so i would ask that you impose $500,000 on each of the defendants, your honor. >> okay. so in terms of bond, the court is required to comply with sbr6.016, the purpose of bond is to insure the defendants appear in court for all necessary court appearances as well as to take into consideration any risk to public safety. obviously, these charges are very,ing very serious, there's no question about that. there is a -- the court does have concern about the flight risk along with public safety given the circumstances that occurred yesterday and the fact that defendants kid have to be apprehended. the court did indicate yesterday that it would be conducting an arraignment at 4 p.m., and nobody -- [inaudible] >> your honor, i -- if i may -- [inaudible conversations] >> bond for jennifer crumbley at $500,000 cash sure i.

in the event that jennifer crumbley is able to post that the, the following provisions will be in place. the defendant is not to use or test positive for alcohol, recreational marijuana or any controlled -- [inaudible] ms. crumbley -- possession any firearms or dangerous weapon, shall not have any behavior toward anyone, must provide a released crease upon release to pretrial services representative. the representative will be monitoring -- [inaudible] within 24 hours of release from the county jail -- the. [inaudible] urinalysis and facility within seven days a week -- [inaudible] that would be in the direction of pts. the defendant, ms. crumbley, so to verify any employment status and verify that in writing with the -- [inaudible]

in the event she is able to post bond, she would get a gps tether installed upon release from the county jail. she may be, the gps tether -- [inaudible] that she could go to work, attend court hearing, medical appointments and attorney meetings. she must provide work schedule, me call appointments and any meetings to pts in advance again, that must be installed at the jail before she leaves the jail. as it relates to james robert crumbley, court is setting a $500,000 cash surety bond. the defendant is not to use or test positive for alcohol, recreational marijuana or any controlled substances. defendant -- [inaudible] any firearm, weapons or ammunition. the defendant is --

[inaudible] toward anyone. the defendant must provide -- if he is able to post bond to pretrial services. he will be monitor thed by pretrial services, must submit and -- [inaudible] and urinalysis within 24 hours of release from the oakland county jail and the facility that is open seven days a week and -- [inaudible] providing levels in writing. the defendant must verify employment to pts upon release from the county jail. pts tepter must be installed prior to release in the event that the defendant is able to post bond. he also must provide information rellive to employment schedules, medical appointments or any other appointments that are allowed which will include he can attend court hearings, employment, medical appointments and attorney meetings. any violations of any of the terms and conditions of those bonds may result in revocation

of bond. any questions as it relates to bond for james crumbley? >> your honor, we have no questions, but i do need to place one thing on the record. i'm not asking the court to change anything. what i want to state on the record is i was not able to watch the entire press release and what the -- i had no idea there was a 4:00 arraignment. ms. lehman didn't know either. the media has so many reports of ran tom times that, quite frankly -- >> [inaudible] >> i just want to apologize to the court because we weren't aware. and also we faxed over appearances, and no one told us like, hey, we're going to do this at 4:00. we sent appearances late in the day, and i just apologize to this court because we don't miss dates. so thank you. >> thank you. finally, as it relates to bond in the event that the --

[inaudible] i am required that they turn over any and all weapons to the to oakland county sheriff's office -- [inaudible] within, realistically i'm not sure if they're going to be able to be released if they post bond, but i am going to require they turn over all weapons upon release from the oakland county jail. okay. any other questions? >> no, thank you. >> no, your honor. >> again, the pcc is on the court case at 1:15, preliminary examination on the 22nd at 9:45 a.m. it will be in-person proceedings. please make sure that you are prepared with all witnesses and/or -- [inaudible] >> your honester i just do the want to put on the record that there are hundreds and hundreds of hours of digital ed and

voluminous documents, and we are compiling it, and we'll get it to defense counsel as soon as possible. >> okay, thank you. >> thank you. >> your honor, have a nice day. >> thank you, judge. >> you too. >> your honor. neil: you have been watching the formal arraignment of the parents of that michigan teen charged in the killing of four oxford high school students. pleading guilty today, that is the parents here, james and jennifer crumbley -- not guilty -- to involuntary manslaughter charges hours after police found them hiding, we're told n a commercial building not too far from detroit. their lawyer was repeatedly saying throughout that they weren't avoiding anyone or trying to escape the area, trying to make it clear that there was just no communication with the prosecutor's office about yesterday's 4 p.m. arraignment. the fact of the matter is though that they are looking at the

parents, at potentially life of in prison if found guilty on all of these manslaughter charges. each claims, the mother and the father, not guilty on each and all counts. the judge has set the bail it sounds like at about $500,000 each. normally with bail you'd have to put up $50,000 at first. they are going to be monitored with some sort of gps quite attached -- the twice attached to them to make sure they are not a flight risk. so a lot to digest in the days that have followed this tragic school shooting in michigan and who knew what and when. welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. we lead off with this story that's captivating the nation right now and what happens next. ironically, the parents are in the same jail as their son. let's go to steve harrigan who's been following all of this from the beginning. steve. >> reporter: neil, a dramatic arraignment there of the parents, each of whom now face four charges of involuntary

manslaughter. each of those charges could carry a penalty of up to 15 years. as far as this arraignment goes, it looks like the prosecutor got exactly what she wanted. she wanted $500,000 bail. she said these two are a flight risk. they missed their arraignment on friday, they were discovered after a manhunt that included the fbi and u.s. marshals as well as detroit police. they were found on the eastern side of detroit in a warehouse basement in hiding. they had gone to an atm, taken out $4,000, less than a mile from the canadian border. she said they're a flight risk and demanded that high bail. that's exactly what she got. the other drama was hearing the parents speak for the first time in this arraignment. the judge read out the charges one by one, the four slain students aged 17, 17, 16 and 14. each time the parents one at a time pleading not guilty, and the mother, jennifer crumblec, was sobbing audibly throughout that plea.

the other detail to note is that the prosecutor said there's not one person in this community here to vouch for them. they couldn't find anyone to stand up for them. this shooting has really traumatized this village of 4,000. we're seeing vigils every night, two funerals scheduled for today, a third scheduled for tuesday. neil, back to you. neil: steve harrigan, thank you very much for that. let's go to ted williams, former d.c. homicide detective, fox news contributor. fed, what's interesting in this particular case even though the parents' lawyers have been claiming that there was no chance of a flight risk, what appears to have happened at least last night was, you know, stopping such a flight risk, that they were trying to get out. i don't know how they explain what happened and where they were, why they were there. but that's going to be part of the hurdles in why they're going to be monitored with gps devices and a relatively high bail at

