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u.s. forces are gearing up. president biden says that some could be shipping out soon. where is it all heading? lieutenant general keith kellogg, house arm ad services republican mike turner, they are both coming up. but first, let's get to alexandria of at the -- hoff at the white house. >> reporter: good morning, jackie. defense secretary austin said he does not believe vladimir putin has made up his mind as of yet, but that the scenario he has created is straight out of the russian playbook playing victim and then attacking. by mobilizing over 100,000 troops around the border of ukraine, secretary austin and general mark milley said in a briefing that russia could accidentally or intentionally provoke conflict giving putin the ability to create pretext for further invasion. this week the united states called for a u.n. security council meeting that will be held on monday. senior administration managers officials hope to hear an explanation from russia but expect p the kremlin to blame

the tensions on nato, an alliance that the u.s. is committed to. >> conflict is not inevitable. there is still time and space for diplomacy. the united states, in lockstep with our allies and partners, has offered russia a path away from crisis and toward greater security. >> reporter: now p on to have of the -- top of the $200 million worth of defense machinery sent to ukraine last month, president biden said yesterday he will mobilize troops to surrounding nations. >> [inaudible] >> there's a potential that they could launch very, very little warning. that's possible. >> reporter: and so if that happens, the controversial nord stream 2 pipeline connecting russia and germany will be halted. according to a u.s. state department spokesperson, ned

price, told n np or r, and also sanctions on russia to insure that those sanctions would not have a global economic impact. jackie? jackie: alexandria, thank you so much for that. meantime, a top russian diplomat insisting that they do not want to start a war in ukraine, yet they continue to build up that troop presence along the border. general mark milley saying that the buildup is larger in scale and scope than anything since the cold war era. can we believe them? well, with me now, retired lieutenant general keith kellogg. wonderful to see you and good morning to you, sir. you know, actions often speak louder than words, and i think that's what the suggestion here is when you look at that troop buildup. what do you think that russia is planning right now? >> yes. thanks, jackie. thanks for having me. look, in a way, we're conflating two issues, and i think we kind of have to take a deep and see what's going on. putin's not arrayed against nato at all a. he's not threatening nato, but

he is threatening ukraine, and he's amassed a tremendous amount of forces. and they're all of the front-line units, the best units that he's got. those forces are actually facing the eastern part of ukraine, and that's what he's really looking at. what's interesting to me with putin, and, you know, you've got to give him some credit for it, he continues to talk. he's talking about going back into the, with the ukrainians, back with macron this coming week, talking about the u.n., he's going to keep talking. but there's an old strategy that was actually pushed by the chinese communists years ago. it's talk, talk, fight, fight, talk, tabling, fight, fight -- talk. he's going to string this out diplomatically, and then i think he's postured himself to go in. he'll go into the eastern part of ukraine. jackie: i mean, look, he is a seasoned leader, right? so he is going to continue the conversation at least on the face that it appears that he's talking, as you mentioned. but that troop buildup is

troubling. and it's interesting because alexandria talked about this, ned price was talking, the state department spokesperson was talking to npr, and he essentially said if russia invades ukraine, one way or another, nord stream 2 will not move forward. and so many people are saying it's too late. why did biden green light it in the first place? >> yeah. you know, what gets me, jackie, is we had that thing stopped in the trump administration. and then they've opened it up, and there's no way they cannot work -- let the nord stream 2 pipeline go. it really is going to hurt europe economically and also when it comes to energy. you know, well over all of europe, well over 30% comes from russia. and when it comes to germany, people forget that germany's an energy import if nation. 90% of their energy comes from external sources. now, a lot of that, at least one-third of that a comes from russia. they're not going to turn off the in order nord stream 2 pipeline are. they had a chance to do it last year, they didn't do it.

i think they're spinning their wheels. jackie: you're right. and i want to review some of that so the viewers really understand what's at stake here, right in 35% of europe's energy needs do come from russia, as you state. the nord stream 2 pipeline, we're talking about five years to build, $11 billion, it's 740 -- 760 miles long, and it's going to double russia's gas exports to germany. of course, germany is walking a tight rope here as well. >> yeah. and here's what's amazing, people forget that when nord stream 2 pipeline goes into operation, the country that really gets hurt is ukraine because there used to be a transit pipeline that went through ukraine. their not going to use that anymore. they're going to use the nord stream 2 pipeline. it's going to hurt ukraine economically and politically as well. but the real guy who's got the hand on the lever right now is putin, and he knows it. he's built up tremendous energy reserves and tremendous cash reserves. so all of our talk, i don't think it means anything to him. jackie: final question to you in

the last 30 seconds that we have, watching and keeping an eye closely on china as well, your thoughts on the china situation looking at taiwan, seeing what could happen over the course of the next month. might china be looking to take advantage of instability to make a move? >>, no i don't think so, jackie. they're not postured to do it. they may want to do anytime a year or two years, but right now before you go into someplace like taiwan, remember, the taiwan strait, it's 100 miles wide. that's almost like another normandy invasion. they are not postured to do that right now. they can cause a lot of mischief x they will, and a lot of pressure on taiwan, which they will, but they are not postured right now militarily to go against taiwan. you're looking a year down the road. but they're going to watch what the does with ukraine and how we react. and i think they look at president biden and thinking to themselves an old texas term, all hat, no cattle.

i don't think they believe he's got the wherewithal to push back at all. jackie: lieutenant general keith kellogg, thank you so much for your time. meantime, the biden administration still issuing warnings threatening sanctions against russia to shut down plans for that key pipeline to germany. my next guest says forget warnings, it's time to start acting. republican house armed services committee member mike turner. good to see you. >> morning. jackie: are these efforts by the united states just a little too late at this point? you know, president biden came in, he was tested by foreign leaders, and they essentially realized that potentially they've got a green light here when they're dealing with him. >> one of the -- looking at the situations, one of the fallacies we have to understand is anything putin says about ukraine being a threat to russia, of course, is false. ukraine, as you know, gave up nuclear weapons during the fall of the soviet unigone and gaver the -- union and gave territorial certainty to russia.

