especially in these settings. thank you for staying up extra late with us. >> we pray for the ukrainian people and our people on the ground, they do amazing work. >> we count on them and we are grateful for them. that's it for fox news, trace gallagher to take up our continued coverage. right now from washington. ♪ ♪ >> russia strikes. he declares the start of a military operation signaling the beginning of what the world has been fearing for months. a full-scale invasion of ukraine. the russian present claims his intentions are to save lives at same time he warned that any interference by other nations will lead to quoting here, consequences that they have never seen. ominous words that indicate eastern europe could be in for a very long, very bloody war. hello, everyone i'm trace gallagher way special

coverage of the crisis. it is 10:00 p.m. here in los angeles, 1:00 a.m. in new york, 8:00 in the morning. sunrise happening just over an hour ago and we have seen it growing now for months. the buildup of russian forces along ukraine's sovereign border and those forces clearly are in play to what extent we will learn in the hours ahead. but at this hour, there are reports russian troops can be seen. we have not independently verify that. but martial law has been declared as explosions around cities all over ukraine. bases are being targeted, not populated regions but everything that the russians have been saying has been taken with a grain of salt. meantime white house president joe biden is talk about an

unprovoked and unjustified attack. unlikely his word words will deter vladimir putin from deter him from his plan of. he claims it belongs to russia and he wants it back. the leader blames western allies for refusing to ban ukraine from joining nato. the efforts of diplomacy and sanctions by the international community has so far failed to resolve. so in the coming hours we will be keeping watch on the fast developing events with our team fox news correspondence we have lucas tomlinson on the ground. standing by and watched him with reaction from our political leaders in amy kellogg will join us from italy as the european union prepares to face

one of its biggest crises in decades. but for the very latest from ukraine let's go live with steve. they break, what you see? >> try to give you a sense of the mood here, it is certainly a terrifying warning for the 3 million people who live here. i'm just watching cars right now pull out. a lot of people who live here didn't believe that this would ever happen. they didn't believe that ballistic missiles would be exploding inner-city, that is what is happening we have heard two dozen explosions and you can see the orange glow come up from them. the russians are saying that they are precision weapons, they are not targeting civilians. but the russians upset a lot of things throughout this crisis and most of them have been lying. we are seeing people drive out, head west, and direction of poland just to try to get out of here. it has been loud noises and now into the day. explosions, likely targeting

command-and-control centers in ukraine. military, police headquarters. an hour getting reports from border guards as well. this is significant because a massive russian forces, along with forces. it's a straight shot down here to the capital. if border guards are being attacked as they are being reported, and russian forces are heading this way. this is a move toward the capital. this means that the goal would be decapitation of the political leadership here. it's also populated city, we could see street fighting, so in the next 4-5 hours those armored personnel carriers are coming this way. it's a cloudy morning, we've heard jets overhead although the airspace is closed. we've heard helicopters too so really just trying to figure out the fog of war here what exactly is happening.

people are fleeing, air raid sirens are going off, shells are heading and russian forces are on the move. this is not just an invasion, this is something bigger. this is a full-scale scale invasion. we've heard from president zelenskyy, he is staying put and that ukrainians will fight. they have an air force, they are a million strong, the civilians were fight as well. outgunned, by the russians. this russians do have the advantage, but i think the next 6-8 hours can be very telling do those russian forces and armored vehicles enter this capital city and what happens when i get there? back to you. >> you talk about that steve but i like to ask you these next 6-8 hours he brought his point up earlier about what does happen next? we've had these explosions. there seems to be a pause and correct me if i'm wrong, right now in the number of explosions in the alarms going off there,

but the question is exactly what you brought up. do they send in ground troops? do they wait to see what international reaction is? in your experience and you've covered a lot of of these types of conflicts. as a ground war a minute or will it take some time to develop? >> i think speed is really what the russians one at this point. i think they're gonna try to view things as quickly as possible. the worst-case scenario would be for armored vehicles to be inside a city and to be trapped, and to be pinned down and have their supply lines attack. i think they're gonna try to attack quickly get the job done here. we have seen masses of russian armor and personal carriers entering eastern ukraine and now they are on the move from they are being attacked from all

sides, from the north, from the east and from the south. they have a lot of aid from the west, weapons from the united states, but this ukrainian army is on its own. evan seen a terminus amount of preparation, really a lot of people in denial. now this is a big one, this is not a minor incursion, this is putin and the russian army with ballistic missiles coming to this capital now. >> won't have the belief steve at the russian president vladimir putin he does not want this to be another afghanistan. as the days go by, there is also that riff. they could overpower the ukrainian military forces one would believe very quickly, but the question is what happens in the long term? what happens if a lack of a better term a guerrilla movement exist there and they drag this thing out for months, possibly years which could also happen sina in afghanistan and iraq?