$500,000. what do you make of that? >> yeah. neil, there is the a question as to whether james and jennifer crumbley were flight risks, and i can tell you i believe that they were. what we know is that after the charges were announced by the prosecutor there, that last night that the crumbleys, james and jennifer, withdrew $4,000 from their account. they then were found in a building in detroit. you would have had to have been under a rock not to know that james and jennifer crumbley were wanted. they became fugitives from justice. the fbi, the u.s. marshal service and local law enforcement were looking for them. and as a result of that, the detroit the -- detroit police

department doing excellent work were able to locate them at this building. they, meaning james and jennifer crumbley, gave themselves up. they did not have any weapons when they were arrested. neil: ted, leapt me can ask you a little bit about how unusual this is where the parents of the suspected killer, school killer, have been brought up on charges. the only time i think i can remember like that was back 2000, the killing of a 6-year-old where the parents were dragged into it. but this is extremely unusual, is it not? >> it is highly unusual that the, in these school shootings where shooter's parents have been brought up on charges. as you know, neil,ing they have been charged with involuntary manslaughter, four counts for

each one of the victims of this shooting. but i gotta tell you, the prosecution, while they believe they have a good case and they may very well have a good case, the fact about it is what they are going to have to show is gross negligence. not that just the parents were negligent, but that they were grossly negligent and that they had, because of their gross negligence, these are are individuals who were shot and killed and others injured. and that's boeing to be a pretty -- going to be a pretty high bar, i believe. neil: we don't know, again, the timeline of the events. we do the know that the parents and their son were, you know, with administrators at the school and teachers who were concerned that monday and tuesday, the day of the shooting, themselves. in fact, on final day just two hours before, you know, he would

start killing people. so there's a lot to be asked there about who allowed him to continue to attend classes and go back and whether that was the parents' call or administrators' call. because already at that point there the had been a lot of concerns raised about drawings showing killing and blood, comments he had made about, you know, help me. i'm just wondering that coupled with the father shown here just bought him the gun that was presumably used in this attack four days earlier. what do they try to determine here? >> well, neil, under the circumstances here they're going to have to look at the totality of circumstance in order to make this case and to prove beyond a reasonable do you want that these parents are guilty of the charges. what we do know is on the 26th

james crumbley along with his son ethan was at a gun dealership when they purchased the gun. we know that on the 27th that the mother posted that she was taking target practice with her son, and she mentioned that he had been given a christmas present. we know that the next time, on the9 29th there at school, and the teacher saw what she i saw on the phone of ethan crumbley, him searching for ammunition. she reported that to a school official who tried to reach the crumbleys. they were unsuccessful in reaching the crumbleys on the 29th, but then on the 30th ethan is in class, and a teacher noticed that they had, he had made certain drawings. and as a part of these drawings, one of the drawings he was crying out for help. the teachers gave that to the school officials.

they called the crumbleys in. the crumbleys were told by the school officials that within a 48-hour period they had to seek counseling for ethan. but the thing about it was that the school officials and the crumbleys did not search or look at the backpack or no one talked about the gun that ethan had had previously. ethan then goes back to his classroom, he was permitted to go back to his classroom. he then went into a restroom. and then what he did was to come out and we believe and it is the believed by others that the gun was in his backpack and that he came out shooting. and as a result of that, he killed four of these students, and he injured seven. the law enforcement authorities got there on the scene, they were able to immediately arrest ethan.

but during the course of all of this, the two things that the i did mention is that ethan's mother had been in touch with him. and on the 30th once they heard about shooting at the school, she text ethan, and she said to him, ethan, don't do it. ethan, don't do it. the father then called the sheriff's department, and he said that he thought that perhaps his son ethan was involved and that he was looking for his weapon. so those are are the facts -- neil: do we know, ted, cowe know the timing of that? i know the don't do it text from his mother, but i don't know that was before the shootings. i do know the father did call police after the shootings to tell police he suspected the shooter was his son, so that might be crucial here. but how do you sort that out? >> well, that's going to be crucial, but it appears as though the shootings had already taken place because the

crumbleys appear if to have been reacting to communications that they had gotten from the school that there was, in fact, a shooting. so all of these things have to be sorted out -- neil: right. >> but this is just a sad, horrific situation, neil. neil: it is. you know, ted the, another thing too that struck me is that, you know, he was there at the time in the final meetings with administrators, teachers, i don't know the breakdown of who was with his parents, and he had his backpack with him, and no one thought of checking that backpack. and that is going to come backing obviously, to haunt the parents, friends of those who were killed that it could have been stopped right there. but what do you think of that now? it's easy for me to play monday morning quarterback here, but given the history, the writings, the drawings, the concerns over

a 24-hour period with ethan that someone wouldn't say let's look at that backpack. >> neil, you're absolutely right. but let's take it one step further. once they saw these drawings where this kid was claying out for help where he had made these drawings showing individuals in blood and mentioning these kinds of things, the first tooth of those administrators in that school system was to contact law enforcement and get law enforcement involved. there should have been law enforcement intervention. there was none. and then when they had him in the office, in their school office when they had the backpack, they could have done something. i believe that ethan should have been taken out of that school at that immediate time. no way under no set of circumstances should ethan have

been permitted to bo back to his classroom -- to go back to his classroom when it seems as though he was suffering from a mental breakdown. that is just totally unacceptable. and someone, yes, will have to the answer to that. neil finally a legal question here, ted, but as you said at the outset, this is unusual to also charge the parents, you know, in what amounts to, you know, a school shooting. but the idea that maybe prosecutors are trying to send a message here that parents across the country not only if you see something, say something, but you're on the hook here too if you are either oblivious or not paying attention to what's going on. and i'm just wondering where all of this goes, what it might lead to. >> well, you know, the unfortunate thing is that we have these school shootings, we've had 'em in the past and, unfortunately, i believe we're going to have them in the

future. i don't believe though that this prosecutor is going to be able to send any message because if, in fact, they're found not guilty, that is a message that i don't think she wants out this. but i do believe the pursuant based upon the evidence in which she has a lot of it that we do not know believes that she can make a case of involuntary manslaughter showing gross negligence. not just mere negligence, but that the parents were grossly negligent in the handling of this gun with their talk child who -- with their teenage child who, in fact, went into that school and shot up that school and shot and killed these four individuals and injured seven. neil: just incrediblied sad. ted williams, thank you so much, my friend. i do appreciate it. in the meantime here, all of this might seem like a tragic

déjà vu for my next guest. andrew pollack, you might recall andrew the very well, he is the father of a stoneman douglas shooting victim. his beautiful daughter was among 17 killed. fourteen students at the time, three staff members. nicklaus cruz, the killer, recently pled guilty to those shootings years after the fact. it was february 2018. andrew, it's good to have you back. i'm very sorry under these circumstances. what do you make of this? >> well, evidently the michigan public school district didn't learn anything from what happened in parkland just listening. there's so many similarities with the shooters; troubled kids, allowing these troubled kids in the public school. they give them more rights. and this kid was a screaming red flag just like at parkland. and the big problem is, neil, they don't, they don't tell the parents what's going on.

my daughter's killer, he was actually frisked every morning before school. no parents were notified. and there's a child in every school just like this, in every public school across the country. there's thousands of troubled kids. this kid should have had law enforcement involved with this child. he needed accountability. he needed maybe to be in a hospital -- [inaudible] and we take it very serious. just last week there was a threat on a social media platform for a school that someone was going to shoot up the school. the sheriff went right away and arrested this child. you've got to set boundaries with these children. they've got to know there's consequence. but no consequences, this is what happens, and they have learned in michigan -- they didn't learn in michigan from the 17 murders. it's a real shame. they should have brought law enforcement in place.

