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>> jesse: more scenes of carnage in ukraine as russian forces inched closer to the capital of kyiv. sounding moments ago as gun fires and explosions are being cured throughout the day. the key city could fall by this weekend. the ukrainians are putting up a fight. they are facing more resistance than thought. ukrainian citizens are taking up arms and are encouraged to make molotov cocktails. president zelenskyy says that he is target number one of the russians is out in the streets and posting this defiant video warning putin that they will defend their independence. they are reporting live from the ukrainian capital of kyiv. >> you can hear the sirens behind me. it is currently under attack, ukrainian forces tell us that there are russian troops inside the city limits at this hour, we have heard explosions in the

distance all evening. and those air raid sirens a just hard right they are going off throughout the night. most of the civilian population in bomb shelters or underground. we spoke to civilians who are terrified, they've heard the siren before. over the past 36 hours and it's by a russian air campaign. they are trying to fight back, we spoke with one member who told us they got a weapon from a local police station they were handing them out like candy. calling up civilians to pick up arms and help the army to push back those russian troops. jesse. >> jesse: you said that russians initially entered the city, are they going and

shooting? or are they going in as morris' saboteurs to soften things up for the larger invasion? >> we have heard reports that president of ukraine spoke about this and warned citizens today against speaking with people who look like they be suspicious and remember that there is a martial law curfew and play right now and it's just after midnight here in kyiv except for police officers and emergency personnel. the thing to also remember is at the civilian population here is quite worried about this moving forward so they are preparing for the worst and many of them are willing to take up arms to fight back, jesse. >> jesse: judge? >> jeanine: we heard from general, each of them talked about the fact that putin hasn't destroyed the airfield are

taking on the infrastructure. and yet there is another school of thought and i'm curious to what you think and what people are thinking on the ground that he is specifically not targeting the infrastructure so that he can control it once he gets in. he wants to be able to have an infrastructure. >> he is looking to replace the government here. he wants it ukraine be a public country much like belarus is for the russian government in moscow. it wouldn't make sense for him to destroy a lot of the infrastructure across the city, some people did worry early on that that would be the case, a lot of the western intelligence analysis was that we would target big government buildings in the capital. we have not seen that so far not to say that it will not happen, but he is looking to replace the government and be in control of this capital city, but this country as a whole so in other parts of ukraine we saw a similar events unfolding were russian troops came in on the

ground, there was an air campaign as part of it in cities like, but we did not see that massive shock and awe campaign that many were worried about going into this and it started just a day and a half to go back to you. >> jeanine: the thinking that the russians are coming in as quickly or succeeding as quickly as they, as people think they should. it may really just be based on the fact that they are trying to preserve as much as they can of the infrastructure while still going in and taking over the major cities there. >> i think it's also based on the fact that the ukrainians army put up such a fight early on, they have been taking significant losses and the casualty numbers that we have are not up-to-date. it's very difficult to get accurate numbers from either side in this conflict. they have been successful in some parts the country with those javelin antitank missiles.

they've also been successful in shooting down aircraft using air defense systems. the russians have faced fierce resistance and there is a firm understanding that if they try to make it further into the capital city again, they will take fire not only from the army but also from civilians who have picked up weapons. i think moving forward that's the thing to look at here. how this battlefield were change if they do enter kyiv they've been fighting a lot on the outskirts of cities and they've been targeting military installations on the air. if they get into this urban warfare situation you will say things that look a lot like guerrilla warfare they are surprise attacks and ambushes on these troops, that will look very different and it will be quite bloody and it will consume this city if that does take place. ukrainian forces on the outskirts of the capital are hoping that they are able to hold off the russian troops before it even gets there. >> that expectation of guerrilla warfare is accompanied by your reports of them handing out

guns, break in the age limits apparently 14-year-olds are carrying ak-47s. people are hunkering down some of the subway systems i'm sure many in their homes what is that look like? is everyone carrying a rifle around? are they preparing to engage in a firefight? >> we drove through the streets of kyiv to speak with civilians and there weren't many out on the street, many were underground where we talk to them in the metro system, but when we drove by government buildings he saw lee's forces and even officials who wouldn't normally be guarding a building in the downtown area outside holding weapons, they were bracing for this to take place and they still are at this hour. this could be hours away. the white house, washington, officials in the united states believe that kyiv will fall in a matter of days, it's a real possibility. we saw was a population today that was scared, but also others

