much it changed over the last few days. last week we talk to people and never so optimistic that it was never really going to manifest after they heard putin's speech now the ready to fight. >> be safe, hope everyone out there is out of harm's way. in the middle of all of that, that will do it here comes the five. ♪ ♪ >> dana: 5:00 in new york city and this is the five. ♪ ♪ russia is launching an all-out invasion from land, air, and see. that was seen from earlier today. let me ordering air strikes and

setting intakes, and troops. the russian invasion so far has killed nearly 60 people as that number is set to rise. u.s. official said that they're trying to decapitate the ukrainian government what we are saying now is the first strike of many to come. ukrainians are fighting back. reporting live from the ukrainian capital, good morning. >> good afternoon and continues at this hour. we are seeing reports of renewed fighting and clashes in a number of different locations. today just outside the capital of kyiv it was a back-and-forth. they brought an attack eric helicopters at taken a strategic airfield, we are learning this evening according to the ukrainian ministry of defense that that airfield has been recaptured by ukrainian forces, that was not the case in other parts of the country including the north were in the chernobyl region russian troops crossed

over from and was able to take over from ukrainian forces and take over that position. in the eastern part of the country there is still fighting but in different pockets of the regions. there were used as part of this offense of as president putin ordered an invasion over the entire country and in the south, russian fork. if they do indeed launch that larger invasion to try to basically hit the capital and make sure that it doesn't have any support from the other ukrainian troops that are still operating within the country. >> dana: we have some questions for you i know you've been working all day and these very trying conditions and we thank you for being with us on the five. him and kick it jesse watters first.

>> jesse: the vibe right now the capital has got to be like being in the alamo. you know you're gonna be surrounded, and you are outnumbered, what are people thinking? how are they feeling? do people regret not leaving soon enough? take us through it. >> we learned today from the interior minister that more than 10,000 weapons were given out to civilians who have pledged to stay here and fight, there's a real understanding that if these russian forces are able to choke off ukrainian capital as they are suspected to do in the coming days, this will turn into a more urban warfare situation, you will see ukrainian forces in somewhat of a guerrilla war failer because it will have to try to protect the capital. the concern that the ukrainian military has at this hour is what we saw last night and throughout the day today the air raid sirens all not only on the capital of ukraine also the

second-largest city. they can launch more waves of attacks and would ultimately overwhelm the forces that are outside in these different military locations. so if the fight does come into the city, it will look very different, it will be far bloodier and that death toll will certainly rise. >> geraldo: great job, very courageous of you and the rest of our mates over there. wish i could be standing shoulder to shoulder with you. you are experienced enough to get the vibe, are the ukrainians determined to fight this out? are they going to fight to the death, are they really going to put it all out there right now, or will they fold in the face of the overwhelming superiority of russian? >> they are determined to fight it out, we are getting information this hour that's really important when you think about their chances fighting the

russian military. ukraine's armed forces believe that's more than 60 tactical battalions groups have been used in this fight so far, were talking about 30s thousand-60000 troops. so even if they take heavy losses in a more urban environment or some of these reports that we are seeing from the eastern part of ukraine these javelin antitank missiles doing their job and stopping these battalions from getting closer as to the large population centers, it still might not be enough. it might be too little, too late in terms of the weaponry that the ukrainian forces have. they no longer have according to the russians have any air defense systems. we have not seen any air defense in the capital since we have been reporting here. we do hear fighter jets often. still tonight there are strikes taking place in ukrainian officials are worried that as we get closer to 3:00 a.m., local time pass the time that they are

putting out end of the campaign and air campaign versus the city will take place. >> jeanine: first of all our thoughts and prayers are with ukrainians all over the world. i think we have to recognize the pain that this country has been through. given what you said of arming the citizens, do the people in ukraine understand that ultimately it doesn't seem like the calvary is coming in to save them, they are literally at war with an aggressor who is doing this in front of the whole world, he has been mining this up with weeks, and tanks and soldiers. and the truth is that there is no way other than a sanction here there to stop him. is this the end game here? >> it certainly the end game here. president putin doesn't want