and the training. the training's not there. you need the training to be able to respond. you need conceal-carry in some of these schools with the sro. he knew exactly where that police officer was in the school. it took him five minutes to shut down -- [inaudible] we're very fortunate that only four were killed. neil: right. >> their lives will never be the same. you can't have five minutes of this shooter walking through the hallway. my daughter's murderer had seven minutes. he reloaded five times without being shot back. there's options -- the teachers need to be trained. there's nonlethal weapons they could be using in these schools. there's a burner company that shoots nonlethal -- [inaudible] pellets. the teachers, there's training for them. and the main thing is if you see something, say something, you know? they didn't respond properly. and it's really, it's horrific

to hear it because it's déjà vu from what happened at parkland. this kid threatened other kids' lives. he threatened to shoot the school up. he threaten -- [inaudible] was never arrested. similar situation in michigan, if there's a shooter like this in one of your kid's public schools, i garon' you. neil: you know what's interesting, andrew, i did remember studying, tragedyically, what people knew at the time of your daughter's killer, nikolas cruz. he had been monitored by police for quite some time that the sheriff's deputies were frequently called to his home over incidents. it had gotten so bad that other kids were warning, look, we have problems here, you ought to monitor this guy. nothing, you know, led to his being arrested or even questioned beyond that. he was prohibited from carrying a backpack to the high school,

and yet we learn in this particular case ethan ethan cruy had a backpack with him the day of the shootings while he and his parents were sitting down with school administrators and/or teachers. i don't know the breakdown of who was meeting with him, andrew, but it doesn't seem that we learned much from what was going on with you a little more than three years ago. >> a 45 calls to the killer's house, never arrested. and similar, i don't know if you remember, neil, the killer from parkland, his mother brought him to the gun store and bought that semiautomatic rifle. the mother drove him to the gun store on his 18th birthday to buy that rifle. it's so similar, it's horrific, you know? it just brings chills to me talking about these parents now that'll never see their kids.

and they didn't learn frit, you know, neil? and -- from it, you know, neil they want to mainstream these kids into public schools that are troubled. they have to mainstream them, and they give these kids more rights than our beautiful children that are in the school. that -- i hate saying his name, but the killer that murdered those 17 people in parkland, he had more rights than my daughter that just wanted to go to school and participate, you know, as a high school student. and it's the same thing. this kid was a scream aring red flag. -- screaming red flag. as soon as they saw that picture with the countries, with the -- with the guns, with the blood -- who are they protecting when they don't arrest these kids? they're doing these kids a disservice. those administrators should be brought up on involuntary manslaughter if the parents are. they sent that kid back to the classroom, you know?

their duty was to protect those other kids in the school, and they sent that kid back to classroom with pictures of blood shooting can kids, and they sent him back. it's really terrible. neil: no, it definitely boggles the imagination, and i'd like to get a sense of that timeline and why they did what hay did. i guess that's where the investigations will ensue and the hundreds of hours of video that they have at the school and everything else to get to the bottom of that. but let me ask you about nikolas cruz behind all these shootings after pleading guilty. i think he's 23 years old now, andrew. what do you think should happen to him? >> well, he's been sitting in this cell, in county jail for four years. it's ridiculous that he's sitting there. and i did a lot of research, neil, talking to wardens because, you know, the d.a. is going for the death penalty. i'm not going to step in and get involved, but my personal opinion after talking to correction officers, after talking to wardens that work in

prisons, life without parole for an inmate like this is much worse than being on death row. life without parole, he has to be with the other inmates. he's in general population. he has to get a job. he has to go except his food. he has to go get his medicine. like i said, he has to work and -- with the general population. on death row, which could take 25 years even if they do kill him, on death row he has his own security guard, okay? he doesn't have to work. he gets his own tv with 12 stations, and he's protected. he's in protective custody, you know? so i guess i'll tell you, the ward that i spoke to said the -- [inaudible] he's going to be someone's girlfriend if he's -- neil: by the way, andrew, i don't want to interrupt you, we are not showing nikolas cruz there, we were showing, here,

ethan crumbly, his -- >> [inaudible] neil: to your point, you think the death penalty is the only just thing to do to the boy at the time who murder your daughter and 16 others. >> after doing research, neil, and talking to people that work mt. prisons, okay, they told me that life without parole is much worse for an inmate than being on death row. or, you know, if you really wanted to end all these mass shootings and even the guy that drove into that christmas parade, they should expedite these -- and they should be executed within 60 days. give them a quick trial. you know how bad these people are. and execute them within two months. you'll see a lot of these shootings, you'll see these guys guys -- [inaudible] driving into kids at a parade, okay? we expedite these trials and

execute within two months. that's what i'd be for. but when you're going to put them on death row and let them sit there for 25 years with their own security team getting meals deliver for the them, their tv, put them in the general population, met them deal with them -- let them deal with them. these kids aren't going to do good with general population when they find out they killed little kids in a school. neil: you know, andrew, i remember talking to you soon after the shootings in florida, and i was amazed by how you turned such a tragedy into a rage to address this and i'm thinking you would be a very important person to reach out to these parents now who are mourning the deaths of hair children. of their children. and just how to get through it and what, if anything, you can offer them now. >> look, neil, there's really not much you can do to get through this, you know, except

put yourself -- keep yourself busy, you know? i struggle with it still every day, not having my daughter, you know? it's a horrible way to live thinking about your child, that they were murdered and that you couldn't switch places with them, which i wish i could have. you know, you live a painful life, and you just have to concern if i were to tell them, you're just going to have to deal with it. you're going to have to deal with no more holidays. we just had thanksgiving, we had hanukkah, it's not the same anymore without my little girl. i look at the pictures. without my little girl, the holidays aren't the same anymore. and if i have to tell them, there's no quick fix for it. you just have to deal with it. i'm there for my other two boys. i've got my son hunter, law school up at fsu, got -- [inaudible] and my son concern the. [inaudible] so i have to be there for my other children. me, i really don't take into

consideration how i feel. i'm there for my family and my wife, and that's how you have to live. neil: got it. >> it's terrible. there's no, nothing i can tell these people that are going to make them feel better. there's nothing except bringing their children back. neil: andrew, thank you very much. sorry under these circumstances, but i think we needed to hear from you. we'll have more after this. deb? move to sofi and feel what it's like to get your money right. ♪ ♪ move your student loan debt to sofi— you could save with low rates and no fees. earn a $1,000 bonus when you refi— and get your money right. ♪ i may have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and get your money right. or psoriatic arthritis. but we are so much more.