who were preparing, we spoke with one man and he came up to us speaking in english and he said that he was an english teacher. i'm to give you his words here because they were quite jarring to gives you a sense of how intense the situation is. he said to me, i'm not very well-versed in weapons, but i will use my kitchen knife and i will slaughter those russian pigs if they entered the city. i'm paraphrasing here but those were his words calling the russians pigs and saying that he would kill them with a knife. that is how intense things are and how much of a resistance that we do expect to see here in the capital of kyiv if these russian forces enter. they want the russians out of this country, they see this invasion is a clear violation of ukrainian sovereignty and civilians and soldiers alike say that they will do everything they can to prevent it from going any further. >> if we only had partners like this in afghanistan but real quickly, do you have a sense of there are any other weaponry coming into ukraine, any other

country providing that? not just for individuals individual citizens before the ukrainian army? >> before this offensive by the russians took place we saw planes landing every day, sums from the united states, some from lithuania, the weapons were coming from nato members and allies of the ukrainians delivering those antitank missiles. i was really the big request that the ukrainian had, understanding that this would be an offensive that required many, many russian tanks. but in recent days there's been conversations taking place here in the capital about how more weapons could get into the country? does nothing flying in right now because the airspace is totally closed down. there is a possibility to move weapons and over the borders, but we saw the secretary general basically say that nato will commit antiaircraft batteries to this country, but that does raise the big question, how are they going to get them here and

can they get them here in time? there are still russian air campaigns taking place against this country as we speak. and quite frankly, ukraine is running out of time, they don't have a month to wake. yesterday president joe biden put these sanctions to try to force him to pull his forces out of a sovereign country. basically them a wait one month to see if they are going to do any good. at the ukrainians don't have a month. don't have 30 days, they don't have 30 minutes, this offensive is currently taking place in the capital city and people are dying. >> quick follow-up, do we have a sense of the casualties on the russian side? what coverage, one extensive coverage are ukrainians getting of what is happening on the ground there may be what is happening on the ground in russia and we are saying now that they may be some pushback amongst russian citizens against vladimir putin. >> the ukrainians are aware of the antiwar protests are taking

place in russia, more than 54 cities yesterday had demonstrators who many were detained, more than 1700 demonstrators were being taken into custody because they were trying to tell their government not to go to war. not do what they are doing right now. so they see that solidarity, and they are very aware of what is happening in this country. one thing to note for the entire world and also for the ukrainian people who are watching this unfold, this is war. it is so graphic and bloody taking place outside of the city and on the outskirts of the capital. the images that you see online cannot be shown on television because they are just too gory and graphic, it shows that a war is taking place very much like previous land wars in europe. bodies in the streets, tanks, artillery being targeted from the air. it is quite difficult for the ukrainian people to just fully

grasp what is happening, but they understand that there people are at risk. they understand that if they do not fight back, many of them will be slaughtered. that is why there's so much pressure right now at the international community to do something. if they don't act soon enough, it may already be too late, more people in this country will die as a result of this russian offense of. >> dana: it is taken so long to get these missiles into ukraine and other sort of a panic to get them more so that they can have some better antiaircraft defense, there are reports that a couple of days ago president joe biden approved the shipments through, that would be an effective weapon for the ukraine's to have against russian air power in the past. have you heard anything about that, is there any indication that they could get the men through poland perhaps?