president zelenskyy to run this. you want some sort of puppet regime that he'd be able to control, much like what were seeing in belarus as a present there has called russia basically the same country. president putin would like that at a minimum to take place in ukraine. what is interesting though when you talk about the civilians here who have pledged to stay and fight, they understand just how gruesome and violent this war could be. already the death toll is rising and some leakage images that we are seeing from the fighting in the eastern part of the country and even some of the strikes and missile strikes that took place in the much larger population centers is quite gruesome. the ability of the russian military against civilian population be quite bloody. while there is this patriotic push for ukrainians to say we will stay and fight and protect our homeland, it is can be very, very difficult to do so there

are russian tanks in the street, make no mistake these civilians will be talked to and even the soldiers that up and called up from reserve forces say that they will stay and they will fight and that they are willing to die for the country. we have heard that message again, and again. not only here in the capital but also when we were visiting the front lines in the eastern part of ukraine. >> you been covering this wonderfully all week long with the forces in the east when you were fire, if you manage to stay in communication with those forces in the east? you know what the resistance is like, how quickly the russians are moving? what kind of casualties from where you were earlier in the week? >> we understand there are a lot of casualties in the east, the russians use those separatists to move up those live very quickly. and from what we saw out on the front, they were literally in trenches. in terms of the ability of a

russian air strike from a fighter jet to target someone like this in the trench, they have very limited places to go. and it looks like that on the lot of the ukrainian fronts. a member that line of contact has been there since 2015 when there was a peace agreement between the russian separatists in the ukrainians still a bloody conflict nearly 14,000 deaths which began in 2014, we do fear some of those people that we were with over the weekend may be injured or killed given the fact that this offensive has moved so quickly and the russian airpower has been quite significant. were talking about not only fighter jets targeting different locations, cruise missiles, and those ground forces. again the ukrainians are putting up a fight and they have had a number of these battalions that have come across the border using antitank missiles and other military but the reality is is this already a bloody war and this could get far worse in

the coming hours, and days as the russian are expected to launch more waves of attacks. >> dana: it summing that our viewers might be wondering as they watch you and steve covering this conflict. how do you stay safe? >> look, it's built by people who used to be field producers. it's important to get into the field also staying safe in the field so we have a massive team working with us not only here in the capital but we have four teams on the ground in ukraine right now and every thing is recalculated. we have safety plans in place. we execute those plans each and every day. we did last night when this massive invasion started. the real story here is not the journalists, sawdust, as the people of ukraine. as the civilians were picking up arms to defend their country tonight. it's the woman and children who are currently sleeping in the

subway system of the capital city because they're word about air campaigns and is the soldiers on the front line were currently risking their lives for the sovereignty of ukraine. >> dana: you are bringing us their story so well. we will see you in a little bit later tonight. president biden -- the president also condemning latimer put prudent for choosing war instead of diplomacy. >> he is the aggressor. putin chose this war. and now him and his country must bear the consequences. today i'm authorizing very strong sanctions and new limitations of what can be exported to russia. this can impose severe cost on the russian economy, both immediately and over time. we have purposely designed these sanctions to maximize a long-term impact on russia and to minimize the impact of the united states and our allies. and i want to be clear.

united states is not doing this alone. >> dana: he was also grilled about the effectiveness of his previous change sanctions. >> no one expected the sanctions to prevent anything from happening. this is gonna take time. with the show resolved. so he knows what's coming so the people of russia know what he has brought on them. that is what this is all about. >> the purpose of the sanctions is always been and continues to be deterrence. >> dana: a little bit of confusion there. the fact is that there are sanctions are being placed today. as in a bite and says we will see how it looks in a month. >> jesse: that's a long time if you're hiding in a subway. listen, sanctions are not a silver bullet. you can go raise money, you can raise financing in china.

