interest to have a real blood battle. >> shannon: i think they know that in a midterm year. harry and john, thank you very much. thank you, gentlemen. >> not on a newsday like this. >> shannon: that's it from washington. special coverage continues. ♪ ♪ >> breaking, russian >> our reporters on the ground say that gunfire is coming from all directions and all parts of kyiv but for now they are hearing mostly small arms fire. not the big weapons that so many people in the ukraine fear the russians would use or will use in the coming days. but the ukrainians are fighting back grabbing guns wherever they can find them and heading to the

front lines wherever the front lines happened to be. and the resistance appears to be paying off. both european intelligence say that it is much slower than expectance and russian troops are not only fighting every step of the way, they are dying in very large numbers. hello and thank you for joining us, i'm trace gallagher to keeping our coverage on the ukraine is 10:00 p.m. in los angeles 1:00 in new york, 8:00 saturday morning in kyiv where the sun is up in the war has moved into day 3. many believe that by now russia would have controlled not just kyiv but a wide swath of ukrainian territory. that, so far, is not the case but everyone from the ukrainian president to the ukrainian residence have vowed to stay end and fight. while, for now, they stand alone, the world appears to be standing behind them.

take a look, this is the empire state building lit up in blue and yellow as the world and the u.s. come together to show solidarity for the people of ukraine. for the very latest let's go live to fox news correspondence team harrigan, he, again, is on the ground for us in kyiv. steve, good morning to you. >> hey, trace. sounds like some fighting about 2 miles behind me, what do you think that was? it is a small arms fire here near the city center of kyiv. it's been about two hours before we had heard that, but there was a gun battle going off within a few hundred yards of this position. you can see yellow and red traces going back and forth. we just heard more that's been pretty quiet for the past two hours in between. the air raid sirens of just going off. ukraine is still in control of

this capital and the president of the ukraine is still here, he has been out on the streets showing himself to the people in posting those messages that he and his cabinet are still here. here is president's is in ski. >> we are all here. our soldiers are here, the citizens are here, and we are here. we defend our independence and that's how it will go. >> he has offered to negotiate with russia, he says ukrainians are getting killed all of the country, let's talk. put responded by calling ukraine's leaders neo-nazis and drug addicts so looks like the prospects for any kind of talk are very dim at the moment. but three days in ukraine's president is here, they still control the capital and major population centers. you've got to assume it's going slower than the russian commands would like at this point, but i

think this is a long way from over. this is a fraction of the russian forces. some gun battle on the inside of kyiv come we see here some miles away the worst could be ahead. back to you. >> when he talked with these gun battles very quickly i know you're busy and need to get back inside des moines talk about these battles, how long do they, as a rule, last? several minutes, they briefed, the lasting for a few minutes and then is it silent for several hours? >> that's pretty much how it is, it's just a couple of minutes. you see shots fired in multiple directions. you've got to assume, you know, russian advanced forces or special forces taking up positions with a lower footprint, the lesser footprint them the heart artillery that could follow. i think the fact it's going slower for the russians could mean bad things. it could mean we could see more intensive shelling, heavier firing, up use of big weapons to get their goals. >> that is what many are afraid

of, stay safe. let's go to mike tobin our senior correspondent he is in lviv ukraine, mike. >> and trace the sun is coming up for a third time over lviv since this pecan and ukraine is still a nation. russians do not have air superiority, the command control of ukrainian army is still intact. the fact is that the russians are encountering much a greater resistance than anticipated and that is coming from a u.s. source and the will of ukrainian people to fight is still very much intact. here in lviv for a third day people will awaken to the air right air raid sirens wailing in the sky. when that happens you don't really see a mass panic on the street. you see some people quicken their step and get into some sort of a shelter, but there are other people who when they hear the air raid sirens and you see them walking around they simply go about their business. the fighting really has been most intense where you heard steve harrigan the russian

armies attending to tighten its news in the capital city of kyiv. the fighting is manifesting largely in small arms fire's street to street some artillery. further east from there the sound of cortese, in the area of corrective the fighting has been intense there as well is the russian army came in three different tracks, one from the north, one from the south, and the other from the border with russia. since the the city resulting in fire there, always hear people sheltering us away there from the air strikes and artillery barrage is. here in lviv to the far west of the country very near the polish border. we've heard about the people piling up with the polish border attempting to get out. there is also a rush on the border south of here and that is the border with romania. one group of people that cannot get out or is not being allowed

to leave our fighting age men. they are being encouraged to stay in the ukraine, putting up a weapon where they can get it, and resist the advancing russian army. and resist, they are indeed doing. one bit of news that has been coming from the south of kiev is two russian il 76 pair troop transport aircraft's, kind of the usc five galaxy equivalent have been shot down. there 30 miles from each other. especially with an insertion point of the south of kiev and those two transport planes went down with paratroopers on board so that will show as big losses for the russian army, trace. >> indeed it is, mike backed he was a news breaks, mike, let's go to rich edson he is standing by life at the pentagon. ridge from one of the latest where you are? >> what we are looking at here are two separate story lines in one hand you have nato and the u.s. bolstering their forces

with the nato countries. that is not ukraine. and any of this attempt with the united states to try to help the ukraine in its fight against russia here in this russian invasions. part of that is that they are not just a couple of hours ago that the white house is directing the state department by $350 million in military aid to ukraine. so they are moving on that front. the other front on all of this bolstering that presence within nato countries. a security alliance for the first time in its history has mobilizes response force, it's a responsive group up to 40,000 groups. earlier this week the pentagon announced 37 u.s. troops are deploying to europe. those americans are expected to join this nato response force. nato says it has 100 more planes on high alert including the f-35, the united states just sent it to the baltics. 120 chips deployed to protect to europe including three strike

carrier cruise. now american apache helicopter gunships are also arriving in latvia and poland. president biden del mike byington has a no americans will fight in the ukraine. they say they are no moves to put the nato troops in the ukraine. >> there is no space for miscalculation or misunderstanding. we will do what it takes to protect and defend every ally. and every inch of nato territory. >> u.s. intelligence suggests russian forces have faced stiff resistance that no population centers have to been taken must far. russia has yet to achieve air superiority. ukraine's air and missile defense team abilities are still working, though degraded, and it's warplanes are still operational. still, officials note ukraine is overmatched here. >> again, without going into a blow-by-blow, it is not apparent

to us that the russians over the last 24 hours have been able to execute their plans as they deemed they would. >> at diplomatic angle all this to you once counsel a few hours ago held a meeting considering a draft resolution that would have called on russia to remove its troops, stop the fighting, leave ukraine, russia is a permanent member of the security council with veto authority so obviously did not pass when russia vetoed this measure. china and all of this abstain from that vote. back to you, trace. >> richard are we to understand when the u.s. allocated this money and funds for military equipment and so forth it will go to poland and then somehow get from poland into ukraine to join the fighting is that a fair assessment? >> elate how that was to get into all of that up there a couple of nato countries import of ukraine, bulgaria, poland as

you mentioned, trace, specifics of getting the in in a very dynamic war zone, that will be difficult. >> it will be tricky, rich edson life force of the pentagon, rich, thank you. u.s. defense official now says russia's ongoing invasion of ukraine is going much slower than expected. did they underestimate ukraine's resistance? with us now is retired u.s. army lieutenant colonel davis. colonel davis you've been listening along with us here we know u.s. defense officials we have intelligence from the european community now telling us, look, russia has not made the kind of gains they were hoping for and facing a lot more resistance than the anticipated pair and what he may of all that? >> the first thing is i would caution we shouldn't get too optimistic about the so far because when you take a look at some of the composite maps and number of forces have put together, russia has taken significant portions of three

different sections of ukraine. they may be going slower, but they are still as kirby said there a second ago, they are still making definitive progress. they are making toward kyiv, toward the south and the northeast, they are. and then there's also some interesting reports i found literally less than an hour ago that confirm the second when i have seen that the majority of russia's forces that they had positioned around there has still not left. they are still there so it's not like all of their forces came flooding into the country. what that tells me is that the initial phase, the initial wave, it is supposed to set the conditions and with that of the conditions set and they make a breach then they will pour these other units into there. so we could see some very large escapes and fast movements later on. >> i think you make a very good point, colonel. i don't like anyone i said this is not a mismatch as john kirby of the pentagon said, this is clearly a mismatch but when you check off the list and go down and see that ukrainian command

and control is still intact, population centers have so far been taken. russia has not knocked out ukrainian air and missile defenses, so it gives -- you wonder if the russians are somewhat concerned about this or if they had planned this, or -- because it is certainly a surprise some of the intelligence officials in britain and in the united states. >> we have this saying in the army no combat plan survives first contact. all kinds of things happened that are different than the play and you have to flex off of that. the expectation is that things are not going well because this is the first time the most of these russian troops have actually been in combat. they have been all these exercises where everything can go according to a script and now they're having to learn on the fly. you know, people are dying and things are getting grown up and they have to flex off of that, replace people on the march,

cetera. but i continue to say, though, the overall composite of the forces of ukraine and of russia still is heavily weighted toward russia. even though this delays of them, the unresolved i don't see anything that will change the end result that we've been talking about for three days now. >> i think michael conklin is on the same page as you. he says following you, quoting, i think they are assessing in the first 48 hours with a sense the ukrainian were assistances. where they plan to reinforce units and where the axis of the attack is doing to decide where allocate their forces. is that how you see it? >> that is exactly where i see it. they have a number of accidents down there and they're probing access wherever they are setting the stage and the penetration forces that they call them just waiting. as soon as they get conditions set and break through you can

see some real surrounding of some of the populations. but i think they are first phase is going to be to degrade kiev's ability, there army's ability to fight as a functioning force. >> colonel i have to go but i want you to give me, if you can, ten seconds on the amphibious assault, the landing west of mirror poll. we're talking about may be a thousand moving and peer what is the hope there? >> that is actually kind of a small number. so it could be we are trying to make a beach hit they are. so we can drain away some of the ukraine forces so they have to go respond and they are not able to go elsewhere. it could just be a faint. >> colonel davis i was good having one, sir. >> thanks, trace. >> the united nations secure to counsel floating on a solution condemning russia 11 countries voted yes. it not surprisingly russia voted no while china, india, and the united ever it's abstained.

the yuan reacted to the votes. watch. >> we are here today because of russia's unprovoked, unjustified, unconscionable war on the ukraine. russia chose to violate ukraine's sovereignty, to violate international law, to violate the u.n. charter. people are fleeing. to shelter in subway stations, pollutants decision to plunge them into a war with and with their neighbor. >> joining us now is cybersecurity expert and former state department senior advisor morgan wright. morgan and so is qaddafi on. i was looking at the game sheets today here in the russian cyber facts, there are some and not as many as expected. they appear not to be going after ukrainian websites and so forth. what is the hope in your opinion? are they trying to knock out the flow of information? trying to knock out social media?

what is the game for them? >> their game is to cause disruption, to cause chaos, to cause panic. to want a populace that is in disarray so that it takes more forces to manage them, more forces to move them around. the other thing they are doing is if you can't communicate you can't operate. is the whole command-and-control piece of this. of one the biggest pieces is if there is no ability for the government communicate to their people, than the people to know what is going on. they don't know if we still have a government, are we still empower? so a lot of this while it is technical has a huge psychological aspect to this and that is what they are hoping to exploit. we've seen it happen at the colonial pipeline, with kofi cockburn, how people react to perceived things and that's what they're hoping to get here to where it causes chaos a. >> i want your opinion, as well, on this u.s. council action. u.s., russian of course vetoed which is a disaster. china abstained. i mean, china appears to come

and some say, well, you know, china's plan close to the vest. china appears to have chosen sides what do you think? >> this is kind of the equivalent of vision then just left vladimir putin hanging. don't leave me hanging, bro. i have to say you have to go back to soviet doctrine in the soviet doctrine back when it was kgb, they had three main adversaries which is the u.s., nato, and china. they have redefined now after a kinder, gentler, now it's called scr in the gru, guess what? they have three main adversaries yeah, three men adversaries. guess what question marks and once. u.s., nato, and china. china is still an adversary as far as russia is concerned. so, i think this is -- maybe the bromance between vladimir ng vision pang isn't as big as i think it is. >> may be but they've abstained the security council they wonder why it is allowed to play

good cop/bad cop. >> you know, china's watching what russia is doing and watching how they are handling this and what kind of template is being laid out because you know what, guess what, the follow-up is that china and taiwan come will be revisiting a similar scenario china in select taiwan question we be going to the security council, will rush abstained if this happens? while russia and china, it's like they have to collaborate, they might be adversaries sometimes but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. and i think they're looking at it that way. but, you know, at the end of the day this is such a big chessboard and sony pieces moving, it's very hard to game things out correctly. anyone he thinks they know what is going on in what's happening is too full of themselves. >> yeah, you talk about a chess board here. some of these pieces will be the baltic states. your talk about latvia, lithuania, you know, estonia,

are they looking into this? are they eventual targets in your estimation? >> absolutely. let me tell you why, estonia -- russia attacked estonia basely taken the entire country off-line estonia says never again. nato cyber of excellence is located in estonia. a lot of tactics and tools ukraine is being lent and helping with at least on the server side are coming out of estonia. but i will also tell you when this vote happens, because now i guess it goes to general assembly they've still vote on it. this becomes an enemies list so to speak. it will give us a good sense of where the world is on this. how many people supported but it also increase, creates an enemies list. russia is targeting companies not just inside ukraine but companies anywhere in the world that are supporting ukraine. so any nexus like that becomes a target for vladimir. >> yeah. i think that is a good assessment. morgan wright, great to see you. >> you bet, trace. >> when we come back, the crowd of ukrainian supporters grows

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>> hundreds of demonstrators are showing their support for the ukraine by the white house they are demanding biden has tougher sanctions on russia sank so far he has not done enough. they warmed boot and would not of the ukraine unless harsher measures are taken. with us now brett burrow who served as director of local engagement on the obama white house pride. i want to read this is one of the protester outside the white house. he says quoting here "i came here today to ask our president to impose better sanctions on russia because the sanctions he announced to be honest are not really enough" i wonder if instead of the sanctions may beat his time, brett, what tell me what you think. is a time that the united states immediately stop buying oil and gasoline from russia? >> well i think we should stop buying the whole range of products from russia. in fact, i think would be a

great idea if we simply cut off exports from russia to the united states. now, obviously the folks will say, yeah, what about the price of the pump? but the problem, trace, is that if we let putin continue on this will create more instability and it will create more cost. so that's why i think a strong stance on economic sanctions from the long run is going to save the american people greater economic hardship. >> yeah, today press secretary jen psaki was asked about diplomacy is the is diplomacy still in play and she peer dumb i. >> i would say a moment where a leader is beginning and in the middle of invading a sovereign country is not a moment where diplomacy feels appropriate. it does not mean we have ruled out diplomacy forever. obviously there president remains open to engaging at a leader to leader level but this is not the moment.

>> i mean, give us a moment is it not in a situation like this a back channel always open? >> diplomacy is always an option. i said this before the invasion even when the guns are sounding, diplomacy is still an option. in fact, it will be the way that one way or another this conflict ends. i think, there are reports this morning president putin, president zelenskyy and talks about a potential meeting but everything here is we need to take advantage of this moment to change the terms of negotiation. putin had the advantage on his terms before the invasion. it is time we set some of our own. >> you know we talk about we are the same thing the possibility of dialogue between russia and the ukraine. and then after they say that come or before they say that, we

have the russian president coming out and calling zelenskyy in the political leaders drug addicts and gangsters. it doesn't seem like a very good basis for future talks. >> it doesn't, but look. it you will always have that grandstanding, you will always have that bravado especially from vladimir putin. but i have to say, trace, i mean the numbers they are talking about of russian casualties are getting pretty high. and that is costly for putin because he does have that bravado, he does project this powerful image. so when we see those videos of russian aircraft crashed on the ground, things blowing up on the ground, that is going to be particularly damaging for putin. >> yeah, because if you go back to shock and awe, right? in a rocket was dominating, brett, right? you could go into the whole you can for the guerrilla warfare, but not moments, that first couple of days was an unbelievable mass.

it doesn't seem like russia is showing that kind of dominance. >> they aren't. and i have to say this, every day that zelenskyy is outdoing selfies and videos on the streets of kyiv is a day that the ukrainians can count as another chance for their democracy, for their freedom, to survive. and every day that goes by the putin has not. he did not take one single city by reports that are coming out just in the last hour. that is bad news for putin because he can't point anything as progress. >> esn i want to go over the list with colonel davis as i did. major control centers have not been taken out, no population centers taken out, russian hasn't russia has not knocked out ukraine's air and missile defense. a lot of things people would say if you are vladimir putin you have to be looking at momentum and thinking we are losing it. we do not have the momentum right now.

it is clearly a mismatch. no one is saying that ukraine can stand up to russia's forces, but right now, the momentum appears to be on the side of ukraine's. >> and critically, trace, those first few hours and days are decisive for ukrainians that are making a decision whether they are going to stay and fight or they are going to flee. and the fact that they have performed arguably so well in these first couple of days bodes well for the likelihood that those lines will largely hold and that putin is in for a long, tough fight. >> yep, it's always good inside, thank you for coming along we appreciated. >> you bet to. >> i want to read is because the president of the ukraine, zelenskyy, has posted a new video on twitter and instagram. he says this in ukrainian and he says this is been translated. >> there's a lot of fake information that i call an army to lay down arms and that there

is evacuation. i am here, we won't lay down our arms, we will defend our country, glory to ukraine. we will give you updates as they come out of day 3 in the war on ukraine. meantime, gunfire erupted inside kyiv come lets go live to steve harrigan who, again come is on the ground live. steve. >> trays, russian forces are clearly in this capital city of kyiv here in this point there is no sound of the fighting going on earlier, we did hear shelling in the distance. just in the predawn hours we heard several gun battles going on, small arms fire inside the capital. it's not happening now and as you mentioned the president of ukraine, zelenskyy, continues to post, not just tweets but also video of himself. and members of his cabinet really trying to demonstrate to the world and his people that he is still here. he has spoken about possible negotiations, a truce with russia.

here is vladimir putin's response to that idea. >> take power into your own hands. it seems that it will be easier for you and me to come to an agreement then with this gang of drug addicts and neo-nazis who have settled in key haven't taken the entire ukrainian people hostage. >> drug addicts and neo-nazis here in the ukraine, thousands of people have taken up arms. civilians have taken up as many as 18,000 automatic rifles offered over the last two days. they are lining up to give blood. other people try to get out of here. the trains are really packed, emergency trans time go out and head west. people who want to leave this scene immediately. a trace? >> lab in the ground for us, thank you steve. the united nations estimate tens of thousands of ukraine's have led the nation since the russian invasion began. at that number could reach 5 million. that is according to u.s. intel. of triggering the worst refugee crisis since world war ii. the majority of those refugees

have fled to poland or mold over here with us now is reappoint amar check, which provides humanitarian aid to ukraine and raises awareness about the country peardon maria, thank you so much for coming on. we know and our hearts go out to you and your people. most of the refugees as we have set a flood to poland, moldova, is it your understanding that those countries have open arms and welcoming to the ukrainians? >> hi, thank you so much for having me. yes you are correct they are providing great support and also romania. bulgaria, pretty much any european country that has had border with ukraine is offering help. as many people are fleeing. >> but, i wonder if it's the numbers we talked about, maria, if they talked about what the intelligence agencies are saying right now we are hearing 50,000 refugees, that number could

double in the coming days, it could put drupal in the days after that. is it your understanding they have set a limit or will they remain to be welcoming however was to come across and seek refuge? >> that is hard to tell. have not heard of any limits right now. but, i also note don't have that information on the numbers. i think it might be less because i know for my friends and family that a lot of people still prefer to stay in ukraine, but close to the border. and assess the situation and see how it develops, and make a decision about crossing the border. so, right now i think there aren't two huge number of ukrainians abroad but they are definitely in the best heart of ukraine. >> i wonder, maria, as you put these people and friends and they go on cars to the various borders, what are they saying to you? what is going through their mind? what's going through their families minds as they leave some of their men behind?

>> i mean, we are all obviously shocked, and with myself it is hard to believe that this is for real. so, what i hear from people i know, they think it is some kind of situation but also afraid for their safety so they make the hard decisions about leaving while still having hope that this will just end soon because it is impossible in the 21st century in a democratic country like ukraine. >> it seems impossible and it should be. the question about you, maria, what about you? are you choosing to stay at? are you choosing to stay and help people get out? what are your plans specifically? >> so, i'm actually in los angeles right now. so i am not there, but my parents, they have made the decision to leave, unfortunately. they stayed as long as they could, but they are very close.

they live in the area close to the bristol airport after hearing many explosions, not just hearing, they saw them. the sky was lit up. they had to make a decision to leave because it's not going to be much help if they are dead to. >> it brings up a great point, maria, if you are in los angeles is the u.s. giving help in that aspect? are we helping people get out? are we kind of directing? is it just you, or other organizations all over this country and other countries that are helping people in ukraine right now get to safe havens? >> so, yes, there are many organizations, mostly started by other ukrainians or russian speaking, but mostly ukrainians. like the number of ukraine is i'm representing right now, we are doing everything in our power, we are collecting money, we are constantly in touch with people in the ukraine to see where help is needed the most.

but i don't have much information about u.s. local organizations being involved. some are but not being highlighted in the media enough. >> well, maria ponomarchuck, you are doing work we appreciate you and what you're doing in your country. >> thank you for having me. >> and a show of solidarity cultural landmarks around the world were lit up in blue and yellow lights. new york's one world trade center one of many buildings aglow in the colors of ukraine's flag. and the empire state building was also eliminated with blue and yellow lights. new york state is home to the largest ukrainian population in the united states. well we are following another big story, president biden has announced his nominee. fox news actually. >> the president made his final decision choosing jackson as his nomination for the supreme court. he promised and on may the 1st

black woman for the court. >> for all's well so our government, our courts have not looked like america. i believe it is time we have a court that reflects the full talents and greatness of our nation. the nominee of extraordinary qualifications. she brings additional perspective to the court as well. she comes from a family of law enforcement with her brother and uncles having served as police officers. >> it is confirmed she will replaced judge stephen breyer who will retire the summer. 51-year-old jackson sits on the court of appeal for the d.c. circuit. >> my life has been blessed beyond measure and i do know that one can only come this far by faith. among my many black and the fact that i was born in this great country. the united states of america is

the greatest beacon of hope and democracy the world has ever known. >> fox news is told judge jackson will start her visits next week. trace, back to. >> ashley strohmier thank you. the response of the attack on the ukraine, generally hold on what this could reveal in the coming days next. ♪ ♪

>> as you look at the map many refugees are fleeing to the left toward poland and our correspondent mike is in one of the towns very near the poland bourque dirt in lviv. mike. >> trace with the sun up today we have new messaging from the defined president saying weapons are on the way from some of their partners saying ukraine is still very much in the fight. volodymyr zelenskyy tweeted a video in ukrainian but i can give you direct translation of that video. he says there is a lot of fake information online, i have called our army and laid an arms that there is of no evacuation. i am here. we will not lay down our arms, we will defend our country, glory to ukraine. also a lot of reporting there

was a u.s. offer to president zelenskyy to evacuate that he was the number one target on russia's hit list his family was number 2. reportedly the response was i need antitank ammunition. i do not need a ride. the fighting overnight has been most intense in the capital city of kyiv where the russians are expecting to tighten the noose on the capital city. the fighting has manifest did largely overnight in a small arms fire street to street come battles and some artillery fire. we also have from the ukraine video of people seeking shelter underground in some ways we've seen that across the nation as people, as the gunfire comes in, as artillery fire comes in, as air strikes come in, they're trying to find most protected spot they can get, they go to basements of their home and into the subway. the sirens are wailing periodically from time to time. the different places here to the far west we have heard sirens go off a few times. also want to say here to the far west this is where a lot of

people are fleeing. the russian push on the ground is coming from three directions. from the north, from the east, and from the sale. leaving the west open as an escape point. we talk a lot about people trying to flee through the polish border. we know that upwards of 50,000 refugees have poured over polish border but also directly to the south of where i am now is the romanian border. we have new images of cars piling up there as people are attempting to leave. one group of people that are not being allowed to leave is fighting age men. they are being encouraged to stay in ukraine, women and children first in terms of getting out of the country, fighting age men are encouraged to stay in ukraine, pick up a weapon, and fight. one thing we have seen as people are very willing to pick up a weapon to fight. the desire to defend the homeland certainly is there. there is a base here in lviv we went to yesterday and saw volunteers showing up to get their weapons. they are getting weapons with a great deal of passion, trace. ukraine still is a nation

command and control is intact as per one u.s. official. russians are meeting much more resistance than anticipated. >> i'm curious, might come or you are in lviv a couple of days ago they said they were willing to empty all dormitories at the university and filled him with refugees is that offer still there? are people still coming to lviv for refuge? >> it seems the offer is still good but what you see, if you look at the map of lviv, there is a beltway around it. the traffic largely is bypassing lviv heading mostly in the direction of poland. so you do have this tremendous crush of people trying to get out of particularly kyiv. the drive to kyiv from here on a normal day is six hours. is taking 18 hours right now for the traffic jam. the traffic largely goes around lviv. >> yeah, make life for us, thank you. nato is deploying the response force. for the first time ever the u.s.

u.k. france and germany all contributing support. we are doing now by retired brigadier and air force veteran blaine holds. in general, a couple of things first. mike was talking about the ukrainian president zelenskyy and he keeps sending out these social media messages, kind of moving around the city saying, look, they are to fight. he is also so the day 3, which we are in the morning of day 3 in the war, it will be crucial in the fight. should we know soon how the tide on either side is going here? >> we will know immediately. when you think about it, there is no reason there should be even be a day 3. it's really -- the leadership of president zelenskyy and the spirit of the ukrainian people. it you know, one of the things i've been saying this week is put in cannot afford to have the russian army so well-equipped and in such high numbers embarrassed and humiliated. and no matter what happens and

how this comes out, they have lost. they absolutely are that way. everybody around the world is taking note that this small afghanistan trained in season force is leading a fight and they are led brilliantly by this man who is with his people refusing to leave. it is really quite inspiring. one of the things i would pass on is i have been in touch with the senior leader and defense in the ukraine that i am close to. he advises me that small groups of russian soldiers have now taken on ukrainian uniforms. they are trying to infiltrate kyiv that way now. that's a clear violation of the law of conflict which is the desperation on the russian forces side. >> that is a clear violation and a huge lack of confidence they are. i'm wondering, no one is saying that this is not a mismatch but i guess what you're saying here is because russia didn't show

the dominance without they would have that they have in essence lost? speaker that's exactly way. either way, either way the russians have been bloodied horribly here. what i would advise is that nato hasten their time to get the nrs up and going in on status. listen very carefully to what president zelenskyy is saying he needs in terms of support, because we should invest in this. this is freedoms by great here. this were people are fighting for their country and liberty and people are attracted to that. >> we are talking about the nato forces right now are being put in different places, being used for the first time the supreme allied commander general of nato's of following "they represent a flexible combat credible force that can be employed in multiple ways and we are utilizing fully their

inherent agility. these deterrents measures are prudent and enhance our speed, responsiveness, and capability to shield, and protect the 1 billion citizens we swore to protect." that is a fancy way of saying our hands are tied and we can't do anything for ukraine because ukraine is on its own. so regardless of where these troops go, right now unless this war spills over into a nato country, they are on their own, sir. >> here is what we can do. american and international natal logistics, that is a weapon all unto itself. and last time i checked on that map, we have absolute access into lviv through three, four different countries. and we can bring all of the bacon, beans, and bullets the ukrainians need to mount this fight. all politicians decide whether it's time for request over no-fly zone for the ukraine, that's quite another topic and issue. but there are so many things we can do and here at home, welcome

