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no annual fee on any discover card. ♪ ♪ >> brand-new video of dozens of russian helicopters and jet fighters taking part in a mass of air assault of a key airport in ukraine. russia has now seized control of that airport. this is in the last little while. that's after vladimir putin launched out full-scale war on ukraine. president biden now set to speak for sauer. i'm harris faulkner, here with my cohosts, emily compagno and kayleigh mcenany. also joining us martha maccallum and general jack keane. you're watching "outnumbered." explosions walked down my killing dozens of people, including civilians.
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moscow claiming it's dealt a devastating blow to ukraine's military in a war they could have major repercussions for the geopolitical order. more with the latest on this. >> harris, good afternoon. we just heard a strike in the ukrainian capital appeared i want you to listen overhead, there are russian fighter jets circling. you can hear the roar of the jets in the distance as the ukrainian military's warning what we saw last night might have been the first phase for russian forces. we do know according to the ukrainian energy minister that a power plant in the southern part of the country is currently controlled by russian troops. give me one second, i need to grab my helmet here. you can hear the jets off in the distance. there is a real concern that the air campaign that the city of kiev saw over the past
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24 hours -- >> harris: go ahead and put your helmet on. do what you've got to do. we will wait. seriously. while he's pulling that into place what we can tell you is the president of ukraine says he's losing military numbers. he's telling his citizens to get ready to fight. there were shelves heard and now we are hearing them again closer to the capital city of kiev. if that happens there is a forecast, a potential for urban warfare. we go from about what that would look like get that hand on hand combat, nobody's ready for that. we are back, you are safer and you are a moment ago. when you need to you do what you do. >> the big concern is the air campaign will start up. we know there is pretty heavy
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fighting taking place in the northern part of ukraine. there are a couple of reports right now of really intense battles after russian troops crossover from belarus. they are engaging ukrainian forces that are trying to defend the only road from this direction that leads to the capital of kyiv. at the same time we are getting reports on a military base about 15 miles from here, just outside of the ukrainian capital, that earlier in the day russian attack helicopters hit multiple times in an effort to take it over. they're big concern here is that if they are able to gain control of an airfield it's one of the closest military airfields to the ukrainian capital. if they control that airfield they can fly and more armored vehicles. if they make progress in the north are going to be able to hit the city of kyiv from multiple directions. it's the worst-case scenario that analysts warned about, that russians would try to come into
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ukraine and choke out the capital in an effort to change the government. ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy, is urging calm preparedness. he saying anyone who can fight the pick up weapons and begin a resistance. we know in other cities, the second largest city in ukraine, there are intense street battles taking place as russian tanks roll in along with armored vehicles in the south there are battles taking place. end of the far east, in those regions of donetsk the ukrainians are trying to push back the russian invasion. this hour russia continues the air and ground campaign into ukraine. western intelligence officials are warning that the capital of kyiv could fall within days. >> and that is specifically problematic because of the numbers of people who have yet to get out. we saw the video earlier, and if you want to pop it up on the screen, you're talking about hundreds of thousands of people who are trapped now. just moments ago, with my last
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guest on the faulkner focus, we were having a discussion about the people who might not want to get out at this point. maybe they just live under russian rule because they are trapped. >> harris, people saw the images of civilians who were killed in other parts of ukraine. the official estimate of soldiers is at 40 deaths on the ukrainian side, but that came out this morning that that's likely to rise sharply in the coming hrs when an official number is released. civilians here now, reality is settling in for them. those who wanted to try to leave, dead. we saw the images of the cars bumper-to-bumper outside of this european capital. but you are right, some will choose to stay, some will choose to fight. we have talked to civilians over the past several weeks and they say if they have to they will launch insurgencies in this city to fight back against russian forces who have tanks and fighter jets.