so there is no threat from ukraine to russia. this is all a trumped-up basis for russia to amass troops and threaten ukraine which they did again last year. what we -- i think the administration has noticed that russia had its designs on ukraine, that this could become a military conflict. they should have been giving lethal weapons to ukraine so they could defend themselves. just now they're talking about moving troops into the nato countries that are in the area. putin, one of his demands was that actually nato withdraw from the nato countries that had entered before 1997, excuse me if, after 1997 which means that, of course, the baltics, poland, bulgaria, romania all would be at risk. the administration now looking to put troops in those areas. hopefully we'll see there will be unintended consequences and will lessen the overall risk. jackie: we're having these kinds

of conversations, but do you think over the course of his conversations with vladimir putin that president biden could have used some diplomacy, could have reassured him that a, you know, his worst fears would not come true? some of the other nato allies could have done that as well to avoid the situation we're in altogether? >> well, i think this is -- you know, when putin has started with his statements that russia should regain it territory that it had in the post, you know, during the soviet union, it needs to work to reconnect that territory, it already has stated openly of its intention to threaten its neighbors. it's hard to give assurances to russia. remember, russia always wants assurances to make it easier for them to undertake aggression or threaten their neighbors which is why they want nato to withdraw to their 1997 boundaries so those countries are more vulnerable to russians, threats, aggressions and perhaps even invasion. jackie: some people have

questioned the advisers to the president, if you will, looking at what happened in afghanistan last year, looking at the situation here and the fact that there's very, a lack of, if you will, foreign policy strategy coming out of this administration. it seems like the crisis just approaches and then everything -- everybody becomes frantic trying to find a solution. >> absolutely. and they're too late to the game. i mean, literally, russia marched their troops last april around ukraine, and at that time the administration could have taken this signalthey needed to deferer the -- that they needed to deter russia and that it did not occur with very low cost otherwise russia can be emboldennenned. then we have a very serious situation on our hands in europe. and to threatening both our allies and nato. the administration if appears to be soft and week as it talks to those who tend to do their neighbors harm or who are aggressive. jackie: representative mike turner, great to see you this morning. thank you so much.

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jackie: welcome back. with a major winter storm bearing down, flight cancellations are piling up. this monster may be making a direct hit on the east coast, but the impacts, of course, are being felt nationwide. fox news meteorologist adam klotz is following it all and, adam, it looks pretty bad, but it also appears that we're just getting started here.

adam: yeah. this storm is nowhere close to being over, jackie. we're really kind of in the middle of what we're expecting, especially here in the middle of long island. now, i am just about 60 miles from manhattan off towards the east. you're looking at a winter storm warning. but as you get right along the coast, that's the coast here in new york but really from maryland stretching all the way up to maine, you see blizzard warnings. you get a blizzard when the winds are stronger. this snow is not like that heavy snow that you see and you make snowballs with. this is a lighter snow. so because of this, it blows around really easily, and it really lowers visibility. we've seen visibility drop incredibly low off and on through the morning. not too bad right now as the winds have calmed down. but these warnings are going to last all the way until 7 p.m. we're really just at the start of this. the snow's maybe going to get another 8 inches. we know stretching to the north boston could see winds of 60 miles an hour, snowfall totals

getting up well over 2 feet of total snowfall. so this is a very large and widespread storm, and we do still have quite a bit of time, jackie, here until we really see this thing begin to wrap up. of course, we will be following it throughout the rest of the day. jackie: adam klotz, make sure you stay warm, sir. we will be checking in. thank you. all right. president biden heading to new york city next week in a hush tn guns. but as police officers across the country are becoming victims of shootings and crime continues to surge, should there also be a push to get tougher on criminals? veterans. at newday, you can buy a home with no down payment. and they're holding the line on purchase loans with rates in the twos. already own a home and need cash? with the newday100 loan, you can get up to $60,000 or more and lower your payments $615 a month. no bank, no lender, no one knows veterans like newdayusa.

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jackie: as crime continues to surge, law enforcement coming under siege. six officers have been shot in the past three days alone, and all of this comes on the heels

of that ambush shooting of two new york city police officers by a career criminal. the wife of one of those heroes targeting soft on crime policies. >> we're tired of these laws, especially the ones from the new da. i hope he's watching you speak through me right now. jackie: a sea of blue filling the streets of new york yesterday to honor rivera. they will do the same for officer mora a in a few days. my next guest is retired from the nypd and attended officer jason rivera's funeral yesterday. mario miranda joins me now. as i walked to work yesterday on sixth avenue, i could see all the men in uniform heading towards st. patrick's cathedral. you saw the pictures. your thoughts on the experience, the takeaway yesterday, the sentiment that you were feeling. >> well, the experience, i've been through this countless

times, too many to count. i've been in orlando, florida, also for two officers down there a couple years back, tampa, florida, for the first female officer. it's just, it continues to be senseless, it's tragic. very sad. very sad. jackie: it is very sad, and there are so many here in new york that have been outraged over essentially what we have seen on the streets of this city and how crime has really spiraled out of control over the course of the last two years. very frustrating, especially as the pandemic hit this city so hard, and all we wanted to see, people who live here, is a revival. eric adams a, there were high hopes for this mayor to help work on it, but he can't do it alone. you worry about some of the players involved like the district attorney, alvin bragg, and some of those that adams is going to have to deal with.

>> yeah. we can't continue -- jackie: mario? >> okay. yes, we can't continue basically letting, letting criminals go. they're criminals for a reason. they need to stay inside. we keep on seeing the same thing over and over again. they let them go, and they're back again to cause more destruction and more death. so, yes, they need to, they need to stay inside. jackie: mario, i just want to let the viewers know here that fox did reach out to da bragg for a response to the comments coming from the widow, and i want to read the statement here, if we can put that up for me. i am grieving and praying for detective rivera and officer mora today and every day. my thoughts are with the families and the nypd.