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neil: all right. omicron now a very, very big issue in this country and maybe a big issue at our border. it's an issue that i raised with dr. anthony fauci who acknowledged it could be a prop down there. problem down there. >> neil, i don't have an easy answer for that. i mean, obviously, title 42 is still operable at the border. there is testing that is done, i'm certain it's not as extensive as we would like to see. but i have to commit, neil, i don't have an easy answer. that's a very difficult problem. neil: i'm just wondering though, would that -- if those numbers are, indeed, the case, it would dwarf whatever good we're try thing to do at airports though, right? just looking at the sheer numbers. >> yeah. but you know what i think is going to happen that's going to possibly make this even a moot point? i think given what we know about the transmissibility and likely transmissibility advantage of

omicron, we've seen that in africa with the spikes that are going up, once it gets many there, it will likely under the radar scheme be spreading no matter what you coto keep people out or not. that's the way viruses work. we saw that happen well a that. i do hope that omicron doesn't have that kind of advantage, particularly if it turns out to be serious. neil: let's hope he's right, the fact is we got around 20,000 -- at the border and about 28% that are affected by this virus or carrying to covid virus. that would work out to a little bit more than 4,000 who have virus right now and are literally at our door step. doctor -- [inaudible] with us right now. dr., we don't know a lot about where omicron is going. what we coknow is a lot of people -- we do know is a lot of people who have contracted this have come through our border. i'm just wondering not knowing

where this new variant goes, is that a big issue we're ignoring? those are startling numbers at a time when we're trying to tamp down the overall number. >> sure. i mean, the biggest problem we've had during this pandemic is that people have lost trust in the government, right? people have lost confidence that we're capable of keeling with the covid pandemicfectively. so the problem that i see is we can't have one set of rules for the border, the land border, and then say at the same time we're being so strict with testing requirements for legal travelers and for the citizens themselves. so we have a travel ban, we have all of these things where we've shortened the testing requirements to one day now for people to return to the country, even american citizens, and then say that we're not going to implement those same policies at the land border. that makes it seem that we have no consistency and, therefore,

again that we're not, we're not internally consistent, that we are not applying sort of -- neil: no, i know what you're saying, doctor, and that's what i was trying to raise with dr. fauci. i understand what he's saying, a separate issue for which i have no kohl, back and forth on that, but the fact of the matter is you've got thousands of individuals on the border who have contracted the virus, we are policing all the airports to make sure that not so much as a single person comes into this country with omicron, then it makes a moot point of everything you're doing at the airports, right? >> exactly, exactly. so that's what i'm trying to say. even if you look at some of the testing requirements that we have that just got issued, it says that you have to have a negative test or you could have a positive test, but you have to have clearance from a doctor. that itself doesn't make much sense because if you look at that, if you have a positive test but you have clearance from a doctor, what would make a are doctor clear you?

they're going to look to see if you have antibodies, what type of antibodies and what kind of symptoms do you have. they're looking at antibodies, that also would make people question, well, you have antibodies from a vaccine or from having an infection, so a lot of these things, i think, are worded in a way where the politics are being taken into account and then, again, it makes it, you know, even more questionable in terms of should people trust are these policies completely separated from the medical guidance. neil: all right. we'll watch it very closely, doctor, thank you. hope you have a wonderful hold cay. with us right now is the former health and human services secretary. secretary, always good to have you. we're learning a little bit more about, i guess, omicron every day. one of the things that stood out to me is that it could be more infectious because it shares a genetic code with the common cold. now, none of this reports we're getting, secretary, have shown any serious cases and not even

in africa where all this originated so much as a single death can. but i am wondering about its ability to spread and spread fast. what do you make of it? >> well, we measure these viruses in two ways. one is their transmissibility, how quickly do the they move from host to host, and the second is how virulent are they, that is to say how ill does a person typically become after contracting the virus. again, i have no special knowledge about this particular variant with, but everything i read is as you have suggested, that is that it is the, has rapid transmission, but it is not as virulent. and we can hope that's the case because it would bed bad if it were -- be bad if it were both quickly replicating and, secondly, highly virulent. neil: you know, the administration, biden administration this past week, you know, is going to more

aggressively monitor those coming into airports from around the world including americans returning home on this sort of thing. but no sweeping crackdown, no mandates that we know of beyond the ones that the president's had a devil of a time getting allowed by judges. but leaving that aside, do you think we're doing enough? >> so important, i think, to focus on the difference between closure of borders and screening and quarantine at borders. we know from lots of study over the course of decades that closing the borders really does not, is not effective. particularly if you're only doing a partial closure. what we also know is that if you're going into a movie, into a ball game or to a concert, that it's a good idea to screen to the degree that you can for those who are high risk and those that aren't. and i think the same thing

applies at the border. we need to aggressively screen and we need to aggressively quarantine when we identify someone who has the virus. that would be true at a border, that would be true at a large gathererring as well. neil: all right. we'll watch it closely. mike leavitt, former health and human services secretary. very good seeing you again, sir. >> thank you. neil: we're monitoring a couple of other chem can accurates. they're supposed to be giving an omicron update, we know 8 states have it, we just hit our 40th country. we'll keep an eye on that, more after this. plain aspirin. try new vazalore. aspirin made amazing! with directv stream

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♪ neil: all right, a resignation or the beginning of what could be a jailbreak. we're looking at what's happened this past week when key adviser to the vice president of the united states up and left saying she was going to pursue other

ventures, less than a week after another important member move on as well and reported tensions between the president and vice president. susan clanton, reporter with real clear politics, what's going on in. >> you know, this was never a match made in heaven when joe biden chose kamala harris as his running mate. sometimes when you pick for political expediency as opposed to a loyalist, it can the backfire, and that's what i think we're seeing right now. you have a mass exodus out of her office. we hear that there's more people, more aides that are considering leaving. she's also had this reputation of being difficult on capitol hill, and she was just a freshman. there was not a lot of vetting that went on with her with the capitol press corps. i was part of that press corps, and she wasn't very accessible. and i think her previous position as attorney general of

california also wasn't really front and center with the press. and so we're seeing this play out now that she has these awkward moments, these strange laughs, and people are not -- her approval ratings are basically in the tank. she has a -12 approval rating when biden has a -6 and people are criticizing biden for having -- neil: many recent network it seems unusual, but it used to be common back in the 1940s and higher where presidents, you know, changed their number two. fdr went through vice presidents ending up with harry truman who did become president. but my point is, could we see something like that in. >> well, i think it's a good the possibility. and many modern political history, it has been pretty rare. but you see kind of a problem with the bench. people are talking about the pete buttigieg now, and there's this awkward moment with both of

them on the, went out to sell the build back better plan this week, and they were in the -- [inaudible] and people were looking, there were stories about their body language and whether there's this rivalry between the two of them. i don't see -- it's going to be difficult if that happens, it's going to be a big precedent the-setting event, and there's not a lot of other people on the bench. you could go back to the primaries, you have cory booker, amy klobuchar. these people, i don't -- they didn't really do well last time around. so it's going to be maybe a surprise. you know, three years is a long time. neil: absolutely, absolutely. >> so there's some time for her to -- i think she can reset. that's what people are reporting right now. if she is serious about talking about the root causes of the border and going down to the border, really taking, harnesses that issue for herself and also