and it boils over a hundred dollars at the barrel. that's financing this military operation. so until the european powers say were not purchasing any more oil or gas, that is the only thing is going going to stop russia. right now they crush the rubles on the stock market in russia. the short term that was a lot of shock and awe. you're right, it's gonna take some time to see how effective this is. i just can't believe that he want to swallow ukraine that fast. i thought that he would come into the east like that. he is doing lightning strike to the capital. surrounded, trying to negotiate some sort of surrender or just hang the president. who knows? if he occupies it he's going to have to go town by town city by city and pacify the countryside. nothing that's gonna go very well. especially since they hate the russians we are gonna be sending

them a lot of the military equipment and no probably be sending them night vision equipment because it doesn't look like the russians confined at night. they went in during the day. if you've night vision capabilities you usually strike at night that's what the americans do. thus the move. they don't have that. with the put a lot of night vision into that country and bleed the russians try and that bloody altercation let's see how it goes. they're moving in. as the southern port city its commercial agricultural capital if they control that at the black sea level, they control every import and export coming in and out of the country. that's when they really win. >> dana: this is when president biden was characterizing how putin, how people will react to putin. >> he will be a pariah on the international stage. any nation the aggression versus ukraine be stained by

association. in the history his choice to make it totally unjustifiable war on ukraine love left russia weaker and the rest the world stronger. >> dana: do you think he cares about how he is perceived around the world? >> geraldo: are novick cares about his popularity but the one thing that i am troubled by is this pushing him china close together. because now russia and china they are to be a world onset themselves. i do know much about economics, the sanctions hit i was told that there will be very severe, but i noticed that the american stock market after tanking being down six, 700 points after president biden spoke the stock market rebounded. i can only surmise that the brilliant minds on wall street think the sanctions ain't that

bad. they can live with them. the rocket get hurt. as i can be hurt that bad. so i don't trust the sanctions to do anything. i think use the words the alamo in describing ukrainian capital. this is ukraine's moment in history. this is where ukraine's history begins. do the ukrainian stand and fight? are they going to be the 300. are they going to sacrifice themselves and really let their country bleed and let the world know that there ukrainian blood is in every barrel of russian oil, are they gonna do that? i want that so much, i can't begin to tell you that if the ukrainians fill even though there's not an american on the ground. you know there isn't an american fighter jet in the air or ship at sea. this will be the beginning of their story, the ukrainian story. the true independence of

ukraine. if they fight, putin will lose. >> dana: you mention the people of ukraine a couple of times were able to get some video people talk about what it's like to be there with their hearing what they're feeling. >> everyone they are calling us. it's hopeful. >> we are going to poland and the will probably go elsewhere. to stay on the bombing comes down a little bit. >> were family happy to be together now. we will have a victory i believe. >> jeanine: what we've just seen in those interviews are the

people who are being sacrificed because of folks on the international stage are taken over a country with little if any pushback from the rest the world. one of the things i want to add to what jesse was saying i have heard that the russians are at a distinct advantage in terms of their ability to wage war at night. more so than the ukrainians but the russians and is much as you want them stand there and fight, these people don't have the capabilities of the hundred and 90 militaries to fight back. this is some kind of theoretical scenarios these are real life people who are going to die. and in the end what frustrates me -- what we did is we created a dependence on russian oil, europe and germany, germany

because they are dependent on russian oil and gas. we close on our pipelines so we are dependent so what happens? you're right geraldo about china and russia because they can sell oil to china. some of the question is what sanctions do we have that will make a difference? i don't know? but what i do know is you cannot tried to convince or a thug like this to stop. he is on his way, he's on his way to continue to establish the ussr as it was years ago, that's his mission. >> dana: attached to the russian empire. which is much larger. >> you described this as ukraine's moment in history. vladimir putin sees it as russia's moment in history. either to reestablish the boundaries of the soviet union because he sees ukraine as his cuban missile crisis. he can have them at their doorstep. existential to him.