>> that's why people didn't really believe this would happen in this way. because the risks are so enormous. for russia, by launching a full-scale invasion on ukraine in defiance of most of the rest the world. the risks are very huge. in the long term it's tough to see how it stands up, we have some hints that putin is thinking, we heard him in a rambling, unsettling, unhedged, hour-long address where he went through russian history from all the way to the present day. ukraine is not a country. it's not a real country, and we are going to teach them a lesson. one man can call the shots in russia, one man controls the country, controls the nukes, controls the army, that man is bitter, he's angry, he has humiliated, he wants revenge and

everyone in his general staff is listening to them. they are hundred and 8 miles away and they are on the move towards the city. >> we will get back to you as a news breaks, great coverages ever. thank you nella's turn to house correspondent he is life with us at the white house and peter, clearly the president is watching this very closely. you said that he had a conversation earlier with president zelenskyy of ukraine. what we expect to happen at the white house in the hours to come? >> things have quieted down a little bit here since the two big batches of activity which we understand were a secure call for the president was brief by the defense secretary. and then an incoming phone call to the white house by the ukrainian president zelenskyy. apparently from a senior administration official told me, the president promise that later on today he will announce a new

sanction, we don't know if they're in a go as far. summing that could be on the table, but they are going to stick with sanctions. summing up this white house is very insistent upon. there is no circumstance under this president coming out at around we believe to say, u.s. troops are going to go to ukraine to fight russia. that is not going to happen, the president is going to continue to work with european partners, he's going to talk to the g7 on a zoom call tomorrow which was prescheduled as of a few days ago. they are gonna get off the zoom and then we are going to get an announcement from the president about sanctions and that is a doubling down on the strategy that they think is going to get vladimir putin to back off. he said from a long time that he thinks one of the most important things to vladimir putin is to have a plate in the international community. that putin wants to be

recognized and have standings amongst the other global powers. they think at the house that sanctions are away to minimize him to an extent where he will stop doing something like this. so far this white house, the day started or at least yesterday saying that they thought that first batch of sanctions had putin improvising and adapting his approach. they phil scott that there was can be some sort of invasion. we are not heard of all the talk about an imminent invasion about a warning really about everything there are teams on the ground are seeing some of these missile strikes that appear to be launched from the russians all over the country. so things are changing very quickly, it has quieted down

here the white house but a busy morning that starts with that g7 zoom in less than eight hours from now. >> you've talked a lot and even helping out with telling us about the sanctions. the word you can if the white house, they're not all gonna come at once. and i can fill the whole list at putin. they're gonna try to implement these things in a fashion that suits the european union, and all the other. >> they would always be dangling some more significant sanction down the line for summing that they think matches putin's action. who is working very late tonight's plane to me sanctions or something that you can basically have infinite possibilities. you can always go back and create new sanctions on someone, you can make them more severe, more significant. so there has been some reporting

out there that the rest of the sanctions are coming tomorrow, i'm told that that is not an accurate description. we just don't know what's in a be in there, a senior administration official told us it was in the last hour and a half or so that there are some significant ones in their and they are in a calm. joe biden could come out tonight if you wanted to just announce what he wants to do, but he's sticking with an approach of making sure that it's got all the rest of the g7 leaders on board before he does anything and he thinks that that is a show of strength that putin will respect. >> he may or may not be a right we will find out in the days to come. peter thank you, just moments ago air raid sirens could be heard in kyiv. standing by, what are you hearing?

>> we have not seen any bombers overhead. this could be a test, and russian ukraine is largely been unscathed. about two hours to the northeast of here, so far all is calm here in kyiv. six hours west of the capital city. it's a that we talk about how we got here, this is a crisis many people are saying is 30 years in the making of the soviet union fell apart. it's very clear that flight in was up at together with the russian empire back together. the soviet union disintegrated into very small ceremonies it took place in the woods of, the leaders of the soviet union they didn't even have a typewriter or computer. it is sorted down. fleming putin kimzey midgrade kgb officers. he read two nights ago, he calls

ukraine and russia one people. he has never recognized ukraine's independence and sovereignty, ukraine threatening to join nato. there is reasons that vladimir putin felt threatened by that. going back to 2008 there was a nato conference. at the time then president bush was trying to get on the line to nato membership. they said that georgia, and ukraine was can be a part of nato what happened then? or much later, they invaded georgia and six years later russian forces invaded ukraine. he was the one who gave them to ukraine. vladimir putin it was another mistake that he made.