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♪ neil: so are you having trouble finding that, oh, so popular gift? don't necessarily blame it on the chinese, it could be your neighbor. it could be a bunch of bottings. it get -- bot withs. it gets complicated, but this woman specializes in getting through it. lisa garber, cybersecurity

expert. people are buying up the popular toys? how does that work? >> hi, or neil, great to see you. and this is very different from the mid '90s tick thing me elmo craze that we saw where parents were fighting each other in different shopping malls. bots are basically software applications that are programmed to complete certain tasks, and that can be an automated help desk for a web site, amply piefying contact on social media but buying up all the hottest things and reselling them at exorbitant rates. neil: do i'd the party platforms know that's happening? >> it's pretty likely that they do. in fact, there's been legislative action a couple years ago. they created the bots act under the obama administration which went after ticket scalpers. this is the a similar strategy, but it's for different kinds of goods, right in and congress has

introduced legislative proposals to ban type of activity for years now. the problem really is with enforcement. these are hard to track just like any sort of cyber criminals or cyber attack in this realm, and it's also difficult to enforce. the ftc only recently, just this year, enforced the bots act existence these ticket scam pers who are raising prices. so this is similar. unfortunately, parents are in a really similar situation for the holidays and people looking for those hot items, there are other strategies you have to employ. neil: so anyone could do this. i know these are algorithm. s and fancy ways to start this stuff up, but it sounds like quite are involved in this. >> bots are common place. they can range from groups of sophisticated cyber criminals who are running this as a money-making enterprise to kids working out of their parents' basement. it's not complex soft ware. right now the way to get around it instead of, as you said,

going chinese or going after your neighbor angrily is look at stock watchers. there are different applications you can use to check when target's getting an option and amazon's wish list option. and web sites can try to go after this, they can use technology and other things to look at whether it is a bot working on their site. but still, it's hard for law enforcement to go after them. neil: i can see it with ps5s, popular games, computers and all that, but in extends to processed meats and cheeses, lisa, i'm telling you, game over. [laughter] >> it's true. neil: thank you very much, lisa. that's what's happening. who's taking all of my -- well, so far not meats and cheeses. all right, we have a lot more coming up including the latest on the arrangement of the parents of the shooter or in michigan last week. they're all sharing the same jail right now, after this.

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>> for the moment, they all share the same jail. the michigan shooting suspect, ethan crumbley's parents bleeding not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges that carry at least 15 years in prison per charge. the judge holding them right now on $500,000 bonds as they're deemed to be a flight risk. we don't know exactly who and when and how they'll come up with the money. let's get to the very latest from steve harrigan. steve. >> that's right, neil, the prosecutor getting exactly what she wanted. she wanted $500,000 apiece, all in cash, and that's what she got. the defense wanted just $50,000. the prosecutor won that battle. she made the clear case that these two are a flight risk, that they had not shown up for their arraignment on friday,

that they were discovered in the basement of an art warehouse on the east side of detroit, just a half mile from the border, that they'd taken $4,000 out of an atm and she says that can't be trusted not to run. here is the prosecutor. >> these two individuals were found locked somewhere in a room hiding. these are not people that we can be assured that will return to court on their own. >> we got to hear briefly from both parents from this video screened arraignment and each time the mother had to respond to the four charges of involuntary manslaughter, whether she had to say not guilty or i understand, she basically just sobbed through those words, sobbing each time. the prosecutor laid out the role that the parents played in this shooting according to her, first the father bought the pistol for the 15-year-old boy. the mother trained with him. when the boy was caught in

class searching for ammunition online the mother texted him lol don't get caught next time. most damning when the teacher found a disturbing drawing the 15-year-old drew in class of someone being shot by a handgun bleeding with the caption, the thoughts won't stop, help me. they called an emergency meeting and the parents said nothing about the fact that they bought their child a gun and that the child was returned to class they didn't want to bring him home. just two hours later that the shooting began. neil, back to you. neil: steve, i know their lawyer repeatedly said we're sorry we're here and meant to be at the arraignment and not trying to escape anything, but they did have $4,000 cash on them and they had withdrawn, they were 40 miles from where all of this happened. that's going to be a tough nut to crack there. >> i think you really just have to look at the facts. the lawyer says they're not

trying to flee. they're in the basement of the building when the whole world knew that they were scheduled for an arraignment. they had taken out money and near the border. and a damning fact, there's not one person in the community who were vouch for these parents on this day, neil. neil: steve, do you know if they're looking if they had help, if the parents had help? >> they do think they had help. they had some contact who let them in the building, there's video evidence of them entering the building so there could be more charges to come from this evading arrest and perhaps getting aid from someone as well, neil. neil: thank you for your flawless reporting on this. steve harrigan in oxford, michigan. i want to go to james craig, the former detroit police chief. always good to have you. maybe you can help me sort out details you've been hearing, particularly the one that had, you know, ethan with his parents talking to

administrators, teachers, that very morning of the shootings and then two hours later doing the shooting, and being allowed to return to class, and being allowed to keep his backpack. to be fair, we understand that the administrators there had no idea he had a weapon on him, but what do you make of it all? >> neil, as always, thank you for having me on your show. you know, as i look at this, let me first start by saying my prayers certainly go out to the oxford families, certainly and i want to applaud the work, coordinated efforts by the oakland county prosecutor's office and the detroit police department and u.s. marshals, plate police work, but i'm telling you based on my professional judgment, this could have been prevented. so, while there are a lot of facts that are unknown at this point and we can speculate on what really happened, the one thing that we do know is that when they, the parents, met with a first line employee, a

counselor, and possibly a teacher knew, nothing was done. what should have happened, this information should have been pushed right up to the top of that school organization, that administrator, as well as notifying local law enforcement, the oakland county sheriffs and those parents should have taken a strong position, even if that first line employee, a counselor said, oh, he can go back to his classroom, that's the most ridiculous things i've ever heard and should be lesson learned. there was, as your prior guest said, this was a cry for help. there was a picture, there was a depiction of blood. neil: right. >> and the parents knew about the gun although they didn't mention it to the counselor, we assume. so this could have been prevented and how tragic this situation is just because of failed leadership. neil: you know, chief, i'm

wondering, too, in that meeting on the morning of the shooting, did the parents know that this particular gun was missing. neil: it was bought four days earlier for ethan and they would -- police would tell us you don't have that gun on you, in the backpack. and later on when the shooting transpired we don't know the exact timing, but at least the mother had been texting concerned, don't do it. the father later on presumably after getting wind of the shooting, suspecting and telling, calling police that he thinks it was his son. so, the timing is everything and we don't know the exact timeline, chief. >> right. neil: but i'm wondering what their role would be. in they, in fact, knew that the gun was missing and drawn to the meeting at school, you would think that that would come up, that the parents would raise it out of abundance of concern. >> you know, neil, there

