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ukraine before he comes to your home. neil: that is one very brave woman, a tour guide suddenly from a bomb shelter in kyiv, she has become the vital voice we need to hear from inside ukraine how things are going. and on day three of this russian invasion of ukraine, for vladimir putin there are mixed signals as to whether it's going well at all. he has the overwhelming advantage, but the fact of the matter is he's running into some serious bumps. we are going to give you all of that and the very latest about how this is escalated to almost seemingly target just average folks and not soldiers. good morning, everyone. i'm neil cavuto, and welcome to "cavuto live." i do want to thank edward lawrence, david asman and jackie deangelis for filling in so ably, they were very kind,

thoughtful and selfless. that could describe some of the pokes in ukraine right now deal -- folks in ukraine right now dealing with something that seems unimaginable. no provocative actions on the part of that government against the russian government, but very provocative actions on the part of vladimir putin to essentially shut down that a government and replace that government. we are going to be speaking again just moments from now with this woman who was reporting from a bomb shelter, a tour guide by training, but now offering the world an insight into what's happening in the capital city as president zelenskyy and that country vows to fight until the end, says he's open to talks but increasing mixed signals on what those talks would mean and whether vladimir putin is probably is setting a trap, some would say, to bring him to mimsk in belarus and never let him run. trey trey yingst first in kyiv with the latest. trey. >> reporter: neil, good

morning. fighting erupted overnight inside the ukrainian capital between the ukrainian military and russian forces who are make an offensive on this city. significant escalation with small arms fire in the downtown area and russian missiles slamming into building. one apartment building this morning took a direct hit. no one was killed, but it gives you a sense of just how violent these explosions can be. and even as we speak now, neil, in the distance there are explosions taking place, an indicator that this fighting is not over. i want you to take a look at the scene earlier today in the streets of kyiv and also atta apartment complex. [no audio] >> reporter: it looks like we don't have that video there, but i'll describe it to you here, neil. basically, there was a very

large battle that took place on one of the main roads last night, and we came across one of the ukrainian vehicle ises that was riddled with bullet holes and blood all around the vehicle, indicating this was really where the epicenter of last night's fighting was. we also visited that apartment complex that was hit with a missile early this morning and, again, no one was killed, with but the array of destruction in this area just a taste of what the ukrainian people are dealing with today not only in the capital of kyiv, but also across the entire country. neil? neil: for the people, of course, who have been ready and bracing for this moment, obviously that's an understatement, but many are staying behind, and they're loaded and ready. what is their kind of feeling now as we enter day threesome -- three? >> reporter: we drove by a police stationed today, neil, and the line of civilians waiting to get inside and get weapons was around the block.

people who are staying in the capital of kyiv, especially those of military age and males, are ready to fight. there is currently a general mobilization order for the ukrainian people, so if you are a male between 18-60, by law you are required to stay here and defend the sovereignty of ukraine. we have seen a similar sentiment from people all across the city, even those who are currently living underground we spoke to yesterday in the kyiv metro, they say they will stay. this is their home, and they are hoping for the best, but many of their family members preparing for the worst even if heir not in the army, loading up, getting ready to fight. meehl? neil: trey, we get back and forth these reports of peace talks that could be on the table here. confusioning -- confusing as to who initiated or offer them. we do know that president zelenskyy is open to them, we do know as well the last time there was talk of any type of talk, it would not actually be in ukraine can, it would be in belarus so

some had termed that as a potential trap for zelenskyy should he go. do we know anything about that? >> reporter: we saw the reports yesterday indicating that both the russians and ukrainians would be open to some sort of ceasefire negotiation that could take place in a third party country. the difficult part here dealing with the russians. they are known as a fighting force that continues offensive operations while claiming publicly that they're open to peace. the reality on the ground is far different. they are not creating peace in this part of eastern europe. they are creating war. they invaded a sovereign country, they are firing missiles at the capital city, and they are trying to send thousands of ground force into kyiv to kill the ukrainian military and take over the city and this entire country. neil? neil: trey yingst, thank you very much. i do want to let you know right now, and we've been flashing this just to let you you know that the administration has already committed $350 million in military aid to ukraine, but

we understand -- and maybe this'll be outlined in his state of the union address next week -- that it would be part of a larger $6.1-6.2 billion package that would be allocated to help the ukrainians. many are saying time is of the essence, the issue is to get this out to the ukrainians as quickly as possible. forget about a month, talk about a couple of days, and there could be resistance to that package because we don't know what is in that package. let's get the latest from alexandria hoff, the president is in wilmington, delaware, we might have some further details an owl of -- on all of this. what can you tell us? >> reporter: neil, first of all, the president is here in wilmington to attend a memorial for a family member, that's according to the white house. he is right now on a call with his national security team. and as for this $350 million, the intent here is to assist the ukraine to the armored and airborne threats they are now receiving. this is the third defense package authorized by the president, it follows $60

million in in immediate military aid. today secretary of state antony blinken said, quote, it is another clear signal that the united states stands with the people of ukraine as they defend their sovereign, courageous and proud nation. now, after bipartisan calls were made that the sanctions announced by the president didn't go far enough, the u.s. followed the u.k. and e.u. in sanctioning president putin himself. white house press secretary jen psaki said this yesterday. >> it's been on the -- for some time. taking steps in coordination, obviously, that decision was made over the course of the last 24 hours and in partnership with our european counterparts. >> reporter: now, neil, this is interesting, reuters is reporting this morning that russia may be soon cut off from the swift financial system. as you know, if that were to happen, this would impact russia's ability to receive payment, exwe expedited

payment -- expedited payment in particular for the exports of their energy, so we will wait to see if that decision is to come. neil: do we know on that, i guess the germans were the big holdout, right? they didn't want to do that because they, obviously, have much more financial ties to russia, the oil and commerce, than the other countries. but that they would go along with that? >> reporter: well, that's the big question still. it does appear that germany is still the holdout. there was italy and hungary, people were pointing to those countries as well, but italy's prime minister spoke with zelenskyy and said that he would support cutting russia off from swift, so that at least looks like europe is moving in the direction where this could possibly happen. neil: that would be a very big development, indeed. appreciate that. in the meantime, you have probably been wondering how do the ukrainian people deal with that, especially the people directly in harm's way. this next woman, a tour guide by

training, has sort of become the voice of those who are under attack, reports coming from a bomb shelter just like this. take a listen. >> you are watching in this happening. sanctions is nothing. please protect simple citizens, please put pressure on your governments, on your presidents. please let them know that you care. here in ukraine, in the heartland, the war will not -- [inaudible] will knock at your door. neil: she's kind enough to join us now. elena, thank you. how are you totaling -- holding up? >> translator: yes, hello, i am with you. neil: how are you doing? hour your children? >> we are fine, thank you very much for asking.

she's five months old, he's 7 years old, he's 5 years old, and we're hoping that it will all be okay and we will be alive and happy. our, my husband, their father, he just -- right now he's with the other guys and ladies, he is fighting with the russians -- [inaudible] and he thinks that daddy will not come back, and i told him, no, he will. so we are all right. neil: how are your children? what do they think? what to you tell them? how are they holding up? >> our children are very wise. we were -- we just told them that the war started with russia. so we clearly explained what's happening here, and they are

doing very well. we understand what's happening. what surpriseds me is that the world leaders still do not understand what's happening, and her more like children because what is happening is terrible. the aggressor, russia, attacked ukraine. simply because they want us to be their territory. and they couldn't take us by any talks or, you know, something like this, they decided to take us by force. they will not control us. ukrainians will not surrender. but they will try to just eliminate, to kill at least 60% of ukrainians and 40% that will be left are, they will try to control them. and i beg you, please, don't let this happen. you see what is happening. they are just killing us. neil: how many, olena -- i'm sorry, how many are in the

shelter there? are you able to tell us? >> very small thing. i say that how much my life worth, how much the life of these children worth. millions is not enough to save us, so please intervene and do something with force because i'm sure you can do this. and they said they will not attack, and they did. so do not trust russia, just keep them back by -- [inaudible] neil: all right. all right. we had some feed problems there. as you can imagine, we're hearing from ad good many ukrainians, the talk of aid and all, whether it's more coming, a matter of days or weeks, even in the scheme of days, they don't think that's enough, but i think olena is back with us. when you say you need help, the money is one thing, but you really want to see soldiers, right? you'd like to see more foreign military intervention on your behalf, on behalf of ukrainians?

