and nancy to put down their ice cream and come deal with the real world. exactly. paul from missouri. you're related to arthur fonzo really? your hair is always perfect. not related. just very good hair products. that's all for us tonight. tucker carlson is up next. a member, i'm waters, and this is my world. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." you've got to handed to the the biden people. they don't specialize in subtlety, you're not going to miss the point when they talk. and they've been talking a lot about foreign policy for months, the white house has told us that if we are real americans, if we love this country and aren't traders, quislings, and we will wholeheartedly support jumping with both feet into a highly complicated conflict in an

obscure part of eastern europe where we have no national interests. why? because ukraine's borders are sacred, unlike your own, and if we are good people, we will recognize that and not ask any questions. so that's been their argument. you may notice it's not actually an argument. it doesn't even approach and argument. it is a lecture. it is delivered at high-volume with their signature freshman year self-righteousness. how dare you! no one from the biden white house is actually trying to convince you of anything. they leave that for people they care about, like their donors. they are not telling you that what happens in ukraine is more important than what happens in your country, although obviously that's the underlying assumption, they certainly believe that, but they can't say it out loud. they rarely say anything they mean out loud. what they do, and what they're doing now is they just yell at you about everything. shut up, prole! take the shot! surrender that civil liberty. pledge allegiance to ukraine or else you are a dangerous tool of vladimir putin. it's a heavy hand.

this, once again, is not subtle stuff, not a light touch, so why did they do it? well, they do it because it works. you can see it on display in washington even in that supposedly divided city, a place where you hear about partisanship, a place where nothing gets done. well, some things get done. you'll note that not a single republican leader has stood up to point out how insane all of this is and how completely divorced it is from anything that american voters actually care about. just the opposite. if you listen to mitch mcconnell, the leader of republicans in the senate, you would think that with the average welder back in his home state of kentucky really wants more than a pay raise or an affordable vacation or decent schools for his children, what he really wants is an end to russian aggression against the brave people of eastern ukraine. and that's wife you go to any dollar store in the state from ashland to covington, you'll find what they used to call regular folks muttering bitterly about that vladimir putin.

will he crossed the river on the way? how can zelensky stop him? at are the moldovan safe? what about holdovers territorial integrity? that's what they're talking about in kentucky tonight. of course it's possible -- we haven't run a poll or anything, that some in kentucky and in fact about 49 other states might be wondering tonight about gas prices, and they have reason to wonder. the price of energy is about to go up dramatically in this country thanks to joe biden's adventurism eastern europe. so that's a news story too and our own peter doocy asked about her today in the white house briefing. watch. >> gas in california is almost $5 a gallon. should people across the country expect to see that kind of a number when they go to gas up their car, $5, $6? >> secretary psaki: i think as you are the president say last week, standing up for our values is not without cost. >> tucker: oh. that's the "answer." standing up for our values is not without costs, schools the

gender studies major from oberlin college. fair enough. but that raises two questions. what exactly are our values and what is the cost? we can't answer the first question with any decision, the we are pretty certain it is something to do with trans rights. how could it not, those are values. as for the cost? what is the cost? well, here's nbc news. >> the national average now the highest since 2014 at 3.51 a gallon. up $0.20 in a month, up $0.88 from year ago. california with its higher gas tax is now averaging $4.72 a gallon, $4.82 in the bay area. russia is the third largest oil producer. experts warned that an invasion, sanctions, and counter sanctions would push gas prices to an all-time high. >> i think that combined with the seasonal ingredients would push the national average up beyond the $4-gallon mark. just a matter of time.