lot of questions and i agree, when did -- i know you brought it up earlier with ted, when did the mother send that text message, was it-- it sounds like it was done after the shooting incident. neil: right. >> and this was a response to, i don't know, they certainly didn't do what they should have done it appears, that should have been the first part of their conversation. neil: i should stress there are disputes on the timing. that's why i raised it. if it's after the shooting has begun it's one thing, if it's before it's another. what's unique and i wanted to pick your brain about this, the parents being brought up on charges, that's very, very rare, i think the last time it happened was back in 2000. what do you make of that, and prosecutors extended it to the parents? >> you know, it is rare, neil, and there's a couple of ways to look at it and certainly it would be pure speculation on my

part. some would say as a gun grab, unless she can definitively show there was some overt actions on the part of the parents, yes, the texts are problematic. do we even know how long, if they knew that there son was going through some mental health crisis. that's a major question because if they knew that and there's been signs in the past, why would we want to have this person get a gun, but then, it becomes even more problematic if you go to the school, you see this depiction, what he drew, well, parents get to make decisions and one decision said, well, we're going to keep our child out of school, we're going to immediately get an evaluation, not what was recommended, get an evaluation in 48 hours, but he can go back to class. big red flag there, neil. and so, i think when you talk about accountability, i think we ought to look at the school, ie, the counselor, maybe a teacher if they knew something,

certainly when you talk about additional charging and you've laid it out very well, when they were found on the east side of detroit in a basement and this person was allowed in, and the world knew that they were fugitives. so again, there may be additional charges, but we can't leave the school out of the equation because i think that's a big part of it. i think that school has done a good job based on what sheriff bouchard of oakland county said earlier, the fact that they've been training for this. the children responded appropriately and the fact that there was, i believe, an armed sheriff on campus that responded very quickly because it could have been a very different situation like parkland, 17 deaths in parkland. neil: right. >> this could have been a lot worse here in michigan. neil: indeed, in the last hour we had andrew pollock who lost his beautiful girl meadow, 17

were killed there and his daughter among them. my final question, chief, i worry about the stuff we don't know, about the things that keep happening where administrators or a school personnel or parents, might be aware of, you know, of an individual, maybe their child, other children, who are aware of things going on, and administrators who are aware of real worrisome kids in their midst and we don't know about it until it's way too late. how often do you think that's going on? >> i think it happens more than we care to admit, neil. you know, we preach after these tragic situations that, you see something, say something, but the reality is, you know, you have someone who's in a school, in a leadership position who becomes aware of something and really does nothing, but offers some sage advice about, well, 48 hours, so i think it happens more than we care to admit. the one thing that's often troubling with me, especially when we talk about folks on the

left, that want to talk about gun reform. let's stop talking about the gun and let's start focusing on the individuals who do violence or engage in violent acts. that's what we need to focus on. if we've got a young managing through a mental crisis let's deal with that issue. if we've got some violent predatory suspect, who is released by a radical progressive judge back into the community and commits murder, let's again focus on those things instead of focusing on the gun. neil: chief craig, thank you very much. and always say when we get together under these circumstances, but i always learn a lot. james craig, the former detroit police chief on these developments. all right, and also on other developments back at the border right now, remember the so-called controversial policy of the trump administration to deal with cases of those trying to get through our border on the mexican side of that border. the biden administration criticized it heavily. now it's endorsing it.

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>> all right. remember when the biden administration was opposing and talking about the bad policy the trump administration instituted about adjudicating those apprehended at the border in the united states rather than mexico and what the trump administration was doing was hold them in mexico not the united states. anyway, sorry for the confusion there, but they're back to the policy so all of those apprehended at the border, those cases will be handled in mexico, just as the trump administration is doing, and trump administration criticized for doing. and casey, how is that going to work out. >> neil, all the way by the way, this was not by choice. the biden administration reenacting this policy because of a court order, but officials here on the ground, working the front lines of the southern border tell thaws while

reinstatement of that policy may help do some things like free up detention space, and obviously, tamp down the number of migrants going into the interior of the u.s. to await their cases, they're not so sure, however, that it will deter the hundreds of thousands of migrants that continue to make their way to the southern border and cross illegally. this is brand new video shot overnight by our photo journalist brian allman showing border patrol agents apprehending a large group of about 300, 250. sometimes the numbers are hard to judge, but that's near the river here in la joya, texas. 24 hours a day, seven days a week, the numbers don't show any sign of slowing soon. texas democrat and running for land commissioner, you recognize the human aspect of

it, but the criminal aspect as well. >> yes, definitely people who need asylum, but we see a whole lot of crime and human trafficking records, amounts of drugs recovered. >> now, officials also say they are they're seeing a jump in the number of so-called runners they encounter, those evading capture or at least trying to. our cameras caught multiple foot pursuits this week. when mpp resumes this coming week, there will be only seven designated ports of entry where they will be used to make reentry back into mexico and send those people back. they're not going to do it at all of the locations, just seven, that includes san diego, nogales, down in arizona, eagle pass, laredo, brownsville. again, this is all flushing out and the difference as well under president biden's policy,

the migrants before they're returned to mexico will be offered a covid vaccine if they want one. neil. neil: casey, thank you very much, a casey stegall in lajoie la joya, texas. and the unemployment numbers, the president argues the only way to get those back is build back better after this. studen? move to sofi and feel what it's like to get your money right. ♪ ♪ move your student loan debt to sofi— you could save with low rates and no fees. earn a $1,000 bonus when you refi— and get your money right. ♪

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him by his grandson. and jobs added 210,000 falling far below expectations. and dropped slightly as wages rose. and here is speaking with harris falkner. >> yes, wages are going up and guess what, prices are going up

faster back to the supply chain problemment and the other thing coming up, the federal reserve has been printing lots and lots of money which is going to break into this economy next year. >> so keep in mind, this jobs report was compiled prior to the discovery of the omicron variant. and the president said his build back better plan is the solution for economic uncertainty and will help to lower inflation. >> nothing will be more expensive for american families than a no vote on the build back better plan. i believe we simply can't afford to do nothing and wait and see what happens. in the moment that we face today. >> so president biden is starting his weekend at camp david today. he's expected to return back to washington tomorrow afternoon. neil. neil: all right, thank you very much. so what does it mean now as far as trying to get this done? they passed a hurdle in congress by agreeing to keep a

shutdown averted until at least the middle of february when they take up the issue yet again. they've got the debt ceiling to push and chuck schumer says she'd like a build back better vote done before the holiday, and is that doable? and the president is in the same campwell. to danielle dimartino booth on this, and dan, as well. and you know, danielle, the one argument i have a hard time getting my hands around, political views notwithstanding, is the idea that it's going to help with inflation. usually, the rule of thumb is the more the government spends, you know, the more you ignite inflation. it's just by degrees. so, one of the things i've heard expressed by a number of democrats this past week on the show is this idea that, you know, this will tamp that down, that if you cell drug prices, as a component for that, it's