>> based on the satellite images released by max are technology indicating that the russians have moved more attack helicopters within 20 miles of the ukrainian border, just yesterday they used similar helicopters in an effort to take over an airfield about 40 minutes from where we are right now. they really just on the airfield and what residents in that area described as locus, targeting the military institution because it really is an institution. is it that it is the one air base near this capital city that could give the russians a strategic advantage in launching a larger offensive against the ukrainian capital. it would give them the ability to land heavy aircraft with more soldiers, and more clement that they can use in a ground offensive to take over the ukrainian capital, i do want to get back to that one other question about the casualty numbers. i've been personally avoiding the numbers and reporting them

on air simple because i cannot independently verify them. there is clearly a lot of gray area, and even propaganda going on. that is very common during conflict. both sides want to talk about the numbers of people with a have killed, i think it's very important that we are careful with the numbers because they can often be misconstrued during conflict, back to you. >> jesse: thank you so much, my concern after hearing that report is that the united states and nato did not have enough weapons and supplies prepositioned to flood the zone immediately to the ukrainians, to the citizens to give them a little boost out of the gate. because it seems like it might be a little too late at this point, do you share that concern? >> yes i do even though we do have the reports of rifles being handed out to the citizens as well. look, i think the story right now in this very moment as a result of the ukrainian people.

you talked about the messages that they are getting, the media that they are getting. truly they know what happened on snake island. it's a literal replication of the alamo in those forces taking on the russian navy, or the ghost of kyiv comedies ace pilots took on a be five russian fighters on their own. the soldier who sacrificed his life to go to bridge come the ukrainian soldier who died in that operation. these have to be inspirational when i hear him say that is what it uses kitchen knife it's inspirational and it's also terrifying of where this can probably will go on the streets of kyiv. >> jesse: i got the sense that it is a slaughter in the capital. the russians do eventually overrun the whole country, the ukrainians are never going to forget the rest. they will never forgive us, they wanted more, they want more help, they wanted more sanctions

they wanted a no-fly zone right now. and if that doesn't happen, how terrible will that be? >> dana: i think that there is a history of presidents and leaders who will have this on our conscience to be quite honest, we encouraged ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons, we said that we would have their back, that was part of that whole arrangement if you go back to president obama who sent them meals when they were trying to overthrow russian puppet regime that was in control of the country they did that anyway. it's an extraordinary legacy, there is a reason why this country is always in the news because it is so symbolic for vladimir putin, he wants it back. he is humiliated by the fact that he has seen his own guy kicked out. who has been poisoned by the kgb agent orange, you look at this young president right?

it's a crazy story right? he was on tv, he played a principal and he becomes president of the country. and now he is president of the country, so i think this was as lightweight feeling about what he might be like a look at this guy. i mean he is a portrait of courage. he is extraordinary, he is standing on the street and he says you know what i'm not running. i'm not taking off of my money in a helicopter, i'm staying in my country that i love i'm asking, begging really for support from nato from support from the united states and it's like oh are going to rush stuff and at the last didn't know this was coming? he is really an incredible story i hope to god that he can hang on, who knows what can happen for him he called himself and being target number one. we know that flat reboot and would love to crush the sky. >> jesse: absolutely. >> dana: i give him all the credit in the world he is very flattering.

>> jesse: he vows to defend the country let's see. >> we are all here, our soldiers are here, the citizens are here and we are here. we defend our independence, that's how it will go. >> jesse: i think it was the afghanistan president who flew out of the country the minute things got a little hot. when the taliban was taken over, this guy is staying. >> it is the purpose and the resistance and the ownership of the ukrainian feel about their land and their future. they are going to live or die on that mantle. i mentioned as we all know we literally had 10% of this metal and afghanistan with those troops that we spent as american citizens, tens of billions of dollars training there might of had a different outcome. a look at this a little differently. there is no doubt that we can go back and look at everybody from reagan, to george w. bush, to

obama, trump, clinton and others to see how we may have behaved differently. we probably should have advanced more weapons as we see things now. remember how we done that, we would've on this even more. i'm 51 i served in congress, in my lifetime in america i've never seen a more compelling case for america to send troops. i'm not saying we should, but in iraq we never had this kind of evidence to say that we should send troops to defend. this guys trying to undo the architecture that we have spent trillions of dollars building up from world war ii and throughout the cold war. he has made clear that he wants to reassemble everything that he had before 1994. number three, which we don't send troops there, i think we should send our nato partners in the event that he does take ukraine in the event that he does encroach across another border. but what scares me the most somewhat were all saying, the kind of resistance that these