>> potentially pushing $6 a gallon in california. >> tucker: $6 a gallon. oil tonight broaching $100 a barrel. the longest it's been that high in a long time. so that's not a small thing, and it doesn't just apply to you if you drive a car. if you purchase any physical object it's almost certain that object had to be driven to you by someone who burns gasoline, so the price of everything is about to rise. and in a country that just beneath the surface is a lot poorer than it looks, that's not a small thing. in fact, it's going to be a tragedy for a lot of people, illegitimate tragedy, so if you cared about the people you governed, that would not be something you blow off with a flip of the hand as the cost of our values. you'd care. what you certainly wouldn't do if you wanted to preserve domestic stability is make it very, very obvious that you don't care at all. and yet that's exactly what

they're doing. they are telling you to your face we don't care. watch this guy on cnn. >> will there be additional economic pressure on americans and people around the world if we stand up to aggression? yes. but what the sacrifice that's being requested from people potentially to defend democracy in the liberal international order that has brought in 75 years of peace and prosperity in europe, something unprecedented in the wake of world war ii that america and its allies helped build. we need to a member that we are not fragile. we are not, as churchill said, made of sugar candy. dealing with a little bit of difficulty to stand on authoritarianism and autocracy is not too much to ask. we need to straighten and stiffen our spines a little bit. >> tucker: he quoted churchill, he must be onto something. he's channeling one of the great leaders of the anglosphere, winston churchill. a couple questions. how are we defining liberal democracy? how are we defining international order? how are we defining sacrifice? none of those terms are ever

defined, but it's the last one that they spend the least amount of time on. sacrifice. because of course the sacrifice will be yours. it will not be theirs. the person you just saw speaking lives in a duplex in new york city that was once owned by the astor family. we know that because he invited a "new york times" reporter and photographer into its own to brag about how rich he is. there's nothing wrong with being rich, but if you are it's probably unwise to give the back of the hand to people who aren't meant to tell him yes, you're getting a lot poorer, but that's okay because it will make me feel better about myself. that posture, over time, is more corrosive of social cohesion -- infective democracy -- that may be any other and history is littered with fallen regimes that have proved that. let them eat cake. so even at cnn, who shows are not anchored by geniuses, and even on the show, which is anchored by the former morning zoo host from tacoma -- so she

said so. >> that's a lot to ask. getting people to focus on democracy when the big table issues are eating them up. >> i think two things about that. but you're right, obviously people are feeling a lot of difficulty but that's also where government can take action to alleviate some short-term stress and i know folks are tired. i know they are frustrated but what we are being asked to do, what we've been asked to do is far less than other generations have been asked to do. >> tucker: we are being asked to do -- being asked to. -- she will be able to go on vacation with your family the summer, sure. the staples that you use every single day maybe out of reach but it's not a big deal because

dunkirk. imagine. but it's not just that guy, that dim bulb lecturing us about how the sacrifice is worth it. it's virtually everyone in power. what basis is it worth it? they'll have the same line. it's not rehearsed or anything. they're telling us that being able to defend democracy, our great privilege, will make all the suffering worth it. watch. >> the reality is that this is a moment where we will have to experience some short-term pain in order to make very clear that putin cannot invade ukraine. >> yes, there's likely to be a cost. exactly what the cost is going to be will be in the pockets of the americans. there's no doubt about that. >> my .2 people here at home is you can expect gas prices to go up, you can expect food costs to go up, and i can tell you from history, anytime we watch the

right of one group the eviscerated, it's just a matter of time before it comes back to haunt us. >> tucker: it's a little galling to be lectured by people with impossibly generation congressional pensions about sacrifices you get to make. but it's especially infuriating to have the last guy speaking of food races, has skipped very few meals recently, tell you that looking at history informs you of everything you need to know about the future. it really? what sort of history are we talking about? how about last year, when the withdrawal from afghanistan humiliated, degraded, and weakens this country. lindsey graham supportively cares about the military, did he do a single thing to improve it? did he call for the resignation of any person responsible for that humiliating disaster that resulted in the deaths of american citizens? no, he didn't. in those same people are now in charge of our strategy in

ukraine. so you can call that history and it might be worth learning from it. one of the things you learn as the people currently in charge have an extensive and easily verifiable track record of failure when they intervene into the highly complex affairs of other countries, countries whose languages they don't speak and whose histories they don't understand. people who by hubris and boredom wind up interjecting themselves into places they know nothing about. the bigger question really for lindsey graham is one is the last time he did anything, one thing, to improve the life of an american citizen other than himself? gas prices are up, food prices are. that's okay, because it won't affect lindsey graham. he doesn't have kids and he's got that general to generous congressional pension. what about you? you are going to be repaid in virtue. now, it's not cash.