>> yes. i'm asking, i'm asking for military intervention. russia violated all our legal system, all the international laws, all sorts of international laws. don't, please, allow the genocide to happen here. this is what we want to do this. they tried to do this -- [inaudible] here in ukraine, and many ukrainians, millions of us were killed by starvation. now they want to kill even more of us, to control us, okay? so they just want to take us by force and control. don't, please -- prevent the new genocide of ukrainians here. and the only way how you can do this, only by force. you know, i never wanted anyone to kill anyone. they are just coming and they are just killing us. so please tell them, please come and save us. neil: olena, if you don't get military help from the outside,

then what? >> 60% of us will die, 40% survive. and, hopefully, we will be again a nation but in some hundreds of years because we already were -- [inaudible] to russia in the history. but, you know what really is shocking is that we are repeating the history of the second world war when everybody was playing games with hitler, when he -- and everybody thought, okay, -- [inaudible] you remember what happens next. he he didn't stop until if he was stopped. putin is the same. he will not stop until he is stop. he wants to waterway, he wants more per territory. he is already talking about finland and so on.

so who will be the next? stop the war while it's happening here in ukraine on our land. we know how it feels, the same as in the first world war and the second world war. read the history. ukrainians was the battlefield, and many of our people were dying. right now again we are ready to die for the sake of our freedom and the defense, but -- [inaudible] maybe we will be smarter, yes, and we can prevent genocide. not to express condolences, not to say there is so much concern tata it is happening. i just ask urgently, now. neil: olena, if vladimir putin were to take over your country, he would probably install a government, a puppet government sympathetic to him.

how would you feel about that? >> i would feel bad. i am betrayed. and the world is just running, falling into the house and this is just catastrophic not only for ukraine, but for the whole world. this is the collapse of democracy. this is the collapse of our values, this is the collapse of our diplomatic and normal world in the west that we've been building for so long after the second world war. so we will be back. i think we will be -- [inaudible] just because we couldn't stop russia in time. neil: how are you and your family and others there dealing with just getting access to food? we're told grocery store shelves are increasingly running out of items if not outright empty, they're just getting basic stuff

is tough. is it for you and your children. >> so far we have some food and a couple of days we'll be fine. today for some hours they shopped, the grocery stores were open and people went to the shops and buy something. i want to say that people are very calm. they really understand what's going on, and we are doing everything is needed to help our soldiers, our men, and we must do the best to defend, and we believe in our army and everything will be fine. i had to travel because -- [inaudible] she has breathing problem, and today i was out of very important medication to make breathing. so -- the. [inaudible] she will not breathe, and i rush through all of the pharmacies. most of them were closed but, yes, i was happy to find one, and i told them, please, let me

come first because my baby needs urgent medication, and everybody said go. she had it. so people are helping here each other. we will do everything possible to survive, yes, and to help the world to stop putin. but we need your help. we should be able to do this together, yes? only ukrainians, we are too small and we are not aggressive, yes? we are harmless. so we need help, physical help. multiple weapons -- not only weapons, but we need peacekeepers to make peace here from the west. because -- [inaudible] he is killing us -- [inaudible] stop him, please. neil: olena, from what we hear the russians are very close to take ainging capital. now, they've run into all sorts

of resistance from your husband among them, but if they take over the capital, the feeling seems to be they've won, the country is theirs. what does your husband tell you, what are your fears after that? >> my husband didn't tell me much, he told me i love you, that's all i need to know. i told him i'm proud of you and i love you too. now, what are the feelings, the feelings are we will fight until the last blood. those people who are afraid -- many people flee, and i'm very happy for them. i wish them to get to a safe place, you know, and be okay and have a chance to come back to their home after this nightmare ends. people still live here. we are ready to fight until the last blood. those guys, they told us that stay in the bomb shelter as long

as needed, and when we open you up, we hope that it will be us who will open you from the bomb shelters. we just need to stay here, so we believe that they will. neil: olena, if you could speak to president biden, what would you tell him? what would you ask him. >> mr. president biden, if you stop russian aggression, if you stop aggression of vladimir putin right now with a very serious, with a very concrete decision to intervene immediately with all the needed forces and prevent the genocide and prevent catastrophe and prevent the third world war, you will be the best man in the world. you will be -- who will be a part of this history. the president who stopped the global catastrophe, who

prevented the collapse of democracy in the world, the collapse of humanity. if this is not good enough to express what i'm really thinking, but he will be really a big person, you know, and american and western people and we as humanity, really smart, intelligent people, you know? if that prevented, many of them, prevented many, many tyranny in the world, yes? it's a very, very important moment right now, today, yes? how you behave. because if you wait for some more days or some more weeks, then it will be collapse. we will go down, all of us. i mean, all of us in the world. neil: olena, thank you are -- thank you very, very much. i wish the best for you, your beautiful children including your five month if old there. just beautiful.

please hang in there -- >> thank you. i will. neil: a lot of people are watching. i hope people respond. finish that thought. >> [inaudible] i wanted to say that i want a happy end in this story. neil: thank you, olena, very, very much. it could still happen. thank you very, very much. again, what is so riveting about this is this is a person who was thrust into this role, speaking from a shelter about what's going on around her. all men between the ages of 18-60, some reports as old as 65 have suited up for battle to take on the russians against overwhelming odds. we can say that russian troops are massively moving on the capital right now and have a clear advantage, but they have had a bumpy effort into ukraine itself, surprisingly so. lieutenant general jerry boykin

with us. general, first of all, what did you think of olena? she represents the incredible bravery of a people who are not going to fold to vladimir putin. >> you know, when she was talking it dawned on me that is exactly what vladimir putin has underestimated, is that kind of resolve by the ukrainian people. and i, frankly, think that she -- this woman, we ought to hirer if hurt u.s. state department. her for the u.s. state department. neil: so, general, when you see what's happening there, the enormous -- obviously, those holed up in shelters and hiding out in their homes, most of them with weapons, what they really want are soldiers not only from the united states, but from nato countries that have already been activated in the area around i believe the first time that's happened in nato history. that seems extremely unlikely, doesn't it, general?

>> yeah. and i don't think that there's my chance that putin actually believes that any of that is going to happen. that his demands are going to be met, and he came into this determined to invade and take a over the entire country, and i don't think that has changed. i think what has happened is reality has set in, and as many of us have been saying, this was not going to be an easy fight for him, and i think now we're actually looking at the beginning of a potential quagmire here for the russians. this is what, this is what happened to hitler when he went into russia back in world war ii. he got bogged down and underestimated the tenacity of the russians, and i think that putin has done the same thing with regards to the ukrainian people. neil: so this talk of aid, general, $350 billion that the president wants to ask for for

immediate aid to help the ukrainians, i believe the administration said it's already committed over the last year about a billion dollars to the ukrainians, there's talk that in his state of the union address he's going to outline a plan for better than $6 billion in aid, but time is of the essence, right? >> it is, absolutely. the clock is ticking. what we need to provide them should have already been provided in huge quantities. you know, these javelins, for example, look, this is an armor attack on the capital city and on the rest of the country. these javelins are very effective against knocking out tanks. and we need to get lethal aid. now, we need humanitarian aid as well, but we need to get lethal aid in there in the right quantities as quickly as we can. that may be much more difficult right now because the war's already started. so how they get it in is another story, but we need to do that as quickly as we can and give these

people who are willing to fight, who are willing to stand up against the bear, we need to give them what they need to defend their own country, and i hope that we can do that the here in the very near future. neil: general, thank you very much for joining us on a saturday. much appreciated, sir, as is your incredible service to this country. senator joni ernst joins us on the phone right now, senate armed services committee, a key member on that committee. senator, about the aid that the president is looking at, not only the $350 million in immediate funds, i guess part of the larger $600 million package, but talk at the state of the union that he wants something i kin to be $6-6.2 billion, how are you on all of that, senator? >> well, i do think we need to provide whatever aid possible for the ukrainian people, keep them free and independent from putin and russia's clutches. i spent time in ukraine in 1989