thus the limited effectiveness of sanctions. but what matters to me as an american is what happens next. you brought this up and that is china. vladimir putin arrived at this moment because he saw it as his opportunity for whatever reason. he saw the world leader should be said now my time to be this moment in history and a was a moment today in the press conference which i thought was the most significant moment in joe biden's press conference. this the moment we shall be listening to. >> there is a complete rupture. they continue on this path that they are on. terms of the cold war, that depends. you have asked mature majority of the rest the world in total opposition of what he is doing from asia, south america, europe, to around the world. it is can be a cold day for russia. >> that was significant but not

a significant at this moment. this is ten seconds of press conference, this the moment we shall listen to. >> are you urging china to help isolate russia? >> i'm not prepared to comment at that at the moment. >> not prepared to comment. be prepared because science china will sense it's very soon. >> dana: more to come as russia wages full-scale war. will he stop with ukraine? are all one other country be next? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [upbeat music playing] ♪♪ welcome to home sweet weathertech home.

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>> jesse: not letting up. the russians are moving towards decapitating ukraine. for more let's go to bill. >> good afternoon to you, i want to see a little bit of the map behind me. as of what's happening with major attacks between ukrainian military and the russian military. there's a big battle appear at chernobyl. the russians have won that battle. the battle here at northwest. that is still in dispute.

looks like the ukrainians pushback on that. this is on the ukrainian side of the border now. we are getting reports of fierce ukrainian resistance there and some russian casualties as a result. now jesse on the other side of the border so this is in russia. this is satellite image from today. february 24th from the military installation. what you can see here the field hospital you've tense here off to the left, you've military trucks on the other side off to the right. you've attack helicopters, many of them appear as well. this is a staging area for the russian military. and this satellite image you can see 18 attack helicopters, little hard to show up on screen there but i can circle them here, and there, here and there. as well as over here. and they are, and on they go.

this is clearly a staging area for the russian military one more map to show you right now. and this is in this part of the country. where is the russian military going and how are they going at ukraine? 22 a lot of analysts, they describe the border here. this is the friendly russian neighbor to the east. remember, belarus allowed military installations on behalf of the russian military, many of them over the last 60 days in the use those overnight how to use them, what they do? described as the move to the north west and the northeast of kyiv. they have not gone a lot of reporting. that was area taken over in 2014. crimea was the other area and thus the third area of attack now from the south and to the north and that appears to be the

initial of the russian military. it's after midnight now in kyiv we'll see what comes of this very long night. jesse, back to you. >> jesse: as russia comes closer to a total and brutal takedown of ukraine. president joe biden warning putin he may not stop there. >> you heard the speech he made, almost an hour long about why he was going to ukraine. he has much larger ambitions in ukraine. he wants to infect reestablish the former soviet union. that's what this is about. and i think that his ambitions are completely contrary to the place for the rest the world has arrived. >> jesse: let's talk to who's at the pentagon. you're the president talk about the ambition, what are you hearing from defense departments, sources of what be the next logical step would be. say hakes to consolidate its

control, he has the country in his hand. does he move north into poland? totally north into the baltics south into romania? what could possibly be the next step? >> it's interesting jesse, u.s. intelligence and russian intelligence has been keeping an eye on a little town, an important town in belarus which the hundred 20 miles from the polish border. there are satellite images showing that vladimir putin has placed quite a large amount of forces in that area, now those forces could, there be a quick drive due south in ukraine. but they also are mighty close to poland inside belarus which is become a battle state of vladimir putin. all eyes are certainly on the baltics, poland, romania. more the reasons why you hear a lot of concern about concern about lithuania and poland in particular.

