>> explosions rocking ukraine capital, kyiv, short time ago and we are capturing it now. russian forces are bearing down on ukraine second largest city, car keys. it's nighttime already come at 7:00 p.m. as we start this hour. russian and ukrainian negotiators are holding their first toxins the war began. they were going to do that along the border. that process has begun. this is "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. i'm joined today by my amp

cohost, emily compagno. and in for kayleigh is kennedy. along with kennedy and general keith kellogg is kayleigh mcenany. the two sides are reportedly to meet at the polish belarus border in the coming days. all of this has the united states condemns a vladimir putin for putting his nuclear forces on high alert. ukrainian people continue to put up a fierce fight. russian forces have failed to take any of their major cities. trey yingst is live in a car key for there few major explosions recently. >> there was just a massive explosion in downtown kyiv. i think we have some video captured by my cameraman, he saw a flash on the skyline and we are getting reports that surface to air defense systems were used

often the distance has the ukrainians appeared to be trying to take down a russian jet that conducted this air strike. this is preliminary information but early reports indicate this russian air strike targeted a military center just southeast of the city. this is significant as the day has been quite calm. there were civilians in the street at the ukrainian capital, they came up from underground work they spent the night in bomb shelters. the city is about to go back into curfew at this hour. right now there are concerns that the russians are looking to surround the capital of kyiv. u.s. defense officials warning about earlier today. imagine the peace talks that took lace today between the ukrainians and russians along the border with belarus. this happened yesterday as volodymyr zelensky and the president of belarus. now it also follows a call between the president of russia,

vladimir putin, and the french president, a manual mike rohn. this really gives you some info that it's critical that we talk about peace in this conflict. vladimir putin once multiple things from the ukrainian in order to stop its invasion into the country. two of those agenda items have to do with the militarization of ukraine and also recognizing an area of land called crimea that was annexed in 2014. two things that were likely to not happen here in ukraine. back to you. >> thank you very much pair that video reminds us of how many places civilians are in harm's way. kayleigh, i want to talk to you about this idea of russia targeting civilians. how much pressure they are willing to put on away from military targets. it's heartbreaking. >> it is grotesque. we know schools have been had. schools are being targeted, contrary to what we are being told. i wonder, maybe general kellogg would know better than me on

this, i want to know the reaction of russian forces. apparently russia is being told we are not in war. putin is saying this is denazification, his word. some think they are going to be welcomed as liberators like the ukrainians want this. they are shocked when they are experiencing fierce resistance. people are being targeted, including the children get i would how long this will hold up. i'm not even sure some of the russian troops will stand for this. do they want to be accused of war crimes when this is all over? indeed they will they will. >> when i talked with taylor last hour he said the world has the appetite to see that the repair that's not a hollow threat for putin, that's his reality. this could be the end of everything for him. when they start to pursue him. i do want to ask this as we are looking at these pictures. you mentioned general kellogg so let's pull him in. how would you describe how the

russians on the ground are moving right now? >> well, hi, harris, i don't think they are doing very well at all. they are being, they are slow. they are following a tactile called ifr. i kind of wish we had our forces up against them because we would have eliminated them almost immediately. the ukrainian resistance has been incredibly strong and pushing them back. i think they thought they were going to be in kyiv in a relatively short period of time to be able to decapitate the government and they've been totally unable to do that. it does start to stress them to a large degree. you can only keep troops moving like that so long that so far before they start questioning what's going on and what is happening. what's be seven sad a while ago about russian soldiers, i think their leadership is starting to say what is going on. you see some of the body language out of their defense

secretary, they're probably thinking this isn't going like we thought it was going to go. were having some real problems. it's embarrassing the russian army to the rest of the world. they are looking at this like these guys aren't 10 feet tall, they are not 8 feet tall, they are about 3.5. they are not performing well at all. these are their front line. these are not units that are reserve units, they are all high-end units. it's big that's important. part of this, i know jennifer griffin reported with me a few days ago that this would be about a third of the number of armed forces that russia would have. what you're saying is that absolutely matters which ones you sent in first and what you told us later. if you are following roads, that ifr, that it's easier to fight. you know where they are going. we have to start to wonder about those unconfirmed reports. but there were so many of them of russians hitting the beach a few weeks ago and asking for