also going to help people who heretofore had a stretch with money afford more now and child care guarantees, but i just don't see it. i don't see how that math adds up. what about you? >> i don't either. earlier this week in congressional testimony treasury secretary yellin insisted that what was pumped into the economy was not responsible for the inflation, which has a ludicrous assumption. and many families said i don't need this child credit every month. and that's why the voices are louder, they say we need to step back and see the effect of this fiscal spending and craft legislation more reasonably so

we're not giving money to people who don't need it, and into the economy and buying things they don't necessarily need igniting inflation. neil: and people who make the arguments that seem nonsensical at the surface. one thing i've heard because the massive package includes child care credit and the rest, it will make a difference and people will go back to work. we didn't have any of this child care credit, universal health and a lot of other things prior to the pandemic and we had gotten as low as 3 1/2% unemployment. i know the pandemic, maybe that child care got to be a big issue and i get that, but not enough, i would think, to all of a sudden, a, get them running back to work, or b, not having any effect on inflation. i just don't see it, what say you? >> neil, i think your most important words there were all of a sudden. i think all of the politicians

are talking past each other and themselves on this notion that anything is going to happen all of a sudden. you know, this bill is about the future, it's about the proceed medium and long-term if you like it you should like it, if you don't-- >> the child care credits kick in immediately and that's the kind of thing that could be inflationary, no? >> and i think there's conditions that weren't present before the pandemic, but beforee your point, again, if you want to support this, those will be things that will help immediately. i agree with you, i don't see anything alleviating inflation in those -- in those tax credits. but i think the inflation is all about -- is mostly about the supply chain problems not these other things and so-- . you don't think that that exacerbates it? just curious. >> do i think -- do i think it will exacerbate the supply chain problems? no. neil: i'm talking about inflation, does it exacerbate

inflation? you don't think it does? >> not next week, no, i highly doubt that. neil: i'm not talking next week, but next year is good enough. dan, where are you on this? every time the government comes in to help or deal with something, you could make a pretty good argument that, well, it might help some, spending of any sort on such a large scale and i think it was proper for danielle to go back over the couple years and the packages that occurred under democrats and republican administrations, i cannot help, but think that that is eventually going to lead to a push up in prices. we saw it with, even during the '60s with the vietnam war spending, inflation moved up. nothing to the degree that we saw in the '70s, but government spending, higher prices do tend to go hand in hand. >> neil, as economists are talking about the impact of this bill on inflation, you hear some saying, well, it will only have a little bit of

impact or it may not have any or it's really going to impact inflation heavily meaning it goes up. but who is out there saying it's going to help? who's not a politician and who is looking to pass this bill. that build back better is the answer to everything. we have a supply side problem right now. so, until we get policies in place to start addressing that, and yes, supply chain is one of them, but it goes beyond that. it goes to why do we have people not being more incentivized to get back to work? we have a labor shortage. if you want to have that supply side start to meet demand and bring down inflation, do the things you have to do to get people back to work, and let's get a hold on energy. now, prices are coming down right now, but let's get back to being energy independent, neil. to have to rely on opec or

foreign countries is a bad move for us and-- you've made a good point, but let me point it out, a very good one, that a lot of this is just coming out of a pandemic and the demand that shot up, i get that and obviously, that's led to this run-up in prices here, but i am wondering, going forward right now, whether in a year we just saw, four million plus people have left the work force, that in i go -- that anything is going to incentivize them to come back. >> you have to go down to the brass tacks here. there's survey that 90% of u.s. families, that's ludicrous. again, not all of these people need it and if it's enough money tax that we're giving families that they're choosing to stay out of the work force that pushes up for small business. neil: maybe there's something bigger going on here and all of

this big spending might be a waste of time. >> it's a complete waste. we've incentivized americans to stay out of the work force and that's not the american way and throwing more money at it is not going to solve the situation. neil: adam. >> people are hurting, despite danielle talking to people who aren't hurting, this legislation is trying to address that. if we want to look at history lessons, you raised the '60s, and the '50s focused on changing things for the better, that's what the president and the administration is doing. neil: we didn't have all the debt that we have now. didn't have the mess that we have now. it's a little different. i was way too long. i wasn't born, i didn't come in until, well, about the '50s, i get what you say. we have a lot more coming up, defending the defense summit going on at the reagan library at the same time vladimir putin has 100,000 poised at the

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>> all right. big doings going on at the reagan public library and one thing is getting in the way and maybe making the conference a bit more newsthy than it normally might be even with the all the big wigs there. news that the russians are about to invade ukraine with the soldiers at the border. >> good morning, neil. is a u.s. defense official are taking the kremlin seriously and not as a bluff. a report shows the plans for potential invasion of ukraine involve up to 175,000 russian troops and half of the forces are already on the bo are der with ukraine officials say. and president biden vowing on friday that the u.s. would make

it difficult for russian president vladimir putin to carry out the plan. >> we're aware of russia's actions for a long time and my expectation is you're going to have a long discussion. >> secretary of state, antony blinken, called for deescalation during a meeting with russian foreign minister lavrov if stockholm this week. and if russia pursues confrontation. putin warns of u.s. military and activity getting closer to russian borders and demanding the president guarantee that ukraine will be allowed to join, rather, the n.a.t.o. alliance. the president brushing off that demand yesterday. >> i don't accept anybody's red line. i don't accept anybody's red line. >> reuters now reporting that the president and putin are expected to hold a video call on tuesday to talk about ukraine, among other issues, neil. neil: that should be an interesting call. thank you very, very much. we've got lt. colonel bob

mcginnis with us. it's great having you. if you were in on that call, what would you be like to hearing? >> well, i'd like to hear mr. biden talk about what he means by consequences, if in fact the russians do invade. right now, the ukraine armed forces is inaequately prepared for a assault across the eastern ukraine. i would think if putin would launch an attack he'd take it to the neeper river area and they could, called up thousands of reservists for the express purpose of controlling a population in the eastern part of that country. keep in mind, the pretext, what mr. putin would be looking for after the sochi olympics, with

the premise that they were forced out of office by mass demonstrations 6789 we've seen already talks of a coup this past week. we've seen the buildup. we've heard the belarus, they're hosting a joint exercise with the russians to the north, these are all very significant developments and finally, with antony blinken over in latvia this past week, the threats from the u.s. from n.a.t.o. secretary again are about sanctions. russia's already gone under a lot of sanctions. i don't think that's going to scare off putin. he has a very clear agenda, and unless mr. biden on tuesday gives him what he wants, which is essentially, he wants guarantees that n.a.t.o. won't move forward, that they won't station, now, long range ballistic missiles in that area, then he's probably going

to launch an operation late january. neil: you know what? you're the expert on these military matters and i read robert ludlum books. and whether any of this is in coordination, that is the russians, with the chinese. in other words, you could say china tells them you keep them busy and confused over ukraine and we'll continue with taiwan in the south china sea. >> you're right on there, spot on, neil. i wrote a back in 2018 axis of evil where there's a new conspiracy basically alliance between moscow and beijing. what president xi jinping of china wants is, of course, to take over taiwan. he's very much like the ancient manchus that dominated the asian continent. he'll do what was necessary and

it may be that what putin doing is a feint in the west to draw our attention and then of course, to launch with air enthusiasts and otherwise means against taiwan. i don't discount that at all. neil: all right. see what i learn from just reading your books and others? colonel, it's great to see you again, hope you have a merry christmas if we don't chat. >> you, as well. neil: colonel maginnis. do you have any further proof that the economy is booming and real estate is booming in certain areas, miami among them, but not for the reason you think after this. are trapped paying too much for wireless and still paying off their phone! but when you switch to t-mobile they will pay off your phone so you can keep your current number and your phone! objection! what if you bought your phone at at&t or verizon? t-mobile will pay it off! switch to t-mobile and we'll pay off your phone.