people are showing. this what freedom loving people do when someone tries to take their freedom away, it is our idea that putin is really going. he's afraid of this country because the things they may join nato and join the e.u. he's afraid of this country because he can't believe that they want to come running back to him. so in so many ways we said celebrate a freedom. as are things we should've done quite differently? there's note question. hope they find ways to give them weapons because their courage, you don't see things like this and those of us we need to be watching this and learn lessons from these people. >> jesse: when you get a taste of freedom and they try to take it away from you two decades later. you're going to fight to the death. >> jeanine: we are watching history repeat itself. what we are seeing today is president zelenskyy to put it

right on the table when he said quote, the world's most powerful powerful forces are watching from afar. and putin's ego must be so inflated because he's got the western world the bowed down he as a political thug goes in to attack a sovereign nation. the west is, like, maybe we'll sanction this, mabel will sanction that. and the truth is this is in a movie, it looks like a movie but these are real people were dying. these are real people who have been begging us as we watch them line up the troops, the tanks, the blood, the temporary hospitals, and every day we saw what they were getting ready to do. and i get that he didn't want to panic his people, i get that he didn't tell them it's time to get out, but right now this is about power it's not about religion, it's not about people

who hate each other, it's about a thug who wants the russian empire back. and you know what the idea that the united states is today, by 500,000 barrels of oil from this thug allowing him to make money that allows him then to fight this war is disgusting. and i'm and add one more thing i have keep going, hold on. the bottom line is that joe biden doesn't want to disrupt the russian energy export. and we could have done it the keystone pipeline, this is all a set up. and he started about how he doesn't want the americans to suffer. in the end, the americans are suffering and the ukrainians are suffering. >> jesse: everyone is suffering. good conversation everybody, more to come on the russian invasion of ukraine, resident joe biden naming new sanctions that target vladimir putin directly.

>> and foreign minister members of the russian national security team, the president strong view

and strong principal from the beginning of this conflict and even before i should say has been to take actions and steps in alignment with our european partners and that is certainly evident of that. >> announce a new sanctions that will target him personally. president joe biden is getting in trouble for sanctions were not were meant to deter president vitamin put in. >> no one expected this to prevent anything from happening. that's gonna take time. we official resolve so that he knows what's coming, so that the people of russian know what he's brought onto them. that's what this is all about. >> being spared from sanctions which is vladimir putin's energy. they have been reluctant to even target it. >> the u.s. is a consumer, so with the u.s. consider cutting off oil and gas purchases from russia?

>> what we are doing across the board is making sure that we inflict maximum pain on russia for president vladimir putin has done while minimizing the pain for us and we are in full coordination with other countries both consumers and producers alike on energy prices and gasoline. >> to be clear our sanctions are not design to cause any disruption to the current flow of energy from russia to the world. >> i think of the pickup right will be left off, this is what you're talking about before the commercial break. while we still brine russian oil? >> jeanine: we are imposing the maximum pain on russia i want to believe that our american leaders, i want to believe everything they say, i come from a truth and justice background that really is offensive to me. because we are not imposing the maximum pain and how many hours, 20 hours after the e.u. and the u.k. decided to go after and

putin personally that all working to do that too? it is the maximum pain for americans because russia now is selling us oil, we are paying top dollar for that oil went in the end, we have our own energy independent country. on day one, the keystone pipeline was stopped or the ability to continue with it. i have to ask myself one question, is the joe biden administration so beholding to aoc a progressive left and the clean energy that they are willing to subjugate the lives of human beings dying in ukraine and allow a thug to make money and give him money for a progressive green energy agenda? >> are they afraid of aoc and they may lurk in the background? or are they worried about gas

prices spiking? we have to keep buying the oil because we didn't allow the keystone pipeline and if we don't allow russian oil, gas prices go to $5 a gallon and joe biden's poll numbers tank even further. >> dana: we had energy independence which is a beautiful thing. it gives you the ability to be much freer on a geopolitical stage right? fuel is at the basis of world war ii as well. when you go back and you look at the free throw energy in the world, this is what it all comes down to. the minute that this president decided to block the keystone pipeline, that extension pipeline you start to see gas prices go up. so oil has been on a steady trajectory and when you compare what you would get, you get 800,000 barrels from keystone, we get 500,000 barrels from russia, you could block that out without one move. what i really think, this part is so declining as support with moderates and independent