part of the speeches that you been hearing of late are about the mistakes being made. he has feared nato expansion. in 1999 expanded to the countries of hungary. many of the people in the west were celebrating, he felt threatened there are missile interceptors in romania and poland. it so that offensive, it's meant to shoot missile interceptors. the russians don't see it that way. let's not get too tactical here, the same missile launcher that they found. those can also fire tomahawk cruise missiles he thought that they were the one violating the treaty years ago. this is part of the thing, and the west they see a defensive alliance, putin sees a threat. when they joined nato in 1999,

three weeks later they bomb syria. vladimir putin thought moscow could be next, that's why he's been hell-bent that they don't join nato. if he is successful and topping the government here in ukraine is of course open up the borders of many other nato borders and he will have nato on his doorstep which is what he fears and had issues with. >> you go back to that speech that vladimir putin gave a couple of nights ago and as you mentioned one people, hung them brothers and sisters. it's hard to square those comments with what is happening on the ground today. in other places and big cities where you are bombing your brothers and sisters. i may be that they are saying they are not surgical attacks, these are surgical attacks but it's very hard to walk back any kind of aggression like this in the days to come. >> we heard from ukraine's foreign minister who called this a full-scale invasion, and the

war has clearly started this evening with the russian military doing surgical strikes. short range ballistic missiles, i've not seen a lot of air strikes coming from any russian fighter jets or bombers. this is the country under attack as we said earlier. it's a very dark day for europe, probably the darkest most violent that we've seen since the end of world war ii. >> i just want to go with you are in lviv. we have the traffic and people going to poland saying that there is martial law there in the country. there are people apparently going about their morning duties and try to open up their businesses and so forth. does it look like, what have you seen where you are this morning was the reaction? >> let's take a look right now, i'm seeing a number of cars on the street, i'm seeing life, a woman walking her dog down there. a little bit of a traffic jam, people going to work.

it feels like a normal day. we saw of course the air raid sirens that you heard three different times, i'm not sure if that's a test. we have not seen any russian air activity. we've not seen any missile strikes here. it is a bit surreal. in the march up to the invasion, we are the reports out of the pentagon, we spoke with officials. jake sullivan who actually expected this that this would start with short range ballistic missiles and air strikes, they did come true. but the people on the ground here the kind of shrugged their shoulders in fact we have been at war for eight years, once and when i interviewed on the street. i've gone semisafe. sadly we will be seeing that the devastating consequences, but it is worth noting that the russians, they say that they're hitting military, it's not clear if that is all that they are hitting. the russians, use a different g

gps system that we do in the united states. that's courtesy of the u.s. military 30 military satellites. right now. >> i just want to play the sound bite real quick and i'll let you wrap it up and get back to business reporting. i want to play president zelenskyy's talk about martial law. >> this morning putin announced a special military operation. russia has carried out strikes on our military infrastructure and our border guards. explosions were heard in many societies of ukraine there is no martial law throughout ukraine. >> it's a good indication that the president's gonna stand and fight. nobody's leaving, parliament is planning on staying. they said look, we are staying, we are fighting, were in a gather, were to try to come up with solutions here. you're not going anywhere.

clearly some people are heading to poland's border. there might be a million refugees to leave during this time of war. but for the most part there is resolve that is astounding to a lot of people in the outside world. >> their server is parliament actually passed a law just yesterday saying ukrainian people can carry firearms. top officials were saying, don't panic, keep calm effect i was in chernobyl a few weeks ago, i interviewed the defense minister of ukraine and he said, keep calm, don't panic. but clearly even before tonight in this large-scale invasion. these missile strikes, you can tell the people i started to get nervous. they're starting to get nervous here in lviv. this is something that he is one of for a long time.

this may be many people waken up and turning on the tv what is happening? this is something that's 30 years in the making. it's the fall of the soviet union. russia's borders, it fell to the smallest borders. he wants to put the russian empire back together. >> he is violently trying. we will get back to you, in the meantime explosions can be heard in several ukrainian cities as russia launches an all-out assault on its neighbor to the east. russian president m food and issuing a stark warning to other countries saying, any attempt to interfere with the russian action lead to quote, consequences of they've they've never seen. with us, who is deployed to afghanistan twice and colonel. you go back to that warning vladimir putin issued is clearly pointing that warning at the united states saying, don't try it.