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dazzle miami taking over the entire city. the largest contemporary art fare, it feels like a walking art installation and event everywhere you go including right here on miami beach. we have several installations, including the 40-foot video ones right here against the back drop of the atlantic ocean, that's attracting the crowds and really, this is a symbol on the growing trend in the art world, which is crypto art. and they're fn p's, every company, every celebrity is trying to get in on this. and we've seen this business really grow 145% this year. so $10 billion a quarter business. i've been speaking to some of the most influential and crypto arts and i asked them what's going on here? >> we're starting to see that crypto is starting to affect culture and that's the way it's worked throughout history where those who are making value more abstract and get to determine what is fun and what is culture. >> well, i think that the

markets are just getting started and ramping up in a big way. last quarter we had $10 billion of trading volume or across the asset class. >> part of this is the great wealth redistribution thanks to cryptocurrency because a lot of people who are driving this market have been in crypto for five or, you know, eight years. >> and art basel, miami, is a great example as to the disc chretienry spending and people want to open up their wallets and art. and i felt this year it's become younger because of the growing trend and the interest and enthusiasm for nfc's. somebody has to do this job. back to you. neil: the monitor behind you is floating. >> actually, i think it's-- there's a power generator behind there, but it's runs for the entire event and again, it's one of the installations

across miami. winwood, there's graffiti art, creative and inspiring. >> could you switch it to fox news? thank you very, very much. great to see you again. susan li, the force of fox business in miami, that's a tough assignment. it's time for giving and how much do you give? what's your rule of thumb for just tipping during the holidays? you'll be surprised after this. ok, well it's time to go. -no, no, no, no, no! dad, we have to go back to lowe's. ho, ho, ho! dad! the tire! this it? -yeah! the holidays being at lowe's, where you'll find all you want during winterfest. ugh, carolers. let's go back to lowe's. yeah, let's go back to lowe's. c'mon! yeah!

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>> you know, we were thinking on cavuto live, it happens sometimes, but inflation is a real problem, right? so it's harder for you to afford the stuff you want to buy and then you have to think of others and tip them or pay

them, people like that. and i try to reward people and process meats and cheeses they held relatively constant. i don't know what jimmy fallon does or finding my place author or much, much more. they're mega gazillionaires in their own right. jimmy, do you have a policy for tipping? >> i do. before i do, and i have to thank the cavuto staff on saturday. neil: complaining again. >> no i'm not. most tv shows sum a guy like me is waking up on a park bench. neil: that's where you're at, you're on a park bench. >> i'm happy to say i was indoors. but i want to say i drove a taxi in new york city for a long time, neil and i have a

basic survivor's guilt for getting out of that and now a talk show host. i've been tipping drivers to make them think i'm romantically interested. there's a line of ubers outside of my house with wine and roses. whether you have the survivor's guilt you need to tip or because inflation as bad as it is, you wind up looking tacky if you tip the regular amount because it doesn't go as far. now, everybody knows the story of someone who got a gift card for $50 to a steakhouse where the meal costs $350. [laughter] >> jenna and i went to dell frisco's and thrilled when we went into the restaurant and not as thrilled when we walked into the kitchen to wash dishes afterwards. neil: and the certificates

maybe a little higher, maybe $55. elizabeth, what about you? do you have a rule of thumb for let's say tipping at a restaurant or, i don't know where you live, tipping your doorman or your building attendant, or whomever? how do you go about it? >> it's a good question, keep in mind it's been a really, really rough few years and looking forward to the holiday season in different financial situations, and you know, all jokes aside the consumer price index saw its sharpest rise in october over 30 years and keep that in mind. if you have the resources to tip please keep that in mind and mindful of everyone around you and the dollar probably won't stretch as far as it used to. neil: do you give less then? who are do you keep that in mind? is there a percentage rule you try to apply. let's say when you go out, 15, 20%? a little more during the holidays? >> year round the lucky one served in that moment and tip keeping that in mind and that

person might be struggling more than you. neil: even if there's lousy service? everyone is struggling. >> particularly in the service industry, they were hit harder than just about anybody out there. you're always supposed to be tipping 20%, but i really think if you have it within you to tip 30 or even 40, you think about the positive effect you're having on their life. you know? so maybe one less cabernet for you, equals a little bit more spiritual currency for them. if you're a decent person trying to project good things into the universe, yeah, you should be tipping, especially this year, because people took a beating. i know the dnc tweeted the other day that gas is down 2 cents a gallon. that's not the consolation it is. when you're paying an extra $1 a gallon for gas and forget the drivers, think about the people on my show who likes to sniff gas. [laughter]

>> no one talks about that. neil: i'm curious, so many people in our lives are important to us, beyond our family, the people you work with and talk about the people, maybe the person who cuts your hair or whatever, how do you handle that, elizabeth? what do people or you recommend are a part of our lives that we sometimes forget, but shouldn't, during the holiday season? >> i'm going to echo what jim said, one last class yourself and remember it's the holiday season and there's a lot more meaningful things in life than money. neil: i want exact examples, you're dodging me. >> to those that are near and dear to your heart, i could bake them cookies, spend extra time with them, and some things that you can do together, where someone that's serving you at a restaurant you can't do the same thing so i think it's putting two things in perspective and giving things of equal magnitude in different ways. neil: do you agree with that, jimmy, and is there a group of people, every year you try to

get to or just recognize? >> here it is. >> the guys who collect the trash, neil, always, number one, they're splitting that on the truck, not as generous as you think. and number two, that tip does buy you some currency. my garbage guys-- >> oh, you have an agenda. you want payback? >> no question. neil: incredible. just incredible. >> the people who clean my office at fox, i am buying their silence. [laughter] >> and please don't talk about all the snickers i have in my fridge. neil: all right, all right. i would just hand the snickers out. elizabeth quickly, do you think this is going to be a generous year with all the inflation going on? apparently charities are reporting business as the money is coming in. >> i would hope after listening to us the last four minutes people are charitable. neil: and they know they are he a getting cookies from you and

from jimmy-- >> and that's like a gift in and of itself. thank you guys very much. so if you have the means, share it. if you do something, you know, just share it. i think bakery products, processed meats and cheeses works. an idea for me, maybe i just mentioned it, that will do it here. fox news continues.

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