we should start taking the gas at a oil prices and we should drill, pump, and flow oil all over the world because that is just as important of a military action is anything else. >> i want to break we would go back to what you said, it's time for another topic, the no-fly zone. if we see in the days and weeks ahead that vladimir putin is clearly committing war crimes does that change the stance of nato? does that change any of this? >> in my opinion it should. and when i was the deputy rep at nato for the united states i would have been arguing this way. this is -- what ukraine has done, they are a partner. they may not be a full-fledged member of nato, but they certainly are a partner who is fought alongside nato forces in afghanistan gallantly and with honor. what they have proved to us in the last three days is they are a worthy investment. we should check russian aggression, power, and violations of international wall

right here, right now. because of food and gets his way here, he won't stop. this will not stop here. what we should all do is be inspired what they are stepping up to right now. >> right, and listen. ukrainians are saying we are not asking people to come and fight, we are asking for a reference to the fight is fair or more fair. general thank you for coming on. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me, trace. >> to chinese owned banks will restrict purchases but there are limits to beijing's support for moscow. shattering three decades of peace in europe. china's president xi xinping and putin spoke friday where president xi said to negotiate. and institute gordon chang, gordon is always great to have you on. what do you make of this? it seems like you look at the u.n. security council it seems like russia is chosen, china has

chosen russia and then all of a sudden i pulled this bank move saying you know what? there will be some consequences. what is your make of that? >> china is very much afraid of american power. but, they are not afraid of the president of the united states. and that is why they have been supporting russia. i think they may be see the tide turning as general holt was just talking about. therefore maybe they are hedging their bets. so right now this is a fascinating development. is a contrary development because up to now china has been fully backing the russians. and so right now i think they need to wait and see what happens in the next 24 hours. >> yeah and "the new york times" article that the biden administration was asking china to help calm things down in recent weeks. china was picking up the phone and letting moscow know about that. you know, it's kind of like was undermining us. >> it was extremely naive on the

part of the biden administration to think they could bring beijing along. and this just shows you that there are five tickets and engagement areas that are failed but the biden administration is willing to try to continue. putin and xi xinping pretty much see the world the same terms. therefore i don't think the united states should try this type of maneuver, especially because china has been supporting the russian economy with those two large economy announcements. $117.5 billion of oil and gas and the 100 million metric tons of coal. that shows real support for the russians from china. >> doesn't seem to you, gordon, that vladimir putin, i know he called the ukrainian leaders drug addicts and gangsters and whatever, doesn't seem to you like he is willing or ready to possibly negotiate this? >> that i don't know, trace.

but, you know, as we are seeing more reports from the battlefield of the russians have been stymied, which was not really expected, because western intelligence experts were saying that kyiv would fall within 48 hours, doesn't look that way now. it will take the russians a lot longer and the ukrainians will make this a much more expensive exercise. i believe putin has to go for this because if he doesn't, he will have problems at home. >> yeah, i very quickly have about 45 seconds for you, gordon, but the u.n. security council, you just watch it and you shake your head and laugh all the time and you think what is the reasoning? what is the reason we even have this? i just, i just don't quite get it now. >> the u.n. was designed so that it can act only one all five permanent members of the security council in agreement. and so therefore it is a limited tool. is not what people say it is,

which is to help enforce peace around the world. it's only when the five major powers agree and are on the same page. >> and when china abstains, very quickly, what does that mean? are they casting a vote in favor of russia? are they saying you know what? we want to steer clear? >> they knew russia would be to so they figure they did not put themselves on the line as well so why do it? it's a very practical consideration on the part of beijing. >> yes it's interesting. gordon, always great insight. we appreciate you coming on. >> i appreciate it, trace. mike, thank you. >> me time or reaction from ukraine and around the world. when we come back, day three of the war on ukraine breaking news. ♪ ♪ do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy - even a term policy - for an immediate cash payment. call coventry

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♪ ♪ >> trace: explosions and heavy gunfire heard in kyiv, russian troops within the capital city limits and urging people to seek shelter. hello everybody, i'm trace gallagher continuing live team coverage of the of the war in ukraine. 11:00 in los angeles and 9:00 a.m. the morning in kyiv come a day 3 of the work vehicle russian forces meeting struck her then