>> without question he is. that's the reason why just a few days ago he had a nuclear triad exercise where he demonstrated their nuclear bombers, their submarines, their silo launched missiles that they have the capacity to make good on that and then look, i'll just tell you. i think were really miss reading what's going on with putin. i'm think is trying to rebuild the soviet union, i think he means what he has been saying for 15 years that nato and ukraine is a redline that he will fight to prevent. he proved in 2014, and even recently as last december he was saying you guys just aren't believing me. i was serious about this, this is a redline. he knew when he started building up his forces he was showing us. we had every opportunity just acknowledge reality and we

should've pulled nato off the table for ukraine. it could be the one thing that prevented this war entirely. but instead we want a whole with principles and stuff and other people of ukraine are paying for that. i'm being very clear, no one is responsible for the blood except for vladimir putin. nobody. but we could have mitigated this. we could have. >> the kind of echoed that kernel if you will, saying maybe someone should have listen just a little bit to what the president of russia was saying. listen i don't want weapons, i don't want nato weapons that close to my country. an example someone gave tonight was listen, the united states didn't want them to have nato weapons close to the country. countries are very territorial and they want that. nobody is letting putin off the hook kernel, but what you're saying is there might've been a pathway to resolve earlier,

earlier in this diplomatic debate. >> 100% i been saying for months on this network that that very thing right there. we had a shot to de-escalate this and remove vladimir putin's reason for launching invasion. look, we recognized it that they're not coming to nato. fitting qualify for it, and thus the reason why no nato country is going to fight for ukraine. we should've just acknowledged it that that's over and i happen by taking it off the table now that we provide the protection negotiating. that could've taken it off the table, but unfortunately we didn't even try and we have what we are right now with the be very careful we don't escalate this beyond it. >> the ukrainian ambassador brought up an important point, look we gave away our nukes and 2018, we struck a deal.

speaking of course of ukraine, and then return the united states is giving us a security blanket. not a guarantee that they'll come in fight or protect us, but some sort of security zone. do you believe that ukraine expects united states because of that agreement to do a little bit more than just sanctions? >> i think that they are desperate and they're trying every thing they can. i don't blame them at all for that. below, they have to acknowledge that if russia was trying to have a military alliance with mexico, and their input russian troops on the ground there, there is no way that we would ever be satisfied and okay with that. it's unrealistic for us to expect putin to have the exact same thing on his border and be okay with it. all we have to do is treat russia the way we did all during the cold war. we never liked or any of these other guys here. we cooperated with them and we had an understanding we wouldn't

get into their territory and they want to get into hours and it balance there. we have now recognize that this is not 1994 anymore, we can't just tell them which is can happen over and have a worse situation than we have now. >> i'm curious colonel of the strategy that's being employed by russia right now what you think of that? they've come out and said even though it that they every step of the way you will have to take what they say with a grain of salt. rich has come onto say that these are tactical strikes right? we're not going after areas of population. it doesn't matter, once you drop that first explosion, that first bomb, it doesn't matter if you're going after the dome, the capital, or if you're going after some military base on the outskirts. what is done is done, and you are all in. is that fair? >> ivan also saying that. i don't listen to what they say. look at what they do. when you look at the types of

force that they have, where they are located. i think a single pretty good pattern of what the looking to do. this is exactly what would happen. it's unfolding the same way ice expected which they would try to knock out commando control, they would try to knock out any aircraft radar, they would try to their ability to shoot mrs. bax, once that is taken back vinegar start seeing lots of airfare come in and and then you're gonna see the military forces with the tanks come rolling in, not to invade because i'd be the worst mistake that they can make. but the probably bypass cities and estate get behind front line of ukraine soldiers and probably destroy their field army in the field. because that's the biggest advantage that russia has is that they have mobile firepower where ukraine's military is very static on a trench line. >> you don't think that vladimir putin wants anything to do with getting involved in a protracted battle, he doesn't want to guerrilla war that's can go on for months, or years.

>> he said that during a speech today, that's one of the few things that you can ask you him at his word for. because what he wants to do is up to ukraine in place that he doesn't want to run it, just wants a person to run it to be neutral stutters or buffer between him and nato like you talk about. as a correspondent mention correctly minute ago. i would put him on the doorstep with nato and he doesn't want that. he does want that buffer so i think that if he carves out enough territory we can have that have people in the ukraine government that are willing to finally just make a deal that they're knocking to go to nato, i think that's probably good to be acceptable to him. that's the lowest cost to get his political objective. >> lastly, it's up to carve out that area, the region we been talk about this for the past 3-4 days. they are still fighting with the rebel forces and this is going

on for eight years now it's difficult to go in and control of the cusseta best. easy to take over a country, it's hard to maintain control of that same country. >> i'll tell you the disparity between the russian armed forces in the ukrainian armed forces is fast. russia can do a short period of time with ukraine's can into over eight years and that's bring extraordinary destruction. because if you get of their military and their capacity to defend themselves. >> colonel thank you for coming on we appreciate it sir. >> always my pleasure, think for having me. >> they hit them with cyberattacks leading up to the invasion the question is are we next? cybersecurity expert and former state department sr. very good question because we did a report for an earlier show tonight saying hey listen, there

