to the innocent, men, women and children fighting for their country against all odds. the loss of life of innocent people. we pray about all of them tonight. tomorrow state of the union we are on later. and trump on wednesday see you nen. destroyed. [gunfire] >> laura: i am laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle." the war for ukraine as russian forces are bringing their full force to bear. after what look like a major miscalculation regarding the right result of the ukrainian people, russian forces, not

surprisingly, are changing their tactics. reports now they are engaging in far more ruthless attacks including civilian targets. heavy artillery thing reported in residential areas tonight. and that russian convoy that you seen inching its way to the capital city thought to be about 17 miles long, guess what? it is measuring 40 miles long and includes hundreds of tanks and military vehicles caring what? we don't know. we will bring you the latest on this escalating conflict throughout the hour with reporters on the ground who are stationed in cities across ukraine. we start with box trey yingst in kyiv and how close is the convoy tonight? >> laura, some extremely concerning images coming out today about this convoy. russian troops and artillery unit tanks headed towards the capital city of kiev. the estimates put it at 17 miles away from the city limits. if they make it here all

intentions, it appears they will come it will be quite a bloody urban battle. the pentagon warning about this today and every u.s. defense official basically said the plan of russian president putin is to surround the city and ultimately tried to change the government here. so really, caught in the cross fire at this hour. all night you have heard sirens, explosions in the distance as russian missiles limited to not only military targets but civilian targets. this weekend for an apartment building hit killing two people. the ukrainian health ministry said 350 have been killed since the invasion started. you see the images, the hospital filled with women and children trying to get away from the russian bombing. and the work of one mother standing up tonight and listen to what she had to say. >> we are running out of food. local charities will bring some. we are waiting and hope they will bring a spread, essentials

for four children. >> bread and juice for children is what civilians need. other civilians need weapons and ammunition. they are pledging to fight back against the russians. there were talks in belarus along the border with ukraine. the russians and ukrainians meeting since the first time this conflict began. the difference in the two sides with the russians showing up with suits and ties and ukrainians in battle fatigued. >> laura: trey unfolding humanitarian crisis with poland, which will be covering as well. stay safe. my next guest currently in the outskirts of the city. we will not say exactly where he has four security concerns but some of his family, they had to stay behind. 20 may now, i know your parents are not with you and they are still in kyiv tonight? >> hi, everyone, yes, my parents

are still in kyiv and staying there in kyiv. not more that i can say. every night, into the bombshell and definitely very, very bad and it is going to be worse and worse every day. my cousin who was actually a couple days away managed to escape and he escaped under the rockets from his apartment. and he was sitting in the bombshell in the building. so you can imagine the atmosphere was. >> laura: how concerned are you and the family members that you are able to keep in touch with the targeting of civilians

by putin given the fact that he has met up against serious resistance. i think surprising resistance from their calculations. how concerned are you about civilians and the death of civilians, which we do understand tonight are mounting? >> very concerned of the deaths. because i think reached on the north. he lost his mind and he cares about the innocent -- he doesn't care about the innocent and it doesn't care about ukrainian pes people as well. so i'm very concerned. because if you could mention more than 20 -- in cities across

the country were killed. every day it starts and i just called my parents and asked. we are alive. that is a good signal. that is the first question i ask, "are you alive?" you can imagine what it means and actually, we are not in the worst year. we are actually not in the worst position. there are people way worse, for example, you have been showing what has happened overnight in kharkiv as well as kyiv. >> laura: and serge, serge, just for our edification tonight, you are not leaving ukraine, correct? you intend to stay in ukraine? where are you trying to -- >> correct. i'm not trying to move out of ukraine. >> laura: what do you think is