voters. if he was going to turn his back on the fossil fuels now crowd, he could give a speech and it's a okay you know what, i've talked about sacrifice here is to do. where can i reopen keystone, working to make a temporary measure during this crisis that will allow us to have more access to fuel to keep prices steady in the united states, we are going to allow the jewelers to turn back on come over to go back and do more drilling in places like oklahoma, and west texas. we have places that are been shut down to keep prices steady right in the united states. we are not going to rely on russia for a few anymore boris johnson wants to get the u.k. away from dependency on russian fuel. you can generate such a tremendous campaign around this idea of getting free again from russia and it doesn't anyone right? this is a no-brainer to me to say i'm going to change course here and i think people would respect it and if you like it would respond to it and i think

it would do wonders for his poll numbers. >> they didn't stop in the wake of crimea, they didn't stop vladimir putin. will these sanctions here do anything to stop putin? >> jesse: he has sanctioned proof. and he's doing the same thing you did with covid, he overpromise any under delivered. we were so scared of these sanctions, we thought that he was in our crawl up into a little corner and start sucking his thumb. and then all of a sudden he invades we drop the sanctions in western media thought that they were to fall out into the street with a blanket and atm card that didn't work what they think would happen? [laughs] the russian stock markets soared today i think 33% are summing like that. it's over, were getting back to business. that is the problem, sanctions are just sanctions.

you have to meet force with force and you're right, he doesn't want rock the global energy market, doesn't want to do it, because of your appearance don't want to do it. and he doesn't want to do it for domestic political reasons because it's already running scared, so is not cannot touch that yet. that is really the only thing that you can do. the power company invades her neighbor what you gonna do? are you to be super tough on the power company? are you really cannot risk the lights getting turned off the power unit shut off, probably not. so is playing it safe for now. these are european sanctions. this the europeans problem, they are their neighbors so do most business with putin they're gonna take the lead on the sanctions and joe biden's can have their back. but until the germans and the italians start getting as tough as the british, and the spanish, and the french, you're not gonna get massive sanctions, that's gonna cripple the country and even then i don't think that latimer even cares.

>> dana: a circle of friends us and make sure he gets what he needs. >> there's been a breaking news just moments ago. just saying that the russian military will storm kyiv tonight. we can expect a lot of that reporting which was pretty pessimistic to go down tonight. >> jeanine: it is tonight there right? >> we are in the middle of the night tonight. we'll pay attention of that it just a moment. i want to pick up on someone that you brought up in the first segment and thus the russian people the sanctions, i had a conversation with dan crenshaw congressman this morning so that vladimir putin's weak points is his legacy his own people determine his legacy those protests in the street of moscow and st. petersburg are those not the place where we should be creating this opposition of course force meets force wherever he wants to take force,

but the real achilles' heel is probably on the street of moscow. >> it needs to come organically and it is. i think the real reason that gas prices have gone up over the last and went down, and backup is covid. we found ourselves recovering from there. two, the enemy is putin, let's be clear. joe biden we can disagree with them, and we can even dislike him i've been to agree with the more that i disagree i just don't like him personally. putin of the problem here. even before this were buying oil from russia. so this is not like a new phenomenon after he has decided to be the evil person he is. >> that is come up in the conversation i just want to make sure where i am conversation. i said at the other day on the show, there is no security and there is no safety in the a peta meant of evil. regardless of whoever the president is. president donald trump's words are being transited in russia to the russian people and vladimir putin is using it i'm

think the president meant this but he is using an away say look, we are receiving support from some people in the united states, that is wrong. we are today is where your question goes. at the fact of the russian people are resisting the scum of the fact ukrainian people are that will be giving their lives to defend their land, don't get me wrong, they need weapons, i agreed the big mistake we deal with not advancing weapons, but i don't care how many weapons you advance the people in those countries don't want to fight and stand up for their land, their family, and their future, there is very little we can do. >> to bring us full circle i think the reason that we're having discussion about the role of president joe biden in this crisis is because it appears over the last year or so and following policies from the likes of aoc, we have traded away every bit of leverage to vladimir putin to arrive at this moment, we traded away energy independence. we allowed to shorten the burden of nato to help them pick up