was a pattern here. the first and you do is you do cyberattacks right? they try to flood these different servers and networks of ukraine's that nobody else can use them in the step one, and they followed step one. are you surprised that we were talk about this two weeks ago and that's exactly what they did? >> not surprised at all. this is part of their work for a fact. i give you a little. our team just found actively happening right now in ukraine that they call a wiper. as a malicious software that wipes the master boot record of all windows machines. as another active attack besides the service attack. they're not wiping out the ability for these machines to reboot and even work. senator started take out communications, command uncontrolled. the russians, the russians use the same tactics from 60-7 years

ago. technology now as you tool for them to use in this is part of their toolkit. they did it in december when they attacked ukraine on the power grid. they did it when they rerouted traffic. the 2008 invasion of georgia when they bombed georgia. it took over some of the countries web servers put fake news on there. this is something that they've been doing for years. >> i just want to read this again because people who missed it in this kind of applies to the conversation arriving right now. vladimir putin said in his comments by the special military operation, he said a couple for people who would intervene. russia will respond immediately and you will have consequences that you've never have had before in your history, clearly those comments were aimed at the united states. my question is, he doesn't appear to be talking militarily. he seems to be talk about something we've never seen which

would be cyberattacks on a massive scale. as of that possibility, is there is the potential does russia have the tools to pull something like that on us? >> nothing is off the table and the capability, they absolutely do. one adversary in cyberspace to the united states nato, is russia. if some of the best tacticians comedy of some of the best techniques, they've shown it and demonstrated it over again. a rush as to be careful, this is not kinetic or they're talking about. this is cyber war. we have the ability now to bring in our other nato partners, the cybersecurity center of excellence that has been developing nato tools. this may be a bridge too far for putin if he actually tries to want to attack. he wants plausible deniability. he wants to make it very difficult to attribute some of these attacks back to russia. would he sing right here then the question becomes does not

constitute some type of an act of war? with a cyber attack clearly states it's gonna do it does that five? that this is a policy issue that someone has to figure out. >> i think it's a very good question, if he does in fact go after the united states of some type of cyber attack, does he leave a signature without attack? just mean that we can point exactly to vladimir putin in that attack? >> there is to a variety of things. once they find a set of tools that were, they don't invent a whole new set of tools each time. which you find it you find it. were able to track them off the base of software they use. but now because of the invasion of ukraine it's very clear that none of this is happening except without the express approval of vladimir putin. he is directing his intelligence, his military, his naval forces to take activity so if these things happen, i think it's a very short leap in logic to say if this had it come from vladimir putin it had to come

from russia. it's tieback to the gru, there intelligence organization. it's russian-made. >> it's the pipeline, cyberattacks in the united states and it sure looks like russia right? a lot of other attacks, similar tax. they point towards russia, nobody knows. how we got better? i'll be better now at defending our country from these types of attacks listen, you cripple some of these infrastructures, some countries infrastructure and i was a long way toward scrubbing the country. >> if you want to bring a nation to its knees you after power, and water. just with her doing on the banks, people having a hard time getting to the money. them sending text messages, psychological operation. you bring all this stuff together, but then he goes back to we are getting better at defense, were not what we need to be. outside the executive order that was signed by joe biden a couple

months ago saying hey, with a bring our technology into the 21st century. if you get modern defenses, that's gonna go a long way to helping us. we have a country, we have an energy grid that's organized. we have thousands, upon tens of thousands of computers. i think the government really knows what they have. so is there a way for them to find just on one computer that's not protected and get in? probably, but at the same time this is what i was saying. they do that to us we can bring it back to them. we are not involved at a kinetic war right now. we can bring all of our forces into cyberspace and only chubby thing. >> i want if you can answer this question because a lot of people talk about the sanctions. they are pivotal in the present of a kind of go over a list of brand-new sanctions that he has imposed upon in the coming days. there will be a flood of sanctions on russia. you look at north korea, there is a flood of sanctions on them, still operating. the silver young kim still in

power. they still have allies helping them. a lot of people will point to the reasons being because they've gotten so good at cyberattacks and cyber use but they are able to kind of dance around a lot of these sanctions by nipping at the system in the cyber world. as i summing that's not actually achievable? >> i don't think that the sanctions are gonna work exactly to your point. we have sanctioned out of iran. sanctions want to anything to stop what's going on right now. it just punishment for behavior that securing now. what will it do to deter him in the future? i just don't think that these sanctions will have a material effect. if the thing too is that russia has been increasing their cooperation with china. we might cut them off, but there was be some kind of financial