directions. if any of that folklore is factual and there is evidence of that, even your best is not very good. >> you know, harris, i really mean this about the russian army. does a lot of us watching going boy, we've heard so many stories about the russian army, this reminds me what we were told about the iraqi army before the first desert war, these guys being 10 feet tall, they fought the iranians, they were nothing. you will get the russian army right now, there is a lot of people going we were really afraid of these guys? i'm sure there are senior leaders are saying the same thing. they are embarrassed by it. frankly they are getting -- they are being handed a lot of problems. i didn't say what i was going to say. >> yeah, i know. [laughter] we appreciate that, general. >> emily, your topline thoughts that i. >> general, i'm curious on your feedback from this, we now know about 9:45 a.m. eastern time this morning that ukrainian

president zelenskyy and vladimir putin of russia are in their third rounds of peace talk negotiation. this is on the heel of zelenskyy singh these next 24 hours would be crucial. it's amazing, his address when he says i planned to become a president i said each of us is the president. he went on to say because we are all responsible for our state, for our beautiful ukraine. now it happens that each of us is a warrior. along the backdrop of this incredible resistance some of the ukrainians have been putting forth what are your thoughts on his definition of power and his leverage as he entered these peace talks with the russian representative, who said they will only resume if their needs are unconditionally met. >> yeah, emily, thanks, you know what? i want zelenskyy on my team. is a great, charismatic leader. i kind of hope he went to the talks in belarus and he was willing to accept russia's surrender. that's the attitude scott and i

think it's great. it's not the size of the dog in the fight that counts, it's the size of the fight and the dog. they are showing incredible bravery, incredible fortitude. it's all based on president zelenskyy. when president zelenskyy set i don't need it in air ride, i need ammunition. a kind of set the tone. that tone is critical. there's an old aphorism that says -- what that means is the heart of an army sometimes means more than the physical part of the army, the physical equipment you have. if you are willing to fight to the bitter end you can destroy a lot of forces much greater than you are. we've proven that in american history as well and some of our battles. so i think when you look at what zelenskyy is done and you look at what he's pushed back on, that's the reason i think that if i was russia i'd be very concerned right now. in my opinion, today, rush is losing this fight. there's a lot of reasons for losing it, but they are showing

the whole world that they can be beat. he's proven it today. >> last hour you are with me, general kellogg, and we were talking about the southern border. one of the things bill hemmer pointed out is that if the russians could take one part of that country in the southern side heat they can connect the breakaway republic, which gives them more of a wall and the base. you know reports their soldiers being hungry, you have to have access -- that's what belarus has been for them. it's an access to supplies. >> it seems like belarus is really the only winner here. they are up a puppet state of russia, they are now the go-between the propaganda arm and russia is using them as a mediator. but really they are truly an extension of the crime then. and also not to be trusted. but it's interesting, because if somehow this all works out and vladimir putin does in fact have

a cohesive end game, and he takes ukraine, he now has five new nato neighbors. think about that. is god moldova, romania, slovenia, poland, he's got all of these new enemies that are part of an alliance regardless of how you feel about nato. and he's lied to the russian people. he's obviously lied to the military. i think he's lying to himself that there is going to be a positive outcome here. it just makes you wonder what has his end game been all along? because everyone has been wrong about this. especially trying to read what is doing, what is going, and wise doing it. it's big about such a great point. secretary wright told me on "fox news sunday" that this is the put and she's always known. we don't know is i'm game, we also don't really know this version of him. so it is hard to predict.

it was congressman brian of florida last hour who talked about putting militarized zone when this whole thing comes to an end. he was at least optimistic that we were headed in that direction. i wonder what that would look like. we do have to basically do what we did in south korea and north korea times all of those countries the you talked about. >> end of my remaining people. my thoughts are obviously with everyone in the region. stuart varney just a little while ago, we saw the mother on the bomb shelter with her three children. you think about those incredible stories. the other thing that worries me is but his nuclear team on high alert. what is he going to strike first? is going to strike his enemies? is he going to use nuclear devices on ukraine? >> well, emily, people in the

streets of moscow are risking their lives just to protest, we don't know how the inner circle feels about putin right now. we don't know if he's going to be sitting there doing this. we have no idea what they will do politically over there. we'll continue to cover it, let's go. coming up, but we put and apparently didn't factor this into his plan. as kennedy was just saying, we all have the ukrainian people from beauty queens, to newlyweds, the president are helping their outcomes military take the fight to the russian war machine. >> at first we were scared, really square down mike scared. now we are ready to fight. and fight like. veteran homeowners, need a financial boost? the newday 100 va loan lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value