as you go back to vladimir putin's speech on monday which also was referenced in his july 12 writings about why ukraine is not a separate country from russia which he sent out to his armed forces. he mentions in this twisted history lesson that he tried to give the world that he mentioned poland and lithuania and the fact that they became catholic but a fact they were really part of the russian orthodox church. they link to ukraine. that certainly has nato and nato allies concerned. nato is gonna be meeting tomorrow in the north atlantic council has been called. all 30 member states will be meeting and it will be very interesting to see if they decide to call up the 40,000 strong nato response force which would fall under the american supreme allied commander in europe. some of those 7,000 troops that president biden announced tonight will be going to germany may be a part of that if, in fact, it is agreed to to enact

that. >> geraldo: what in the world are they waiting for to activate that force of 40,000? what could be worse than this? >> it's really interesting geraldo and i think if the understand the bind that they find themselves in. and phyllis and what he said last night the warning to nato that thinly veiled warning in which he really was threatening it sounded like nuclear weapons. the messaging that he has been doing ten nato where there was nuclear exercises that he oversaw last weekend, that was designed to send a signal reminding people that he has a nuclear power, do not come and interfere with what he has going on in ukraine after the invasion starts. that message of one of the things that nato is trying to calibrate is on the one hand they want to send sources to reassure their eastern flank of the poland and the baltics, but they also don't want to overplay that hand and play into

vladimir putin's warped narrative that would give him that an excuse to think that the united states and nato was part of this conflict, see you have a situation where nato has to move very carefully. this is a chess game, you cannot start sending weapons as much as i've heard today and of course all of our hearts go out to ukrainian armed forces and their pleas for more weaponry. once u.s. and nato starts after the invasion began start sending in weaponry they become a party to the conflict and they get justifications for vladimir putin if he decides to send his military forces beyond ukraine and so that is what is being sort of debated and calibrated right now and will be debated in that north atlantic council meeting tomorrow. >> jeanine: this might just be a follow up on last question. my question is this, if the nato

response team is called upon for the nato response forces is called upon, their only mission, their only location site can be an nato country. they can do nothing to help the people of ukraine. >> exactly judge, this 40,000 forces they would stay within nato article five, but just a member how very close those allied members are. romania just across the border, not far from the ukraine, there on the ukraine border. poland, we are now eyeball to eyeball, we have been this close to russian forces since i remember back in kosovo back in 1997 when russian forces hopscotch over the 82nd air force because they were mad that they gonna do xhosa vote. , we are in uncharted territory and what you are seeing the pentagon and nato try to do is not to escalate anything, they

want to send a firm response but they don't want to get on an escalatory ladder. >> jesse: think is so much. someone filling a white house briefing right now. >> he's been up or give some brief comments of the top and take a few questions and they will do some briefing after that for anyone who's a leave feel free to go. i'll turn it over. >> think it's good to see you all over again this is a brief and we did not want to give. i lets start by prayers to the entire world, with the people of ukraine today as they suffer an unjustified and premeditated attack by the russian military forces. president joe biden has said from the start of this crisis that putin chooses to invade the cost to rush it will be and profound. to which financial system, to its economy, to its technology base, and to its strategic

position in a world is a world is not witnessed putin has made his choice, he rejected diplomacy and chose war. and today the president has announced our response, because of putin's choices in his flagrant violation of international law. and his utter disregard to the principles that underpin peace and security across the world, we will now insure his decision is or membered is a strategic failure. they we impose an unprecedented package of financial sanctions and export restrictions in lockstep with her allies and partners. i will isolate russia from its financial system, shut down its access to cutting-edge technology, and undercut putin is ability to modernize his economy. the me walk you through a few specifics ib habit happy to take questions. on financial sanctions, we would impose the most severe sanctions ever levied on russia.