relationship between russia and china. maybe like the mob, it might cost russia some money but it will be totally excluded because they're putting these relationships in place. but every time we tried to sanction north korea, they may do more things. they bring to the swiss system. $96 million. there are very adept at stealing our currency and money getting around sanctions. >> you mentioned china they're the ones dropping the bombs right now. are you still more concern when it comes to cyberattacks about china and russia? >> i think russia is a notch above china, but to put them at tier one actors. i'm very concerned about china. one of very concern right now that they are getting a very good template for china to the sing now they were very good template for how they might do something with taiwan. what kind of activities they have going on and this serves as a huge distraction means that

china now has more time to do additional penetration for additional systems so they do any kind of attack to use part of this is a playbook to say that we will lock the cyber first is a hybrid warfare. and then will follow with the troops and forces and kinetic capabilities. >> what you think right now was the biggest for you have of russia doing to the united states? we see what's going on right now in the grind ukraine at some of these other regions. when you think the biggest cyber threat right now that russia could do to the united states in the wake of all these sanctions, in the wake of all this activity? >> its power, and energy. so for example going after electric grid, it only takes coming off the hit 1-2. the attack on the colonial pipeline back in may of last year. they started in april they were in the system and then it may be said hey we have your ransom.

when you look at the way that people reacted to a perceived shortage of fuel. there is no fuel shortage. we had people filling up gas tanks and plastic bags with gas in fact i saw study that came out today it was done at said, there are people who say 55% of the people to be interviewed they cannot go for a day without their smartphone, i think 3-10 set up their battery starts running out and creates excessive anxiety. you mention what happens if you can power up your phone for a day? some the actual things that happen come and overtired about people are so addicted to social media and technology that they actually got anxiety because they don't have the phone or the phones about them or not a battery power, does not place to charge it. so i think the only if they thing, will the consumers. >> we saw back in a pandemic, the beginning of the pandemic will people to go when and by armfuls of toilet paper paper

towels because that they are not to get any more. thought what's going on i get a mentality. people are very, very afraid and aware that summing that they use every day could be taken away from them. great conversation thank you sir we appreciate. >> brand-new video just in at the air raid sirens going off in ukraine's capital of kyiv these were about an hour ago. right now the clock almost 8:45 a.m. in kyiv, president biden is expected to announce a new round of economic sanctions that joe biden calls here severe. from utah congress. we talked about the sanctions and cybersecurity expert about them. the question is does it matter how severe they are what we talked about iran and north korea. get the most severe sanctions in

the history of the world on both of these countries and they are both still operating. their leaders are still dining in high style of the people suffer on the streets. the question is will he sanctions, will they have any effect at all and stop them over sing ground right now and other places around ukraine? >> i think the time implement sanctions was before vladimir putin invaded a country. when putin and russia went into georgia there were sanctions and obviously it didn't deter them because they still occupy about 25% of georgia. then they go into crimea and the president at the time obama announced sanctions. that must've really scared him because he was so afraid to go back into ukraine because it would be more sanctions. i think it's absolutely laughable, i think it is the bare minimum it's what you tried to do. and how is it that you're gonna

implement all of these sanctions and the next time summing else comes up they get more sanctions. if we can unload sanctions, make it painful, unload all of them. i think it's pathetic, late response to suggest that you've done something. i understand why the president of united states is not on the airways tonight with a message to the world and helping to lead the world against what putin is doing. instead he taken a nap, getting a nice rest. >> a lot of people up so that you go back to sanction some people said again, and again. including the president of ukraine zelenskyy, they're meant as a deterrent. once the bombs have dropped there is no. when you gonna do? take days, maybe months to take effect because they know how to get around them. for the short term. and the question is what happens to ukraine in those 30 days? >> yeah, there's nothing.

it takes years sometimes to be put into place. nothing can be even a pinprick, i think putin laughs about it and it's an absolute joke. it's a pathetic response to one of the most serious invasions we have had since world war ii. >> the most serious. you look at what's happening in the ground there what's happening in the outer areas in the breakaway territories and it really is. a heartfelt for the people there. i'm wondering when you thought, you saw the first bombs going off or heard about the first explosions an end around kyiv, your first thoughts were what? >> there was a lot of experts on fox that said, he may go try to get some these breakaway areas but then he really wouldn't move on kyiv. you had a colonel said he is

really do anything with the capital city. we just have fox news correspondent with bombs going off. you've pictures of smoke going up in the air. give the president of the country declaring martial law throughout the country. this is a country that is under attack, it's being invaded and a lot of people said oh, no, putin is a gonna do this. i don't see any sign at this point that he is gonna do anything like this. why would you slow down and who is gonna slow him down? >> he also brought up a point where he said listen, we could've avoided some of this if we had just come if nato had just said maybe we talk about the whole concept of ukraine joining nato. we say that's not going to happen. would you have liked to of seen that back on the table or is that something that's a separate issue? >> i think you can go ahead and talk about it, but i think one of the main problems here is