next year, i mean, given how fast this has escalated? a lot of people never thought that putin would go for kyiv. where do you think it ends? >> i think it will end, it will end with the full collapse of russia. in ukraine will win. >> laura: serge thank you for joining us tonight and i hope your family and you are able to stay safe. keep updated if you can. marco rubio vice chair of intel. senator over the weekend, putin ordered nuclear forces to be on high alert. aunt biden was asked about this today. watch. >> mr. president should americans be worried about nuclear war? >> no. >> laura: senator, is that a quick "no" from biden. should he be this confident given how precarious what we

seen in the ground in ukraine tonight? >> and a reason to panic but we are on the verge of nuclear exchange of ipm. but i think it bears watching. this is my personal view. this is not the same putin of five or ten years ago. this guy's entire legitimacy and russia, his argument that '90s, he restored russian with great global power status and now facing the prepoll of the economy. what is facing russia's economy over the next few days is cataclysmic and add to that the humiliation on the battlefield they have faced so far. keeping the russia public. you see a guy facing circumstances that he needs to reverse quickly. he needs to reestablish some level of power balance for the west before he can even think about what to do. he doesn't have a lot of tools to do would accept cyber my may be space warfare, ratcheting up whatever monstrosities he will commit in ukraine and

technical battlefield and russia's doctrine to escalate or de-escalate using tactical nuclear weapons. i'm not arguing they are on the verge of doing that bad a guy in that condition with that mind-set in charge, you will get a different decision from him today than you would have ten years ago. and something to keep an eye on. >> laura: senator rubio, i know you got out of an intel briefing on monaco and a lot of stuff you can't tell us tonight, but what can you share about this conflict, the european involvement and assistance whicn dead on about with china and all of this and the cover that china has given to vladimir putin on the finance side? >> yeah, well he never would have done this heavy thought china would not be there to help with the pain of it, no doubt about it. in fact, he moved from the far east of russia, something they've never done before.

as you know, china claimed siberia belongs to them and strong russian military presence. he -- i would add, nobody knows what happens next but some things become obvious. and you can see the other night, it is clear what is happening is the map of russian forces pushing to the north. they will try to take the western part of kyiv. and the reason being all of these supplies we are talking about and all we are providing in other countries are providing it has to come to the west. if they can cut kyiv off of supplies it will deteriorate the city standing. the two forces from the northeast, they will eventually try to take the east. once they have kyiv encircled, you will see medieval type siege. that means people starving, hoping the government will collapse eventually and install puppet government which has been his goal the whole time here that is clearly the aim he has t

harder and spirits are high. so they have a chance to disrupt us. this is what they are planning to do. as you have seen from the image on fox news and others, what they bring from the north is massive, massive show. >> laura: chris murphy just tweeted that dod and dhs pressing for congress to end continuing resolution and get a budget passed. there is no way for national security to be nimble enough to support ukraine if operating on 2021 budget. senator, while all of us are very concerned about ukraine and security situation on the ground there, the question also is, money for what exactly? how will that specifically be used, including by military leadership that had trouble getting out of afghanistan? >> yeah, so, it is true in ideal world, we have where it allows

us to do programming and spend money on things you've authorized them to build. for example how to counter hypersonic's and you need problematic money to do that. that is true. with that said, that is not an impediment. today, instead of voting on abortion on demand bill, we could be moving for some supplemental funding if they want to provide more weapons to the ukrainian fighters. in fact, the president has the authority to provide quite a bit of that now appear the fact of the matter, we are not doing it because i didn't bring it to the floor. if they wanted to do it they could bring it to the floor. there would be support in congress spending and providing more of the things you are seeing on television, like tanks, ammunition to bring down airplanes and provide air cover. so yes, it is ideal to have appropriations bill. >> laura: but senator, but senator, a follow up on that and as you pointed out better than most anyone in the senate, without china and without the