their own weight in this conflict, we allowed ourselves to be in this moment energy dependence on other people through european weakness to arrive at this moment were now we are stuck with lame prudent and the only thing we have left right now is sanctions. we all know the weakness of sanctions. >> what i will say, i definitely think that was to move back to trying to find her way to energy independence and even help in the world and perhaps the french will now depend more nuclear, germany depends more in russia, we need to reallocate and get to that, the only paint point i make is this. putin is a problem here. 2007 at the munich conference of we've all quoted he says i want nothing more, my legacy and be reassembling the old soviet empire and that is what he's doing. >> we might not give leverage to someone like putin, someone with those evil intentions. up next, russian forces are closing in on kyiv,

president zelenskyy says that they will most likely storm in tonight. more on that next. ♪ ♪

speed to russian forces storm the capital of kyiv tonight.

a half-hour after midnight. they are trying to stand their ground to the forces he is speaking to the people of ukraine in the state of his people and perhaps more than that is being decided now. jennifer, we talked a little bit earlier about president zelenskyy and how courageous he has been, it feels like this adjustment going on for a long time it's only been a couple of days. but your assessment of what he is saying tonight and is that our understanding as well? >> it certainly coincides with what i've been hearing from senior u.s. defense officials, they were concerned that the capital could be taken within 48 hours, and we do know that russian forces are on the edge of the capital, the problem is martha what happens when they get into the capital? this is a big tanks, they can be easily attacked with the javelin missiles that have been provided to the ukrainian forces.

i think what's so surprising to u.s. defense officials is how the you korean will to fight, they are fighting for their homeland has really allowed them to slow down the russian military, that doesn't mean that this is over as you said. this is day two, this may feel like this been going on for weeks, this only day number two and from what it's been explained to me that you can expect the next three weeks of fighting particularly in the east to be very vicious, the russian military, one of the briefings i was in today suggested that they really have actually been slow down particularly around the second largest city and they have been really surprised by the resistance that they've gotten there. again, it's also notable that the russians don't control the airspace and that is why you're not seeing russian warplanes, you're not seeing the big fifth generational plants, through their because the ukrainian antimissile units, anti-units on

the ground they are carrying the surface-to-air missiles that hundreds of them of mobile units may been set up, they are camouflaged on a been taking down some of those russian aircraft so russia doesn't really have air superiority may also can't fight at night, you wonder why around 5:00 a.m., 6:00 a.m. every day local time is when they start moving, they have been slow down because is military it may be a big bear for military, it may be a superpower, but they can't fight at night and that is significant. >> dana: president zelenskyy so that the forces would storm the country tonight not specifically kyiv recess where he is still present in the capital there. just to mention that although we have been reporting our day know you have two that they are just within miles, it wouldn't be surprising. one quick question before we go around the table the sort of

surprising things that he has been saying. he busily said that he would negotiate with ukraine leadership comes leadership would have to agree to completely disarm and d, this phrase that he has been using he happens to be a jewish president of ukraine. and also talked about how the countries under the hold of drug addicts. >> if you look at the words of vladimir putin from recent days and weeks, those who have dealt with him, foreign leaders whether it's president of france, they say that he has changed. the psychological profiling going on right now vladimir putin, something is definitely off. but the language he is using the talking about, it's really i think he thinks that he is mobilizing his domestic

population, but you see in 1800 people we had to arrest because of protests have been so large in moscow and st. petersburg. a lot of his messaging hasn't worked because remember, the united states and the west declassified a lot of intelligence and the kind of laid out his plan and playbook and that has really thrown him off quite a bit, certainly to hear him over now have u.s. sanctions up against them personally. talking about, it's really offensive when you think of the history of ukraine and how they fought the and the president also being jewish as well. >> earlier today i heard you say that no matter what we see tonight, no matter what we see within the borders of ukraine it will not trigger a nato response to matter how ugly it may get. clearly though if there's desperation is martha points out, he invades her breaches the