that we did not lead out with the world. we did not lead out with all of our nato partners abroad or europe being able to say that the united states of america is an energy independent organization, we will export our liquid national gas and other natural products gas products to the world. instead we have joe biden them kamala harris same that global warming was the biggest threat to their livelihood. i don't get the people of ukraine think that global warming it's really the big problem right now. it's vladimir putin on the march and the people in taiwan are people worried about the president of china coming in and taking over taiwan now. when we don't need the world with energy independence and supply our friends around the world with that energy, they rely on iran, and russia. that's how russia and iran fuel their future. the only reason they have the money nor to even escalate this is because of the rising fuel

prices. the price of gas was low with donald trump, they didn't have the money and resources to do this. but now they do. >> i wonder early on laura ingraham's show. he was talk about his relationship with vladimir putin and president, he had good leadership of both. he also pointed out that the whole idea of improving relations and ties with russia at the time. the course was being accused of russian pollution. i wonder if you think that those accusations in the three years of just absolute dead wrong information actually hurts what were seeing now, our relationship with russia and the future do you think it has an impact overseeing on the ground now? >> i do. he has but as much. he said that it impaired his

ability. >> is a good thing to have a got dialogue. joe biden during the pan campaign same that putin feared him. he was only one who's into a toe-to-toe with them. it is only one that was to make sure that he was on the march. you know what, during the time of ronald reagan and during the time donald trump because he carried a big stick. the consequences millions of people in peril, a country, a sovereign country being overtaken in the middle of europe right during joe biden's watch and they are now. it's an embarrassment on the world stage. >> thank you for staying up with us we appreciate it sir. >> absolutely thank you.

>> we have some breaking details as russia escalates its attack on ukraine let's get back to steve harrigan was on the ground with a brand-new information see what you seeing? >> i think throughout this >> both militaries, ukrainian and russian, making claims that are hard to verify. one claim bears paying attention to, that's the russian military claiming they've knocked down all of ukraine's air defenses. that would be significant. in the predawn hour we saw a number of explosions around the airport here. those were targeted command-and-control centers. it may be some of that air defense system taken out. russia is claiming that ukraine's air defense system is gone. the other thing to keep a watch on his russian troops from the north, russian troops are

battling border guards from belarus. on the northern border we are seeing tanks move towards this direction. that is the shortest route to the capital. two things to keep an eye on, no air defense system very likely and russian troops now on the move towards the capital from belarus. the other thing is there's been a lot of speculation of the kind of war is this going to be? a minor incursion perhaps just up to the capital? but there are five cities now under attack in the west. this is not only a full-scale invasion. it's an invasion and an attack on the entire country of ukraine. >> steve, talking about the troops coming from belarus. you have an idea how long it would take them to reach the capital? >> it is 108 miles in a passenger vehicle. it would take you less than two hours, a good highway. military vehicles probably slower. it's interesting, are tanks

going to come into an urban area? disaster in the past when they have done that kind of fight in chechnya. we will -- will they stay at the outskirts, trying to seal it off and bring the people in trying to disable or decapitate the political leadership? that is the more likely scenario. >> trace: you talk about the air forces, if that's true, ukraine's air defense system is now done, it's inoperable, i wonder what that does to the strategy of ukraine. there has been a lot of talk, they have been sent weapons from the united states, from nato. they have weapons, they are willing to stand and fight which i'm sure they are. the question becomes how able are they to withstand this russian assault? it is a mismatch we know going in. without any kind of air defenses, it becomes an even bigger mismatch. i wonder if that changes the calculations of whether they stand and fight or if there is

some other remedy. >> they are going to stand and fight, no question. you are right to say the importance of total air superiority will shape this battlefield. as far as the weapons go, the u.s. has brought in hundreds of millions of dollars with the weapons including those javelin antitank missiles. we could see those in operation in the very near future. they are portable missiles. one soldier can carry them and basically it gives the ability of a single soldier to take on a tank. we could see individual versus tank on the battlefield in ukraine in the coming hours. >> trace: awful images, steve harrigan live on the ground. stay safe. earlier in the week russia president vladimir putin recognized independent states. president biden issuing sanctions hoping to deter president putin.