growth of china over the last number of decades in part because of our pretty poor trade policies, china has grown into our new cold war threat. we win the cold war against russia only to squander it to china. so if we put that on russia, is it it can come up on russia to pull back on normal trade relations status with china and saying, you keep supporting putin and what is going on, you are next. terrorists move over on 301 investigation. russia's economy the size of italy. china is the big dog, is it not? >> this is an acute problem we are facing right now and a very serious one. the long term problem hundred euro problem, fifty-year problem is china. all the things imposed on russia, there is no way to impose that on china. the economy and tentacles too big and too deeply ingrained in the countries, including our own. >> laura: you have to pull back, senator, isn't it time to

tell american corporations -- and i was looking at your tweets over the weekend. it is time to bring your operation back home because we are sending money to your crane and help the ukrainian people. but china, the money wasted to china will help vladimir putin by energy. it is a big circle of disaster that we are in part funding by trade policy with china. >> what is more interesting than that, a lot of btus unbroken technology that we can't possibly use because it's made in china. the production, supply chain issues a single vulnerability and exposed by covid. it will be exposed in the future with some conflict. look, russia cannot impose but china could because of how deeply ingrained our corporate cost has become in the chinese model and the chinese economy. in fact, they become lobbyist to the chinese and deputize our corporation to come up here in the lobby chinese. they are making money in the

country because of the factories are over there. we have to pull back from that or we will find ourselves 50 times more vulnerable to china than we ever have russia. >> laura: every dollar we lose in a trade deficit to china goes right to in some part feeling chaos around the world and including ukraine. you have been terrific on that issue. thank you for joining us tonight. i want to bring in who joins us from lviv, ukraine, supposed to be relatively safe, but i guess that changed now that russia seems to be escalating things tonight? >> absolutely and the thing here nobody knows what is next. we are a few hours west of kyiv and no real attacks here. a couple of strikes at the facility around the city, but no, nevertheless, the absolutely heartbreaking. hundreds of thousands of people leaving the country because they just don't know what putin will do next, particularly the back foot of the next couple of days.

he might take the gloves off now and that is causing concern. and president zelenskyy, reaching out to other countries, trying to get more support coming in. for example he applied membership to the e.u. it was rather symbolic, to be honest, the e.u. will not admit ukraine at the moment in large part because the you as a defense ministry. in the midst of a war, they would not expect e.u. or nato to come to their assistance. he has also been calling and talked about a fair amount, calling for nato no-fly zone. again, that is going to be a nonstarter. and why discussions on both sides and politicians have spoken out in favor of it, in particular, we had congressman adam kinsley who said the other day, he tweeted this, we should declare no-fly zone over

ukraine. designed to disrupt russia's air operations and give the heroic ukrainians a fair fight, he said, it is now or later. and on the other hand, a bad idea the war between the u.s. and russia because of course, the u.s. warplanes would have to control and shoot down russia jets. jen psaki clearly saying that would not be happening. this is the policy and they telegraphed it early on. there is no way the u.s. will get involved. right now you see president zelenskyy reaching out to european allies, using more support. but really as far as the fighting comes of it has to do with supplies, finance, intelligent support, but that is it. the coming days, to decide whether to double down and start escalating heavy artillery and heavy weaponry and start attacking civilians. perhaps ukrainian still can hold him back. we will have to see but a pivotal time and i know we keep

saying only six days now old, but it is a key moment. >> laura: benjamin s marco rubio just said, the key part of this is the western access. once you cut off goods, fuel, food, medicine, which russian forces can do with the manpower they have, what are you going to do then? right? that is the pivotal moment and able to choke the west off. >> absolutely. that is one of the concerns of the western part of the country. if he wants to supply lines he has to move this way. by the way, the border was totally open up your that is the way, one of the ways the weapons are coming in. and so let's see if he decides to come that way. fuel, cash, medical supplies are dwindling and the country as well. the need to keep the supply lines open with humanitarian disaster. and heartbreaking to see that

side of it. >> laura: benjamin, we appreciate it tonight. thank you from lviv. the most terrifying part for all of americans from all of us come at the potential for accidental encounter with the russians that then leads to a triggered nuclear catastrophe. we saw what adam kinzinger was looking for with a no-fly zone. what does that entail? what are the risk? we will get to that and pretty terrifying with mike pompeo but first, my next guest said putin didn't just play biden but federal reserve power jerome powell. 20 me now senior business correspondent, charlie, people are thinking foreign policy crisis, but jerome powell doesn't necessarily come to mind. why is this important? >> for economy should come to mind. the economy is in a precarious position despite the good headlining. very strong allegedly and employment is very low. we have raging inflation.

i'm not in sight vladimir putin's brain cells, but he did pick an interesting time to do what he's doing. he knows the federal reserve has to raise interest rates and he knows interest rates is out of control. he knows the left wing of this country controls the white house won't let us drill more and produce more energy. but put all that together, he is not worried about the implications on his end of the invading ukraine because he knows that the biden administration is not going to have even more inflation by cutting off his ability to sell oil. one of the reasons why powell is to blame for this is because he had been creating the inflation that is in the economy already. he has waited two years, essentially to taper money printing. he's been printing for two years. in the beginning, okay but he kept going, supporting the biden administration spending plan

which adds inflation. he has put us economically in a pickle. if you notice -- listen, who knows what joe biden will say tomorrow. maybe he will say we will cut off russia's ability to sell oil and financing. but they are not. they are not because they are worried about even more inflation. the only way to stop him right now unless you want to engage militarily is to destroy the russian economy. you cannot destroy it if we are allowing them to sell oil at $100 a barrel. you are essentially financing -- >> laura: funding, yeah. >> you are funding the ukrainians and a bloodbath to happen as you know any day. >> laura: charlie, we are getting both ways with hyper engagement and trade and everything else as marco rubio said we are entangled with china so a nuclear cold war adversary and doing business on the energy front and we are doing business with the russians and cut off

our own supply. so multiple fronts and completely pretend there is no inflation, not we come i know you didn't and we didn't buy the year ago, talking down the economy. we were talking down the economy. >> transitory inflation, supply chain and they missed the vote. i'm just saying this, and last week start drilling and essentially taking care of the oil supply and make up for what russia is doing, we basically financed anything that vladimir putin wants to do, financing this war by cutting back on domestic energy production because, you know, energy is something like 5% of cpi. if we cut off russia immediately and don't drill, guess what? oil goes up to $150 a barrel. and then it is double the amount

for a gallon of gas. >> laura: charlie, i have to ask you because powell moving in for another term, right? is that a fore gone conclusion? in this administration, you seem to be able to fail upward pretty easily. kept going, more. >> there is a lot of bizarre by joe biden. he was considered the bad choice by republican spirit they could have been more but still trying to get some very socialist members of the federal reserve and there. i mean socialist. i throw the word socialist around a lot. >> laura: charlie, thank you for bringing us back to brass tacks dollars and cents where it does matter. charlie, great to see you tonight. in a moment we go back to your crane work correspondents are standing by but first, it is no secret biden anti-oil,

anti-gas puts strength in ukrainians hands and obvious to everyone that the solution is not less drilling but more drilling. for almost everybody. >> we need to reduce dependence on foreign oil. and we need to look at other ways of having energy in our country and others. one of the interesting things, george, we have seen over the last week or so, a number of european countries recognizing they need to reduce their own reliance on russian oil. >> laura: joining me now secretary and commander. and also the senate commerce and services committee. mr. secretary, last week there were nearly 400 fewer active oil and gas drilling rigs in the united states. during the same time right before covid hit, 2019. this is music to putin's ears to

dovetail on what just said. we are subsidizing the bullets being used against the ukrainian people. >> you are right. americans are not weak. american leadership and president biden is weak. when we took over and it was the trump administration we were 8.3 million barrels a day and declining. in two short years, we were 12.5 million barrels a day, the world's largest energy leader across the board. and we did it with record-breaking safety records and lower emissions because, laura energy means lower inflation and what you see in europe, held hostage by russian oil, ready 7% of natural gas comes from russia and even more heavy crudes. in europe if they would build infrastructure lng terminals, we could supply europe with plain, burning liquid natural gas and a

pretty short amount of time. >> laura: senator being from i am fed her, this is national security imperative that we have a agenda which is a religion, but this is far more dogmatic, make a church that the left is scared about. they are willing to sell america down the river for the green agenda, period. >> laura, i could not agree more with you and it's great to be on the show with us before my good friend, great american purity but you know, the biden administration needs to wake up we are in this new era of authoritarian aggression led by dictators from russia but china as well. you've done a great job focusing on that. i'm sending a letter to the president tomorrow before the state of the union with a number of republican senators saying you need to course correct on some key issues and one of the

biggest is exactly what you said, a holy war. and you are right, a holy war against american energy. it is driving up the price of energy for american working families laying off workers in my state, the great state of alaska and it is empowering dictators like putin. it is killing us in three different areas and makes no sense, but you are right, it is a holy war for so many on the far left. >> laura: secretary ryan zinke, you were the officer and charged with the first joint u.s. special forces up after the fall of the soviet union. so what is your assessment of what we are currently seeing from russia in ukraine, it things that will intensify? putin does not want a p.r. disaster and this is becoming a p.r. disaster for him. he has that era about him.

how with the special forces from the russian military be used? >> well, russians are definitely tough but urban warfare will be tougher. going door to door, the russians if they get bogged down in kyiv, the tanks will not be a lot of help in close quarters. tanks are vulnerable by the missile systems from looking from a point of being in a building looking down. tanks have become very vulnerable. an urban warfare, i think it will stop the russian movement. and putin will have to make a very difficult decision. to go on and crush resistance at great cost or negotiate. >> laura: well, senator sullivan, right now the concern on the part of the americans, i think, and you can't blame them after iraq and afghanistan and all of the years our soldiers and all of our troops were deployed, there is

not a lot of appetite, to say the least for further military escalation. certainly on the part of the united states. as definitely as bad as we feel for the ukrainian people, the polling on this is just not where i think a lot of republican war hawks wanted to be and even some of the democrats. so, what of that? >> look, we do not need american troops in ukraine. but what we need to do is recognize we have certain strategic advantages over putin, the russians, but also, laura, over china and president xi paying and we need a stronger military. biden put forward a budget last year to cut defense spending. we don't need that, but back to the other issue. we actually need to make sure we are using the amazing resources that we have in this country, whether critical minerals, whether oil and gas. these are the kind of things

that we need to focus on in this long term. and i think it is going to be decades this era of authoritarian aggression. and it's going to be important -- one other thing, our democratic values. you know, xi jinping and putin their number one fear that they have is their own people. they fear their own people, right? we should exploit that. that is a strength we have that they don't have. but we need to be ready for this, energy is a huge asset we have and unilaterally disarming. right now the biden administration is committing national security suicide with their energy policy. >> laura: it is a complete nightmare. i have got to say secretary, thank you. it does remind us, does it not, of how incredibly disruptive the welcome vacation attempt by the military leadership event, their

focus on extremism and all that garbage they were pulling with the military that was their focus, okay and meanwhile plotting and planning and china, they are focused whether someone posted something it in favor of trump. so like before we spend billions more on her military i would like to have military leadership to know what the hell they are doing. sorry, to be improper in my language here, but they have been focused on the wrong thing. >> you are exactly right. and we could have provided a deterrent to russia with aggression by certainly uavs, technology on the battlefield. walking through the sanctions when beholden on russian energy. we should look at our economy too and bring the manufacturer back in the country to make sure we are not vulnerable on critical minerals and critical components that run our economy. it should be a wake-up movement

and the united states. and also beholden to china for the same things. and we need to correct that and bring manufacturing home. the first artist energy development and energy -- >> laura: everything that comes along with it. everything that comes along with it. gentlemen, it is great to have you both on the show with different expertise. really important tonight, thank you. let's bring in trey yingst on the ground in kyiv, trey what is the situation as of this moment? >> laura come in just a few are civilians will come out of bomb shelters wherever they spent the night and go once in a moment to gather supplies. yesterday we saw long lines outside of stores and other facilities to gather supplies because people understand the coming days and maybe even weeks will be very bloody. urban battle fields across ukrainian capital of kyiv. we know according to the satellite images, there are hundreds of russian troops along

with artillery and tanks approaching the city. we also know the plan. russian president vladimir put in to encircle the city and basically choke it off from the rest of the country. this will not allow him military units and ukrainian army to defend the capital. ultimately, people have to stay here and fight. they could run out of things like water. they could run out of food. they could run out of medicine and all things to think about when civilian population, 3 million people will stay in the city. those who can't get out in time we'll have to hunker down. ukrainian president zelenskyy told you must stay and fight if you are a man from 18-60 peer there has been a general mobilization order. the individuals by law will have to stay. on behalf of ukraine to defend the city and the whole country, laura. >> laura: trey, thank you stay safe. the media keep ignoring the ukrainian crisis. we have talked about this briefly tonight, but it is time to do a deep dive.

china. we break down what needs to be done to hold the ccp accountable for their role in all of this. plus, the latest from the front line. stay there. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ >> [bleep], [bleep], [bleep]. [bleep], [bleep]. >> laura: just before dawn at this hour, russian forces continue to inch their way towards kyiv with aim to cut the city from supplier routes in the west. we will go back to the region shortly. but first, when words like heightened nuclear alert used by the russian vladimir putin, we have to think carefully about the next steps. we have to remember how we got here and we have to remember avoiding making further mistakes down the road. now, peace through the strength

doctrine, we won the cold war against russia but less than a decade after soviet union collapsed in 1991 khmer establishment, or political establishment through it all away by a grant to normal trade relations status to china. remember back then, we were told it was a win-win. china would become more like us but instead, what did it do? it enabled communist dictatorship to become a far greater threat. they are now the invisible hand that drives the chaos in ukraine and enabling putin to expand his borders. so, even ramped up sanctions from europe, which we applaud in the u.s., it is only going to go so far as long as china is putin's reliable backstop. so things to be very meaningful and stop the k off, chaos sanctions also have to be gradually directed against china as well. we could move towards gradually or even immediately if we wanted

to to revoke china's trade relations status. that would have to come from congress. in addition biden could launch a new investigation into all they are, on illegal trade practices we have to count tonight? likewise to rest against china could be gradually raised over time and less they change their ways in order to send a very clear message to companies that it's time to bring manufacturing back home. americans are not buying this coming from the white house. the end of the state of the union is not strong. in fact, a new "washington post" "abc news" poll had biden's presidential rating at a new low, 37%. saying they approve of the job he's doing, 55% say they disapprove. now, the reason why? less free, less prosperous and less secure. americans want the opposite.

and they can feel the country standing in the world starting to evaporate. right now we seem to be buffeted by world events. we are not a mover of world events. and of course, all of our hearts desperately break over ukraine suffering and the human rights catastrophe being inflicted upon them here at home by biden's suffering for our own people as well. he's given up open border, soaring inflation and runaway crime. republicans should not rush to rubber-stamp anymore u.s. military spending without clear directive how this will be spent, how this will be used. and this will just require more printing and borrowing of money. and why would he send billions more to the pentagon to be run by military leaders who are focused on woke his him led by the general to evacuate

