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but in all seriousness, our show lost an important ally this weekend, a man who has been a supporter and deeply involved in the success of this program since day one. you can say he was our shining light, or a lone, our muse. second man and his own family, but number one in our hearts. ♪ ♪ that was a lot of work put into that. in a blow that has left all of us reeling, chris cuomo is terminated from cnn after the network allegedly just learned that he had been accused of sexual misconduct by a woman who has worked with him previously at abc. yeah, just learned. they also just learned the pp tapes were fake. jesse smollett is a liar and don lemon can't read. of course, this tragic news is leaving a huge hole in my show when it came to labs, cuomo

provided more than a bus full of nitrous upping clowns. shock has left many of us in denial. >> my job has gotten a lot harder having chris gone. the amount of idiotic things he would say on tv made my day so easy. not anymore. merry christmas. >> 5,000 chris cuomo jokes under review. it has been a waste of two hours. >> i'm exhausted. i need to be able to focus all his attention i am making sure it was workout videos. these are [bleep] great. >> is just that he said so many dumb things. i just can't believe we're going to have to cover the news now. >> awaits. so you're saying there is not going to be those lightly and outs between him and don lemon? what are we going to talk about?

>> greg: it has been a rough day for all of us. everyone here. let's go to carl bernstein. tell us, is this worse than watergate? >> what we are watching is worse than watergate. are there echoes of watergate in this? and there are. they're also witnessing something we did not see at watergate which is a meltdown. what we are seeing is worse than watergate. >> greg: yes. for once, carl is right. obviously, people handled the news differently. some people are weeping. others are lashing out in a group. some are just trying to eat away the pain. >> oh, the crunch. >> greg: that never gets old. and there are others who, after more cuomo cracks at the fan, i know mike happily threw him under the bus pretending there are always critical of his behavior. >> there were just so many headaches time and time again involving chris cuomo that even

though many viewers loved watching cuomo prime time, that he was causing so many headaches for the network and for cnn staffers. that ultimately this decision was reached. >> greg: yeah. he says that now. but you have to hand it to the pudgy pontificate her. he puts the company man in company manatee. in case you forgot, this bloated broadcaster does i showed nobody watch called "reliable sources." apparently when came to the chris cuomo sources, the sources weren't reliable at all because he remained silent for month on the cuomo scandals preferring to spend his time complaining about fox news. now he's trying to rewrite history. meanwhile, cuomo is now claiming that zucker was aware of everything. the spokesman telling "the wall street journal," owned by our parent company, the olsen twins, that chris and cnn president jeff zucker will out they know to be extremely close and in regular contact,

including about the details of mr. cuomo's support for his brother. in a scene and snapping back telling the journal about cuomo has made a number of accusations that are patently false pride this reinforces what he was terminated for filing our standards and practices. so it's about to get uglier than a sheep with a bikini wax. but whoever wins this battle, he can't look good for cnn. it's no longer the most trusted name in news at regional airports or delta terminals. even the broadcasting balloon boy wonders, has cnn lost trust as a result of this? >> has cnn lost trust as a result of this? >> well, i don't know. that is hard to say. cnn has lost trust. >> home xp when he just had a! that maybe it is hard to say. how can they lose something been destroyed with their own hand? where is this trust to lose after the occlusion hoax, the fine people lie, the injecting bleach hoax, covington, kavanaugh, smollett.

but like a newborn with a pacifier, it's so cute when you suck. we were the first ticket discover the chimes of clement supported him although i like i'll be cnn clowns no angling for his job they are despicable. as you know, come somewhat with their highest rated host. that's like having the most fingers at a leper colony. the skin biopsy i got last year drew a larger audience than cuomo. turns out, that skin graft was a honey nut cheerios. but it still beats cuomo in the 18-54-year-old demographic which is important. so what does this mean for the 9:00 p.m. slot? who should cnn but there? i smell a -- >> biden mike gutfeld in association with jiffy lube presents who wants to be a prime time hose? >> greg: what does it take to make on cnn other than a ton of low self-esteem or his parents? it turns out getting her to something to do with talent, brands, or good hair.

-- you see, cnn is an opt out ratings. it is about reach meaning that the number to consist only to create angry clips of fake news which they then disperse on the internet or its influences really pedaled. it's like a baseball farm team that develops talent to send up to the major leagues where they will be watched by a bigger audience. so instead of appeal, seen and the opposite. let's take a look at their current anchors. so -- are you angry and petulant? are you the product of famous parents? are you miserably arrogant? are you just plain stupid? do you look like you passed away ten years ago? if you fulfill most of the criteria, cnn is hiring. like a very lazy paperboy, cnn is not interested and delivering news peer the real profit model is to attract eyeballs to

conflict. think of the jerry springer show by in tiny bite size servings fired like a glitter gun into the population. in the worse you feel about america, the better they do. that should be their slogan. or in an educated consumer is our best customer. will they find another chris cuomo? maybe we should leave cnn with some lasting words of hope to make them try. let's say it one more time, shall we? >> what do you say? speak out let's get after. >> let's get after. >> let's get after. >> let's get after it. >> greg: let's welcome tonight guests. he's the sharpest brain that sets off metal detectors. fox news contributor, ari fleischer. she talked so fast, your ears will need a double espresso. emily compagno. caution, his advice on addiction

may be habit-forming. ask dr. drew host, and author of the new book, it doesn't have to be awkward, dr. drew pinsky. and finally, she lights up any room with her smile and also her blowtorch. fox news contributor, kat timpf. dr. drew, as a humane loving human being, i am conflicted. because i don't like to cheer when people lose their job. >> i understand. but i have to say i'm the person person to be sitting here tonight. not to count to you about losing somebody getting canceled, but you remember i was on hl and see for seven years, 2010 to 2017 and you hurled a whole evening's worth of insults out of me tonight about what a loser i am having been there. but that is okay. let me just say that i -- and by the way, tied to it further, my executive producer, whom i love and there are booted to make

brilliant television producer was the producer of the jerry springer show. >> greg: you are not just a solution but the cause of all of this? >> and i would be on scene on essentially every night. i was on hl line every night and some promotional thing with don lemon. when i got to chris very well. you'll terrible about this. but he is clearly -- something needed to be done. it's unfortunate. we feel coca did about about something had to be done. i want to say that maybe it will improve the sort of outlook people have towards journalism. >> greg: emily, you claim to be a lawyer. >> sometimes. >> greg: if chris is found innocent from the sexual misconduct allegations, could he sue? sounds like he wanted to. >> he has artie threatened to make good on the $6 million per year contract, what he is left of those four years. i will say, however, he gives me great joy and glee to see him without a job. you see this donner party

cesspool happening at cnn which is then eating each other. because after he was fired, for example, now they are firing shots of class -- terminated not only for violating that but also for his lack of canned door. and back and forth. they are saying well, who knew what went? but these kinds of monsters aren't created in a vacuum. they were enabled by zucker. when was it over over 23 years ago when he said to michael cohen do i look like the kind of guy that needs to bring going up to a hotel room and open my bathrobe? that hubris is the kind that leads to him thinking he can get away with anything, thinking that he is untouchable, and thinking that there is zero accountability. so i see this as bringing someone like that with the head too big head to fit through the door but it's bringing him down to earth. but they will replace them with an equal 80. >> maybe i will get my job back.

>> greg: i always leave my bathrobe on because i have too much hubris. i don't even know hubris is. ari, did you ever work with, or have run-ins with him? what is your impression of this whole thing? >> my name is ari fleischer, and i too used to be a cnn contributor. i'm in a step-by-step program. i watch the show to get over it, which makes me about 33% of their audience. the problem that chris has, and i don't take joy in this, i really don't. he lost his job in a very publicly embarrassing way. but seen in his problem is religious focused problem. when the story broke, the washington story broke in may. it was six month ago. in "the washington post" reported that chris, chris cuomo, "joined a series of conference calls governor cuomo, lawyers, communication teams."

what did they think he was doing on this cause? and then in august, the attorney general of new york released her investigation, and she wrote in august that chris was on the calls to "control and direct the governor's response." what does control and direct mean? did you think there were no meetings or phone calls? so, cnn has been asleep on the switch on this afraid to take action until now. so what changes now other than the existence of the emails coming out? well, this was the investigation cnn did not want to investigate. they have to protect their number one ranked anchor who's ranking was pretty low compared all the other shows on tv. but if you're going to be in the journalism business, the journalism. don't be an active as. >> greg: that's the whole entire scene in line on. this could be an opportunity for cnn to actually reboot and become him they once were. but i don't think that is happening. kat, let's play hypothetical

situation. i watched brian stelter the moment that chris cuomo was gone. basically just -- the company motto. would you do that if they unloaded me? would you go out and go you know what? he was a problem. >> is there something in it for me? it depends on what is in it for me. but was still there, wow, are you bad at your job. five days ago he was saying yeah, chris cuomo, probably back in january. nice job chief media reporter. really? you are the chief media reporter and you don't have better intel of the media company that you work at? to report on this, you don't even need to put your coat on. how are you that bad? >> greg: that's a good point. >> they talk to him and tell him the scene online on background and then brian reports. speak out what an job.

>> greg: it's great. being a media reporter at cnet means you only report on fox. let's all -- she had to sit there and watch fox. >> you must be a media reporter on fox. >> greg: i do a lot on joy reid. the problem with the media, they will find a replacement quiz cuomo because this industry attracts vain, egotistical, insecure, arrogant people. case in point. up next, meet the boss who lowered the boom over zoom. ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ i'm on fire ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em... ♪ doesn't your family deserve the best? eggland's best eggs. classic, cage free, and organic. more delicious, farm-fresh taste. plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever.

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them all via zoom? to show a guard, yes, that the shawl guard , wondering where he went. in a long time since i heard from him. the ceo of the online mortgage lender, better.com, fire nearly 900 employees. the reason for the dunce has? in addition to changing market conditions, apparently workers were being unproductive and that was tantamount to stealing from customers. i would have been outraged to if i knew it tantamount to mean. is that really necessary, the word tantamount? holiday season is tantamount. according to him, the company started taking a closer look at employee productivity metrics and that's when they noticed the lack of performance good but the ceo says his decision to fire so many wasn't an easy one.

>> this is the second time in my career i'm doing this, and i do not, do not want to do this. last time i did it, i cried. we are laying off about 15% of the company aired if you are on this call, you are part of the unlucky group being laid off. >> greg: terrible. that takes some serious tones to expect sympathy from the people he just fired. but i guess he is the real victim. i mean, he still has to work for [bleep]. that's him, emily. anyhow, this is carol my cat fired his last assistance >> greg: you know, i learned -- i've been fired three times in my career in publishing. sometimes you need a little push. you need somebody to push you out the door because sometimes

firings can be really good, emily. was this the most practical way to fire people on zoom? >> i love it. >> greg: really? >> i'm a great person. >> greg: you love chris cuomo getting fired and now you are dancing on these people. you are a dork person. >> here is why. first of all, i love that these guys on average work blocking at hours a day and yet their productivity was two hours a day. there were like 900 employees. they all stealing your money and yet this guy has the reputation for high expectations and getting upset over tiny infractions. this isn't a tiny infraction. this is straight up that. when i words a federal attorney, i was in charge of firing. and when i fired people, first of all, everyone lost their mind i would freak out. i would have to notify security have had a time. would have to have all these things in between me and the person and like a letter opener and my blending case i had to defend myself. so this guy doing over zoom, i

am like absolutely. wipe the slate clean. your safety is entered and get these guys out of there because they are probably all and generation z or millennials who don't know the value of time and hard work. why am i the only person -- i feel so strongly about this. >> you will be seen on tiktok later. >> greg: kat, i love the fact that it is called better.com. that is slightly ironic. >> better than what? well, this guy is bleep. i did some research on them and it sounds like he's a bad guy. he has a reputation for being a [bleep]. but when i was fired for my reporting job, they made me drive to fire me, which i would have rather been fired over zoom. because i do spend money on gas for you to tell me you will no longer be paying for my gas. could you not have done over the phone? so i feel like that is nice.

also, how do you fire 900 people individually? that's a lot of people. >> greg: that is a lot of work work. ari, you've probably fired a lot of people. how do you grade this? >> the good news is there are now 900 openings for chris cuomo so he has a future, potentially. >> greg: but be careful when you use the word opening. >> different story. >> stay tuned. >> greg: between kat and emily? >> i'm leaning towards emily. the source of the information that people were clocking for eight i was only working for two because when you work from home and you work from suit b3 you have a lot -- the ceo of the company previously anonymously -- should have put his name on it, sent email to all employees complaining about that fact. that he did a search, the data

showed you guys aren't logging in, you are missing meetings with clients, you're not showing up for customer appointments. they were taking advantage of covid. there is something going on in society now where it's good to have people working from home. i like working from home. but are you really working? >> greg: it's the distance. when you can get away with something easily, you tend to get away with it. we offer this free food in this company because of going out during covid. all i do with the package snacks. i've gained a pound's because it is easy. >> you are fired. >> greg: i am fired. up to talk to dr. drew. afraid i'm going to have to let you go... forward with an interesting comment. i want to focus on something that already has convinced me that maybe the crazy mean lady is right. that's you, emily. not kat. >> he told his former business partner that he was going to

"staple him against the [bleep] wall and burn him alive." i'm just saying, probably not a nice guy. >> greg: that's good evidence. this is like a real court case. dr. drew, i like the part where he was telling people how hard it is and he cried. is that a good strategy? speak out no. "this is so hard for me." but the it is interesting that employers have to realize the disgruntled employees have a whole new set of ways to get their revenge. bring a camera in, take are doing, put it on tiktok. here we go. and disgruntled employee, as you know, that is why you wear your thing in your hair in case you have to shave somebody. i did do this once. i do web company back in the day and we had to acquire half of our company which was 75 people. bring them all into a room and go -- worsening. unavailable to talk about it. that's what he should have done.

>> greg: i would've called you -- you i -- spewing you know a dressmaker's and then i will leave it there? why is everyone in the tech industry wearing sleeveless down vest? even when you are frying people, have to wear this sleeveless vest? everybody wears this. you see this -- like oh, they are in davos or aspen. you are firing people. why don't you wear a gd tie for god's a cute sleeveless [bleep]. thank you. all right. on that note, is working for kamala causing staffers trauma-la. right, girl? >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ when you really need to sleep you reach for the really good stuff.

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yes, kamala's rage is out of control and staffers say it is taking its toll. the office has become a revolving door stoppers with former -- sharing their war stories with "the washington post." one ex-staffers hang with kamala you have to put up with constant amount of soul destroying criticism and also her own lack of confidence. seo constantly sort of propping up a bully and it's not really -- but at least one of her minions once they want to know everything is not unicorns and lollipops over there. check out this tweet. open and absolutely love my job just thought some of you should know. all right, david. blink twice if you are in danger. he even included proof, a picture of him happily working away at his desk. i'm surprised he is not holding a copy of "usa today" per proof of life. but what is on his computer

screen? let's take a look. all right. ari, you worked in the white house. isn't this kind of part of the deal? >> please tell me he didn't tweet that. that has to be fabricated. >> greg: he is the white house version of a teacher's pet. speak out when the story broke, i was actually inclined to give kamala harris enter staff the benefit of the doubt. it is a grinding, grueling burnout job. and then i saw kamala harris do an interview when she said it is no big deal. and then i stopped giving her any credit. here is the problem. she was asked about her communications that her prices terry departure and she said i really wished her well. i wish you well. and i am really sincere about it. as soon as she said that, i am really sincere about that, i knew she wasn't sincere about that. that is the problem. if you really wish someone well, you wish them well. she could end the sentence. so there is a problem.

and the burnout accelerates during these problems. that is legit. but there is also such a sense of -- and you typically last longer than a year before you burnout. >> greg: kat, i think this a true achievement and diversity that a female person of color can be just as awful as an old white -- >> i thought you said you weren't going to use your talking points from "the five." people are saying because she is a woman this is happening which makes no sense. people have fled from me before also. nothing to do with me being a woman. it is the woman that i am. which i think would be better if she could meant that. you could be like yeah, i am a psycho. i am crazy. i have so much respect for a mean person who is like i am a mean person. just be a mean lady. like, two of your senior staffers, only two have worked with you before last year. clearly there has been a lot of turnover. you are a mean. we like yes, that is because i

am mean. i would respect that. >> greg: me too. if you embrace your mean, you don't have to do with any of this that comes with the territory. if it's criticism coming from an bidding on the show they will be called racist or misogynistic, correct? >> of course. and i think kat is exactly right. it's the cover up that makes people uncomfortable. the lack of sincerity in the name of sincerity. trust me, i am lying. and the wife and everything makes it really uncomfortable to watch. if she would just owner what she has i think we would be a lot more comfortable with what is going on. >> greg: i bet you are conflicted, amply because you have a strident character and personality -- i don't know where in going with this. you hate bellyaching underlings. speak out she fires them. >> i pair them. here is the thing. the issue is not mean, it is incompetent. you read in your intro. and issue is that she has a lack

of confidence per the reason that she has made it this far is because she has been propped up by the people of california that were duped into believing that she checks the box and therefore we're going to take her from position to position to position. as the eight families in san francisco that have money supported her campaign along the way. those are those that lived under her watch as d.a., as attorney general, as senator understand that she is just simply incompetent. but the stories of the civil war, a faction ending within her staff, the fact that she can commit to some type of messaging or any type of platform, she capitulates to those who are donors but then turned around and flops on what she has committed to. that has plagued her this entire time. but what we gods, what we voted for him a what they voted for, is exactly what we are getting nailed vice president. and you don't run a staff with 30 and of them run to cnn anonymous sources. how many? 32? without there being a ring of

truth. doesn't mean she is incompetent. >> greg: that's what happens when you go from one variable. if you only go by i didn't d and take that box you never know when it is has disproved the whole idea of identity politics. >> i am just thinking that she typifies what goes on in california. >> greg: dr. drew, you are cutting into the next segment about you know what. coming up, a land mine where the don't shine. ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ if your dry eye symptoms keep coming back, what?! no! over the counter eye drops typically work by lubricating the eyes and may provide temporary relief. xiidra works differently, targeting inflammation that can cause dry eye disease.

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♪ ♪ >> greg: was there an ammunition dump inside his rump? they wanted to avoid a blast from explosives in his ass. they feared the scene might turn heinous because of what he shoved up his... anyway. according to the sun, the paper. a bomb squad rushed to an english emergency room after a

patient arrived with a world war ii artillery shell inside his. fire and the hole, literally. it's amazing what people like. but it sometimes make you wonder if i have a problem. yeah, i thought about playing pro ball but they told me my muscles were too big. and it would've been a hindrance and they couldn't -- oh, no, not another intervention. is this an intervention? what is it this time? speak out the jokes, the far jokes, now you are just doing butt jokes. people are in danger. >> notes not. can't we do something about the beltline? >> greg: i'm sorry. this is what people want. they want emergency room disasters involving the butt. >> no they don't. >> greg: shove it up your ass. >> greg: !

after removing the land mine from his behind, doctors said by sister royal hospital worried that it might explode in the culver. thankfully, the show was a lump of metal and there was no risk. but it raises a depression question. how did the shell, like the one seen here, get there in the first place? and did he at least claim out to dinner first? he claimed it was a freak accident and fell directly on it. sounds like it is not the accident -- but did people buy that? i'm asking for a friend and definitely not my soul. how likely is it that this actually happened? we break it all down on... >> greg's science corner. with dr. drew. >> greg: thank you dr. drew for falling all the way across the country to discuss this actual incident. >> finally a straight medical topic.

your preoccupation with that anatomy is a pleasure to serve. >> greg: tell me about it. is the patient's explanation possible? >> here's the comedy. if you work at any emergency room in this country for longer than two weeks you will see somebody come in with something in their keister. and they always say the same thing. and i mean always. they always say the same thing. "i sat on it" where i slipped and fell on it. >> greg: i would have said sat on it. >> they always say it is from world war ii. >> greg: two favor wars. you know it i noticed with these incidents, they totally overlook the korean war. it is so unfair. so unfair. they just up from world war ii up there butts but they never give the korean war the respect it deserves. >> this is why they are called the greatest generation.

>> greg: that is true. speak out now they are the greatest penetration. i will be here all night, everybody. >> greg: that was pretty good. speak out the little green army men are up there sometimes too. >> greg: the guy i dated in high school... >> what did he fall on? >> i just remembered something from my past. he said he fell on a pole of his ass. are you telling me that is not what happened? >> greg: that is why we do these topics so people can learn a little bit more about themselves. >> no, but i am not joking. >> greg: we sit here and laugh. >> he has a baby now. >> that's beautiful. >> that is weird. >> greg: at least on say his name. and the weird thing is, it was just a few months ago.

he is still in high school. >> if something happened, he didn't fall on it. >> greg: dr. drew, we have to move on. >> do we really have to? >> greg: we have these competitive hot dog eating contests. just putting it out there. >> why don't we make it a competition? >> greg: i would -- >> before you do, these things, often, they can be quite serious. people die. they are afraid to call men. >> greg: it's not a laughing matter we said after laughing for 4 minutes. on man who is digging deep into the covid start in a book that is a work of art to. ♪ i see them bloom ♪ ♪ for me and you ♪ ♪ and i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪

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>> great to be on the show. at some point, it is a cowritten book. my coauthor is alina chan, a brilliant young scientist at mit. >> greg: tell me what is special about her because that is kind of a big deal. >> she is a very talented young scientist. she got interested during this pandemic. she said is important we find out. she began piecing together the story. she found some things that surprise her. she started laying them out. i began to rely on her as a source for some writing i was doing. i was also curious where did this virus come from. both of us thought it was probably out of that wet market in the chinese city it came from. then we begin to find that the wet market theory fell apart in the laboratory week theory got stronger. we haven't ended up concluding that is definitely that. we don't know enough, but we try to take the reader with us on an exploration of everything we know and everything we don't know. >> greg: everything in that

book, i read it, i read it in one day because it is so compelling. and it is like a detective novel. and i -- even the conclusion doesn't matter because it is the journey there. i thought -- go ahead. >> yeah. exactly. we were worried that the problem would be solved before the book came out. and then it wouldn't be interesting. but we still don't know the answer. we don't claim there is of information to decide one way or the other. but it is pretty clear it is 1 of 2 follow ohmic possibilities. either the market were a leak from the loop of oratory. and the latter has got really quite compelling and it needs to be taken seriously. but a lot of the scientific establishment, a lot of the journalistic establishment, just as i want to talk about it which is a pity because it is a really important issue for the millions of people who died and so that we can prevent the next pandemic.

>> greg: absolutely. and to that point, the lesson and your book is to look for the dog bit is not barking. the conspicuous absence of a variant or location. to have all these experts pushing elvis information but they are not talking about the vax foul batson that little cave in that province or this variant that seems to be almost 100% white covid and that's what kind of trick in your fellow author. it's the thing they are not talking about it, that's the thing. >> a very nice example of that where they described the spike protein right at the start of the pandemic in this virus. and they just don't point out that it has got a feature that no other sars-like virus has ever had ended. and it's like describing the unicorn and not mentioning the horn. and that when you find out what that feature is, which it takes us a long time to explain in the book, it is a feature they've been putting into viruses

deliberately in various places in order to make them easy to grow and laboratories. and they had a plan to do exactly that with sars-like viruses and wuhan. and that is disturbing because they knew western scientists knew about this plan, back in 2018. when the pandemic started, they didn't tell us. we found that out from leaked information just a couple of months ago. >> greg: you come away believing that this was a cover-up in a way. in -- they succeeded in gain of function before -- they thought we could anticipate new strains. that's like they created a machine to create a lottery numbers. and it's like maybe we can just create the strain that is going to come up. it is absolutely mind-boggling that they did this. >> the purpose of the research they were doing and wuhan more than anywhere else on the planet, this is the place doing sars-coronavirus research on a

bigger scale than anywhere in the world. the purpose of that research was to predict the next pandemic or prevent the next pandemic. while, it certainly failed at that. >> greg: it created the next one. >> helped cause the next one. it's a disturbing possibility that we need to confront pay there are tons of labs all over the round the world not just in china doing similar work on dangerous viruses and somebody needs to get a grip on this. i'm a great fan of biotech research and so is my coauthor. we are not against this type of work but we think it is odd to be doing on really dangerous viruses in a way that makes them even more dangerous. >> greg: have to say. the book is excellent. "viral." i was also after mecca meant "the evolution of everything" which is one of my favorite books that you wrote. i have marked that book up with so many notes. you are an amazing writer. >> thank you, because not many people have read that one. >> greg: i was one of them.

i think i read it twice. it's amazing. i recommend that. just two up then. thanks, matt. don't go away. we will be right back. with service i could trust. right, girl? >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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