and he still continued with the invasion. today we are following through. we will impose sanctions on russia's two largest financial institutions. which together hold more than half of the russian banking system's assets. over $750 billion in total. for vt beat we will all of its assets will forbid anyone from doing business with the bank. we will sever its access to the u.s. financial system. we will also freeze the assets of and prohibit any business dealings with additional russian banks with combined assets of over $70 billion. we will also restrict u.s. investors from providing debt and equity financing for 13 of the most critical russian state owned enterprises which combined have estimated assets during $1.5 trillion. and finally we will also impose sanctions on the executives at

these nato institutions as well as additional russian elites who are complacent in his hypocrisy. and their family members. those who have shared in the kremlin's corrupt games store their wealth on yachts and luxury condos and fancy cars, will now share and the pain of these measures. in terms of financial impact as i said, is the most impactful and significant sanctions the u.s. has ever taken. a financial sanctions are just one part of our response. we are also in feeling today an expansive unprecedented set of export restrictions developed historically close coordination with the european union, australia, japan, canada, new zealand, united kingdom, and taiwan. these new measures include sweeping restrictions on russian military users to impair his military capabilities i will deny experts across russia sensitive cutting-edge technology, primarily targeting

russia's defense space and maritime centers. in total, the united states and our partners will effectively be cutting off more than half of all high-tech imports going into russia, this includes curbing russia's access to advanced semiconductors and other foundational technologies that russia needs to diversify and modernize its economy. working in tandem these financial sanctions and the export controls will undercut his aspirations to project power on the world stage. those impacts intensified dramatically just today. the russian stock market plunged over 30% at one point. before being halted by local regulators. russia's currency of the ruble weakened to its weakest value on record against the dollar. for the central bank intervened. on the price the market is stretching the russian government to borrow is now above 15%. these impacts over time will translate into higher inflation,

higher interest rates, lower purchasing power, lower investment, lower productive, lower growth and lowers every standards and russia. to be clear, this is not the outcome we wanted. it's both a tragedy for the people of ukraine, and a very raw deal for the russian people, but putin's choice is to make sure that we do what we said and make sure that this is a strategic failure. find and let me just say a few words about the impact of russia's choices on the u.s. we've intentionally scoped art sanctions to deliver severe impact on the russian economy while minimizing the cost of u.s. as well as her allies and partners. to be clear, are sanctions are not designed to cause any disruption to the current flow of energy for much of the world, we have carved out energy payments on a time bound basis to allow for an orderly transition of these flows away from sanction institutions and we have provided other licenses to provide for an orderly line down to business.

let me to stop there and take your questions. >> absent a real quick question you said it would take some time before it affects the economy inflation. what's the timetable of us? >> these are cost to build over time and as i mentioned i think last friday any leader whether your small democrat has to pay attention to the living standards of your country. and already we are seeing the effects of these measures in the signaling that we provide over the last three months. before the sanctions were implement it. inflation in russia was 8.7%. the government's borrowing costs have spiked above 10%. elastomers 50% of its value and today those costs escalated dramatically. this can be up to president hooton to decide how .to our fortification of nato

eastern flanks and due to the renewed energy and determination by the west to stand up for our values and events are principles. you're in it for the long haul. >> we understand that these costs will change over time. >> what the actions you've not yet chosen specifically and sanction president putin, what are the triggers at this point are there actions that president putin still might take that might trigger the sanctions. >> i understand there's a lot of

sanctioning president putin and a lot of other measures that could be mentioned, but let me just say this. i think today was a demonstration that we mean what we say. we delivered on what we said we would do in terms of imposing cost. so we say all options are on the table and that we are prepared to continue to ratchet costs higher it would be a doubt to resolve. in the most limit step back and say when we consider would sanctions to apply, or not cowboys and cowgirls pressing a button to impose costs. we follow a set of principles. we want the sanctions to be impactful enough to demonstrate our resolve to show that we have the capacity to deliver overwhelming cost to russia. number two we want them to be responsible, to avoid even the perception of targeting the average russian civilian and of course unwanted spillovers back to the u.s. in a global economy. number three want to stay chlorinated. so we calibrate our sanctions to maximize the chance that we move

in lockstep with her allies and partners. number four, they should be flexible so we can exploit or de-escalate depending on people in the ground. as i mentioned before they had to be sustainable. the sanctions work long-term. that will guide of design. >> in light of the sanctions that were announced against individual and entities in belarus, can you tell us whether there are sanctions against any other countries they are seriously considered at the moment? what is alliant that a nation would need to cross in this conflict for them to be on the receiving end of sanctions from the u.s.? >> it was about what we saw yesterday. i'm nothing else for you in terms of the country being targeted. >> yes, yes. >> thank you. >> i wanted to ask about, more