afghanistan. anyway, we are to real to a trillion dollars in the hold and we don't want to talk about it but that is eroding our economic strength and it is doing so every day. we have to think before we spend. not spend and do a review how we spent it months or years later. we do not need trillions more in debt. joining me now former deputy assistant and secretary of defense, author of "the strategy of denial" kate stone, the tech war. eldridge, when i think back in 1991 a long time ago and in other ways it felt like yesterday but we won the cold war. and when they on to embolden, enrich, and empower a much bigger adversary and potentially much more powerful adversary than the former soviet union. your reaction tonight. >> i think you are right, laura,

you said it china's far greater challenge and involve mobile what's happening in ukraine but china is ten times the size of russia and economic support to russia and military will be just as strong. i think you made a number of grievous mistakes as a country and our policies since the cold war, which was a huge success there the work, a lot of the wars on the middle east, the financial crisis. but i think the long term the greatest might be sort of integrating china in and sort of giving them the keys to the bank without holding them accountable. and some ways it is naive and some people benefited but a lot of americans didn't. i think we are going to have to have fundamentally different approach against economic relations with china where we are thinking this is not just about trading for goods of walmarts. this is going to be geo-economic relationship wearing competition to dominate first asia and also be able to dictate and they are

the only ones i can do that. we need to act accordingly now. >> laura: gordon, richard hoss and foreign relations has been there for a while and he writes this crisis will go a long way to shape u.s. china relations and an opportunity for china to show a rule-based order or provide a lifeline and hospitable to sanctions on itself, gordon, can't believe we are sitting on television tonight and someone with a resume as impressive as richard hoss who thinks that china gives a rats you know what about rules-based international order tonight. please tee off on that for a minute, gordon. >> this is the problem, laura with foreign policy leads in the country, xi jinping more than a decade has been pushing the notion that china is the only legitimate ruler of the world.

and at the chinese are talking about really mars and the moon as sovereign chinese territory. they do not want the rules-based order. matter-of-fact july of this year the foreign ministry said the rules-based international order is nothing more than the u.s. version of the laws of the jungle. that is a direct quote. >> laura: oh, that kind of slows up the narrative, does it not? and elbridge colby, when you think about this idea of human rights and suffering and catastrophe unfolding, i should say in tonight, as a mom and an american you want to do everything you can to help ukrainian people. at the same time these international institutions where china can call the shots on human rights council. i want to play this today from the human rights council and no propaganda and lies, watch. >> we should act as first true

champions of human rights. protecting rights in pursuit of china. the things of, forced labor and really oppression -- peace, justice, democracy and freedom. >> laura: elbridge colby, quickly, investment bank making billions off of china. just for that statement alone we should be decoupling. >> sure, well, i mean they say go to the country. the best thing that people can do for democracy is to be strong and hold the line because we can be sure democracy will suffer and we can imagine if we allow that to happen. >> laura: gentlemen, thank you both tonight. an establishment with both parties calling for a no-fly zone over ukraine. that would not be dangerous or anything. a warning from former

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lviv, ukraine where lucas thomas is standing by. lucas, what about these weapons from nations and how what they actually get to ukraine tonight and tomorrow and the next day? >> well, laura it is very clear no one is flying into the country right now. the united states and european allies are not coming, of course and you will not send fedex or dhl. they have to go somewhere else and come under land which will be a lot slower process and lot riskier process, lot dangerous process. we heard from the russia foreign minister who threatened a nation who sends to kill russian soldiers. right now, we are day 6 of vladimir putin's war against ukraine. so far has not conquered any major cities. that doesn't mean he's not closing in on three of them. you've heard about that big convoy of russian hundreds of tank and artillery and armored vehicles 50 miles outside of the p or the northeast ukraine the

second largest city at kharkiv,s accused of indiscriminate bombing killing 11 civilians. this appears to be revenge for the defeat of russian special forces unit the day before, laura. the third city, 2,000 russian marines came to shore but now moving on to the city. over the weekend, the chancellor alleging defense spending and something many have one of her years peer the german pledging to send arms to ukraine to destroy as many russian tanks as possible. a partial list of european list in ukraine. a thousand missiles, 1500 antitank missiles, norway 2,000, sweden 5,000, and 2700. as i mention, there will be consequences for nations who supply the weapons. the pentagon put the blame on the kremlin for starting the war. >> mr. putin is the one escalating this and continues to do so. we will stand by the ukrainian