when it was still part of the soviet on youen -- union, and what struck me on, i was on an agricultural exchange on a collective farm. these ukrainians wanted to be free. hay wanted to turn -- they wanted to turn to the west and follow the example set by the united states of america. and our allies and partners. they are a tremendous people. they are a kind, free loving people. we should be standing up for ukraine and pushing back heavily against vladimir putin. so if the president is proposing additional support, obviously, i'm going to be extremely supportive of those. but we need to do more. not just supporting the ukrainian people, but also pushing back heavily on vladimir putin and his oligarch cronies. we need to kick russia out of the swift banking system, and, of course, it all comes back to the united states. we need to reopen our american energy sources. neil: but you would be against, i take it, troops coming into

ukraine. >> yes. at this point we haven't seen them move against our nato allies, but certainly if there are ways that we can provide support whether that's additional military intelligence sharing, i would be very, very supportive of that. this is, this is so hard, neil. this is so hard, but i do think we need to go after vladimir putin and make him feel the pain as much as we possibly can. so i will support the president as he is planning more aid, lethal a aid to ukrainians, and we hope that we can bolster the ukrainian people so that they can push back. they're fighting so hard. they really need our support in this. neil: but i don't know if you had a chance, senator, to hear ms. olena gnes hiding out many a shelter there, praying, pleaing for aid.

in the form of soldiers, boots on the ground, so to speak. it is unlikely -- >> yes. neil: -- she's going to get that, isn't it? >> yes, it is. i heard olena, and my heart is break. i really think that this was a situation that in large part could have been ajoyed -- avoided if the united states, our leaders had -- months ago on pushing back against president putin. we see that with germany right now. they are so dependent upon russia for their energy resources that they're afraid to do anything that would allow him to cut off that -- [inaudible] that's where we have prevailed, not providing and being an energy exporter to europe and making sure that we don't have to rely on russia. so i believe, my heart is breaking. i want ukrainians to continue to be a free and independents

nation, and we need to do whatever possible to bolster or up those that are fighting against these russian thugs that have come into their country. if -- so at this point the american people are not behind sending american troops into ukraine. but as time goes on, you know, the american people have got to tell the president what they want to see. but as for now, of course, again, we are part of that nato alliance. as far as russia coming after nato, they have not done it yet, and that's what the decision makers will have to decide, at what point has vladimir putin put that trigger. neil: all right. we'll watch it closely. senator joni if ernst, i do appreciate that. just the realistic view of this despite those inside ukraine who are begging and imploring to help in terms of soldiers, military aid of any sort, the reality is it is

extremely unlikely. now, that could change, there could be a global wave of consternation and protests about how vladimir putin is operating here. we've already gotten indications that they're ostracizing him faster than we can keep up with it. for example, the u.s., canada bars are tossing out russian vodka, the world cup skiing events in russia have been can canceled, poland will not play russia in a world cup qualifier and on and on it goes. but as you heard from someone who is beg for help from of something more substantive, that part is unlikely, and that is the reality that for many holed up in ukraine and hoping against hope that something, anything can turn this tide, it is a tall wall. we'll have more after this. ♪ baby got back by sir mix-a-lot ♪ unlimited cashback match...

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>> at our company we invest, you know, a billion dollars plus a year in cyber defense, all our teammates have to work on it to be good, and so we do a lot to protect, and then with the industry and with the administrations, going back the last two or three administrations, we've worked closely with them and they're giving good access to our industry and other key industries to make sure we're informed what's going on. neil: all right. brian moynihan, he runs bank of america, talking about cyber attacks on financial institutions and banks that have

been targets over these many, many years, many of them coming from russia or, certainly, russian sympathizers. the fear is that the russians are going to sort of up the cyber ante going after not only financial institutions in and around the nato sphere, so to speak, in europe, but well beyond that. they do have a history of that. remember that vladimir putin waged a cyber attack on estonia back in 2007, a breakaway republic, is now, of course, a nato member. would that be, if until be triggered again, article v of this agreement that nato has that an attack on one would be an attack on all and would a cyber attack represent such an attack. chad wolfe, the former -- chad wolf, the former acting director of homeland security, kind enough to join us now. what do you think of that and what the russians might be planning next and how we might want to counter? >> well, what we know is the

russians certainly have not only the capability, but the willingness to launch cyber attacks. so i think here in the u.s. we -- certainly our companies, not only the companies, but the government need of to have their shields up, and and i know that they do, and i know that the federal government is sharing critical information and intention as they can with the private sector. i think it's important to remember that, you know, private sector controls their networks, and so they have to have their capabilities up, and the federal government can protect them in doing that. i also think it's important to note that cyber e dependents that occur in ukraine or even in eastern or western europe obviously have the ability to spread here to the united states. so, again, i think we've got to be very aware that as this continues to go on and you see russia and russia, russian assets launch cyber attacks even if it's target thed to ukraine, we know that can spill over to have systems and to critical infrastructure here in the united states. neil: how vulnerable are we

these days versus when cyber attacks begin to be a big thing? i only see them increasing and getting much wider. it was a big deal when target was shut down, hundreds of thousands of people were affected by that, it's gone to utilities and other companies, financial institutions the world over. much of this attack we're seeing unfold now on its third day in ukraine precede by a cyber attack. so it doesn't seem like we've made globally that much more progress. we with might be able to identify it, isolate it where it's coming from, but not stop it. >> yeah. i think cyber attacks are going to be very difficult to stop overall. i think we have done a much better job both offensively -- defensively and offensively. so hundreds of thousands of cyber attacks occur every single day, but over the past several years the principal government, our -- the federal government, our partners mt. private sector have gotten better and better at not only identifying,

preventing, but responding to and restoring their systems in a very quick and efficient capacity. so i think -- and when we have an incident like we're having now in ukraine, not only do our shields go up offensively, but we have different assets within the federal government that are looking at offensive cyber operations as well to counteract anything that occurs before it actually occurs. so i think that's really the critical element here, is how do you stop certain individuals, cyber actors, cyber criminals and others to take advantage of the situation? and, again, that's driven by the intelligence community and taking certain steps. so we're not only, i imagine the federal government today is not only doing the defensive measures that they have to do with our critical infrastructure partners, but also the offensive cyber operations that are also needed to stop any attacks before they occur. neil: chad wolf, thank you. very good seeing you on saturday, former acting secretary of homeland security. thank you again, sir. i do want to go to griff jenkins

right now with the latest on where this battle is in its third full day right now, the russian invasion of ukraine and where with things stand at this time. griff, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, good morning, neil. putin's battle plan has been the same after three days. we've heard or three axis, an attack from the northst -- north, the east and the south. by the way, coming land, air and sea. but this is that russian-backed separatist area, the donbas renal. it's been heavy fighting there and they're trying to take particularly this town here to strengthen what was already russian control, to push it even further in car -- kharkiv, a city of about 2 million. they're fighting hard in that area. now let's go south, you see a very strong attack coming off the sea, going after odesa. now, what would that do, neil? that strategically for putin and the russian forces would cut off access to the black sea, very,

very strategic battle there. now, we've all been hearing about the battle of forces, russian forces coming out of belarus and out of russia pushing and closing in on kyiv. we understand that the bulk of his forces may be ant 20 miles north -- about 20 miles north outside, i'll talk more about that in a second, but i want to go over here and show you this is poland. two important things are happening there. number one, this is the main route for evacuees, ukrainians fleeing to get out, but also for logistics in bullets and other support coming in. and that is part when president biden says he's got $350 million of aid going, it'll likely come through this route, a very key part. but as you see the attacks happening out there near lviv, if indeed putin is able to push forces up here, it makes that logistically much more difficult to get allies and aid in there.