borders of a natal country, that can trigger article five. i'm curious about the in between, have you gotten the sense of the messy in between, a cyber attack, may be one of these weapons transports come in from poland. would any of these situations from what you've learned from your sources trigger the united states and our nato allies into a war? >> i think it's very complicated and i think the reason why people are so concerned across the nato alliance is what if russia unleashes a massive cyber attack and it spills over into europe, into an article five nation, or somehow as was seen in the past when they unleash that cyber malware, it does end up let's say it spills over the pole in an article five nations. so you have cyber issues, but you also have russia and you don't know vladimir putin's mind-set right now. russia has a battalion tactical

group, just a couple miles away from the polish border that's a significant place in belarus. it has six historic significance and is miles from the polish border. for some reason if those forces somehow became adventurous and threatened poland, we enter a whole new ball game, but that's why you're seeing very careful, and calibrated response in terms of positioning of troops to the baltics. but you are not seeing massive troop movements because they don't want to be in a war with russia, they don't want to give putin a nuclear armed autocrat an excuse to go to nato. their backs are little bit up against the wall, who knows what he will do, right now nobody expects that this large russian military with her combined arms are not going to eventually

squeak through most of ukraine. the losses will be significant for the russian military, it is a conscript military they don't have the motivation, some leads on troops they are reports that they don't know why they are there fighting. morale is not great. but you can expect fierce fighting for about half the ukrainian military in the eastern part of the country and that's wasting this double envelopment we have the tank units from the north and the area. you'll start to start seeing them move south and then. you'll start seeing forces from the south and some of those amphibious forces that landed, they are start moving north, they are going to meet up and then they're going to move to the east and there's can be very vicious fighting with the ukrainian military because half the ukrainian armed forces are in that area.

>> jesse: if they surround the capital and then let anybody end, they let anybody out, they basically have zelenskyy hostage. can i make some sort of demands for negotiation and say listen. we are surrounding you, let's talk make some concessions or else were going in and it's gonna get awful. it is not how it's really gonna play out? or do you think this just goes straight for his neck. >> i think it's anyone's guess of jesse. right now we are in a period of unknowns because once you, once battles begins once you have contact with the enemy the enemy gets a vote. so let's say that their ambushes waiting run every corner for tank that comes into the city losses, maybe they will encircle the city. they are certainly in a tribe. they are going to want to control the airspace they have been able to do that. they are going to be unable to

insert and they probably have already inserted special forces, we have heard in advance that they had targeted, they probably have been tracking zelenskyy and other leaders you saw former president very bravely out in the streets with ak-47 today. they have left, they have special forces, remember he has put all of his forces him all five brigades down into this ukraine area. the special forges, some of them have been lying in wait inside kyiv and they certainly are going to go after president zelenskyy, he has target number one i've no reason to doubt that. >> first of all thank you, your reporting is and amazing. the mood at the pentagon had a change, give us a sense, number two is there a sense that putin

want us to go faster? it seems to be slow either because of the ukrainian defense is playing in our favor or not? >> of course he wanted us to go faster based on the intelligence reports. but will it start going faster in coming days, it's to date early to tell. the mood here is a sense of they didn't want to be right. they laid out, the pretty much of it a very clear picture of how this would go. they have been warning that putin was gonna try and take kyiv, and take the whole country. they're not surprised by anything that they are seeing, there is a sense of resignation, that sense of horror and sadness in the 21st century that we are in the situation. >> jeanine: we keep hearing about how putin is different and initially i thought that that was even worth thinking about.

but what is the feeling there. is putin going to lead to members the military there? is he just looking to get in control the city? or is he looking to occupy, because i believe what he says. but does it seem like the infrastructure is there, a military infrastructure to occupy? >> he doesn't have enough forces to occupy the country right now. he has about a hundred and 50,000 forces. we have been told today that only about one-third of those forces are inside. it's let's say 50,000 russian forces inside ukraine tonight. he still has a lot more power than he can unleash those are fighting forces. those aren't occupation forces. these are people who are going to run a country, and on the government. i think he thinks that he thought that probably he could overthrow zelenskyy and put in a puppet, i think it's gonna be shocked that the street protest and how is not to be able to control the ukrainians.

the ukrainians are fighting and i think that he thought that they might rollover. so he is going to have to call up reserves, this can be a domestic problem for vladimir putin. what you are witnessing and the isolation in terms of turning them into a basically kim jong un with the sanctions that they're putting in place, personal sanctions against him. he is gonna become more, and more isolated, has problems are to be domestic within russia as well. >> dana: thank you so much. we will be watching you all throughout the evening and throughout the days to come thank you from the pentagon. it is interesting just a note china and the way that they are watching all of this. because obviously china has an economy twice the size of china, a military that is roughly that much bigger as well. their statement about taiwan, saying this is not a ukraine situation. this is not a country that's next to us, this is a one china

policy. everyone understands that taiwan is part of that's what china says. enemies are with you on that. there is no doubt that if putin is successful in ukraine, he will probably think it's okay for him to make his move as well. >> i think that the audience, i would've asked that follow-up with jennifer about how are they think of this in terms of china as well? we have to be successful here it is becoming increasingly clear there are also dependent the people. ukraine and the people of russia. success to me, success would be to stopping putin. we are to upend him in russia, that would be an enormous success. if we are able to maintain the government in ukraine, zelenskyy and his team that would be a success. on a human level i don't want anymore death. i wanted more casualties.

i think if we think about it in the context what will cause them pause. what will give them a green light is if we lose here. if nato is fractured here. and to the point, many of the points raised around the table, what lessons do we take from this? do we restart the keystone pipeline? do our politics become not more harmonious but i'll be able to understand the political kneecap we dug in the u.s. politics today needs to be shelled. we need to focus on these types of challenges. china, i'm struck by two things. at the russian arma army can't find at night. unbelievable. when you thing about it. the judges question which i thought it was as good as anyone here. they are fighting forces they are not occupation forces. as much as we may want to say things about the u.s. military, we have all of these capacities. and one thing i think that the russian people are looking at if

we sent troops to our nato pals because of article five is invoked. you will have the greatest, the best, the most technologically adequate putting force on the ground if that has to happen. i hope it doesn't but if it has to happen the world saying it should be put on notice including china. >> jeanine: that if he put together that fighting force that is the best in the world is to listen. china was her own military force, has its own money to invading taiwan. the bottom line is we are not going to get the ball. so good for us, the issue is money, the only reason that vladimir putin is in ukraine is because he has the money to pay the forces, we talked about it the fight there. the only thing that will stop

latimer in this kind of action is money. and apparently it's not gonna happen, nato is not gonna happen unless they go into the baltic states. in the end, china is different ball game. they watched us in afghanistan, that's all they needed to see. >> dana: russia and china want to reorganize the world. jesse, he watches this goes okay if leonard. you've a different world. >> jesse: and the chinese just pulled up a massive amount of lead from the russians. the indians actually are setting up a payment system so they can circumvent the sanctions so that is not good. >> i get it but i like the russians because i need that money too in the right on the

doorstep. >> jesse: he has a huge decision to make in the next 48 hours. they are going into the city. there can see how much damage they can do and then they are going to try to negotiate with him. i don't think the russians are to go in there and slit his throat, i think you're gonna say listen we have you surrounded, were in control the city you are can assign a bunch of documents and you were to hand over the country and save your life and save her people's lives. he has to decide my gonna die a martyr for the just cause or my gonna sign my name right here and let him take much the whole country and i you have 45 seconds left to sum up the entire. [laughs] [laughs] >> is on what's next and what's next for the american i'm concerned about when we are triggered into a war with a nuclear power in russia. and i am concerned that the president of the united states presented china with plans which

they didn't . >> bret: good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. russian troops are attempting to take control of ukraine's capital. ukraine's president saying tonight russian forces will storm kyiv. he also says his nation and russia are discussing a time and place for possible talks. nato meantime is activating its response force for the first time in the alliance's history. that means thousands of troops backed by air and naval support will be placed near russia and ukraine president biden participated in nato virtual summit. they are preparing for millions of peopl