that is not what is going to happen, it is only going to get worse. >> tucker: we actively seek out people who will tell the truth on this subject. there aren't many.
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bob woodson is one of them, he is a civil rights lawyer and we are happy to have him on the show. thank you so much for coming on. it is so obvious what is happening, it's been going on for 50 years, if there's one thing that has wrecked the country, it is this. why won't anybody say it? >> because it is not politically correct to say that because they are buying into the whole race theory that somehow the problems black america faces today is a legacy of slavery and jim crowso and it is blatantly not true. we at the woodson center have demonstrated this. alano, who was a part of our group too with a wonderful statement, but, in fact, dads are stepping up and they have been around the country. we saw this in louisiana when kids were fighting in their schools for three days and they
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were arrested. these black dads didn't go to the school and demand that teachers received dei training. instead they said these are our children destroying one another and destroying their future, we have the responsibility and the obligation to respond, so five of them got together and went into the school and as soon expanded to 40 men and these dads are patrolling the schools, going to classes. they work with local law enforcement to make sure that the dads were screened going in. it's part of a movement that has been going on for a number of years that thet woodson center has supported groups like this. in fact, we spent about $500,000 giving $5,000 grants to grassroots group like this group in the country. i am just pleased they are getting the kind of public recognition that they need andnd what they need isn't more awards, they needed rewards. we need to shift some of the
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money that is being wasted by corporations on black lives matter and spend the money inside these communities. the solutions are where the problems are. >> tucker: of course. if you ask any successful, well adjusted, productive man in this country, what is the secret to your happiness? most of them will say my dad had a lot to do with it. that is true, most of us would say that is true, i can't believe we are ignoring this but we are, i am not sure why. >> because it is not politically correct. i think the radical left has been using black america as a political tool and they are exploiting the whole race issue for their own gain, and so the only way that is going to change and be challenged is to allowll black america to speak for themselves and that is what the woodson center is doing. we're going to be expanding on the program and we hope to go
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out and reach others to convince them that we need to invest in these dads. they recognize that they are willing to be surrogate fathers to hundreds of other children and so we hope and pray that the country will wake up, instead of a millions of dollars in a texas town to promote defund the police, we need to invest instead on these grassroots -- white america can't do a thing to solve the problems of black america. making white people less racist doesn't make black people much safer.er they have to be their own uplift >> tucker: exactly. that is true for everyone. robert watson, thank you very much. great to see you tonight. tonight. >>to thank you, tucker. >> tucker: one thing that is come out off corona is a massive decline of some of our best cities, so who is this hurting
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most? that is always the question. plus, a surgeon physician was just fired from his job for daring to defend a parent's right to choose whether their child wears a mask in the middle of the health care crisis. we will talk to him straight ahead.ri ♪ ♪ we will talk to him straight ahead.
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>> covid has broken down so much of resistance. did you ever think --th >> tucker: what does that mean, broken down resistance? >> did you think ten years ago the government could close churches and arrest priests and pastors, that our newspapersgo would openly be cheering, the grocery store clerks would be heroes but priests who get sick and die of covid are villains who deserve it, they get ha had by "the new york times" and "the washington post." did you think we would be able to have people's lives ruined and marriages broken and shut down nus commerce and it all in the name of covid? with the american people all seem to go along with it and it is all in the name of an emergency order that has continued and continued and out as part of the homeless camps that is for public health. she walks to her internship because of public health, that is a public health --
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>> tucker: what does covidks have to do with homeless camps? >> the cdc said breaking up homeless camps would spread covid. basically anything.up fair elections would spread covid. teachers having to work with spread covid. breaking up homeless camps would spread covid. arresting people would spread covid. >> tucker: disagreeing with blm riots spread covid. >> pretty much, that is the worst way to get it and you deserve it. >> tucker: how often do you bump up against covid regulations? how big a part of your life? >> they got rid of it for a t minute but i was surprised they did at the beginning of the vaccines, i didn't think it was ever going away and then they realized they wanted to forever so they brought it back. the warm weather broke somear covid craziness because it isth above all, they try to be very puritan and very strict and
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how they act and how they live their life, but they are really self-centered.y when nice weather comes and the bars are are open, you pack inta indoor spaces instead of packing into baseball stadiums, and blm riots, of course. that started to break but there are weird mask rules that have come into effect where you have to wear a mask, a lot of people are familiar with this for the 8-foot walk through the crowded bar and then sit down and take it off again. i was sitting at a great new restaurant that opened up and i noticed all the patrons surrounding this bar, none of them were wearing masks. all eating, all drinking. a lot of them statistically going off of how the city votes a lot of them are probably hard left, but the waitstaff, the help, they had to cover their faces the whole time. >> tucker: can they make direct eye contact? >> it is discouraged, it is definitely a class thing where
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you will see that, the people who work for you have to wear a mask at all times but you don't except when you're walking past the table. kind of an homage to worshiping or something, it is the new rule and i am always afraid they're going to do more. >> tucker: chris bedford, you can watch our hour-long conversation on "tucker carlson today." it is on foxnation.com. that reallyry shocked us, a physician and surgeon in minnesota recently. went to a school board meetingoc and made the point that parents ought to have some say over whether their own children are forced to wear masks while in school.nt [indiscernible]
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>> tucker: nine days after he said what you just saw, he was fired from his job at the lake region medical group because apparently they don't need surgeons anymore. in a statement the lake region medical group which should be deeply ashamed of itself said that its peers on the review board made the decision to firee him, not the hospital. dr. jeffrey joins us tonight to explain what happened. thanks so much for coming on. all the crazy things that j are going on right now, this story is beyond belief, really. is there anything we are leaving out of it?t? >> thank you for the opportunity to be here. the thing you are leaving out is that it is not about my firing. it is much bigger than that. this story has gone within seven days to the tucker carlson show that is huge for most people out in rural minnesota.ys we have gotten to the point
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where it's not about my job being lost, it's about the freedoms that are being lost. we had a fight for freedom event five days after the news came out about my situation and i was asked to speak at that school board meeting by the parents of our community and asked them why they were there andbo they said they were mad, they were angry. what are you angry about? they all respond "freedom." they are here because of their freedoms.. they said if something like this can happen to you when you showed up at the school board and expressed your educated opinion about something you should have a lot of experience about, you should be able to talk because you've been wearing masks all the time, they said if it can happenhe to you, it can happen to any of us. and that is the piece, that is what is going on in rural minnesota. >> tucker: you clearly don't want to make it about you and i admire that impulse, you're one
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of the only people left in the country who feel that way, but i have to ask, you are a surgeon. we need more surgeons, clearly. you have obviously been doing it for a while.d was there any suggestion you were a bad surgeon or were you really fired purely for your thought crimes? >> there is really no way for me to know. i have a no cause clause contract, which means they can terminate me or ask me to resign, without any knowledge to me. i will never know and that is perfectly okay with me. i signed that 15 years ago, i have no ill will to my employer and we live in the same community. it's just there are other tragedies here. i believe we are in a war. i believe this is a war and there are casualties. just listen to your show tonight, you've talked about many of them.
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it's hard to now, is it the first amendment right? i also talk about my faith in that school board meeting. i told them how do i make life and death decisions in which i have enough experience to explain. how do i do it? i pray to my maker. i pray to god and ask him what i should do. and then i make those decisions accordingly, and i offered that piece up there too. so i'm not sure what view whether it is parents rights, p religious rights, freedom of speech, i do not think my local group of doctors don't believe that, but i'm not sure and i will never know, but the community is outraged because of it, but so is the world. it's not about me, it's about the fact that they've lost the opportunity to speak. we do not have our freedoms, we are being mandated and the hope is there. the hope is not in the system
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but the hope is in your faith. getting rid of the fear, faking faith over fear, that is my thought. >> tucker: you have clearly done that, it is just remarkable we are firing people for being decent and honest but you make a bigger point and i'm glad that you did. doctor, thank youte so much for coming on tonight and i hope you continue to use your skills as a surgeon somewhere, i really do. thank you.ht >> i hope so too. t thank you for the opportunity. >> tucker: thought crimes are really crimes that are punished now. you can burn down a wendy's, you can shoot people in a classroom and you are fine, but if you disagree with the ideology, bam you are gone. exhibit 437 of the day, middle school teachers suspended for speaking up against what their kids are being taught. that is next. ♪ ♪ up against what their kids are being taught. that is next.