violence against police officers will never be tolerated. my office will vigorously prosecute cases of violence against police and work to prevent senseless acts like this from ever happening again. the statement really runs in conflict with some of what the da is suggesting to do here. he essentially wants to take all different types of felonies and make them misdemeanors. that's the type of thing that puts people back on the street when you don't prosecute crimes. your thoughts. >> yes, again, it's unbelievable. i mean, that's not the way he came into office. the first thing he started saying was, you know, he's going to be, to take felonies and make them misdemeanors. felonies are not misdemeanors, that's why there's a difference. [laughter] jackie: right. and some people -- well, many people believe there's a slippery slope, right? for example, that you should prosecute drug dealing because if somebody is put back on the street and that's considered a misdemeanor, it could lead to

worse offenses, and that's what we're seeing on the streets of new york right now. >> of course. that's what we've been always talking about, you know? that's the same thing as the broken windows theory. jackie: yeah. just want to talk a little bit more about what the widow said yesterday, you know, sort of calling out against crime and saying that her husband's death wouldn't be in vain. i mean, there's so many people who want to see new york city cleaned up. they want to see things get better here. but it's difficult to elicit change. her words were very powerful, but how do you think we actually are going to be able to get it done? >> well, to get it done we need the public. and, you know, the public in the neighborhood, i was in a precinct a few days ago, and the public is -- i really believe they're with us. the hard working people that are in new york city, they're with us, and we need to keep this going the way it is. i haven't seen this since 9/11,

you know? we were the heroes at the time. we couldn't do anything wrong. i think that there might be a change right now. i think the neighborhood is ready to help us, and i hope that going forward, you know, we could all help each other and we could continue to help each other. i mean, the babies that are getting killed now, what's the day now? it's tragic on both ends. not just police officers. people are getting killed, young people, younger and younger right now. jackie: a lot of senseless acts happening. >> it's not just police. jackie: and it's not just here in new york city. it's across the country too. we're going to have to stay on top of it. we try to inform our viewers so they can take action, they can use their voice as well. mario miranda, really appreciate your time and thank you for your service as well, sir. >> thank you. thank you. jackie: we'll have more after this.

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♪ jackie: welcome back, everybody. more troubling news for shoppers. we just learned that consumer confidence tumbled to a 10-year low this month as inflation hit a 39-year high last year. and if that's not bad enough if, there's some new signs that we're paying a lot more for a lot less. fox business' madison alworth looking into the problem. it's a growing problem called shrink-flation. >> reporter: if you've been feeling like you're getting less product in your packaging, not only are you not alone, you're also not wrong. shrink-flation is when producers put less product in their boxes or containers for the same price to avoid scaring away customers. consumers have noticed less product in their personal yogurt cups, and as you can see on screen, the ounces per container seem to be down.

my producer, who is a big fan, noticed it herself when she opened up the container, seeing a little less product than she's used to, and just like inflation, it has been going on for some time now. inflation is increasing, and shrinkflation increasing while also decreasing. for example, general mills, they decreased the amount of cereal in their family size by about an ounce. and while that might not sound like a lot, it really adds up. >> you say, well, what's an ounce. well, one ounce is one bowl of cereal. think of how many millions and tens of millions of boxes general mills sells of cereals every year, so that one little ounce less that you get is really big bucks for the manufacturer. i don't consider any if particular downsizing worse than another. all of them are sneaky ways to pass on a price increase. >> reporter: and it's not just happening at grocery stores, it's happening at restaurants

too. domino's recent arely decreased the amount of wigs in their $7.99 special -- wings, from 10 down to 8. and when you're sharing wings with family or friends, those two wings can really make a difference, so americans are feeling it just about everywhere. back to you. jackie: madison, thank you for that. meantime, inflation is on the minds of voters as lawmakers head back to washington next week where democrats are planning to push for more spending. they might want to see first, because a new gallup poll reveals that americans across the board say that the price spikes will get worse. and a separate poll shows that more than 4 in 10 people say big d.c. spending stokes inflation. are they right? here to discuss,s market watchers dan get trued and michael lee -- get tiewld along with democratic strategist kristin hawn. dan, do folks in those polls have it right? i'll add another recent poll indicating almost half of

americans are saying inflation is hurting them. >> of course they have it right because they're feeling it in realtime, in real life. it doesn't take a lot of analysis to know that your dollars -- simply don't go as far as they used to no matter what you're buying. and what's really insidious about inflation, it impacts everyone the same. what do i mean by that? it's a tax, it's a flat tax meaning a gallon of gas, a gallon of milk costs everyone the same. so those people that president biden wants to protect the most are getting hit the hardest because they can least afford these additional taxes through inflation. jackie: michael, let me ask you about, you know, sort of the strategy in combating this, right? the fed for a while called inflation transitory then took that a back, and now it's saying we definitely have an issue here. we've got to start raising rates, we've got to start

working on trying to curb this inflation, so it's trying to come up with a strategy to do that. but in an lists are saying, look, the inflation is going to be here at least for the rest of the year, if not into 2023. >> yeah. look, i think the fed along with a lot of other market watchers underestimated the effect of the fiscal stimulus and the helicopterrer money given out by the federal government. there were some large voices a year ago opposing the last stimulus, the $1.9 trillion. that really stimulated demand too much, it kept people out of the work force for too long. and as a result, you have a ton of excess demand. and this administration has done absolutely nothing to solve the supply chain crisis. i mean, the fed and a lot of other people who are calling inflation transitory expect this mess to be cleaned up right now. that was before the secretary of transportation took a few months

off for paternity leave in the worst crisis in the history of our country. so some of this has to do with the effect of the economy coming back online. that's really kind of no one's fault. definitely money printing and just sheering confidence from this administration in addressing the supply chain crisis, the war on fossil fuels. gasoline is up 50%, and then you have vax mandates to go on so much that to what was a trucker shortage pre-covid has now exacerbated exponentially. things are going from bad to worse. i do think you'll see some demand disruption and a little bit of money come out of the system, but these price levels aren't going to go back down anytime soon. jackie: there are multiple contributing factors, if you will. and, of course, there are some democrats that are speaking out about as well. senator joe manchin sounding the alarm, now here's michigan democratic congresswoman elissa slotkin. >>'s the war room on the cost of

living, right? where's the task force on inflation? where's the energy around that because that's what everyone is talking about when i sit down with them. jackie: kristin, are you worried that democrats are in some trouble on this issue? >> well, and i watched that whole interview, and i think tata she is just a really just valuable member of the democrat caucus and agree with everything that she said. any -- inflation hurts people. the very first question you asked the first panelist, yes, everybody's feeling it. and it's always politicized in the person and the people and the party in power are the people that are blamed for it. now, there are things that you can do. i think that i totally agree it is a global supply problem, not a domestic problem. you can go into all those different things but, yes, i think that we as americans first, democrats, need to take a look, think about what we can do. i think a lot of these bills, the bipartisan infrastructure

bill -- i'm talking about bbb -- they're getting at the longer-term issues. it's not short-term injections of money into the economy. it is the long-term investments in beating inflation through sustainable economic growth. so it's hard to, you know, explain that sometimes to voters and to, you know, in a 15-second ad. but, you know, i think that, yes, of course we have problems, of course we need to communicate better, and it's something that, you know, that we immediate to do. jackie: i think you're right on the infrastructure side, there are definitely long-term projects in there, spending, that will help create some jobs and help make our country better, right? but we look back to when president biden came into office and he had the american rescue plan, $1.9 trillion of spending. it was when we had vaccines, when we knew the economy would be reopening. dan, many people are saying it is that kind of spending and some chunks of this build back better that now he's saying he

wants to pass through in chunks that are the kind of spending that we don't need right now. >> this is a work-around because, obviously, people realize that this package is a lot of unnecessary spending. and no one wants that. you can't get bipartisan support, and you can't even get support from within your own party. if so you know it's in trouble. and, look, here's what -- here's the issue i have with what the administration is doing. inflation has become a policy problem. so you have to address it by changing your policies. what the administration is doing right now, they are punting to the federal reserve, and they're basically forcing them to raise interest rates. jackie: right. >> raising interest rates is not the only solution because you run the risk of throwing us into a recession because interest rates will continue to have -- to go up until the recession --

the inflation starts to retract. jackie: well, it won't work. >> that's dangerous territory. jackie: it won't work if only the fed is acting alone. there are contributing factors across the board, so everyone needs to come together to fight the inflation problem. guys, it was great speaking to you all this morning. we will have you back on again soon. dan, michael, kristin, thank you. all right. with inflation raging and midterms looming, the president's critics say that it's no wonder that a supreme court justice is retiring. ♪ ♪ ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. your plain aspirin could be hurting your stomach.

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the new names being pitched for his pick, who's likely to win it and could they change the court dynamic? former attorney general tom dupree joins me now. great to see you, tom. i mean, the thought here is that the president is looking at candidates who were younger and much more progressive than somebody like justice breyer who we know was appointed by bill clinton who at this point, it seems, seems like a real moderate when you compare joe biden's policies, for example. so you look at some of these candidates, and this could have a big impact on the court. your thoughts. >> well, i think it will have an a impact in that anytime you change the composition of the supreme court, you're making a change. there'll be only nine justices and when you change one, that can be significant. but at the same time, let's keep in mind this isn't going to have a dramatic effect on the ideological composition of the court because you're going to be replacing a reline by liberal justice, with another reliably

liberal justice to be determined. so i don't think the overall balance of power on the supreme court is going to shift, but it's always exciting anytime you have a new appointment. jack: -- jackie: of course. it's the conversations that go on behind the scenes and the new approach to looking at things as well. you're right with respect to the balance as it stands right now. some of the names that have been floated here, judge ketanji brown jackson, lee beyond da krueger and judge michelle childs, u.s. district court of south carolina. your thoughts on some of these women. >> sure. i think judge jackson of the federal appeals court in d.c. is probably front-runner. she's got a known track record, she's been confirmed by the senate previously, and if i had to bet right now, i'd say she's the odds-on favor. i think justice kruger is in second place. she's been a justice in the

california supreme court for a number of years. judge childs, the third one you mentioned, her name has come up kind of recently. i'd probably put her in third place. she has some congressional support but, of course, you never know, all the lobbying and horse trading that's going on the to be going on behind the scenes as people are going to be twisting arms and calling in favors trying to get tear preferred candidate selected -- their preferred candidate selected. jackie: no, absolutely. we should know within about a month's time. but let me ask you this, i mean, all of the candidates we just went through obviously very qualified. the president said he made a promise that he was going to nominate a black woman. he is seeing that promise through, he confirmed it the other day. but some of the critics out there are saying that he's limiting his options by using race and gender specifically to determine who gets this position. >> [audio difficulty] are qualified, there's no question about that. at the same time, what the president has done is unusual,

announcing in advance his intent to choose a black woman. i think the closest historic comparison would be when president reagan said he wanted to put a woman on the supreme court, and he appointed justice o'connor. i think you're right, he's narrowed the slate of potential candidates very significantly, but he did so during the heat of the am pain. he was under -- campaign. he was under a lot of political pressure, he made that promise, and from what we've heard, he intends to follow through on it. jackie: there was some conversation about justice breyer and how his retirement was announced, maybe that the white house pulled the trigger, you know, in some way, that it was before he was ready. ultimately, obviously, the timing of these announcements are very, very important not just to the individual involved, but also for the future of the court. and so, you know, you have president biden is essentially wanting to make this pick and get it through before the midterms. can and that's really crucial here. >> it's absolutely crucial because, look, the midterms, everything could change. if the republicans come in and

take over the senate, well, then there's not necessarily a clear path to confirmation. i think the white house knew that they needed to move in this thing forward, that's why this announcement's made in january rather than the time it normally would be made, in june, at the end of the term. look, democrats need to move this thing through fast. right now they do have a controlling majority in the senate, they can get this nominee through, but there's virtually no margin for error on the white house's part. jackie: tom dupree, great to see you this morning. thank you so much. >> thank you, jackie. jackie: we're going to have a pollster in our second hour saying not so fast to any hopes that democrats will get a step up from breyer stepping down. we'll talk about that. but first, a convoy of canadian truckers protesting vaccine mandates there as a new omicron subvariant is appearing in some states here. that's next. va plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements,

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signature much like the delta variant. but we don't know whether it's clinically worse or whether it's more infectious. there are 28 mutations in the spike protein, and that's why we call it the ba.2 variant. jackie: as we see these variants continue -- omicron, delta, whatever's coming next -- do you see a pattern, do you see a trend that they are weakening somewhat? if. >> they are weakening. but, you know, we have said from the beginning that viruses mutate upwards and they mutate downwards. this case with the omicron, as far as clinical goes, they have mutated downwards, and my hope is that it will eventually peter out and the mutation will be such that the virus cannot be sustained going forward. so, like, mid summer we may see it completely peter out. it'll always be present, but it may not be as forceful and as infectious as it is right now. jackie: well, that would be welcome news to a lot of people, to everybody across the country that has struggled over the course of the last few years

saying, oh, my gosh, i can't believe we're going into year three of this this. there also are a group of people who have gotten their vaccines and their booster, and they're saying, no more shots. i'm done with the shots. it's too much. your thoughts on how people should be thinking about their shots moving forward, how we learn to live with it in a way that we can all, you know, be a little bit more comfortable. >> well, jackie, we have to think of of this as protection. the shot is really protective. people have reactions to everything and, of course, many of my patients have had reactions, some worse, some not so worse from the injections. but most people, the large majority, have no side effects from the injection. and the future vaccines will be more tailored, for example, to omicron. and god forbid, other, more virulent variants of this omicron virus. so i don't think people should -- i understand how they're tired, but i don't think they should be afraid if to get a second booster if there is one

required. jackie: okay. so what i'm hearing from you is really it sounds to me a lot like the flu shot as we continue to move forward. you get one every year, it's not really that big of a deal. is that sort of what you're saying? >> that's what i'm saying, jackie. i think this virus is going to be with us forever like the influenza virus, but it is going to be endemic and not pandemic. endemic means every year we'll have to get a booster and, hopefully, we'll combine it with the flu shot so you'll get one of -- both of them in one injection, and that would be good news for just about everybody. jackie: doctor, i don't mean to put you on the spot here or ask a political question, but it's difficult not to bring up this topic. you have many people who have decided they don't want to get a vaccine. we also have labor shortages for many different reasons, so now the vaccine mandates are causing problems when we're trying to get people back to work, specifically within the trucking industry, right? you think about truckers moving goods back and forth, is so important for the economy but

also they're in their cabs, and they're alone. the risk of spread is very minimal. how should we be looking at some of these issues as a nation as we try to move forward from this and put the past behind us? >> well, as a nation we have to look at our economy. i was always against mask mandates. i have been -- i've said that but for certain groups it should be mandated such as health care workers, ems, fire and police. but i think if that if you can work from home -- which truckers obviously can't -- if you can work from home for your company, i don't think you have to worry about a mandate. but for truckers, i agree with you. they're isolated, they're in their cabs. of course, there are vectors of expression and infect if other people, but we just have to take the honor system, but we need the truckers to work. jackie: we do. dr. lahita, thank you so much for your insight. always great to see you, sir. >> thank you, jackie. good to see you. jackie: a monster snowstorm burying cars and homes. we're going to show you one of the places getting hit the hardest.

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>> conflict is not inevitable. there is still time and space for diplomacy. there are many people in highly dense population centers throughout ukraine and if war were to break out on a scale and scope that is possible, the civilian population will suffer immensely. jackie: russia could attack ukraine with little warning. those chilling words from the joint chiefs of staff mark milley. we're tracking the winter storm, thousands of flights are canceled. first, let's get to greg palkot

for ukraine with the latest about worries about a war over there. greg. >> hi, jackie, yeah, folks here are watching closely that continuing buildup of russian troops on the other side of their borders. the latest figure from the government is 130,000 soldiers are amassed and the latest report confirmed by fox is they have with them supplies of blood for the wounded, making the claim by russia these are all just exercises, possibly doubtful. and rate now russia has the capacity to attack with little warning and potentially with horrific results. so it's all kind of up to russian president vladimir putin. he says that the u.s. has not met his demands about n.a.t.o. and europe. and while moscow has no intention of invading, he says there's no room for compromise. we were at a foreign media press conference with ukrainian president zelensky, he's trying to tamp this thing down, worry

that war fears could impact the economy and his people. and knocking u.s. and other countries for evacuation of diplomates and families from the city. and finally, what the ukrainian president and many in his government are saying is it that russia should face new sanctions now, not later and the ukrainian military needs better gear to defend itself now. and they ran some drills and the u.s. sent a four supply of so-called lethal aid. finally, jackie, what about the people here in kiev and ukraine and we spent time today, and we were watching them get ready for possible combat in the event of an invasion. but on our way back into the cities, we were stuck in a major traffic jam. a lot of people out doing saturday shopping and et cetera.

different strokes for different folks. back to you. jackie: greg palkot reporting from ukraine. thanks for that. the big question, will russia attack with little warning? if they do what should the united states do? what should our response be? the national security advisor from dick cheney, john, good morning and good to see you. lots of questions right now as greg outlined, all the leaders are posturing a little bit and making it seem like it's not an imminent threat. and how vladimir putin is positioning himself and his troops, he's increasing the numbers and the actions and words, they don't match up. >> yeah, no, i think that's right, jackie. this is a real gambit by putin. i think that clearly afghanistan was the crucial factor in his calculations to go now, to see whether he could force the west to abandon ukraine, to force n.a.t.o. to fracture. he's not having a lot of success in that. so he's continuing to up the

escalation pressure, but let's remember a couple of dates out there. one is february 4th, which is the start of the beijing olympics. one is february 20th, when the beijing olympics conclude. i think putin doesn't want to anger the chinese. they're his new found friend and if he does invade and the sanctions boom gets lowered by the west. jackie: right. >> he's going to need all the chinese help he can get to keep his economy going. jackie: that's a really interesting point and we have been looking at that timeline. it's all speculation now, nobody really knows what vladimir putin is thinking, but if that were true and gives us roughly another month at least, or this administration another month at least, if you will, many people are saying that they have to be very strategic to talk about sanctions, economic sanctions, whether it be on oil and gas exports, whether it be on the banking system. the wall street journal is reporting that those things are on the table, but obviously we're not moving forward with

them right now. so what would have to happen for the u.s. to say, we are going to move forward with sanctions? >> yeah, i think the west has really got to really make good use of the next three to four weeks, which means, obviously, keep flowing defensive weapons into ukraine, anti-tank, anti-ship, anti-air capabilities. to continue to flow western reinforcements to n.a.t.o. countries in eastern europe. one of putin's goals he said was to make sure there's a reduction of n.a.t.o.'s presence in eastern europe. what he's doing, we need to demonstrate if he's going into ukraine he's going to trigger the exact opposite backlash. third, sanctions, i think we ought to give him a taste of the sanctions now to show that the west is coherent enough and coordinated and we can begin imposing some sanctions now as punishment for creating this

crisis in the first place. jackie: right. >> while withholding the major crippling sanctions that would come in the event that he crosses ukraine's border. at the same time i think we've got to continue the diplomacy and give him some way out of this where he incredibly claims he's gained something out of this, creating this massive international crisis. jackie: right, i mean, you have to allow him an avenue to save some face, i think that's really important when you're dealing with the foreign leaders. we know especially with china and russia that's important. i don't think you're the only person saying some of of the sanctions, a little taste needs to be doled out right now to let everybody know we mean business, but of course, we're monitoring what's happening on the ground in ukraine and greg has been reporting throughout the week saying that it's trying to prepare itself in the best way that it can for its response. if there were -- if russia were to make its move.

preparing bomb shelters and telling civilians they can go into the subway to seek shelter if they need it. you're talking about providing arms and providing weaponry to help, but obviously, if this happens, it's not going to be pretty. >> oh, no. i think general milley was right, war is hell and a russian war on ukraine is going to be devastating, if he decides to do it. whether he's bluffing or not, we are going to find out. his history is a thug, intimidator, as a despot who wants to get what his objectives, but through threats and intimidation and taking on weaker countries, and weaker opponents. i think the west has got to demonstrate that the price, in fact, if he does decide to go, he may succeed in taking over ukraine, but it's going to be a very, very difficult meal for

him to digest in terms of ukrainian resistance, western sanctions and increased threat on n.a.t.o.'s eastern flank against russia, exactly what he says his threats were intended not to accomplish. jackie: john hannah, thanks for coming on today your insights are invaluable. >> thanks, jackie. jackie: i want to switch back to the supreme court justice stephen breyer, his replacement setting to become a big midterm election issue. will president biden and the democrats suffer in the polls from the economy, the border as well. let's ask g.o.p. pollster lee carter. always great to see you, good morning to you. >> good morning. jackie: let me ask you this, some people will just vote for a president based on what they think he will do with respect to the supreme court. it's very important to many people across the country, and president biden is getting an

opportunity to make his nomination here and it will have some impact. do you think it will resonate long enough into the midterms and i mentioned the other long list of troubles he has right now. does it counter act and balance some of those out? >> i don't think so it does. i think it all might back fire against the democrats. what this will do is energize their base very much. they have framed the supreme court for at all a generation around abortion and a woman's right to choose. but recently, the supreme court ensured that they impact our daily lives in ways that are much more than just abortion. what they've just done with regards to the mask and the vaccination mandates. the republicans can claim, this is freedom, this is about government intervention in our lives and that could energize more republicans and more people to swing the other way. people are wanting their lives back. they want less and less government intervention and

they want to go on with their freedom. and so, i really think that the supreme court could be reframed in favor of the republicans as they go into midterms if they do this right. >> that's an interesting point of view and you're right people want their freedoms back and move forward and they don't just don't that the administration is moving fast enough and almost like they're prolonging the pandemic possibly to suit layer political needs. president biden does have a long list of troubles and we've been discussing them all morning and economy and inflation at a 30-year high and people's savings rates are starting to dip. and we knew there would be that, there was pent up demand and eventually people would have to pull back. we're talking about shrink-flation and having an inch of cereal left in the box is impacting people. when it comes to the power of the pocket book when people are at the polls, it's pretty

possible. >> five out of six people say they feel worse than when the president took office. that's not good for the president and his message is the economy is booming, this is temporary and there's nothing to see here and that's contradicting the truth of most americans sitting around the table saying, listen, i feel worse about the economy. i don't trust the stock market right now, i think we're in for big trouble, in for a correction and people don't feel secure in our place in the world. all across the board. the president continues to say look, i inherited the worst economy ever when he tweeted yesterday it's better than it's ever been before, that's not the truth of the american people. when you contradict what people see around him, that's a problem for him and the democrats. jackie: whatever you want to say about president trump and his tweets and how he acted in the oval office, people did say that they felt better about their lives in the polls and

better about the future of the country and they're not saying that now. it will be something to watch. lee carter, always great to see you, thank you. >> nice to see you, foo. jackie: illegal migrants storming across the border and transported across the country on the country's dime. president biden is silent about this. former acting dhs secretary chad wolf is not, he's here. first this morning, a bomb cyclone blanketing the east coast with heavy, heavy snow. . at newday, you can buy a home with no down payment. and they're holding the line on purchase loans with rates in the twos. already own a home and need cash? with the newday100 loan, you can get up to $60,000 or more and lower your payments $615 a month. no bank, no lender, no one knows veterans like newdayusa.

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>> things are getting tense and tempers are flaring as the migrant crisis intensifies here in the u.s. new video capturing border patrol agent over president biden's immigration policies. bill melugin is in texas. >> that video happened yesterday. this is when dhs secretary

alejandro mayorkas visited. in laredo, they got into it with the border chief. they were not happy with went on and they leaked this video. >> and what's going on? >> i can't hear you. >> for evil to triumph for good men to do nothing. you're allowing-- >> you're doing something. >> no, sir, we're not. >> meanwhile, earlier this morning, take a look at video we shot in the early morning hours, groups of family units arriving where we are here in la jolla-- la joya, texas, it hits cold in the middle of the night and still they make the journey

across the rio grande and across in in the chilly temperatures and james lankford was getting a tour of the area by the border patrol union so he could get a firstland look at what's going on here. he says that border patrol agents aren't allowed. >> whether it's single adults coming in, family units coming in and checking in and border patrol agents to enforce, are being like check-in staff and instructed by the administration, here is how to process people and release them rather than trying to carry out the law. >> and throughout this border crisis we've been reporting that the migrants have been showing up. literally around the world. more than 120 countries and learned from dhs force here in the rio grande valley on thursday five men from syria were arrested by border patrol agents after they crossed

illegally into hidalgo, texas. >> bill, thank you for that. the biden administration is under fire after the fox exclusive video showing migrants being released into the united states in the middle of the night. meanwhile, earlier this week, white house press secretary jen psaki had this to say about ice moving migrant all over the country, listen. >> we continue to be under title 42, migrants would not be expelled under title 42 or placed into immigration proceedings. one of those could be placement in an alternative detention problem in the interior of the united states and sometimes it means moving to migrants to the other parts of the united states to different detention facilities. jackie: this leaves questions, who is behind this and what happens to them. and the white house says they're tracking them with ankle bracelets, but we're not entirely sure.