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this is a country who is not a huge disadvantage when it comes to fighting russia, but one advantage they could have, and it's likely a scenario if we do see russians move on the capital of kyiv, they have an urban warfare advantage aired while the russian air force is ten times the size of the ukrainian air force, when you're on the ground fighting door to door, which is what could take place in the coming days, the ukrainians what could even use what might look like gorilla warfare. you'll see a lot of antitank missiles being used. today the russian defense minister basically said they've been having success with the javelin antitank missiles, even noting that 15 tanks were taken up by the ukrainian forces in the northeastern part of the country. >> we had a congresswoman say last hour that the leadership that decided to sell them those, they wish they could sell them more because they are effective. what you're describing is what warriors will tell you is that ground deference that advantage,
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that difference inside of an urban setting. thank you very much. stay safe in your reporting. welcome back to you as the news warrants this hour. it's dark where you are now and the war is on. general jack keane is with us today. i have a question for you. just in terms of looking at the map now, what happens if and when russia territory gets bigger? what happens for putin? >> well putin, as we all know, this is about his personal legacy. that's why he wants to bring this land, ukraine, back under the orbit of russia. something he believes was a historic mistake to ever become an independent state. certainly he was aghast in 2014 when the very people we are talking about here, the ukrainian people, ran his
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student out, who fled to russia peter wasn't the military that dead ed, there was nobody shooting at him, it was the people that did it. the size and scale of their demonstrations against him ran him out of there. and ever since then, despite free anti-russian government that came into power after putin's stooge was run out, every one of those governments has turned to the west and not to the east. he believes that his presence in eastern ukraine after annexing crimea would actually put so much pressure on the ukraine government that they would look to the east and stop looking to the west. the absolute opposite happened. it stiffened their resolve. and zelenskyy has driven him not scared i think he thought he was a light weight because he came into it as an entertainer and his background, but he's been the toughest of all three anti-russian governments. he has been the most aggressive
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in pursuit of relationships with the united states and europeans. that has frustrated putin significantly. so ukraine is a part of what we all know is his desire, to change the balance of power in europe, to bring to belarus and ukraine under his orbit. i'm absolutely convinced that he will pressure the baltics. of all the states that are aligned in the eastern europe under the umbrella of nato, it is the baltic states that are the most vulnerable. >> that's not good. >> i'm not suggesting he's going to attack them, but he's going to put pressure on them. this isn't going to be immediate. obviously has a major campaign he has running here. let me just say that putin has selected the most ambitious and complicated military option in conducting this campaign.
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he is attacking on four axes in terms of ground assaults. each one requiring their own logistics infrastructure. with the defending ukraine military. it is very complicated. it's ambitious. i think it surprised most of us when we saw this unfolding days ago that this was going to be the most likely option that he selects. he's also showcasing his military like he did back in desert storm. it's not the intent commits the byproduct that i believe he believes his military is very successful in collapsing this regime quickly and installing a friendly government quickly, that that will demonstrate to the world that the professional capability of the russian military. and implied to give him actual strength and doing some other things.
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>> a friendly government. the irony of that. everybody's got a question. emily? >> general, in light of what you just explained about putin selecting the most ambitious option of a campaign, talk to us about reports of underground networks in ukraine that while russia and "outnumbered" might take over these major population centers, it might be quite difficult for them to control given those underground networks. what what that other side look like coming out of ukraine, general? >> i personally believe this is a bit of an overreach for putin. one of the indicators of that in my judgment is what you are talking about, the ukraine people. i cut back to the reality that they already have driven out one of his russian friendly governments once before. so the people clearly are going to stay in ukraine. you're not going to see millions
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and millions of ukrainians running. some of them certainly well, but most of them are going to stay. over time i do believe that this is putin's achilles' heel. the ukrainian people themselves. he will defeat the ukrainian military, he over matches them. in time that will happen. he has air superiority. it's a foregone conclusion. he will not defeat the ukrainian people. so yes, he's going to deal with this for a time to come. >> general keane, i want to rephrase a passage i read in the economist that said now that it's clear on the ukraine war the question is where will he stop? set aside the everyday risk of political calculus and instead he is driven by the dangerous, delusional idea that he has a appointment with history. we count on a nuclear power like putin to be a rational actor in
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terms of calculating risks and benefits. but when you couple the idea that he's lost his cost-benefit analysis, with the language that's coming out about they are nuclear power and don't mess with russia. how concerned are you that he's lost grip with any sense of reality? >> i think there is an element there. he's been in power for 22 years. he believes he's had some success in georgia, obviously, in ukraine with crimea and syria. but it's not all true. i mean the fact is when he went into georgia his military bumbled all over the place. it's well-documented. they had serious problems. they corrected a lot of it. even in eastern ukraine in 2014 beer they wanted to bite off more than they did. in the report they said we rely too much on unconventional forces on hybrid warfare, not as
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much on conventional forces. you obviously conventional forces deployed here massively dealing with this particular operation. yes, he's had it his successes, but he's also had challenges. i believe that -- look, if this administration finally comes through, there is no amount of sanctions that are going to deter boudin dau mike putin from achieving his military objectives here to install a new government. no amount of sanction is going to stop that. but in terms of retribution and punishment and hurting his economy, and also impact of the people, there is already resistance inside of russia about this move. because at the end of the day of the russian people look up inside we are killing ukrainian people? i thought they were our friends? that's going to be the reaction.
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despite putin polluting people's ideas that this be initiated here by the ukrainians. while some people will buy into that, most people in russia are not going to buy into that. they've got their own opinions of the ukrainians themselves. on an international stage we have an opportunity here internationally to really isolate putin. i don't think he calculates that as being a big deal, but it can have some impact on him going forward. particularly the thing he's most sensitive about is what president xi is most upset about about, his own people. if they get really hammered economically, as they are already suffering because of steep inflation, and a poor handling of covid by the regime, his popularity has diminished as
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a result of it. so while militarily this all a favor putin -- there is no doubt about it. he will be successful here. but there are issues facing him as a consequence of his action to be sure. >> i've been listening with fascination to what you been saying because i been hearing voices on the russian side in the ukraine site who apparently believed that putin was at his heart a rational actor. add they are shocked at what they are seeing, that he is willing to kill civilians, that is willing to surround this country and try to choke it off on three sides. i also listened earlier on american newsroom, the former national security advisor saying the bottom line is that putin cannot succeed. we cannot allow putin to succeed in this mission beer now i wonder what we are going to hear from president biden. what he think the most important thing that president biden needs
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to say to all of these countries that you talk about they need to show support and stand together in this really perilous moment? >> well he has to take the gloves off here. it's not just in terms of what sanctions he's going to select, and hopefully they represent the toughest sanctions we could possibly impose, but it's also very important but tone he strikes. this is of historical significance of what has taken place. we've talked about it before. we haven't seen anything quite like this going back to 1938 in czechoslovakia on the and the appeasement that one on then with the brits and the french giving them a pass to do that. which led to the disaster and calamity of world war ii. this is a great situation that's changing the balance of power in europe. it will have repercussions with
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the iranians who are about to get a windfall in sanction relief money in terms of what they are going to do. he's tearing it on privately because this contributes to the narrative, this is an example of the united states in decline, the west is weak. it's an incentive for him and his regime, depending on how this turns out, to take advantage of the united states in the west again. not in the near term. he's going to be enshrined come the fall of this year, but a year or two down the road, he is going to be incentivized if this turns out to be very favorable for putin in the long run. >> did you have a follow-up, martha? >> i'm thinking about the olympics and i'm thinking about president xi and president putin standing next to each other saying they don't want anyone to interfere with what they're doing about a region. if something were watching
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closely with general keane's thought that i. >> i'm also looking at most arabs states, who had largely or refrain from taking a position on this matter. israel and turkey publicly condemned russia's invasion of ukraine. contacted zelenskyy earlier today and purportedly said all parties should exercise restraint and resolved through diplomacy. i mean it's interesting how the rest of the world reacts. but specifically china as you said, martha. coming up we are watching putin's deadly assault on ukraine unfold in real time now. fox news has reporting on the ground, even in kyiv, where you saw our reporter have to do on his gear to protect himself because things are rocking outside that city. russian troops have surrounded the country on three sides, but they are also outside of kyiv now. stay with us.
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>> vladimir putin's forces around ukraine on three sides. russian troops are attacking from the north, south, and eastern border. the cities throughout the entire country are being targeted as putin carved out a path of destruction. let's bring it bill hemmer at the touch screen. walk us through exactly how and where this is unfolding. >> thank you, emily, good to be with you. why don't i just gave you an idea of what we came to work two at 7:30 eastern time. we knew there was a lot of activity around different parts of ukraine. every thing you see in right here is what we were able to report earlier today. let me advance the map one time. this is as of 9:00 a.m. eastern time. the ukraine is plus seven,
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that's about 4:00 in the afternoon. in kyiv, you say the red dots start to fill in here. as of 11:30 eastern time, within the last hour, you see is multiply again. let me go back to 7:30 to give you the contrast. you can see it, many areas in the western part of the country and also around kyiv. i'll explain that to you in a moment. what greg palkot is picking up in london right now is in kyiv there is still heavy fighting. there's an air base outside of town that is now -- heavy fighting is underway. kyiv is a town of 3 million people. it is a key target for putin's army. over here in the east -- you might have seen a lot of this on social media. the russian armory came through in the middle of the night, that's another big city, 1.4 million people. donetsk, population in the
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center. period all destinations for what the russian military is trying to target. if you would see on the map right here, that is the location for the chernobyl nuclear power plant. just south of the border with belarus. heavy fighting reported here as well get the russian military tried to make an incursion through the chernobyl nuclear plant and ukraine military now is standing up to them. how long that lasts, we do not know. there is one report suggesting several bridges are out in that area. all of that it's happening in real time as we speak. also, night has fallen in ukraine in ukraine. >> thank you so much for that. as putin has pursued, a vicious, complicated campaign. what's his perspective on all of that? >> i will take you back to -- remember putin was living in east berlin when everything changed in the communist world and he left in 1989 and headed
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back to then the ussr. i looked at the size of this former country. if you were to take an outline from 1989 and compared to the early like 1982 when they started to break up. you're literally cutting off all of the stands down here. azerbaijan, armenia into ukraine as well. over belarus, over the baltic countries. so much of this area -- sorry, i just want to be a little bit more accurate. all of this area now has been considered to leave the ussr. it's prudent whole thing was that was the worst day of his life. now you look at nato, not every country listed here -- you see the land border here with russia. over here to eastern turkey. well putin has been saying this is my problem. this is my problem. if ukraine joins nato. ask yourself this question, emily, why have all of these
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former eastern bloc european countries gone away from the ussr? and gone away from russia? i'm gone towards nato? the answer is obvious, they don't want to be a part of that system any longer. >> bill, we know as general keane has described there are these for access points as he described them through which putin is invading. what we think could be next? >> just 24 hours ago we were thinking he could come in from belarus, which was where he staged a lot of military equipment over the past two months. we were noting these areas here in the northeast. we knew the build appeared to the east was significant, as well as crimea, which he took eight years ago. what has happened, kayleigh, is putin came in from the north, came in from the northeast, came in from the east, and from the south. his intention is to overthrow this government and take control of ukraine as it stands now.
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>> bill, thank you so much. martha, you know obviously he did -- what i think most people didn't think he was going to do, which was that sort of complete advance from the east, the north, and the south all at one time. there are some reports that the cyberattacks were not as intense as had been imagined. is there any sense of does your looking at the geography here, is there any sense on what the next tier or level of these attacks might look like? >> interesting to talk about the phases that he might have planned here, martha. you talk about a northern route, a central route, what is the next phase? at 7:30 at night here in the ukraine. it's gotten dark. the russian military, martha, is far superior to the ukraine's army. the russian army has a distinct advantage at nighttime. in vg, night vision goggles et cetera. the ukrainian military is not equipped to take that on. i think that if you were to
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point to a few areas around the border, i think you could argue stiff resistance on behalf of the ukrainian army. but how long can they stand up? there is a big debate on that. as far as political leadership goes? how long can this current government stand what is coming zelenskyy's way? >> hey, bill, i'm sharing maps with you today. i don't know how much we can shrink that map so we can see the nato nations around, but it's interesting that through our relationship -- thank you -- were going to be tasked with helping them secure their borders. >> with nato. >> i mean that would bring up our obligation pure look how we've handled our own border. i'm not trying to compare what there be spillover but look, there's people trying to get out of kyiv right now, hundreds of thousands, they have to go somewhere. maybe poland, we have troops
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there, that's where we sent out 3,000. really and truly we are going to have to be up against those borders i would imagine to help them out if russia gets really hungry. >> there's an article in nato that says an attack on one is an attack on all. the united states was defended that way after september 11th. harris, you make a good point about ukrainians coming in from poland but i have set up different camps they are trying to help transit. i would really think about this year, these are the baltics. they are a small country. it is latvia, estonia, lithuania. is this a potential target for putin to maybe go next? 70% of his army has surrounded ukraine. i'm not saying that's going to happen right now, but it's something to add to this debate, where well putin stop? >> bill hemmer, thanks for that as always. coming up, so many questions on how the united states and its allies should respond as russia
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call rosland capital today at 800-630-8900, 800-630-8900. that's 800-630-8900. >> u.s. officials say the u.n. security council is now expected to vote friday on a resolution that would condemn russia with the strongest terms possible for attacking ukraine and demand the immediate withdrawal of all russian forces, knowing the legally binding measure will be vetoed by security council member, russia. that's got a jennifer griffin who joins us live from the pentagon. great to have you with us. it was clear in your earlier reporting that the mission is to decapitate the government and replace it with the more favorable government. the big question has become how close are they to kyiv and how successful have they been in
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debilitating that area? what do we know? >> well, martha, we know they are about 45 minutes outside of that air base that bill is talking about that is very significant. the air assault there, they've inserted russian troops and they can probably begin land and cargo planes full of russian troops there. they are very close to kyiv. and you also have the two tank columns moving in from two directions, from the north towards the belarus border making good time. i've spoken to many military experts who say about putin may be able to militarily take ukraine by force, but it will be a pyrrhic victory for him. he can take the capital, and this was always the estimate, and approximately 48 hours. in the process he has started to bankrupt his country. you'll see the increased sanctions are going to start strangling him. he's putting his country into the same category as iran, north korea.
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he's going to isolate himself. this is not going to be sustainable. the damage he will do in the meantime is going to be significant. we have no information about that airbase 45 minutes outside of kyiv. 20 russian helicopters were part of that air assault. reports are that russia has taken that base and there are 18 russian cargo planes that are en route to that area, just 45 minutes outside of the capital. >> in terms of strengthening the leadership of ukraine, we heard robert o'brien, former national security advisor, talk about an exile government are finding way to support the insurgency. what are we learning about the situation where all of that is concerned? >> it's notable that the ukraine foreign minister who was speaking at the security council, the u.n. security
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council is still outside the country, that is significant. at this time the parliament instituted martial law there. i think that government is going to have to go into hiding because in short order those russian forces come of those russian special forces are going to be moving into kyiv. they have target lists. we have been reporting on that for some days. this was all part of the plan that was laid out to us. u.s. intelligence had intercepted and pieced together putin's plan and they had told the ukrainian government about it. unfortunately nobody wanted to see this happen but it's been unfolding the way it has been expected. >> indeed, jennifer griffin reporting from the pentagon. thank you. so, panel, obviously this is a very tough day for president zelenskyy. general, let me bring you in with the reaction on what jennifer had to say. and perhaps 48 hours before kyiv could potentially fall.
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>> i would not challenge that. but a little bit more on the resolution on what's taking place on the ground. actually ukrainian forces are slowing the advance of the unit coming from the north from belarus. that is why the airport, likely in the planning of this the russians intended to have that airport seized by now. they are starting to bring in probably light forces to be able to deal with the challenges in the city. actually the advance coming from the russian border to kharkiv has also been slowed and is significant resistance being put up by the ukrainians in the eastern sector. the place where the ground advances has enjoyed the most success is the southern approach coming out of crimea. they shoot move 60 or 70 clicks and lint by now. that's one area where they are
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enjoying success. what we will see tonight, as its nightfall obviously in ukraine, is more curious all fires to work against this resistance, that is probably surprising the russian military to some degree. that's why we throughout in the beginning how ambitious this plan is. by the sheer complication of it. the four axes of advance all require their own preassault fires and air support in execution. were also looking at a significant amount of logistics infrastructure. give some credit to the ukraine military. we knew they were toughened they have will. we know what a lack of will looks like when we sell the afghan security forces several months ago just give up. these folks are not giving up. credit to them. the outcome will still be the same though.
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>> sadly. >> the russian military is going to over match them in time. >> thank you very much, general jack keane. coming up, russia's assault on the ukraine could strike in the refugee crisis of immense proportion. the u.s. ambassador to the unc up to to 5 million people could be displaced. stay with us, we'll be right back. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition for strength and energy. woo hoo! ensure, complete balanced nutrition with 27 vitamins and minerals. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ ♪
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briefing. the senate intel chairman came out and said there could be cyberattacks on the united states in the coming days. he said that putin has warned he will strike back against sanctions from western countries. that could mean cyberattacks against nato countries, potentially against america critical infrastructure as well. that's pretty significant. >> this is a given. if president biden and the international community do what they are suggesting they are going to do, and that is significant economic sanctions on putin, and also denying them technology coming out of the united states and europe. you've seen the shopping list commits formidable if they execute all of that. there is no doubt that putin will retaliate. and this will be the first time that we've had an offense of cyber warfare conducted against the united states in conjunction with kinetic operations. not that we are directly
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involved with the kinetic operations, but we are supporting the unit and country on the ground that is involved with that. these dots will be connected for the first time. listen, so people understand, the united states when it comes to offense of cyber, it would make your eyes water what we can do. feel good about it. second, russia has the second greatest capability in the world. china is the most prolific. russia has attacked us in the past. we have capability to counter attack. it's likely we are going to do that. we are exposed, and we have set it time and time again, much of our critical infrastructure is exposed. they will enjoy some success with it. but if president biden unleashes cyber command to conduct offense of cyber against the sources here, will be able to make progress against that. then there's other things that can be done in terms of
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diplomatic action, economic action, et cetera. we have to brace ourselves that russia will conduct cyber warfare against us as a result of the sanction regime we are about to impose. >> that's frightening. harris, i heard you last hour talking with one of your guests about previewing what we need to see from the president. on the issues of sanction specifically. reuters characterized the first round of sanctions, they said it landed with a side rather than the roar. do you think we need to see something significant here at 1:30. >> what major general petard said having a strategy that didn't have as much help as the administration would be looking to apply right now. he said you need to take some steps like in the black say. you need to stop some of the russian's ability to move cargo commit to do commerce. he said that would have crippling effects for them. now there is -- and general keane has talked about this too, there is a downgrade
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for us when you do that. the crude oil we are getting from russia right now, they're going to continue to eject that price. not because they need that money yet, they welcome a right now they are doing it because they can bear they can stick it to us. it went up $205 a barrel today and we are getting 595,000 barrels of crude from russia. they are our third largest supplier of crude. we are going backwards and becoming energy independent. backwards. completely backwards from where we were in the last administration. so how does that involve what we do to them now? well if you cut off -- on the swiss banking system. connell mcshane from the fox business network joins me last hour. he said if you cut off the money and you cut off the ability to make money you're going to choke them. the problem is -- i mean, general, you can speak to this. this dictator has no -- i mean he's going to do what it takes now. it's like he is a completely different human being than what people thought they were dealing
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with. >> -- >> not rational. >> he is considered all of these sanctions. they're not going to deter him from anything that's happening militarily. >> more "outnumbered" in just a moment.
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>> kayleigh: taiwan reported this morning nine chinese aircraft have flown into its zone. general, i want to get a little bit more of your insight into this. you spoke earlier about having a patient approach that they will not necessarily invade taiwanese airspace at this moment but that they would likely use this entire situation as a messaging tool to take advantage of the information to underlined that the united states is losing its ability to influence global operations and this might be a warning as to what the future would look like. again -- --
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>> general keane: changing international order as we know it, largely driven by the influence of the united states and western democracies. that runs against their own national interest and strategic goals. and that is why they are to gather here. certainly, putin exercising this degree of military force as he is doing is going to fit into the narrative very conveniently for president xi and that this is an indication that the united states indeed is a declining power, that has lost its grip on the international order that he used to have. he's going out of his way not to endorse or condemn, but he is on the sidelines, because he recognizes that because it will be significant in terms of the geopolitical imprint on europe, and i believe it will be. he is going to use that going
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forward. nothing certainly will happen with taiwan this year, but i believe the next couple of years are pretty dangerous years in terms of china's aggressiveness in the region. >> emily: general, in terms of the american impact, and much depends on how we respond, right? putin came out and said if we sanction the swiss banking system for international trade, russia might consider that an act of war, so this is very delicate on the part of our decision-makers, and as we head into the next hour where we expect -- these difficult, delicate decisions that our administration -- >> general keane: well, we are at a stage where the consequences -- we can punish and exact retribution for, hold
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him accountable for such a serious violation. that is positive. if we take the gloves off in terms of tone and in terms of specifics with our international partners here, obviously we can have significant impact on him. that is where we should be. we've got to reinforce nato. the defense department right now is only authorized to fight one more. we don't have enough money to fight two simultaneous wars. think about what i just said. we have got to fix our defense budget. the europeans have got to -- >> emily: with what we anticipate, what with crushing sanctions look like? what would be so crushing to putin to alter his calculus?
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>> general keane: i think there is an agreement that we are not going to take these matters -- europeans don't want to go along with that. that is what i have been told. from talking to economic people who understand sanctions and the treasury department, the fact is that we can do significant damage to him by going after his central banking system, taking him out of the finances, not permitting technological imports out of the united states. go after industry sectors. go after him and his cronies. there is a lot that we can do here, and i just hope the administration finally does this and really, one, gives us some degree of specificity and also establish the right tone from the leader of the free world, given the horror that is taking place here. >> harris: the president of the united states and the vice president met with the
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security council and participated in a virtual g7 leadership meeting to talk about all that is going on. we expect to hear from the president on what he calls and unprovoked ms. by russia. more than 90 minutes later than what he was saying. so it will be interesting. what will he say, and will he take questions? keep it here on fox. >> sandra: fox news alert as war breaks out in ukraine after russia launches a full-scale attack, hitting cities and military bases with more than 100 ballistic missiles. large explosions could be heard across the country has russian forces moved in from three science. at least 40 ukrainian soldiers were reportedly killed so far, and a number of casualties is expected to rise. >> john: world leaders are ready

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