than a dozen areas. agriculture, energy. you just said that the importance is to limit the impact on americans. i will see if you can say is there a percentage that you can share of the number of exemptions that make up the overall transactions, like the general licenses. how many, what percentage of the transactions are under those licenses? >> no fax for the details on what exactly is being exempted and the percentage of business that will be included. >> was at a third, half? >> dana: was so security advisor briefing the press there about sanctions one of the things he said that they are keeping sanctions and a reserve. it and i can hit him of the town, they want to start with may be a two, see how things go. open it up to a three if he goes

into poland. they want to be able to keep that flexibility, do you think that that is a good idea you think we should hit the russians harder out of the gate? >> if it is what you just described the were saving a few bullets for the next step into a nato country at hope that the response to be a little bit more than sanctions at that point. there is a bright line, it is the nato line. and as we looked earlier. it appears shockingly that answers your question jesse he is putting troops on the border of poland. so once we get to the baltic state, once we get the pole and, once we get to romania, we are treaty bound at this point to respond more heavily than with sanctions. it's what we of the for? were those bullets? i don't know. i would imagine that we should usher in. >> jesse: he could execute the

president. i think he wants to do swift, i'll tell you is. what is that mean? >> dana: at the back in time when i first learned what swift was. i know idea was about putin at the time but is trying to invade georgia and they got pushed back out of there. it's a financial transactions go through and things usually go smooth grade but you can track it. and you can stop it. so that's one of the ways that you talked about stopping terrorist financing that would be. everyone needs to be swift. joe biden can't unilaterally do that. your appearance are part of this and as i understand this italy, and germany are quite reluctant. it didn't want to go that far. so we don't want to go that far, you're just allowing putin to go, his next far.

we give him credit husband just sent me a note. russians are now going to have to 15% interest rates. as kamala harris said, we are trying to deter. no one thought osuna deter anything what we've been doing for the past three months? >> geraldo: see you take your atm card and use it in italy, or belgium. >> jesse: what happens if putin surrounds the capital and haskin total control? and he a couple of weeks and many gauges the pain threshold of the sanctions and he says you know what? don't we feel it that much, we've got plenty of money, were to move now. that's not look like a huge strategic miscalculation on the

joe biden a administration. >> geraldo: i agree with your implied harder line. i think we could've had a harder line. we talk about warped narratives, the most warped narrative is that putin has sold the russian people that he is dean not defying ukraine the only country that has a jewish leader outside of israel. he is a punk, craig knight was in afghanistan back in 1980. big old russian army rolling into afghanistan. they are gonna take over, they're in a south asia. guess what? 1980, their economy collapses and soviet union collapses off the back of the arm with the little stinger missiles.

this can be squared as long as they. ukraine president is such a valuable symbol right now. we have do whatever we can or whatever it is a private security whatever it is, we have to keep president zelenskyy alive and in country. putin cannot win if the ukraine president is alive and well and fighting. >> jeanine: i disagree with that. because he is already said that he is going to take the leaders who resist him and put them on trial. he believes imposing people in front of the world. what he did in 2014.

the sanctions work? belorussia on the pipeline so he is with them so far. there's so much that we have done that is given putin the belief that he can get away with it. and in addition to that we have no sanction against him personally. it's like rocking a touch him. in the international banking system, how is he gonna sell oil be can't get the money from the international banking system? okay there has to be a way to convince italy and there's people who are dying as we speak. and stop talk about time. because he is in a position to take in the next 24-48 hours. this long-term save the sanctions and putin does not care about is people, he doesn't care about whether they like him or love him. or hate him. >> jesse: much more of

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. >> judge jeanine: the department of homeland security active power grid and u.s. banks. president biden warning russia of a heavy price to pay if one

happens. >> if russia pursues cyberattacks against our companies or our infrastructure, we are prepared to respond for months we have been work with private sector to harden our defenses and respond to russian cyberattacks as well. >> judge jeanine: okay. let me just say that our power grid is a balkanized power grid and will, i will go to you which means there are a bunch of local power companies in charge of the power grid. we are very vulnerable. russia has attacked us multiple times before. and i don't know that they have gotten any kind of reaction from us. but their playbook is do a cyberattack and then did you go into the military attack. how do you harden our defenses so that our grid is protected.