it's not even cryptocurrency. it's better. for the rest of your life you can feel good about having supported something called democracy, something that is in shorter supply in this country than it's ever been, but something that we hope to defend in a country you can't identify on a map. so you may be poor. it's all most certain that you will be, but you can be very proud of that. and by the way, if you don't do that, you're a murderer. here's our daily reminder from mr. alexander vend been, a on msnbc. >> when you have tens of thousands of casualties, the republicans are going to own it. tucker carlson is going to own this. he's basically digging his own grave, so to speak, his political grave. it is going to be a meat grinder and he just went on record, tucker carlson, donald trump, basically encouraging this. i think this is the beginning of the end of these, you know, completely out of touch, far right whack jobs that are

basically encouraging putin to take this action. >> tucker: so it turns out it's not vladimir putin who's invading ukraine. it's the republicans. if donald trump and the fox news talk shows, they are invading ug out democracy. why do we play that? why do we get that guy airtime? because it's just interesting to check in on the hysteria levels. just how florid are they? how red in the face and praised are they? they are at 11 this week. any criticism at all, any question at all evokes that kind of performance. why is it in america's interest to do this? that seems like a fair question. shut up, your hitler! [cackles] and we are not overstating it! before we play this next clip, from nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, it tells you a lot.

if you respond to a question like "how does this help us" by accusing the person who asked the question of evil motives, of working for satan, or worse, you're probably not coming from a position of strength. strong people are coma. they know what they think, they know why they are doing what they're doing. they know how to convince you to support them and that. people who know they are wrong, more doing something that they don't want revealed in public, become hysterical, and so these people are hysterical. as promised, here's nancy pelosi. >> this is a very evil move on the part of vladimir putin. he's a kgb guy who happens to be probably the richest man in the world because of his exploitation of his own people that he doesn't want them to know about. this, my friends, is our moment. that's what people were saying

there. >> tucker: it's our moment! [cackles] did you catch that? so it's a nazi thing. like every thing else they don't like. anyone who opposes election fraud is a nazi. got it, that's the template, always. but it's kind of weird template, not to get too literal or anything, to apply in this circumstance since technically it was russia that fought them and more than any other country beat them. just saying. while it was ukraine that collaborated with the nazis. if that doesn't mean they're doing it now. but as long as we're pulling out the historical references... that's true. you think nancy pelosi would know that. she was actually alive at the time. believe it or not nancy pelosi was born before the second world war even started. but whatever, all bad things are nazi things. and all good things are

democracy things. watch. >> i think the one thing that we all agree upon is the attack on the ukraine by the russians is an attack on democracy. >> putin is terrified by the prospect of a democracy at his border. >> and that's why defendant democracy both at home and abroad must be an urgent national security priority. >> what is our democracy worth if we are not able and willing to stand against an invasion of another democracy? >> tucker: you've just got to play the clip of the last guy with his weird scraggly beard. always looks like he's reading something. can't quite pronounce the words. it's about democracy. we told you night after night, not because we are anti-ukraine or pro-russia, we are agnostic on both, don't live in either country, don't plan to, don't care to. it's not a matter of preferring one over the other. if it's a stubborn insistence on

defining words accurately because they matter in this country. if you subvert the meaning of a word as fundamental as "democracy," maybe you can tamper with the way we live here in the united states, just spit falling for a second. so ukraine, to be technical, is not a democracy. democracies don't arrest political opponents and they don't shutdown opposition media, both of which ukraine has done. and by the way, ukraine -- again, that's fine. we are not mad about that, go ahead and run ukraine if you think you can do a better job than ukraine is, just don't tell us it's democracy. but as long as the core goal of american foreign policy is to defend democracy and oppose anyone who is not running a democracy, you've got to kind of wonder -- and this may be occurring to these countries -- what about our friends in jordan, qatar, saudi arabia? what about at least 50 countries

in africa, none of which is a democracy. are they in trouble too? are we be sending advanced weapons systems to topple those nondemocracies just on principles? are those the values we are defending as we live through higher inflation and higher gas prices and get steadily poor? would also be interesting to know if the people you just saw talking about democracy are as exercised by china's lack of democracy. if china ever moves against taiwan, will we get the same lectures? probably not. the democratic party's donors have grown rich from the chinese nondemocracy. in other words, the dictatorship. nancy pelosi's family has grown rich from that dictatorship. so don't expect to hear nancy pelosi compare chairman xi to hitler anytime soon. debates about what is or what is not a democracy are interesting,

and they may have some academic importance. but in the face of the material reality of life in the united states, for example how much do things cost, can i afford them, does the plane land on time, doesn't land safely, can i take the subway or my going to get stabbed by mental patient, somebody let out onto the street? those of the realities that actually matter, not just in this country, but in every country. in the very people pushing this defense of democracy are the very people who have made those material reality is much worse this country. and until they answer for that, they should move onto another country, should improve things there. so we want to walk you through some of the likely consequences of what they are now doing in eastern europe. mark seemed like a good man to start with. thanks so much for joining us tonight. so, without even getting into whether or not ukraine is a democracy -- i'm embarrassed to even -- i mean, who cares.

but i want to know what the effect on the united states and on the purchasing power of the average person, is likely to be from what they're doing right over there. >> we are already seeing -- the first part of it is in california, $6 a gallon. gas is already up a dollar. estimates are seven, $8 a gallon possible with recession if putin, who we've given all of this power to by literally shutting down u.s. domestic energy, just a little history lesson here. in 2020, the united states was back to 1952 with energy, not just independence, but energy dominance. we were the world's largest oil and gas producer. more energy exports and imports, more energy production then consumption and we hadn't done that since harry truman was president. joe biden came in at he said first thing he wanted to do was jail fossil fuel executives. his energy secretary had done a video singing about no more gasoline, a world aflame.

biden -- by the way -- biden -- i'm sorry, obama's energy secretary said he wanted european-style gas prices. so what happened as he started shutting down the keystone pipeline, banning drilling on federal lands and anwar, and defunding banks through environment social governance. all sorts of things. so a war on fossil fuels happen. we are now in a much, much weaker position one year into this at administration to wear now vladimir putin is the direct beneficiary of all this, and think about you can't keep europe out of this. europe is many years ahead of their version of a disastrous green new deal, and one professor in europe actually said it's a typical marxist garbage is what they've engaged in and they began shutting down their energy, so the whole world has been empowering basically three places. the middle east for the opec, china, and now of course vladimir putin's russia. so the people that are screaming the loudest that we need to go in and save democracy in ukraine

have destroyed our energy independence and dominance and made us so much more vulnerable to whatever vladimir putin may or may not want to do. >> tucker: if you're making energy more important for your own people, you are these we hate your own people. i think it's that simple. in one sentence just if you could answer this question, is the chinese government, which clearly has no respect for human rights or even its own people, are they making energy more expensive for chinese? >> no, there's estimates they build about a coal plant a week, they are about 50% of the world's coal production. they laugh at all of this restrictions, but they were supplying most of our solar panels. >> exactly! >> but here's the thing. they are not going to learn. academia has been calling this for decades. this energy policy, what have they done? "the washington post" a few months ago actually said that we -- if jimmy carter had won a second term there would be no climate crisis. they lamented that ronald reagan won to the academia and media elites, jimmy carter's first term was a model, and that's

what they want to do and that's what we're facing here with the dash and by the way, john kerry wants to have an urgent climate summit. he announced on sunday. in the midst of all of this he believes climate is the greatest threat. their energy policy is the greatest national security threat we face. >> tucker: perfect. great to see you. thank you. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> we will investigate how our politicians are fixated on ukraine while ignoring what's happening to our own borders. j.d. vance is here with more on that. also, new report shows that pete buttigieg, now somehow running our transportation -- falling apart -- engaged in pay for play while he was mayor of poor south bend, indiana. he was not just incompetent but sleazy. are you surprised? we will have the details. ♪ ♪

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>> tucker: this story gets so much better. it turns out that pete buttigieg isn't simply self-evidently ridiculous. in a normal time we would be howling with laughter every day, and of course to module way and competent, have you tried to find an airplane recently? what are the chances it lands on time? zero. pete buttigieg is also corrupt. according to new reporting in the daily mail pete buttigieg excepted $250,000 in gifts from mayoral campaign donors when he

was "running" south bend. mayor pete then awarded those donors with $33 million in city contracts. wow! that's kind of old-school corruption! where's the doj? right. josh boswell is a senior reporter a dailymail.com which is trying to keep this man honest. thanks so much for coming on. this is such an old-fashioned example. he's taking cash and then handing out contracts? >> yeah. it's -- i mean it's not sort of a direct one to one like that but the pattern is pretty clear here. you've got 23 companies who are donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to his mayoral campaign, his dnc campaign, and even some to the presidential campaign. and then those same companies are awarded these big multimillion dollar, in some cases, contracts and the city of south bend. the city told me look, pete didn't have anything to do with awarding those contracts at the

time. he's the mayor and it's a separate board that does that, but when you have a pattern of 23 companies doing this, you really got to ask some difficult questions. i think some of the detail as well is quite interesting here. it's not just money going to the campaign. it's gifts like $700 worth of cigars and alcohol, but $250 golf trip given to pete. so i guess you could say it's old-school. >> tucker: yeah, well he's a cheap date, anyway. i mean, is it possible, do you think -- just trying to be fair and generous here -- that may be these companies, these road pavers or whomever they were, were just so impressed by the unbelievably great job pete buttigieg was doing for south bend that they just wanted to reward good behavior? >> i mean, i think that in some cases the contractors here did a good job for the city. so they saved the city money and

the city was telling me this was all aboveboard, but really when you're getting that much money as a company, you might be expecting some kind of return on it. and that's the question that you have to ask here and i think that transparency campaign that i spoke to about this were concerned about was derek would croak well. the city says not but when there's millions of dollars flowing back and forth you could ask the question. >> tucker: at least we know with the solution might be to our transportation problems. i personally would sent him a thousand dollars worth of cigars if he just fixed domestic air travel. we are going to try that. josh boswell, thank you for alerting us to that. potential solution. good to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: so the biden administration, as you know, is highly exercised about ukraine's territorial integrity. it's so important! we got to send them billions in weapons and talk about it nonstop. that does raise the question, how is territorial integrity of

our country? the truth is even worse than you imagine. j.d. vance joins us next. ♪ ♪ having everything i want in the place i love. jamaica. heartbeat of the world. let's go!

it certainly doesn't look very encouraging. >> this country is bracing for war. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: so the contrast between official concern over the borders of ukraine and official neglect of our own border is pretty hard to miss. we return to it again and again. we think we solved the riddle here. when ukraine is invaded it's a war crime. when the united states is invaded, it's equity. that may be why the biden administration has admitted thousands of refugees into this country without letting them. just last week the pentagon acknowledged that dozens of evacuees from afghanistan had "potentially significant security concerns." so on the pentagon tell something a potentially significant security concern, you should be concern. but these people were allowed into this country anyway because equity. let's change the population as

fast as we can so we never lose an election. oh, you can't say that. well, it's true. but back to the core point. how can people be this worried about ukraine's borders and this careless with our own? this is not escaped the attention of j.d. vance, he's running for senate in ohio we are happy to have them join us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. i mean, the dichotomy here is pretty hard to miss. >> yeah, that's exactly right. there are two things we have to keep in mind about this ukraine crisis that has nothing to do with our national security. the first is that the same people who have obsessed over ukraine and russia over the last two weeks are the same people who tried to take down a democratically elected president, donald trump, with their obsession of a restaurant. they say they care about the democracy, these are the people obsessed -- the second thing to keep in mind as this is a major