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ukrainian to bring victory and freedom. >> we are ready to die for the safety and freedom in the defense of ukrainians. >> you can see their will to fight to the end. ordinary ukrainians are doing whatever they can to defend their home and family. as putin's forces have failed to take control of the cities despite being far better equipped, the ukrainian army holding their ground with the help of u.s. antitank weapons are the killer drones supplied by a turkey. ordinary citizens are being handed ak-47s as they join the front line and with help of instructions by state tv ukrainians by the thousands are making their own molotov cocktails to thwart the enemy. millions are taking inspiration from the president who had stayed behind to fight the invaded russians. kennedy, your thoughts? >> this is an element of the conflict people didn't anticipate.

that was the heart and resolve of the ukrainian people. you know don't forget that they've been at this long before 2014, they've been expecting this imminently for the past eight years. so they have their own identity. they don't want to be part of russia. to be ukrainian mean something to them that is so deep that very few people can identify with that. but it's really incredible to see some of the stories. obviously you don't want untrained civilians with powerful weapons in harm's way, you want to reduce the loss of life, obviously. i have to say this, we have to hope for a peaceful resolution soon. >> end, general, i want to hear your take on this specific tactic being deployed. ukrainians have been urged to remove road signs and land markers to confuse invading russian forces. the call was posted by the military of defense twitter

account of fighting around the ukrainian capital city intensified. were hearing this alongside stories of a russian tank running out of gas, ordinary ukrainians in the thick of it. taunting the russian soldier to kennedy's point their heart is larger-than-life, general. >> it is, emily. do you have to just have absolute admiration for the way ukrainian citizens are doing this. i want them on my side. when this thing is done, and hopefully they are successful about repelling the invaders, we ought to offer them nato membership of the first day. it's incredible when you see the spirit of the people. they are using everything they've got in their hands to remove roadsides. they are road bound, we know that. they're not just performing, as i thought a big army wed. we were talking a couple of months ago about the attack

coming when the fields are frozen and it's easier for tanks to move, that hasn't happened at all. these guides are setting themselves up as a huge target. in the spirit of the people it's actually amazing. the stories you've heard during the blitz in london when they were so determined to push back on the. you see the same thing. these are hardy people, they are great people. they deserve every bit of our support in the days ahead. >> on the world really is supporting them as there's been demonstrations throughout the world supporting ukraine, recognizing that spirit, recognizing that hard. it's been called the tracksuit resistance. many in track suits grabbing ak-47s and taking on the advancing russian army. >> it's amazing, it's inspiring, it reminds me of what we saw on snake island with 13 ukrainian

soldiers standing up to the russian warship. apparently they did not die, they are in russian hands right now. those 13 courageous ukrainians. look, emily, you have a people at the president -- i think that second part is important. i don't know if you see this level of resistance without a president and a leader like zelenskyy. think about what happened when johnny left afghanistan it was quickly after that demoralized afghan army lay down their weapons. in this case you have a president who stayed, who is target number one. has chosen to stand courageously fight alongside his people. apparently there is a meeting on february 24th, and emergency meeting of the european union. this was how it was described, zelenskyy's intervention in that meeting will be part of history said in a official in the room. leaders were deeply affected by his speech.

germany -- switzerland finally sank were getting involved here. all of this happening because one man chose to exhibit courage. one man choose to stand for as country and a ten minute speech. i have such admiration for zelenskyy. >> i think the world does as well, kayleigh. were seeing an example of a leader and, unfortunately it's a tragic circumstance. but it's really been amazing to see the level of inspiration. the elderly people all over ukraine are joining the fight with hard. president boudin live it over the slow progress of his military's advance. u.s. official raising alarms over his mental health, calling him unhinged. >> let's get started