forces as we have another nato allies have. we will find ways to help them defend themselves. >> no nato allies coming to ukraine, just like the russians, laura. >> laura: thank you, lucas stay safe. michael pompeo, fox news contributor, the president calling for no-fly zone to be established over the country. a few others in congress adam kissinger and others as well. biden as opposed. what could possibly go wrong with a no-fly zone, mr. secretary? >> laura, thank you. a whole lot can go wrong. but the hard work should have been done months ago. you talk about a six day war. we know vladimir putin's intentions for a long time, building up these forces. the comment earlier how hard it will be to get weapons, that is absolutely true. but the weapon should have been provided earlier, right?

when they needed training on aircraft defense systems months ago and chaplain missiles, years ago when president obama refused to deliver them and then vice president was against it as well. and now weeks late with sanctions and off of our foot for a long time to come back in that way. you describe and presents an enormous amount of risk not only to the forces that might fly there but does not provide the solutions to the ukrainians who ultimately need weapons. i hope we can find a way to get weapons in there now. >> laura: mr. secretary, i think it is important for the viewers to understand the scope of what we are talking about. and that means what the russian military coming up in a fraction of what it was in many ways in the soviet days, it is still a significant force, okay? some of these facts. it is the largest military force in the world, a million active

duty with 2 million active reservist. second largest fleet of ballistic missile subs. it is one of the three nations operating strategic bomber force, you know that peer the largest of all tank forces in the world. second most powerful air force and navy fleet. fourth highest military budget as of 2020, at least, last check $61 billion. so as much as the stories of heroism are inspiring and they certainly are, if russia wants to choke off ukraine from the west, it will be able to do that at this point. >> laura, size matters in these kind of things. the scale, the capacity to reinforce, they will certainly have that in putin surrounding kyiv will likely to be able to achieve that and took out the capacity to get basic food and water. it will likely have the goal to do it. and we were talking about earlier too, they have friends and partners peer of the pipeline from russia to china, a

big deal. as much as we put sanctions on russia, if we are not prepared to put second sanctions providing them with the resources they need, this will breed fuel, power, money and resources to putin. the military that you describe will have the resources to sustain their campaign appearance bill and mr. secretary back to the point marco rubio earlier, this push to have a new military budget because otherwise the holes in the old military budget and they want more money for ukraine. but is this like, again, painting a house with a hole in the roof. we are sending billions to ukraine with additional expenditures with the military leadership that we have with the book of vacation and train up policy. one of the ame american people g to get out of that? sorry to be so crass. this is the american people's money. itartbroken as all of us are and as desperate as we want putin to fail.

>> right. i think we can provide the resources well within the budget that we currently have. this is a matter of we are talking about tens perhaps several million millions of dollars. the problem you identified as someone a few years back served on the army himself, am very worried about making sure our military is focused on the things that need to be focused on. you design a military to be not woke or diverse but to engage in the functions to protect america, america first for four years. we drove the military to do just that. when we lose sight of that focus and wander off on that task, airplanes, ships should be powered by green energy. those are the things the adversaries see peer that is when weakness is clear to those who want to do harm to us. we can't let that continue with any money. >> laura: mr. secretary, one line response to alexander vindman who apparently said

earlier this is inevitable. i only have time for a one line response. >> not inevitable. americans could have done a lot more to create real deterrence is to stop vladimir putin from doing what he was doing. it was his warp at the west could have done a lot more a lot sooner. >> laura: mr. secretary, an alarm about the cbp. that is it for tonight and tune in tomorrow night 12:00 live coverage of ♪ ♪ [speaking non-english language] [car alarms]