distraction from the actual problem that we have here at home. there's the unvented afghanistan refugees coming into this country. there is the fact that the leading cause of death in this country among 18 to 45 your the dash 18 to 45-year-olds is mexican fennel. our people would be safer if we declared the mexican cartels a terrorist organization, focused on them, and let ukraine and russia figure out what is russia and ukraine's business. >> tucker: that is such an obvious point. and i don't want to put you uncomfortable situation and ask you to call people out by name, but why aren't more republican leaders saying that? i think 91% of their voters would appreciate it if they did. >> welcome i think there are couple things going on but most importantly is there is a foreign policy establishment in this country that gets rich when america's sons and daughters die for stupid things but doesn't make a penny when america's problems are solved. and again, i can't get over the fact that these people obsessed with democracy, democracy,

democracy. they talk about it like it's the most important thing in the world. what about the democratic will of their own people? i saw a poll today that said 70% of democrats and 80% of republicans do not want america to play a major role in the ukraine-russia crisis. turns out that the tucker carlson-j.d. vance and donald trump view a foreign policy is democratically popular in this country, but you don't hear about democracy when it comes to foreign policy. >> tucker: i don't think i've ever heard a candidate for high office speak as honestly and as you just did, and i really hope you're rewarded for it. j.d. vance, thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: so the biden administration is now telling us there will be a russian invasion of ukraine before the end of the night. of course nobody is rooting for that, including us. nobody wants to see bloodshed or war ever anywhere. no one on this show is rooting for putin or rooting for the ukrainians parade we are always rooting for peace, for real. the question is what's going to

happen and who do you ask about what's likely to happen? it's hard to trust anybody. the minute we trust is retired colonel doug mcgregor. that's who we are asking tonight to make sense of all this. thanks so much for coming on. what you think is going to happen and what does it mean? >> well, first, tucker, let me just reiterate something. it like you and millions of americans, i really would prefer that the troops headed to eastern europe right now were headed to the mexican border. but i'm also very concerned that we find a way to avoid a conflict with russia. in the first thing we've to do is acknowledge that putin's basic point, not just his point, the russian government's point, which they've made for 25 years, is valid. they don't want u.s. forces and missiles and nato troops immediately across the border in eastern ukraine. absolutely. we didn't want them in cuba, he doesn't want them in eastern ukraine. we should acknowledge that. stop pretending it's a nonissue. it is a major issue for them. let's acknowledge it. and then let's get down to

business and tell them fine, our concern at this point is we don't want you to proceed west towards the polish border over the river in ukraine. in other words, you're going to go into eastern ukraine, that's pretty obvious, that's what the troop disposition suggests. we understand it. we would prefer not, but ultimately we do understand your point, we acknowledge it. we are ready to neutralize ukraine, ukraine doesn't have to be in nato. neither does georgia. and we can discuss those terms of neutrality. if you will accept those terms, then let's talk about the other things that are important, the inf treaty, making that relevant again. what about where troops are near borders and when they are not near borders and how they will exercise. we can sort through all of that. we have refused to do this and because we've refused it, we are going to watch as 130, 140,000 troops go into eastern ukraine in the next few days, and there's not a thing we can do about it.

>> tucker: so it does sound like this is happening and very quickly, what do you think the biden administration will do in response? >> i think they're going to do what we've seen thus far, which has been totally ineffective, ignore anything the russians say, threaten them with sanctions that frankly speaking are not very meaningful for the russians. they can find ways around them, they found ways around them before. all of this righteous indignation about entering ukraine, which is an artificial construct. a third of that country isn't ukrainian and never has been great so the bottom line is there's nothing we can do. we're going to look foolish and stupid. the real question is what about the europeans. only 26% of americans think we should even be involved in this. what about the europeans? where the germans? well, the germans have no armed forces. how can you possibly be taken seriously when you have nothing? there's nothing between germany and the russians but the polish army. >> tucker: such a good point.