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associated press, more than 500,000 ukrainian refugees have fled to e.u. countries since russia invaded. those people are piling into any kind of transportation they can find, some even walking to countries like poland. live in lviv with more on the refugee crisis. >> as putin picks up his indiscriminate attacks on civilians we are starting to see that exit is increased. we were at the train station today and we saw some heartbreaking scenes. >> the train stations here are crushingly full. getting on a train is almost impossible. some of been waiting for a day, some longer. tickets are no good anymore. it is just a mass of people desperately trying to save themselves and their families. .

there are women and children being called forward because there's not enough men to get to get on. there are many people who simply will not get out. speak of these people and hundreds of thousands of like them are on the move fleeing death and destruction for an uncertain future. >> we left everything. we just need to run away. >> they've left their homes, their jobs, their memories, fling with only the things they can carry on their backs. most don't know her they are going. there's been a massive outpouring of support for fleeing ukrainians, countries are opening their borders and rallying to get help. many cannot get out and only see one way to end this. >> kill him. >> cash and medical supplies are dwindling in ukraine as there is a desperate appeal for people to donate and bring more support.

that's why the u.s. as the number of refugees could reach 5 million. kayleigh. >> thank you, benjamin, stay safe. russia's president, vladimir putin, is rampaging about the west's empire of lies as worldwide sanctions have caused the report the cat, crashed, forcing banks to raise interest rates by 20%. putin is furious his war in ukraine has been met with unexpected resistance. he's now dramatically escalated everything with tensions by ordering russian nuclear forces to be put on high alert. harris, you had a fantastic interview over the weekend on fox news sunday with condoleezza rice where she noticed some changes she's seen in putin. let's play that tape. >> i met with him many times. this is a different putin. he had that tough veneer. he was always calculating and cold. but this is different.

he seems erratic. there is an ever deepening the delusional rendering of history. he's descending into something that i personally haven't seen before. >> wow, it's quite a change. >> you know, kayleigh, what's really fascinating is talking about what is life must be like right now and how isolated he has. not just from the pictures, because we don't know what we are seeing when we see them alone at the end of a long table in the two people in uniform at the other. we don't know what's gone on in that room previously are what is coming up, but we do know that like many leaders around the world he might not be on the cell phone. they don't even want that for a u.s. president for security reasons, but is not connected to the internet. his information, according to secretary rice, in general has to come from the people around him. it has to feed, as she sighed, paranoia to this president who's gone to war exactly what is

people are thinking and how much power he really does retain over them went thousands are risking their lives, as they are in the streets willing to die getting out the where the russians don't want this war. we don't want our president to have invaded another sovereign nation. signs of no more war in the windows are getting people arrested for just those signs. so he's being fed a whole bunch of information that even our intelligence i don't think has yet had access to. so how paranoid is he? and he's got nuclear weapons. how does that inform him? i do want to get to this quickly. were talking about the ukraine and russia talks. this is just come from the white house, she sang the ukrainian government is telling hard that negotiations have descended, now they will return to those capitals for consultations. there were three rounds of talk

so far, no tangible results. they agreed to meet again on the belarus and poland border after consultations. you have a bit of communication going on between ukraine and russia. so far it's not yielding much. you know the other thing is the letter that up and said come and i want to get to that, they sent a letter from ukraine to our u.s. congress just a short time ago. they need ata guided weapons, stingers, small arms, grid related launchers, which were to be delivered to the evan gattis and by the united states. all kinds of communication, portable radio sets, body armor combat helmets. i'm giving to you as it's coming to fox news. they have a list of things in ukraine that they need to keep fighting. we've already noted, kennedy did this so beautifully, while they fight the military they will get help from the rest of the world, they have an unanticipated amount of people who are going to fight civilians.