let's zoom in on kyiv. the remarkable news that kyiv still standing, but if you look here -- and, by the way, that missile video you were showing of hitting a residential building, that happened somewhere down here, and it's near a airport. they want to try to get an airport, perhaps that missile was intended for that. we don't entirely know, but this is what i wanted to show you. parliament building, office of the president right there in the center of kyiv. somebody who was with ollie north in 2003 when the marines took baghdad, i can tell you urban combat in a dense city is very, very messy, very violent and very bloody and and that is, unfortunately, what we're likely going to see particularly with ukrainians not just the forces, but, of course, civilians willing to fight like the husband of that amazing woman you spoke to just a moment ago. now, if we back up a little bit, a significant development over the week, of course, the

chernobyl power plant. that's up here just north of kyiv, but it's all part of that main route the forces came down. how close they are, we don't know, but it looks like when we thought the big push was coming last night and it's almost nightfall in kyiv, it may come tonight. we just have to wait and watch. and then lastly, neil, i just want to show you one more thing and that's the big picture. president biden clearly meeting with nato leaders, discussing the ramifications of if, indeed, putin were able to succeed and extend russia, he's already got belarus, he comes along ukraine and takes that that control right there, you have the baltic states -- estonia, latvia, lithuania -- crown jewels if, indeed, he is trying to reconstitute the old soviet union, he would want those. if question is, is he willing to attack a nato country? as we know, article v, that is an attack on one is an attack on

all, and that would incredibly raise the stakes. neil? neil: griff, thank you. that was very clearly laid out, i appreciate that, as do our viewers. griff was mentioning, it could explain why nato for the first time in its history activated a response force. now, keep in mind ukraine is not a nato member. it wanted to be and, of course, there were all sorts of difficulties over the years getting it to be. it's a moot point at this time, but this activation does have people wondering what is nato thinking, what is the next step. let's get thoughts from the former u.s. ambassador to nato. ambassador, thank you. what is your sense of this activation and the response force on the part of nato? >> well, neil, as you said, first time ever in the history of nato that it's activated this 0,000-troop -- 40,000-troop strong response force. this force was actually created in 2014 as part of nato's

reaction to the last time putin attacked ukraine. and it's been sitting there for the last eight years preparing, exercising, bringing itself to readiness. so yesterday with it was activated for the first time. and i think you'll see elements of this nrf, as it's called, nato response force, deployed to the easternmost allies, first of all, to really assure those eastern allies that nato has their back and, second of all, to make crystal clear to president putin that the red line between his aggression in ukraine and nato stands and that nato will defend, as nato leaders have said, every inch of nato territory. neil: so obviously, ambassador, i know ukraine is not a nato member. it wanted to be. do you think that if it were p a nato member, you know, after the fact i understand, russia would have attacked it? >> no. i think russia understands this,

as i said, bright line between nato membership and nato partners or non-members. and i don't believe that president putin wants to pick a fight with nato where he would be not only conventionally overmatched, but he would launch swoop a very risky escalatory process that could lead all the way to the nuclear rell. -- realm. and i think he knows he must avoid that. neil: ambassador, do you think generals around him, military aides, you get these anecdotal reports that they think something has snapped in him, he's not listening to advice, he's not even hearing it. publicly he goes after his top advisers in a form that the world can see, he's acting very differently. and i'm wondering these early frustrations, we've separately got a "wall street journal" report that ukrainian forces have repelled a russian attack on kyiv. now, again, i should say that

some of these plain-clothessed ukrainian fighters are putting up up a much greater fight than vladimir putin envisioned, so i'm wondering if that just accelerates and makes it even more drastic, even crazy actions? if what do you think? >> well, i have to admit that it appears that president putin, based on his two years of relative isolation from the world scene both because he's no longer part of the former g8 which expelled him and became the g7, he's no longer in that uppermost realm of world leaders, but he's not only isolated there, i think he's been isolated in the two years of the covid period. and i think this theater that they pose with regard to him and his national security council veals a lot about the -- reveals a lot about the kind of dictator, absolute dictator he is. and it causes me to be concerned

that he's not receiving any contrary advice. i think, for example, he might have expected the kind of ukrainian resistance both military and civilian, now civilian resistance that he sees, but i doubt that he's got many conflicting advice or dissenting advice in his national security council. so i'm concerned about his ice ration louisiana its -- isolation. neil: ambassador, i'm wondering, a lot of people think none of these sanctions, those announced and even talk that the president might look at removing him from spirit with -- he -- from swift. he can't unilaterally make that decision, germany's not keen on the idea, but i wonder if even removing him from the very system that allows world commerce -- i believe north korea and iran are the only non-members. so if that doesn't do anything, how is it that he is able to buck all of this pressure and

actions by so many countries day after day, not inviting him to business conferences, not going to do tennis and other matches, you know, disinviting him to seminars and all the rest, excluding flights from now countless airports across the world, the russian carrier, and yet he goes on and on. what is it? >> the biggest limits, the biggest stops on his power are the russian people themselves. and the people around him. as long as his advisers, as long as the security services, as long as the russian people are sufficiently suppressed and subservient to him as the lone decision maker, the dictator of russia, then there aren't really many things we can do from outside. we can exact pain, we can exact cost by way of the financial sanctions, the economic sanctions, the increasing economic isolation of russia. but he's prepared to incur that cost. that cost doesn't bother him

personally. so, frankly, this comes down to the ability of the ukrainian military and the ukrainian people to resist, impose physical costs on him and then, ultimately, russians themselves saying this is not what we want. neil: ambassador lute, thank you so much. crazy times, at a minimum. thank you for giving us some perspective on that. you know, we are hearing word of many ukrainians, mostly women and children, who have, indeed, left the country, about 120,000. a good many of them making their way to poland on the western side of the country, and that's where you'll find our mike tobin n lviv, ukraine. mike, good to have you. what are we seeing on the evacuation front? poland has accepted virtually anyone and everyone who wants in, but what's the latest? >> reporter: well, as far as evacuations go and refugees trying to get out of the country, they're hitting all three of the western borders,

poland, moldova and now romania as well. and is although most of the fighting has been far to the east of here, just on the outskirts of town, about 60 miles from the center of town, the mayor of lviv says there was fighting today. he says three russian helicopters attempted to insert some 60 troops. they were met by ukrainian fighters, and those ukrainian fighters claimed they repelled that russian attempt at troop insertion into this part of the country. but three days into the conflict, and russia does not control a single population center, russia does not have air superiority, and the ukrainian command and control is still intact. ukraine president zelenskyy has been taking to social media to tell people he is still here, still in the fight. defiantly, he spoke directly to the russian people. [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: and now i'll talk to russians, all of them, thousands of victims, hundreds of cabtives who cannot

comprehend while they have been sent to ukraine to kill others. the sooner you tell your authorities the war has to be stopped, the more you will stay alive. >> reporter: and remarkable images out of kyiv where an apartment building there took a direct hit. we still don't have good information as far as how many injuries resulted from that missile strike on the apartment building, but overall the ministry of health in ukraine says 168 people thus far have been killed in the fighting, more than 1,000 have been injured. back here the mayor of lviv is telling the people here that the soldiers have to go defend the nation, they need to be prepared to pick up a weapon and defend the city. his parting words in a message today were keep calm and make molotov cocktails. meehl? neil: you know, how have they responded to that, nike? -- mike? if you think about it, the russians are trying to lock off all points of entrance into the

country including the western part of the country and access to, of these three other countries including poland that will accept those trying to get out, that is where aid would come through whatever the president is pondering in this country, we're told $350 million, maybe $6 billion plus down the road. if the russians can succeed in freezing off those access points, not only can people not get out, aid can't come in, right? >> reporter: right. that would be a really devastating impact for the ukrainian people if that were to happen. right now you have people just streaming to those borders, you have the polish people setting up temporary housing, even a medical train to take the injured to the hospital. right now you don't see any disruption in the flow of refugees other than the fact that the traffic is backing up. but certainly that would be devastating to the supply line because they're going to defend on this part of the country to get supplies in as the russian

forces are coming from the other three directions, neil. neil: you know, mike, when you walk around the streets there, it's a beautiful city and everything else, i mean, how are people just comprehending this? a week ago it seemed unthinkable even though it was feared, now the battle is on, very feisty street fighting on the part of just average citizens who have taken this into their own hands, giving the russians more problems than they calculated. but it's got to be sur vale -- surreal. >> reporter: the switch really seems to have flipped with that putin speech. i think people were very hopeful that it was never really going to manifest in an invasion until the point they heard that speech in which he recognized the breakaway regions. that's when one ukrainian told me they felt like the mask was off. the next day this town looked like business as usual, but when you talked to people on the street, it was different. one retired soldier said he was