he tweeted "today announced the first transient sanctions in response to russia's actions in ukraine and if russia goes further with this invasion, we stand prepared to take further steps as necessary." where the sanctions harsh enough? or did they come too late? new york congresswoman joins us now. that's the question. a lot of people including as we talked earlier, the ukrainian president said we need sanctions. we don't need them after the bombs fall. we need them now. this was last week. and we need them to be harsh that at least president putin can feel the pinch before he makes the final decision. your thoughts. >> i agree. the house foreign affairs committee proposed a sanctions package that was crippling and would've been much more severe than what the biden administration initially proposed. it was rejected by the democrats. unfortunately the biden administration is a little bit too late. we have this terrible invasion

by putin which is murderous. unverified reports that are -- ukrainian military members have been killed. this is unbelievable this is happening. we are in a position where president biden should be speaking, i agree with the former congressman and my calling jason chaffetz. president biden should be speaking to the american people right now is this incredible and absolutely tragic situation is happening in europe. the worst situation certainly since world war ii. what does this say about the u.n.? as the russians are still part of a -- the permanent member of the u.n. security council and our president at this point where an organization that is supposed to be preserving the world peace and providing security is now invading a sovereign country and killing innocent people throughout that country. it's just unprecedented at this point in the modern era. >> trace: congresswoman, you mentioned you think

president biden should have taken to the airwaves earlier this morning or now or sometime in the next few hours. it will be probably the next ten, 11 hours before we see the president and he will talk about more sanctions. he is going to call and has called severe sanctions. is it enough? what would you say if you were giving guidance to the president? what would you do? are the severe sanctions going to be any kind of solution to what we are seeing on the ground right now? >> as we know, it's now late to impose sanctions. put in a very bad situation. these crippling sanctions should have been done before the invasion occurred. there are a lot of reports that this was just going to be the two eastern provinces but now we see that showing is going on and is a complete invasion of the entire country of ukraine. i'm not sure that even crippling sanctions as your guests have pointed out, north korea, other

countries, iran, have continued even with severe sanctions. we must continue to put as crippling a sanctions economically as we can. i proposed a bill that would remove russia to not give them a forum and preside, and international forum on u.s. soil as the head of -- is the president of the u.n. security council. i know this is a tough and may be almost impossible move but we used to have to use every diplomatic play that we had. every economic play that we had. unfortunately, as many of your guests have pointed out, we need to be head of the game on cyber. russia is ahead of us. they are setting the stage, a template for future invasions by russia, by china. length of taiwan and potentially emboldening our adversaries around the world just showing how easy it is to just walk in and take over another country by force. this is just something that's

going to be very difficult for us to gauge over the next few days, especially the next steps. i'm not sure these sanctions may be too little, too late at this point and whether we are going to have to be engaging with some of our troops are already deployed at least providing some assistance in poland on the baltic states and other areas of eastern europe which i am certain are very concerned about was happening tonight, as innocent people are being killed in ukraine by a murderous dictator, vladimir putin. >> trace: when you say troop involvement, the united states troop involvement, exactly what do you mean in poland? >> in many ways i don't think that a direct involvement, some kind of support from those other countries, some of the things that we have done in the past when we rolled back out of iraq and other places, we only provided support. i'm not sure if that's even an option at this point. we have to look at every option. we cannot tolerate this type of

activity happening on european soil. and while we are weak. the united states' economy, obviously with the inflation at a 40 year high, gas prices in california over $5, going to $6 or $7 we are hearing and it's only helping putin. our energy independence has been slashed by closing and shutting down the keystone pipeline. finally the biden administration decided to do something about the nord stream 2 pipeline which they had green-lighted earlier. energy independence is really important. it's a serious situation. talking about the green new deal and implement a that, many members of the european community are talking about shutting off our ability to have all the above strategies when it comes to energy. if they cut off the electrification in ukraine and their ability to get water and power and food, this is going to be a serious crisis and is going to be a template for other would-be dictators that might be

empowered by what vladimir putin is doing. it is simply diabolical. >> trace: that's my next question pretty much in china. talk about president xi. you know that he's looking at this and thinking about taiwan. it's a pickle for the united states. >> absolutely. i'm concerned that we are projecting -- we have a president who should be in front of the world today as the leader of the free world. he should be in front of us right now with harsh sanctions immediately. we shouldn't be waiting and reassessing tomorrow. this has got to be done now and we should be looking at every option to stop vladimir putin because this is just 1 foot in the door with one dictator. we have dictators and adversaries around the world were going to continue to provide, to threaten us. again, we spent billions of dollars on this organization that is really not giving us more than a bureaucratic response in giving an international stage and credibility to people like

vladimir putin and the russians while the ukrainians are being killed before our eyes right now today, here and now. >> trace: here and now. yeah. congresswoman tenney, thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. continuing coverage of the breaking news you see life pictures right there, kyiv, ukraine. the war is on. now to a fox news alert. air raid sirens heard across ukraine from the capital of kyiv. ukraine is under martial law. explosions rocking ukraine as russia on launches an attack. it's only the beginning. a full-scale invasion. a defiant ukrainian president says he's not going anywhere. he vows his people will stand and they will fight. hello, everyone. i am