doug mcgregor, thanks so much for joining us, as always. >> sure. >> tucker: so at the heart of the ukraine story is the fact that ukrainian interests paid millions of dollars to joe biden's family, obviously as protection money, and to a lot of politicians in washington. nobody covers this. nobody cousin the biden -- covers the biden family corruption at all, except maybe miranda devine, and big tech sense of her for doing that. she joins us next. then a fence just went up around the capital again. why? we got a live report for you from there. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: here's something strange. what looks like military style fencing has just gone up around the united states capitol building in washington. what is this? kevin corke has that story for us tonight. hey, kevin. >> evening. you'll recall we already live through months of this here in the nation's capital following the january 6th protests and now fencing is once again returning on the u.s. capital just ahead of the state of the union and possible protests here in town with some say is an effort to end the push for more sweeping

vaccine mandates nationwide. as for the panicked calls by some to once again encircle one of the major symbols of our democracy, the capitol police are saying this in a statement. "the temporary inner perimeter fence is part of those ongoing discussions and remains an option. however, at this time, no decision has been made." they say no decision, but some fencing manifestly is up and is going up at this hour. meanwhile, the pentagon has had to deploy hundreds of guards troops to "help with traffic control during first amendment demonstrations." this is what's become of our nation's capital. >> tucker: kevin corke for us. thanks so much. >> you bet. >> tucker: amazing how afraid of the population they are. miranda devine has spent the last year and a half chronicling the biden family corruption for "the new york post." we spoke to her for a brand-new episode of "tucker carlson today" and she told us how big tex silenced her newspaper and how former intel officials helped crush accurate reporting. here's part of our conversation. ♪ ♪

>> so we did our due diligence, sent someone down to the laptop repair shop in delaware, interviewed the guy there, you know, looked at the signature that he had from hunter biden. contacted people who who were other recipients of the emails that we were about to publish and then we published. and three weeks before the election, and within a couple of hours, facebook and twitter had just censored the story. wouldn't allow anybody to share it. twitter locked "the new york post" account for the next two weeks until a few days before the election. you know, people like kelly mcinerney -- kayleigh mcenany, who tried to spread the story tried -- got dumped off twitter. so there was this concerted effort. >> tucker: if we could just pause for a second grade i mean, were you expecting anything like that? the tech company regular to by

the government to censor a legitimate news story. >> obviously we expected at the campaign would push back and, you know, say that the story was russian disinformation, the usual. but we didn't expect that big tech would show their power like that. i mean, just expose themselves. you know, it was an eye-opener i think for everybody. and then of a little while later they deflect formed the sitting president of the united states. i mean, they showed that they have more power than -- i mean, the oldest newspaper in america. the fourth biggest by circulation. they decided that based on no evidence that they were going to stop us from disseminating a story that showed one candidate in the upcoming election in a bad light. and, you know, that was -- that was sort of disconcerting.

>> tucker: disconcerting. well, it's soviet. >> yes. but then, you know, john brennan and later that he and his pals in the intelligence and defense establishment put out -- i mean absolutely scurrilous, saying that in their expert view -- this is people like michael hayden. >> tucker: leon is just stupid, which is his secret. i know him, he's kind of a low-iq character. brennan is not stupid. michael hayden is not stupid. >> no. they are sinister. they have agendas. obviously. >> tucker: have they seen the laptop? >> no. they have not. at they could have asked us if they could see the laptop but in their expert opinion, these honchos, this was russian disinformation. all the marks of russian disinformation and that was enough. the rest of the media ignored it and -- crucially for joe biden

to get up in the next debate against donald trump and use that. that was his trump card, because of course trump brings it up and says you are corrupt and joe biden just says -- sort of misrepresents because all the people who signed it were retired, but he said the intelligence community has pronounced that this is russian disinformation. and that was it. >> tucker: miranda devine. she's not american, she doesn't work for "the new york times," and yet she is one of the best reporters in the united states of america. in one of the most fearless. it's worth hearing a lot more of that conversation on "tucker carlson today." we will be right back. ♪ ♪ .

>> tucker: well, we sadly are out of time with everything in the news. we could go on forever and forever. best that we don't. there is a long conversation we had with miranda devine. i can't overstate her bravery or

the precision of her reporting. she cares about facts. of course she was silenced but knowledge on our show. we will be back tomorrow night at 8 the show that is the sworn enemy of of lying, pomposity, smugness and group think. we passover to the great sean hannity. >> sean: we begin with another fox news alert. secretary of state blinken believes russia's full invasion of ukraine will happen before this night is over. >> before the night is over there will be a full invasion ever ukraine uncle i do. -- i do. russia is to the north, east and south and everything is in place for russia to engage in a major