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♪ ♪ >> tucker: ramona basinger is a middle school english teacher in providence, rhode island. over the summer she wrote a series of very insightful blog posts exposing her school's openly racist and divisive curriculum.di for doing that, for daring to be honest, she was hauled in front of the disciplinary committee and suspended by the school district. the school district claims it is unrelated to the blog post b because obviously they lied. she joins us tonight. ramona basinger, thank you so much for coming on. give us just a quick example of what the school district was teaching that you objected to. >> first of all i would just like to say that in all my years
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in an educator, i've seen anything like this. sometime around last january, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of books rolled into my classroom as well as educators all throughout the district and immediately i knew something wasn't right. the covers of the books were bizarre, they were cartoonlike pamphlet style, very thin. they all had the same narrative it was just strange. not to mention the quality of the books, the rigor wasn't there. the moment i started asking questions, the moment i started probing and asking why we were teaching these books as opposed to vetted literary material that was it. i was public enemy number one. you know, i could not do anything right.
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i was brought to task onu absolutely everything. it was just ridiculous.ic and rather than cower and be silent, i decided i was going to get louder and that is exactly what i did. someone told me about this political blog legal insurrection, i emailed them and i explained that this was going on in my school, there are these very strange books and odd curriculum rolling out, and i was concerned, i didn't quite know exactly what was going on, but i had a pretty clear idea but more importantly it was the reaction of the students and seeing the mistrust and the overall devastation i was feeling it was having on the students in my classroom, but i was also making connections to other teachers and students all around the country and certainly in my own district we were all talking about this kind of strange
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collection of books that seemed to be very racially divisive. i don't like to say critical race theory, i call it racialized curriculum because that is what it is, so i wrote about it in that blog and that was met with the mob descending on me when i went back to school in september with some very strange attacks by some colleagues because god forbid you can't have a reasonable argument with any of these people, not at all.. they have to cower and hide and attack and make public displays. and that led to my getting louder and writing yet another blog about the harassment and when i did that, then they upped the ante and involved children. it's always impressive when you use children as political shields or political weapons to fight your battles.
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>> tucker: i'm so grateful that you've pointed out with a a lot of these materials, these so-called books were stupid and badly written because they are in the people who write them are stupid and no one ever says that. and good luck. thank you fobeing honest. ramona basinger. >> thank you. >> tucker: our new brilliant treasury secretary has a plan for how to stop inflation. we are going to print a ton more money. trillions of dollars in fake money and that is going to fix inflation. we will tell you how that works after the break. ♪ ♪
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>> tucker: pricing of everything has gone up. gas, food, >> tucker: pricing of everything has gone up. gas, food, lumber, diapers and women's shoes. we could go on. it's more expensive. it's inflation.. your money is worse less and you are poorer. like cancer, inflation is difficult to control. it doesn't take long to kill a country dead.
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our brilliant new treasury secretary yellen has a plan to fix this. she is an expert watch. >> the infrastructure in build back better is small relative to the economy and spread over 10 years. it will boost the economy's potential to grow. the economy's supply potential which tends to push inflation down and not up. >> tucker: calm down, america. all we need to do to stop inflation is print trillion of new american dollars, we
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have. take money. the less each dollar would be worth. a snicker's bar will cost $50 and we will have beaten inflation. feminism makes you happy. yellen is a genius. that's it for us tonight. we will see you monday. have the best weekend. \m \m >> welcome to this special edition of "hannity." i am jason, in tonight for sean. president biden is abroad with his agenda stalled at home. biden and speaker nancy pelosi had their spending plan spoiled by progressives. i didn't know they had a backbone. they insist that no vote move ahead on the infrastructure and

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