going down to the office to volunteer. in terms of volunteers, these places where they're handing out the weapons, the lines stream around the corner. you get great resolve when you talk to the ukrainian people. they are ready to fight, to defend their homeland, and what i hear from a lot of people is that it's not 2014. they're better armed now because they've had some support, time to get ready for it, and there's better resolve. it's not a matter of just losing the peninsula, this is a matter of losing hair homeland, neil. neil: thank you, my friend. please be safe, mike. we're learning more about the actions some countries and businesses around the world are taking. estonia the latest to say it's banning russian airlines from its air space. i peeve we're up to about a dozen cities and/or countries that are banning flights from entering the country, also hearing that the european allies are looking to sanction more russian leaders beyond vlad a myrrh putin, that the council of europe has suspended russia's

membership, that the white house is calling off an international lender from the financial system, one of the best performers, one of the more influential players in the russian financial markets, also cutting off russia's supply of technology goods. and delta has suspended all operations with russia, particularly their main airline. so the economic pressure is on. but if vladimir putin is at all dissuaded by any of this and we're sort of rifling through some of these, he's not showing it. erican dream of homeownership more than veterans. with the newday zero down home purchase loan, you can buy a home with no down payment. and they're still holding rates in the 2s. already own a home and need cash? the newday100 loan can get you up to $60,000 or more and lower your payments by $615 a month. take ten minutes right now and make the call. because no one knows veterans like newday usa.

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>> if you could speak to president biden, what would you tell him? what would you ask him? >> mr. president biden, if you stop russian aggression, if you stop aggression right now with

a serious concrete decision to intervene immediately with all the meet forces and prevent genocide and catastrophe and third world war, you will be the best man in the world and you'll be a part of big history, the president who stops the global catastrophe, who prevented the collapse of democracy in the world, the collapse of humanity. neil: and we're getting overwhelming reaction to this incredibly brave woman, a young mother of three, including a six-month-old oblivious to this, blessedly so, and to this commander in this country, we need much more, we need military help and seems to be unlikely in the so-called boots on the ground.

ukraine is not a nato member and wanted to be for a number of years and never got that and one of the key reasons, we're told, vladimir putin targeted it for this attack. but again shall the financial pressure is on and we'll be speaking momentarily with senator bill hagerty who sits on the foreign relations committee, what if anything we can do on the nonsoldier front, because many nato nations even on active alert here, are unlikely to intervene militarily. let's get the latest from trey yingst who joins us now from kiev. >> good morning, the mayor of kiev announced the city is now under curfew until monday morning, this is significant because overnight we saw kearse fighting in the streets between the ukrainian army and russian forces. a few moments ago in the distance we heard a large explosion and small arms fire is expected to continue once again today. we do know an apartment

building was hit in the central part of this city by a russian missile this morning. the destruction was quite widespread. you can see in some of this video, cct footage of the explosion after the missile hit the residential building and we were at the site earlier today and in the streets to see what it looks like following those battles. take a look. >> overnight fierce fighting erupted between the ukrainian army and russian forces in the streets of kyiv. this truck is riddled with bullet holes and there's blood on the sidewalk. this morning a russian missile slammed into this building in the ukrainian capital of kyiv. this gives you a sense of destruction that the weapons can cause. right now, ukraine is appealing to the international community to send air defense systems as their country is under attack. neil, we drove by a police station today and there was a line around the block. civilians waiting to pick up weapons so they can fight the russian forces trying to enter

their capital city. it's not just those civilians in the capital, but across this country, reports of people picking up arms and doing everything they can to push back against the russian troops. ukrainian president zelensky asking for help and it could be too late as they're in the city. >> and help could be on the way in terms of more money helping ukrainians shalls the president is considering $350 billion, and they've already committed one billion dollars to the ukrainians, and folks say they need a lot more than just money and we're told separately, the president is considering a larger package that could be outlined as soon as the state of the union address this week. jacqui heinrich is at the white house and the president is in

wilmington delaware, what do you know about this larger aid package. >> the president is in wilmington, delaware for a family member's memorial service, he authorized to ukraine, $350 billion worth of weapons from the stock as ukrainian members of parliament have been lobbying for helmets and small arms and munitions and secretary blinken says today as they're fighting, i've authorized pursuant to delegation by the president, a third presidential drawdown for for immediate support. the total security assistance to the u.s. committed to ukraine to more than $1 billion. and the netherlands this morning, announced they'll supply 200 anti-aircraft missiles known as stingers

quickly as possible and belgium is pledging 2,000 machine guns and tons of fuel. they're rallying around the country there. beyond weapons, ukrainians are pushing really hard for the u.s. and n.a.t.o. to establish a no-fly zone over ukraine and banish russian from the swift international banking system. a no-fly zone means that the west would have to pledge to shoot down russian planes. but swift may well happen as european countries have warmed to the idea. >> we've never taken that off the table, of course, and i'm certainly not taking it off the table today so certainly there will be ongoing discussions about that. as you know, swift is a messaging service that connects 11,000 banks and many would argue that there are ways that the russian leadership could get around that over the course of time, but it certainly remains an option on the table. >> as of yesterday, germany and

italy were opposed to the idea of removing russia from swift, but there are discussions, ongoing discussions about the next move there. in the meantime, the u.s. has strengthened sanctions against putin and top members of his government and the white house $6 billion in humanitarian aid, 6.4 billion to be exact, neil. neil: i know they call it a nuclear option when they take out, new york korea, iran, and somehow they're going on without it. and a way to get what they need and china plays a crucial role in that. does the administration view it as a big deal on top of other sanctions that we've taken, but is that even enough? >> the administration says what th done targeting russian banks may be more effective than something like swift, but

remember, swift from the very beginning was described as the nuclear option, the option that had not been pursued in 2014 when russia annexed crimea it's the most punishing option out there. no indication right now that there's going to be an immediate action on swift. the biggest risk there is spillever into neighboring economies, as we know russia needs the swift international banking system to sell oil and gas and there's not opposition to the energy sector because of how it would impact other european nations, that being said, i think the u.s. is keeping that on the table because they're really looking at anything that could stop puth from advancing, obviously, these sanctions have not worked to deter him yet, but that being said, it hasn't-- we haven't seen the impact yet because it's just went into effect and some of them are going to take a month for you to see the full impact and

maybe even longer in certain sectors of the russian economy, neil. neil: yeah, if you think about it, the ukrainians when they hear upwards of month to take effect. we don't have a month. jacqui heinrich excellent reporting. and the swift, you hear acronyms, society of worldwide intercommunications, that's a mouthful, it's the way it's commerce and liken it, some people similar compare your ability to wire money or have money wired to you. there's an underlying system and network that allows for that across the globe, across the virtually the entire earth in the 200 countries and so that make up this wonderful planet of ours. and that system makes it smooth to get money to and back for whatever industry you have. companies use it, countries use

it, cities and municipalities use it so if you take the ability away from russia, it isolates them in a way that a sanction normally cannot. there are ways around sanctions and some people say it's much more to get around swift. i don't know about that, as i said, iran and north korea have, they have secret access to hosts of other rogue countries that don't public size themselves and do more than their best to prop up not only iranians, but in case of north korea, the dictator in charge there. you hear much about this. the reason why they feared some european countries fear taking that away from russia, it exposes them to russia becoming even still a more financially ostracized and their exposure to natural gas and oil and all that have and transacting that business, that goes away. so they're really, really hurt. so let's go to lieutenant general richard newton, the former assistant chief of staff for the u.s. air force, very good of you to come.

i had a woman on the shore earlier, a tour guide with her three beautiful children imploring for help the military type, not weaponry, but soldiers. that is very unlikely, is it not? >> well, good morning, neil and welcome back. >> thank you. >> she was extraordinary compelling, you know, showing obviously that the human element of this, especially with her three children there, but she also underscores a very significant geopolitical point, and also parallels with what the president said earlier, i don't need a ride out of here, i need ammunition and she's saying the same thing. so we're seeing that from everyday citizens in the street, all the way up to their senior leaders. i think that's significant and i think those stories are going to come out more and more, not only from a tactical nature, but from a strategic communication aspect of this.

i think that putin has bitten off more than he could chew. he's certainly off his timeline. he did not anticipate the resolve of the ukrainian people as we saw with the brief clip here, and we're going to hear more about that not only compelling, but i think it's going to be key in terms of how we move forward interest this point on. which is now the third day of the invasion. neil: general, there are reports that ukrainian president zelensky has made peace overtures or peace talk overtures to the russian, we understand yesterday, and that was quickly put down by some incredibly over the top crazy criticisms on the part of vladimir putin about zelensky and nazis and all of this nonsense, but that zelensky is open to talks. russian intermediaies said we'd be open as well, but the thing that came up is zelensky going to belarus to minsk for

the talks? could it be a potential russian trap, how do you feel about that? >> i think that president zelensky and his cabinet and family members staying in the capital is significant. i would not advise or expect him to go do some talks. i think-- i've been doing back-to-back media the last several days on ukraine and one of my earlier talking points early on was puth holds all the cards, not so fast. because four questions have been answered to me. number one, will the ukraine military fight? absolutely. second will the ukraine citizens come to arms and also support the military for democracy? >> yes. will zelensky, will he flee? no, he's staying put so he's in exactly the right place, certainly at the right time. the fourth question that's been answered for me, will n.a.t.o. remain unified so far. but my point is if i may briefly. zelensky is trying to hold high ground, it's a pushback to

putin with you, i'll negotiate with you in the face of invasion, and's he know the giving up and nor should we give up on him. neil: senator big haggerty will be joining us on the senate foreign relation commission and what more be coming, a lot more aid, is he open to it? depends how quickly they can get it out of after this. okt those changes to your financial plan. bill, mary? hey... it's our former broker carl. carl, say hi to nina, our schwab financial consultant. hm... i know how difficult these calls can be. not with schwab. nina made it easier to set up our financial plan. we can check in on it anytime. it changes when our goals change. planning can't be that easy. actually, it can be, carl. look forward to planning with schwab. schwab! ♪♪

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that putin had about 150,000 assembled, there were up to 200,000 in and around the large sort of 10-mile radius around the border, but it was probably 150,000, not all combat forces. if some of these numbers are true, about half of them have penetrated into the country and are in the country. what that could mean in the next step, anyone's guess. let's go to senator bill hagerty that sits on the senate foreign relations committee. very good to have you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> good to be with you, neil. here from cpac today. neil: got it, senator. we were speaking to a woman and she represents so many ukrainians and sheltered with her children and her husband is fighting on the front, so to speak and she wants immediate aid, but she wants military, she wants soldiers, n.a.t.o. to

realize the threat that's going on. that would appear very unlikely, but you would know more than i. what do you think? >> well, i certainly appreciate her sentiment. i think ukrainians feel very much left alone. a lot of tough talk, but not a lot of action. we had the opportunity, neil to impose sanctions on russia early on, we should have done this months ago, weeks ago, that would have deterrent. now we're talking about sanctions that may have some impact in terms of penalization. and what caused this, what participated it. the green options that the biden administration started in 2021, on the ail oil and gas and energy around here. and the windfall has come to putin and basically fueled the war machine that putin is now deploying on ukraine. i can understand why she's feeling vulnerable and left behind. neil: there are a lot of

republicans, maybe you were saying this at the time to implement the sanctions when he was building forces, it's a moot point now, senator, but i'm curious then, if the president does, you know, european arms to take russia out of swift and all of this, there are many people who feel these kind of actions, even the actions we're considering against the russians on energy is going to lead to higher prices still. and i'm wondering whether the senate, whether you in particular, are open to options to deal with that or whether there should be a push to drop the federal gasoline tax for states to drop the gasoline tax, their own gasoline tax to open up, you know, the strategic petroleum reserve. are you open to all of the above? >> what that indicates to me is the opening the oil preserve

and the drop the gas task, democrats realize they're coming into an election year. they should announce we're opening up the keystone pipeline, and drilling on federal lands and we need to be energy independent not just driving up prices around the world and fueling vladimir putin's war machine. neil: do you think, senator, whether gasoline and oil prices were high or not, that vladimir putin wouldn't have done this? in other words, they didn't rock it, that the currency uses to do what he does, but he was doing all this have and building and getting provocative in his actions long before any of that was going on. >> well, certainly we started the oil inflation early, early on in this last administration. if you look at what happened between putin and president biden along the way the very first negotiation was the new start treaty. the previous administration

held back on that start treaty we were trying to get more on it. and biden came in, five years or nothing. and the next thing russian hackers hit the colonial pipeline, zero consequences, instead 16 industries that putin should not attack and again, what sort of resolve does that demonstrate and nord stream two pipeline, these were congressionally mandate that had biden waived. neil: and senator, i understand where you're coming from, if you think about it, you can go back, you know, ever since the fall of the berlin wall and administrations that sort of guessed at vladimir putin and the russians in general wrong. you know, from-- i remember george w. bush saying he looked into his eyes and was hopeful that there's a chance for us to find common ground. putin took advantage of him. he took advantage of barack obama, and back and forth over

presidents of either party. is it safe to say to we, as a country, underestimated him and are ruing the day? >> neil, i think you're exactly right. this approach that you described has been quite naive and i don't know why people didn't wake up in 2014 when putin stepped in and took crimea. he's looking for weakness. your last guest likened him to a shark looking for blood in the water. after the fall of afghanistan he saw weakness on display like never before. en you've got putin stepping in and his friend, president xi standing and encouraging him. neil: senator, i know you're at cpac, let us know what's going on there from that conservative conference. and the independent-- i apologize, senator. and independent journalists in

ukraine, oolga, good to have you. i don't know what we can see in terms of aid for ukraine, we know that financial aid is coming, how do you think that that could change the picture if at all? >> definitely more military aid is coming and we heard it today. some news from europe, some european are stepping up military efforts to ukraine. and humanitarian is needed as well. woo we have a lot of refugees headed to the western border and other options to be considered. i know there's little appetite no-fly zone over ukraine and that would mean nato directly clashing with russian forces, but different options to be put on the table that were not on the table yesterday. neil: so military action may be, besides weaponry,

obviously, you can understand that the russian motive right now is to close off all foreign access points, not only to cut off people leaving, but aides presumably coming in. i wonder if no aide comes in, then what? >> well, hopefully that will not happen because if no aide comes in, it is a catastrophe, with the roads open, and up from the west towards the other parts of ukraine. and so, actually, i don't even want this kind of scenario this, would be terrible for people in ukraine and hopefully ukraine will not be left alone. we're seeing huge solidarity rallies around the world and european countries and people on the world are pushing pressure on their government

step up assistance to ukraine. it's not just ukraine's business, it's affecting the world security and should be conscious of that. neil: and please be staff and excellent reporting, and how it's going on. to lee carter, we know that prices from gas to oil, and we do know that inflation, and that pain at the pump and the pain at the grocery store, keep in mind ukraine being the bread basket for europe, wheat, corn, prices gone up double digits this past week, it sound like we better prepare ourselves for a lot higher prices. how is that going down among americans? >> look, i mean the concern about inflation was severe weather any of this happened. people were feeling pain every time they went to the grocery store, every time they'd pay their bills and something

building for months and it's only going to get worse, but in this moment i think our concerns are transcending our wallets. i think our hearts are breaking in any ways. how in this moment do we not question everything. when you look at zelensky on the streets fighting shoulder to shoulder with citizens and wearing street clothes, carrying guns, you can't just imagine what it's like, and i think what americans are hungry for right now is true leadership. there's one thing that unifies our nation more than anything else and that's when we see atrocities to humanity, a threat to democracy, a threat to freedom and republicans, democrats, everyone need to come together in this moment and say, enough is enough, and how do we question everything that that we can make the world a better place for all of us. looking at this and looking at the scenes, it's hard to complain about paying more for milk when you look at people fighting for their lives, a country where men can't leave, and families are being broken up and you see children hiding

in subways, it's unbelievable. so i think it gives us all a healthy dose to perspective are we going to fight about masks, inflation or come together to try to make our country a better place so we can be a beacon of hope around the world and i think this is a moment we have to question everything and i think we're going to see this isn't about blaming president biden, this isn't about blaming president trump before him. it's what can we do to make things better going forward. this is unacceptable, across the board, republicans, democrats, everyone agrees our hearts are breaking for the people of the ukraine we know there's got to be a better way. and our country comes through adversity and time to do it again. neil: and ukraine looking for more help from the international community and the time for cheap shots, there will be plenty of time after there were for tragedies like

9/11, and now is not the time. i wonder where you see this going though? because americans similarly when polled on the idea of having troops there, having american personnel there, in ukraine, they're overwhelmingly against it. do you see any chance of that changing? or is the view, look, it's not a nato country. if it were a nato country maybe none of this would have happened. that's a moot point at this point, but americans have clear distinctions between the economic fallout na you've pointed out, lee, and how far you go to deal with that. apparently, our troops there is going too far. >> yeah, i think most americans would agree it's not our place to go over there right now, but we want to see standing tough against this and that means every sanction, everything at our disposal and everything we can do to support the troops over there, as you know, you saw zelensky said, i don't want a ride, i want ammunition and

americans are saying we're going to help every way we can short of going and getting involved in the war ourselves. and what we're hungry for is leadership. the thing that the biden administration lacked, and a surprise to most people because there has always been empathy and seemed like one of us, not one of them, and since he's taken over the white house, people feel like he's not. 's been defensive. he's trying to say the economy has never been better and inflation is temporary and the americans aren't buying. he's got to stop and let knauss that he feels the pain and bring us together and show us a better way. i don't think that americans aren't going to want to send troops over there and haven't wanted to send troops abroad for a long time and that's not going to change. we want things to get better here, but we will be the kind of country that steps up and shows the way and it's a true beacon for hope and that's what we're looking for in this moment and across party.

it's not time for the republicans to blame democrats either. we want to road forward. a time for compromise and everybody to step up. neil: so if it's bad for the president to be oblivious to american's pain, it bad for the republicans to take cheap shot in an environment like this as well? >> there's no doubt about it. i mean, look, joe biden won this presidency because people had hoped that joe biden was going to bring something better, they were tired of the animosity and cheap shots. what they've seen things aren't gotten better since joe biden took over and now we're going to say who is going to make the difference today. we want to see a new kind of leadership. we want to go back to the way things were, we could compromise and come together and fight together. this isn't just as simple saying joe biden's presidency is really not going so well according to polls. so the republicans can take over. the republicans actually have to step up and say we have a

better answer. this is our path forward. look, the bottom line is this, people overall are disappointed in government as a whole. never seen such low trust in government agencies and the government as a whole in executive offices and institutions, so we're going to need to see that the republicans are going to show us there's a way to return trust to all that we hold so dear. neil: thank you very much. the former president of aa-- estonia is next. r an immediate cash payment. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized we needed a way to supplement our income. if you have $100,000 or more of life insurance, you may qualify to sell your policy. don't cancel or let your policy lapse without finding out what it's worth. visit coventrydirect.com to find out if your policy qualifies. or call the number on your screen. coventry direct, redefining insurance.

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>> i'm asking, i'm asking for military intervention. russia violated all our legal system, all international laws, all sorts of our international laws. don't please allow genocide to happen here. this is what they want to do this. they tried to do this in ukraine and ukraine millions of us were killed by starvation. neil: elena and a lot of talk about her, a tour guide in kyiv, trusted position of the ukrainian voice to the rest of the world and to tell you what's going on there and the horror, speaking from a shelter with her three young children and her husband is off fighting on the front, as they say, but this is at a time when they need help, they need military help, western military help, and it does seem to be forth coming in terms of military,

but time is of the essence. part of the plea, this will not end with my country, this will soon be coming to your country. that other soviet break away country. and joining us is he have the former estonia president, mr. president, thank you very much. this woman's plea to say it won't end with ukraine. do you agree with that? >> well, yes, to a degree i agree with that because it's quite clear that for vladimir putin, the west and liberal democracy with real elections and rule of law is something he detests. so, of course, my country and latvia and lithuania are. a

different position since we're members of nato and in that regard, far better off, unfortunately-- well, fortunately, than ukraine is, which is not a member. and we have been members for 18 years already. so where the difference is that an attack on ukraine is an attack on ukraine. an attack on my country would be an attack against all of nato and all of nato would respond and respond not only in my country, but would also respond all over the territory of the country to attack. so it wouldn't be really great for russia to attack us. but that was why we wanted to get into nato in the first place. neil: mr. president, what defines an attack? when vladimir putin wages cyber attack on your country back in

2007, it shut a lot of things down. would such a move now in this environment, where cyber attacks are deemed far, far more threatening than they used to be, would a cyber attack count as a spark to implement article five where one nato member is attacked and others say they have to attack back? >> well, since the warsaw summit, when nato adopted a new doctrine on this, a cyber attack is -- can be considered equivalent to a kinetic attack, that is guns, missiles. when we were attacked and we were fairly well shut down at the time, this was something that many countries, they wouldn't have known, frankly, if they had been attacked.

the only country that really understood what we were under was the united states which was sufficiently developed. i mean, one of the reasons we were attacked is because we're one of the most digitally advanced anywhere and one of the appropriate things to attack. today the situation is very different. we don't have a bunch of countries that have no clue about cyber issues. everyone is very well aware of them and in fact, with the change in the nato doctrine, which, excuse me, followed a similar decision by the united states already a year earlier, that not only would a cyber attack amount to an attack against the united states or now nato, but also, that the response need not be in the same domain. evening, a cyber attack does not have to be met with a cyber

attack, it can be met with a kinetic attack. so, we've made considerable progress in the 15 years since we were the first. neil: mr. president, estonia now has banned all russian airlines from its air space and other nato countries, at least a couple of doing that. are these actions where you isolate russia, where you make it impossible for banks to do well or to even survive or its energy industry. they might down the road to be affected, but right now they are not. you know, humbling or even remotely moving vladimir putin. so what do you make of their effectiveness? >> well, i think-- i mean, there are sanctions that will take a while to take effect. such as on high-tech imports. there are other sanctions that will kick in fairly quickly into the economy.

the united states is now sanctioned the central bank of russia, which means that as of the moment of that being announced, as with iran and with the other pariah state, north korea, they-- no western bank, no bank that wants to do business with the united states in any form can accept dollars from the russian central bank. and they largely hold u.s. dollars, so this is a significant sanction on the ability of the russian central bank to do any kind of transaction, which will hurt them personally from the minute that it was announced. >> finally, sir, you know, nato this week activated its response for the first time in its history. what next?

>> i didn't hear the question. neil: nato activated its response force as you know, the first time it's ever done that. >> yes. neil: calling it an emergency that must be addressed. when you activate forces it immediately conjures up the idea that you're going to use them for something. how do you and what do you think of what nato just did? >> well, they're for defense. nato is for defense. if you activate forces that means that it becomes much easier for troops to move quickly to my country or to poland or actually anywhere in the nato area. in the countries of the alliance. it does not mean they are going anywhere out of the territory of the alliance, but it makes it easier for the group to quickly go from one place to

another, in case, as the woman said at the beginning of are your broadcast, that well, other countries are next. so, but it's important to keep in mind, yes, we're close to russia, but so was berlin during the entire cold war. it was in fact surrounded by the pact. so proximity to russia is not going to do much. we've been there since 1949 and the creation of nato. neil: of course, berlin was cut in two, right? >> well, the three sectors of berlin that were not under communist domination were surrounded by soviet troops, basically. so today berlin, interestingly enough and the capital of my country are exactly the same

distance from kyiv today this evening. neil: mr. president, thank you for taking the time. the former president of estonia, kind enough to join us. right now, you know, when we step back from all of this and as the president pointed out we just don't know what comes next. you've already heard about how our markets had a child week this week and you know how badly down they were at the beginning of the week the first two days and turned around to essentially even money on the week, that you know and our exposure to that you know. i do want to concentrate as i get into my next financial guest, what happened to the russian market? it zoomed back yesterday and a lot of of people are intrerpting -- interpreting that maybe we're through the worst of it, the russian market which had been down 37% on thursday made back 21% yesterday and i find that

revealing because the ruble itself is in freefall at record lows, bounce back. if the stocks are bouncing back. is their market would end. and dan is here, ann, the chief investment officer. it's one thing what our markets did, i found is intriguing what russia's markets did. >> i think that's going to be just some volatility, neil, that remains a little counter intuitive at the time as the market tries to make sense of this. one thing worth looking at, russian bonds have been downgraded to junk status. at least in the credit market. we're seeing a lack of optimism around russian commerce and when it comes to the stock market. that 26 down is meaningful. i think that's what that is saying slate slightly that come

form of resolution will be found and that at some point markets have shown geopolitical risk tend not to hold the markets back in the end and some of that was priced in yesterday. >> one thing for sure, dan. that touches on exactly what ann is saying for now at least, and it could change. ukraine seems to be dictating market sentiment. better the more stable news out of there. the better for stocks and worrisome or talk of escalating tensions there, the worst for stocks. i'm wondering if that continues to be-- for now, ukraine because it's in with the inflationary arguments, if things get worse and out of control, what do you make of what will drive stocks in the near term? >> i think that stocks are going to be impacted by the headlines and certainly the big

headlines right now is what's going on with ukraine. you know, what's very interesting, here, neil, and you've said it many times that the stock market is not read or blue, it's green. in fact despite of a fact that putin is a morally bad guy and evil guy. the market looks at it and says how does that affect money? and i think what's happening right now, the market, whether it's in the u.s. or in russia, they're looking at this and saying you know what? these sanctions are pretty weak right now and things may not change all that much. so buyers coming back into the market for now. neil: yeah, i think you're right. we've got to get back where these guys are ap bringing money and they have interpreted the actions thus far, not too-- it could be a leap of faith, we'll see. i want your take on what the

markets are hoping for as well. that the federal reserve clearly aware of the inflationary spiral, and equally aware of what globally they could be going too far for the raise in interest rate. and the federal reserve will still hike interest rates to deal with inflation, but maybe not as much and maybe not as many. do you believe that? >> i think that's right. i think the pattern of behavior from the fed, neil, throughout the covid crisis, my what we'll see this year is be responsible to the data that presents itself, rather than too much what's going to happen with uncertainty. i think there had been a market view that the fed was going to raise rates rapidly, up to 11 times and i think there are expectations that that will slow. ultimately the impact on

russia, the efficacy on that is dependent on what europe does. europe is the biggest trading partner when it comes to natural resources with russia and europe has the keys to this and the market needs to understand what europe is going to do. and the u.s. seems to have done as much as it can. and this is increasingly a problem that need to be resolved overseas so i think it's partly the fed, partly the fact that there need to be a more global set of more stringent actions before we see another big news in the market. >> thank you. dan, quickly. despite the success, plain-clothed people taking over and if there was a puppet government. how would the market deal with that?

>> i think the markets will be fine with that, neil, the reason i say that, is as we're watching things play out right now, putin is not going after infrastructure to really disrupt what is post-russia-ukraine country will look at. so he's going to try to return things to normal and again, the markets are about the money. so, if things go back to normal with minimal disruption in spite of what happens to the ukrainian people, the market will return. neil: final word on that, dan, i want to thank you and thank you very much. let's get a read on what's going on in ukraine and in the western portion of ukraine. mike tobin is there. mike, what can you tell us? >> well, you're going to pardon the top of the shot here, night has fallen and we had to adjust our shot, and think world war ii blackout, and we can't be

blasting a lot of light out from our position at a time like this, but with night falling, thus far, since the invasion, nightfall has proceeded, fresh fighting, so far the russians have not been able to make the kind of grounds anticipated. and they don't control any population centers, they do not have air superiority and the ukrainian forces have infrastructured command and control. it been largely east of kyiv, but the air strikes throughout the nation. on the west, a lot of activity is refugees trying to get to safety. in the city of lviv where i'm lo kated, there were people trying to get on buses, and they were once again alerted by air raid sirens. all right, i was hoping we would have some sound we could play of that for you. also, the key importance of the west here is going to be with the supply line.

as you have russian forces coming from the north, from the east, coming from the south. the polish government has-- the defense minister announced that a convoy filled with ammunition has already made it to the ukrainian fighting forces and they announced that with a show of solidarity for the ukrainians and the belgium government has reportedly sent fuel and machine guns to the people out here in ukraine and the western part of the country, the mayor of the town of lviv telling the civilian population, the soldiers are going to need fight for the defense of the nation, you're going to need to fight for the defense of the city. he toll them, keep calm and make molotov cocktails, neil. neil: mike tobin, thank you very much. great reporting. let's go to william taylor, the former ambassador to ukraine. ambassador, the russians had bumps along the way and others

say they have an overwhelming advantage, half of their gowned ground force is in ukraine and what do you think of this band now? >> i think the big story is the resistance that the ukraines are putting up in spite of, in face of the overwhelming force that the russians are putting together. the russians are having difficulty and the ukrainians are fighting hard and winning in several places and they're blocking the movement of these forces. of the military forces coming down from the north in particular. but in the other direction as you pointed out. president zelensky, i'm sure surprised president putin and the world, but particularly president putin who thought all of this force and military capability would intimidate,

would press president zelensky into some kind of caving or compromise. it hasn't. so the big story is the strength of the ukrainian both leadership and people. neil: so ambassador, there's always talk of possible peace talks. i don't know where that realistically stands. president zelensky says he's open to them. 's been advised increasingly don't leave the country for them. and i'm wondering the likelihood of that in this environment the way it stands now? >> it's up to president putin. president zelensky indicated he's willing to talk. he's always been willing to talk, he's never been willing to give up the ukraine sovereignty or what the people have. ap he's been willing to talk, the west as well. united states, nato countries

and it's aup to president putin. despite head fakes and lies earlier on that he would be willing to have the conversation. it's up to him to call it off. >> you know, ambassador, the feeling was that vladimir putin felt free to make this move against ukraine because it's not a nato member. that's what you hear from leading and former leaders of the fellow break away republicans, and like estonia, that putin would be unlikely to stage attack on a nato member. do you believe that snfrment absolutely, nato is incredible and showing itself to be credible with all the support it's giving to ukraine, including from like the lithuania and estonia. the polls are strong.

and i think is that nato has been revived. president putin unified ukraine against him. they now hate him, and generations before there's a relationship between the ukrainians and russians. but president putin strengthened nato. i believe that streety is a strong deterrent to russia. >> so that might be at hope and obviously they're united in that and saying the right things, but nato wasn't unanimous on going too far on some economic sanctions as you know, sir, again taking russia out of the swift international banking system, and germany, an a couple of other members did. that's not per se a nato matter, but it is in the sense it compels the country to do something.

not all of nato is speaking with the same voice. it could hurt them, like germany, maybe not. >> germany is a very good example, neil. you're right, they hesitated. they recognized their hesitation in the face of the rest of the alliance, most of the rest of the alliance and you've seen them take some stuff and the germans cut off nord stream two. >> i think you'll see, in the next couple, in the next day or so, the move by swift by europe and the united states. and there was some hesitation from our allies, the allies are coming around. >> the idea of russians in the

security. so i think you're seeing the isolation of russia and president putin is a pariah. neil: he's been a pariah, he's more of a pariah, hell bent on doing what he wants to do. are you concerned that if he were to take over ukraine, he'll keep doing it. >> not only, you're right. could go further. and it's why it's important to keep him, and president putin, and ukraine doesn't want to be there. so it's very important that ukraine does not go into the russian sphere if it does then russia would be no doubt. neil: ambassador, thank you very much. the former ambassador to ukraine and appreciate that very much, sir. your nonstop coverage continues

throughout the day here and we're waiting for still more move on the parts of countries, cities, and entertainment juggernauts and sports facilities to keep russia from playing a part, sports, president putin, you're not invited. >> fox news alert, right now, 7 p.m. and curfew time in kyiv where everyone is now under shelter order while their nation is under siege. ukraine's president zelensky putting it bluntly, this is the deciding moment the fate of ukraine's capital city right now. hello, aim he sandra smith from new york. neil: i'm john roberts in washington. and the troops are on a