>> i really hope they get the equipment they are asking for, harris. general cara kellogg, harris brought up a really good point in the middle of that, that this is a nuclear power. we depend on other nuclear powers to be rational state actors, understanding cost-benefit analysis, understanding mutually assured destruction. i worried that a lot of the changes in putin, take take a this. julien turner has aggregated some commentary from world leaders across the globe. you have emmanuel macron saying he's more rigid, more isolated. you have the check president calling him a mad man, the finnish president, there is been a change in his behavior. president obama called him out of touch, increasingly unhinged. the list goes all the way to h.r. mcmaster saying putin is no longer a rational actor. is that the case? >> you know, kayleigh, i sat there 18 different phone calls with president trump and

vice president mike pence with putin. he's a different guy. he seems really strange. we were told early on that is fatal flaw was he did not understand the left. when he was in the kgb he only spent one tour of duty outside of russia, that was in east germany. he really doesn't understand the west at all. i think that's being proven right now. when he starts going raising his readiness level on his weapons, bouts -- our devcon system is one through five. five is nothing, generally we are for. the only time we've gone to three was during 9/11. we went to number two during the cuban missile crisis. he's done something like that which is rational, we ought to respond in kind to his response. we have to pick up the phone and hotline and in the pentagon and call up his russian generals and say you know we are going from

florida standard three. just tell them we are raising the stakes. you want to go all in, we will go all. we have a lot more nukes with our allies than you have. his behavior is beginning to get erratic. by the way i want to go back just for a second to something you said earlier, in 2019 item chance to meet zelenskyy with vice president fence when we went for a world war ii celebration. i came out saying this is the kind of guy you want to beer with. when we back and told president trump this is a good guy. you could see that back then. he's proven that. he's a wartime commander. that's what president biden needs to be right now. whether he likes it or not, he's a wartime commander. >> to that end, emily, tomorrow is a massive day not just for the country by the world will be watching when president biden gives the state of the union. he wanted to use this as a pivotal moment. low approval rating, 37% for "the washington post" and abc. it's going to take on a

different trend in the wake of this crisis. speak of the world is watching for them to rise to that occasion and be the general in chief, to be the leader that we are seeing across the globe. i also want to touch that the world the reaction beer that you president said that putin has embarked on a path to destroy ukraine paid what is also doing is destroying the future of his own country. on the heels of germany taking a dramatic shift in response to this entire situation where they have increased their countries to defense spending. then the e.u. has announced it will finance and deliver weapons, even fighter jets, to ukraine. this is a watershed move for the block and is some unprecedented. these are significant changes and reactions that countries are undergoing right now in reaction to putin. the whole point is he's not only

been surprised by ukraine, but by the world's reaction, which is fortify their solidarity with ukraine in the position they will not let this stand. >> yeah, i just wish we would've seen that solidarity a lot sooner. a staggering humanitarian crisis as thousands of ukrainians are driven out of their homes by russian invasion. next we hear from people on the ground of their emotional please for help. their only friend? the open road. i have friends. [ chuckles ] well, he may have friends, but he rides alone. that's jeremy, right there! we're literally riding together. he gets touchy when you talk about his lack of friends. can you help me out here?

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of men aged 15-60 from fleeing the country. there is heart breaking scenes like this little boy crying for the dad he had to leave behind. >> about president zelenskyy, he -- >> even more heartbreaking as some of these victims are children, here are images of -- this may be the mother of a girl of a woman killed during shelling. the deputy mayor of kyiv sharing a picture of this girl that was shot and killed by russians while in a car with her parents. her parents were also reportedly killed. kayleigh, this is tragic is tragic. >> it makes my stomach churn,

emily. the young girl he mentioned to come of the 6-year-old, apparently she had on unicorn pajamas that were staying to read. doctors were working on her trying to bring her back to life with oxygen. there is father coddling her, praying over her. the doctor said to the ap photographer, show this to putin. the eyes of this child and crying doctors. "outnumbered" not as head kindergartens and nurseries. i think we have an image of him at the long table at the crowd, kremlin, lavish surroundings. he is apparently terrified of covid so he's at this long table protecting himself while killing children just over the border. this man is a terrorist and a war criminal. we should describe him in these no uncertain terms. >> general? >> yeah, you look at that going on. those kids are heartbreaking. war itself is terrible. i've lived through this, lived through wars and when you see