>> will: why would we hold sanctions back in case there is a cyberattack then maybe we can go after swift and other personal economic sanctions but, judge, i'm fascinated by this and here is why. we have never in our lifetime in history had geopolitical brinkmanship with the inclusion of cyberattack. in other words there is concept of proportional response. you invade here, i invade there. you use this level of wen, i use this level of weapon. that's never included cyberattack until this moment. and if russia launches cyberattacks on the united states that becomes kinetic really quickly down planes and cause loss of life. how do we then respond? i think cyber becomes this battleground where this whole thing can escalate and spiral out of control very quickly. >> judge jeanine: what is he saying, geraldo, is very true it can escalate and be very quick because whatever power they have

we have equal power. whatever power we have they have equal power. >> geraldo: i was thinking about putin talking about cavalierly about nuclear weapons. i never thought i would see it i never thought i would see this from my life. i'm from the silent generation born during world war ii. there hasn't been a land war of this scope in europe since '80 some years. nato, this 30 nations in nato, i don't know what they do. i don't know what they're for. i have been covering war my whole career and i still don't know nato to respond be as effective way other than add onto the u.s. i'm worried about cyber. i hate to leave people on this note with deep apprehension and the problem is will alludes to it in terms of talks about escalation. we don't know what the hell is going to happen. we don't know where this is going. crazy general gets ahold of a missile or something. this is very, very serious time.

time for a sober reflection in american history and there is no expert or general going to tell you. >> judge jeanine: dana, one of the things that will said they can down planes and shut down hospitals it can have enormous impact on us. russia is home to some of the most famous hackers in the world. how do we -- how do we put ourselves in a situation where we can -- >> dana: let me try to give some positive news on this front. yes, they have nefarious hackers, notorious ones as well. we have very good hacking capability. and we just don't do the kind of things that they do, but we can push back. we can preemptively do that i understand the president was given some options today to consider something like that. that's something the united states usually does. there might be things going on behind the scenes that we don't know. i saw today that one of the kremlin's abilities to communicate within the kremlin, it was down, i wonder why? so i don't think -- we are not powerless here. now, what's the game that your

girls play that video game that they like? >> jesse: row blocks. >> dana: if it gets cut off and america's preteen girls aren't able to play their games. they are going to be mad and we are going to fight even harder make sure that our girls are taken care of. >> geraldo: can't go without row blocks. >> jesse: the president gave vlad 15 things he is not allowed to hack, judge. steer clear of those 15. dana mentioned he had an entree of options to go on offense. the kremlin one of the things with our cyberattack we can shut a train down in its track in russia. we could knock the lights off in moscow. look what happened with the north koreans hacked sony. i think we shut their internet off for a whole month in north korea. always messing around with the iranians we hacked every single gas station in that damn country. there are things that we can do. there is a thing we won't do but

we will do it if we have to. >> judge jeanine: all right. we have 20 seconds, will. go ahead. >> will: that's a lot of pressure. put the entire conflict into 20 seconds, will. no i appreciate being here tonight. this is a toughest moment for american people because we have to answer one question. what serves the american interest? >> judge jeanine: that's right. >> will: what serves united states of america? jean general that's it for us. stay with fox news for continuing coverage of the invasion of ukraine. bret baier is next. >> bret: geopolitical solutions in 20 seconds, will. thanks, judge. ♪ [siren] >> five different times heard air raid sirens. they said they have never heard air raid sirens in 50 years. [explosion]