let's go to chad wolf, so many issues plaguing us at the border right now and seems like this is a sort of the bottom of the list issues because we have so many other troubles in the united states that we're trying to deal with. that tape that bill played was powerful, agents pushing back against the chief, we have to do something here. but the underlying message of doing nothing at the border. >> the video was remarkable, i've never, at my time in dhs, during the trum administration where the border patrol agents are pushing back on their leadership. what is most striking of the video you can see in the background dhs secretary is standing right there. he does not step up. he does not address any of the concerns from the border patrol agents. there's no vision. there's no leadership. he just stands to the side because he knows he cannot talk to these agents and defend what is going down on the border because of the policies of this administration.

so, look, the agents there are at their wit's end. they don't know what to do and you're seeing a lot of tape and video being leaked because i think they want the american people to hear what they're hearing from their leadership, which is sorry, you can't do your job and you're going to have to continue to manage a crisis that's now going for 12 months. jackie: right. also interesting is the white house's approach and jen psaki's approach on the report we've been hearing for the last year that these migrants are moved around. first they said it's patently false, it's not happening, there are no planes or buses taking migrants around the country. and now they're saying this may be happening because there's video of it. the latest we saw of migrants coming into new york and we're talking about the tax and the strain on the systems migrants, they're not tracking them, not showing up for court dates, this is the way to take more than two million people that

have come into this country and disperse them across the different states. >> well, that's right. what the white house press secretary is-- she has no idea what she's talking about, frankly, she's reading from a piece of paper. we're having to bus and fly the migrants to the other parts of the country because the border area is so overwhelmed by the number of migrants coming across every single day they believe they have no other choice, but to fly folks and move them around to other locations and that's not the case. there's another option, and another strategy to get the border under control. we did it during the trump administration, it worked and they refuse to could it and they've done with this narrative they have to do it in the dead of night in the middle of the night and it's simply not the case. there's another way to secure that border. jackie: at the end of bill's report he mentioned five men coming over the border from syria. the messaging has gone far past the countries along the border,

it's basically become a global message. if you want to come into the united states, and you want to do it illegally, just go there and come across the border because we told people don't come, but they're not listening, we said we're going to institute remain in mexico, but not really pushing back on that. the border is open. that's the subtle message being given. >> well, absolutely. that's the message being given and we hear a lot from the vice-president and others about the root causes of migration. if you look at the december numbers of illegal ap presentations only 30% of those they're picking up come from central america. it's great the vice-president is talking root causes of migration, only capturing 30% of the population coming across that border. another 30% are from countries outside of mexico and central america, it's a much bigger problem here that again, the biden administration refuses to acknowledge, refuses to make hard decisions. look, securing that border and doing what you have to do to protect americans is not easy.

you have to make hard decisions and they refuse to make them and you see this video every day and see americans across the country shaking their heads saying what is going on? why can't we get this under control? >> chad wolf, always great to see you and get your perspective. something we'll continue to monitor as we move forward. thank you so much. all right. >> thank you. jackie: the one thing that five families told us they want the most ahead of the midterms, here is a hint. it's actually pretty simple request. and also, the widow of n.y.p.d. officer jason rivera criticizing thoughts on policies. will the policies hurt democrats in the midterms? that's next. ♪ get a head start in investing with the new schwab starter kit™. new investors can open an account and get $50 to split across the top five stocks in the s&p 500®. you can also unlock short videos, step-by-step guides, and other easy-to-use tools designed for people just getting started.

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inflation and covid. and visiting with five families to see what they want the most and the best word to describe it is normalcy. she joins us now, hi. gillian, what did you learn? >> they want normalcy and making daily life a scope that families across the country had to learn on the fly. nicole and her husband outside of san antonio and the major things compounding pandemic stress is inflation. and that's a pinch felt nationwide. >> the fee for camp is about $75 more per week. >> i've never been a person who has closely followed my grocery budget, but i've noticed the prices of some things are just so insane. >> gas prices are about as predictable as covid. we don't know from day-to-day,

is it going to be 30 cents higher? 30 cents cheaper? >> and heather her denver job is at home, her child forced into remote learning and focused on her top priority. >> and she dependent get to have the first day of kindergarten and instead looking at a screen. >> now, in chicago, the lucille family's fear of contracting the virus is still very real. >> it's constantly in our conversations. it's what we base our activities on. everything in our lives is based on covid. >> well, i got the sniffles, i've got a headache, is this covid. air on high alert all the time. >> two of the three members of the howard family in virginia have had covid and they say they're now more resilient for it. >> we're a healthy young family

and we're taking the necessary precautions, but, i don't want to stop living our lives in fear of covid either. >> after spending time with these families this week i've been awed by their adaptability during the pandemic. moms have been learning to do their jobs from the kitchen table. dads in the case of the howard family changed his job twice in order to better support them and everybody is learning to live in a whole new way. jackie: we're resilient, but we have to do better to try to get to the normal point. gillian turner, great to see you, we will a see you at the top of the hour. >> you bet. jackie: the other thing that people hope to get back to normal is the surge in crimes. the widow of slain officer rivera called out bragg for the policies. could the policies hurt democrats in the midterms? white house examiner correspondent sarah westwood

joins me on the phone. it's great to talk to you. it seems like some of these will have an impact on the midterms. when it comes to alvin bragg, he told new york what he was going to do and voted into office. i wonder how that happens sometimes. >> right, and it was sort of a conflicting message from voters in new york city because they already put a mayor in office, someone who won in a crowded democratic primary field with a tough on crime mental. crime message. it could be a problem for democrat because you could draw a straight line from the progressive implemented in the city to the rise in violence. it's almost a direct, you know, correlation, and so voters see that and they understand that liberal policies on public safety have contributed tremendously to the rise in crime and democrats don't seem

to have an answer other than to turn the tables back to a focus on gun safety. but that doesn't, you know, address the fact that people also don't feel safe walking the streets in their own cities. jackie: i can say i don't feel safe walking around new york city, it's been a tough two years here. a lot of people say they don't want to go into the subways, it's scary and uncomfortable, and eric adams says it's a perception of fear and then walked that back because realized that does not resonating with people who live in new york city, but it's going to be a tough balance, right to get somebody like adams who does want to clean things up to be able to work and come up with, you know, a system that will work when he's dealing with people like alvin bragg. >> that's right, i mean, there's only so much that, as the mayor, he could do, but i think just sort of psychologically, culturally for eric adams to sow support for

the police in the way that bill deblasio did not and other liberal leaders of the city did not, i think could have a big impact and a big part of eric adams' plan for crime to put more officers on the street that were disbanded in the name of defund the police and racial equality when those conversations with happening in 2020, but now there's clearly a real need for that kind of actual boots on the ground presence and eric adams is empowering police to get back to doing what they do best. jackie: the democrats seem to be bracing for what is being predicted as a red wave in the midterms. you know, the first sort of example that we saw of people exercising their vote for change was in virginia. but the same way bragg was voted in are there sort of voters out there who are looking at this in a different way? i mean, you need the majority to be able to turn the tide, right? >> right. and certainly there are still

people on, for example, the issue of covid that are still cautious and nervous about life returning completely to normal, but i do think that the tide is turning. i think that the conversations, for example, on masking in schools, has been shifting dramatically the past several weeks and experts who were urging caution at the beginning of the pandemic are suggesting it's time to move away from that, but there are always going to be people who aren't ready in virginia. governor glen youngkin has some blew communities hard to accept returning to the new normal and there's going to be that balance. jackie: i want to change gears some families trying to get back to normal life. earlier this week i had the opportunity to be able to speak with the newly elected virginia attorney general about mask mandates in his state. take a listen to this. >> what we've really campaigned

on and delivering on our promises are that parents matter and this executive order, all it says, listen, if you're a parent and you'd like to have your child masked for six, seven, eight hours a day, that's your right as a parent. they absolutely can be masked, but if you're also a parent you have a child that has asthma or one parent shares with me my daughter went from all a student to mostly c student because she wears glasses and the glasses are constantly fogged up. you know what's best for your child and that's also in the code of virginia. jackie: quick reaction to that? >> i think the idea of empowering parents to make ideas for their kids after that was take en away is going to be empowering in the midterms. jackie: thank you for joining us today, sara westwood. speaking of starting to get back to normal, the c.d.c. is doing something that has travelers and cruise lines ready to hit the high seas. the ceo of viking cruises is

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at the end of the tunnel. many complained about the c.d.c. and the rules and all this. and what a strict regime viking has been carrying out. we have several ocean ships operating without interruption since july last year and we have not had any outbreak at all. and i don't think any other cruise line can say that. and the reason for this is really the testing program that is out there. because we require that all people on board our ships, get and -- and passengers, be tested every day through a pcr test. we have those on board and we can do it right there on the spot. so, if everybody followed the same policy there wouldn't have been an issue about outbreaks on cruise ships. we haven't had any and we continue to operate our ships, all seven of them. it's now seven, without any

outbreak whatsoever. and that-- >> testing has been so important. i'm sorry to interrupt you. you know, in so many aspects of operating business. are you testing people regardless of the vaccination status? as we know while vaccines might prevent severe illness, they don't stop the spread right now. >> it's about two years ago, and this started and we have studied very carefully, and done scientific studies on it and we're not surprised that it goes through vaccinated people, but we do require that every guest on our ships are vaccinated and all of our crew are vaccinated. and of course, we also do testing because it can run through vaccinated people, too. we know if you're vaccinated you'll get-- and you still get it it's much less serious more like people used to say a flu. but i think it's the testing,

it's a daily pcr testing that's key to this. disappointing that the c.d.c. would have been stricter, we like strict rules and we've succeeded very well. jackie: if i my interject for a moment. ask your view on this. what do you think the last two years cruising was considered different in some ways, the mandates and restrictions were so much more stringent on your industry than, for example, getting onto an airplane, travelling and staying at a resort and even going to a restaurant. at a certain point when you're interacting with other humans, there's a risk of contracting the virus. why do you think that cruiseships took it so hard? >> in fairness, the start of the pandemic i think we remember some of the tv coverage from some of the ships and names should be unmentioned. of course, the reactions weren't good at the outset so

in many ways, one got what one deserved. but not all of this was viewed as what was going on with the virus. we saw it early on and we were the first in march 2010 to -- to stop operation, we stopped operation right away, and were the first one to do so, then we studied and found out the only way of making sure you don't spread it on the ship was the daily testing. you cannot prevent, you know, if i come on the ship, there's a delay period from when they may have been in contact with the virus. jackie: the testing-- >> and it's best. jackie: the testing is crucial. and we have seen it with omicron across the country, across all businesses, testing is crucial so that was very wise of you to institute that policy. we will be following up and see how you're moving forward throughout the year.

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has set out some very severe punishments for putin if he goes in. one, major sanctions, two changes in n.a.t.o. force deployment putting them more mere russia's border and three additional arms to ukraine. the administration delayed sending arms to ukraine, additional arms to ukraine this past weekend, a week ago, that's a good thing. it looks like they're thinking of moving additional n.a.t.o. forces to the east, but haven't taken that decision yet. it would be smart for them to do that. and i think that all of these things together will give putin pause. jackie: you do think so. you sort of look at dynamics and how they played out and the moves he's made. it's not like these threats weren't on the table already, john. it doesn't seem like he's taking them-- he's listening but as he moves his troops doesn't seem he's

taking it seriously. or maybe calculated it in. >> he's trying hard to intimidate the united states, n.a.t.o., the european union and ukraine into making concessions. that's what the troop buildup is about. he could in fact send them into ukraine, but he's suffering from sanctions we in the eu imposed in 2018 and cost him growth per year and sanctions now that come will be worse. and keep in mind, he's trying to change the security structure in europe. that's what the draft treaties he provided suggest, moving all n.a.t.o. forces out of the new n.a.t.o. countries that joined since the end of the cold war. if in fact by invading ukraine he want today put more n.a.t.o. troops on his border, that's a geopolitical loss for him. as long as he thought the threats we're sending his way are real he pays a great price for committing aggression in

ukraine. >> when it comes to timing, why is he doing it now? >> because his war, limited war in ukraine is failing. that was designed to get ukraine to develop a pro-russian foreign policy and it's not working so he's now hoping again with the threat of invasion, to force ukraine and the west to accept a kremlin dominated ukraine, but that's not worked so far either instead he's gotten pushback from the united states and europe. i think the united states needs to be bolder and send more advanced weapons systems to ukraine. they're reluctant to do that, but it should happen now. i would strongly encourage that. ukraine needs anti-ship missiles and delayed the javelins and stingers, javelins kill tanks and stingers, and a boulder policy. jackie: a lot of people are

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