civilian casualties like that it breaks your heart. thus the reason i was in washington today, you see russian rockets going to the heart of the city, that's a war crime. noncombatants should be subjected to that. they are doing it deliberately. to me when i look at "outnumbered" and saying okay, you're a war criminal peer that's very clear to me. by the way, you're a military advisor, you are a work criminal peer the defense minister, you are a war criminal. you start deploying weapons of mass destruction into cities that say clear violation of the law of warfare. is terrible it, it breaks my heart. it also creates terrible resolve among those civilians in the city. they will fight to the bitter end. he's made enemies of not 1 million or 2 million, but 40 million. >> that's exactly right. we've been mentioning this morning the footage from alina

jimenez, you'd the ukrainian mother of three who has been conducting interviews with fox news and fox business. that's watch what she has to say and i'll get your thoughts on the other side. >> i cannot take the weapons but i would take the guns. otherwise i don't see how we can stop this. >> now sandra smith asking when you last saw -- >> it's tragic. you look at that little girl in the pajamas and not once a thing that softens the result of the ukrainian people this is something that steals their result. this is emblematic for them at a child's what vladimir putin will do. it's also trying to gaslight, but nobody believes him.

i think one of the problems is they know this is wrong. they know they are doing the wrong thing. and he's a sick sociopath who is backed himself into a corner. my worry is you think he is committed war crimes already, he's about to say hold my vodka and is about to lean on the chemical weapons on god forbid nuclear weapons. you know that's terrifying prospect. >> protesters taking to the streets in cities across the world in solidarity with the ukrainian people calling for an end to putin's invasion. that support a showing no signs of slowing down. >> by ourselves and a building in kyiv in ukraine. the apartment building got hit by about 5 miles away from her.

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braving riot police to protest putin's invasion. amazing. kayleigh come all come to you first with your topline thoughts. >> especially these russian protesters it's incredible to me. jonathan hurt so let's not forget to praise these thousands of russian protesters who've come out and been arrested. nearly 20 years in jail under those laws because they've taken to the street to stand in solidarity with their neighbors, good for them. >> if they make it there. let's not forget this is a country of the poisons and kills people who have a dissenting view of things. general? >> yeah i think we owe a debt of thanks to president putin. thank you for showing us what a thug you are, thank you for showing us how your army really isn't that good of an army. thank you for showing us what a population like ukraine fights back on. thank you for showing us that

the world can come together in solidarity. thank you for bringing germany back into the fold of nato, they are finally going to put 2% of gdp against it like they agreed to back in 2014. just thank you for all of that and showing us that you really are a pariah and your nation is a pariah. all of his senior officers, his generals, ought to realize that. that's what you've done. he's brought the world together to show how despicable he has and how despicable his offered is in ukraine. you may not have realized what you've done, but for that i give you a set of thanks. >> wow, kennedy? >> there are people in this world who love human life, they do. they love their country, they love people they have never met. i will hope and rely on them for moving this conflict to a more peaceful resolution. >> you still have family, some

in romania today? >> loosely asked. my mom came over escaping the soviet communist come i don't have a great deal of love for people like vladimir putin who are trying to get the band back together. people have been through a pandemic. people in that part of the world suffer from ancestral pain and you have activated that in ways you could never imagine. you have no empathy. shame on you, god bless them. >> emily? >> we know police thus far have detained over 350 russians over 32 cities. this was from yesterday. i had a conversation with the general down mark gentleman from russia who has since emigrated here. he says the dominant feeling of his family is confusion. it was as if new york and new jersey, we don't understand putin come he doesn't reflect who we are or our values. he says i don't recognize this. >> one of the things secretary condoleezza rice told me yesterday on fox news sunday was

that putin has made a miscalculation taking that because of origin they are all the same. they've all had generations now -- they've had years to become the great people that they are. so when he tried this with georgia bryce said he did things they are definitely paired they pushed back in different ways. but now he has unhinged. for certain. the world is pushing back. more "outnumbered" in a moment. why do people who live with generalized myasthenia gravis want a new treatment option?

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secretary rice said to remind you of reagan's words, but he wants to solidify the bonds with the west. tonight, be sure to tune in at 11:00 p.m. eastern. benjamin hall will anchor live from western ukraine. now to "america reports." >> thank you, harris, and a fox news alert to kick off "america reports." a new explosion in the past hour or so in kyiv as ukrainian and russian diplomats wrap up the first round of peace talks. no break as putin's brutal invasion is in the fifth day. >> sandra: