i don't know what sort of information is reaching him, or how he is making the decision that he'd make. at some, reality is going to catch up with him. >> you would think. investor, thank you. investor michael carpentier and that. >> jesse: it's 5:00 in new york city, this is "the five." division of ukraine terrifying turn yet after russian forces took control of nuclear power plant -- during the middle of a tax on the night. the facility was damaged with

regulators, bring that radiation bubbles appear to be normal control of one quarter of ukraine's power supply and can pull the plug any time. workers at the plant who are being held at gunpoint or warning that russia could use it to blackmail your period to the instance, the city of kharkiv continues to be pounded by russian shillings, and to the north, the convoy inches closer to ukraine's capital. benjamin hall is live in kiev, ukraine, with the latest. >> what you just laid out come of this war is escalating, heating up. the north, south, east, the russians -- they surrounded this city, and odessa. kiev is being approached more gradually by the russians. we have seen this conflict, number of videos that have come

out. there are some incredible videos on social media and elsewhere. >> just one example of how -- not being documented. there are countless other stores to go with that as well. another school was hit with that -- half of the city left destroyed, 22 civilians destroyed in another bombing pricks at the kiev today, a few children killed, son killed at home and in their cars. russia is tightening the noose on the capital. the russians have been releasing this video overnight that shows tanks and armored vehicles crossing into the kiev region, and they have -- just outside. today -- rallies, gathering,

people are in european countries. they held a minute of silence for those who had died. speaker come to the streets, support ukraine, or freedom. this is a victory of light over darkness, a victory of good over evil. >> tonight in kiev, we've seen more action than the last couple of nights. some artillery flashes on the horizon, a short gun battle -- russian forces are moving towards the city arid only a matter of time before they start palming it more heavily. the streets right now are empty. people are prepping, they are ready. defenses are up, and russia has made it clear that if they fight counter resistance they will crush it. people are brave, motivated, so we will see that escalation, no doubt, in the coming days or

weeks. >> thank you. seeing that video in the beginning of that -- it reminds me, the american people have not seen this type of warfare. we've seen it in desert storm, a little in iraq, but that was when we had american photojournalists embedded with our guys, so it's a different perspective. now, you are seeing large-scale conventional war from the defense. it's getting more and more graphic. i'm not sure the american people will be comfortable watching this as a continues. >> martha: i think you're right. anybody that looks of world war ii and says "how could stuff happened, how come around standby stand by and allow people to be killed?" those questions will be raised there is a clear aggressor.

ukraine did not invade russia. russia invaded ukraine. interesting for over 30 years. they have people in their own government, elected them democratically. it would've been different if -- that disputed area. i think if he had left it, might've come down to some sort of difficult negotiation. when he was blocked in that effort -- top generals, he decided to encircle the whole country and start attacking them and look at situations that we have not seen since world war ii. in terms of europe with crumbled buildings and -- people lying on their sides, an extraordinary image. i think you are right. i think people are going to

become horrified that people are not getting air cover. i understand arguments against its come quick continuing to fight -- action america. >> the types of civilians targeting you are seeing now, janine, if bin laden had access to this artillery, those are the targets he would be heading: schools, residential towers. it's alarming to see that kind of devastation. now, he's gone after a nuclear power plant, which makes it scarier. >> what martha isn't saying is so accurate. there is not a hint of justification on the part of putin, isn't any historical fight going on. it's not a religious fight. putin just made a decision "i want to take over." if it means killing innocent civilians and children, it does not matter to me. we initially thought "maybe, he's keeping the of the structure strong." he's not. now, what's happening in kharkiv, he is destroying

everything. the american people are not used to this, not used to seeing this kind of thing, a father kneeling over the body of a 6-year-old was lost his legs in a bombing. it's almost as if we are voyeurs. americans are good people. americans are not accustomed to saying "oh, well." i think it's one of the reasons we talked about this last week. 40% of americans polled were willing to accept higher gas prices to get involved ukraine. this is too painful. at some point, i think the american people are going to be angry. >> they will be really angry if they cut the lights out through this nuclear reactor. we are seeing people in the dark, the ability to keep the lights on, even with his all kinds of things.

>> i think it's going on in ukraine, we are not seeing the worst of it, not the dead bodies of civilians on tv. extremely graphic. i think numbers aren't going to come up for a long time. it's a time game. nato made it clear that they will not institute a no-fly zone. united states said the same thing. the question is how long can you bring in forces hold off russia when it comes to what they want to do? the french president -- putin will continue to take ukraine, and has done nothing up to this point for any indication for ukrainians that he plans to turn back. martha interviewed john kirby and asked what the goal was for what the west was doing, and they said it was to get putin to retreat. indications are that's not happening. >> that's the goal is to appeal the invasion, to make it stop. so far, not happening. time will tell, but the most

recent example is syria. aleppo is destroyed, flattened. hundreds of thousands of civilians dead in syria. given his behavior and the fact that he did not suffer much from the international community can i not surprised if he did it again. >> i talked to ukrainian mp and asked "what did you guys want?" he said that they need to get that humanitarian court order agreed on so people can get out safely, but putin doesn't care. if you agreed to that, that makes the devastation was devastating, and therefore, not as urgent to surrender. to talk about the no-fly zone, and if you shoot down the russian draft, that's a war. what ukraine is will tell you is it's already war, already world war iii.

if we don't establish a no-fly zone, we will have a lot of dead people. i lost my train of thought. >> no-fly zones. >> here is the problem. we can't push this narrative of ukrainians fighting back and -- it's the little guy versus the big guy, and then, we don't help them out. we cannot pretend to be there bodyguard. in many ways, we are complicit in this. we are using ukraine to anoint russia come and ukraine used us to protect them, so now, we are in a situation where we are saying no to a no-fly zone, and sending kamala harris there. these are not moves that a person would make who is intent on winning a war. it is ukraine matter more to call and/or the united states? lavishly russia. he's going to destroy his own

country, creating a civil war. he believes that ukraine is part of russia. he's attacking his own country! now that we are calling him a war criminal, which you can argue he is, and if they good point -- there's no way he can lose. if you are a war criminal and lose, you will die. the war criminal has to win, so that language means that he is going all the way to the end. there is a goal amongst ukrainians to convince the elite russians in talk circles that they need to save russia from putin. it's not about ukraine anymore, it's about save your country from putin here" he has taken a large country and has shrunk it economically. this is going to take generations. >> destroying the country. >> he sees it as a long-term economic gamble in the 5000 years. he doesn't mind the devastation.

they have to argue with the russians that more crimes come to the corpse, you will be incriminated, not just putin. if you stand by him to do something, you will be put to death. i think that's the only persuasion. >> that is a strong and effective argument. i hope they make a case. coming up, millions of refugees fleeing. putin's brutal invasion, including greg's mother-in-law. incredible update next. where does the stress go when you're driving a lincoln? does it float off into the clouds? daddy! (frustrated grunts) you might have your own theory. but maybe it's better to just let it go. as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchemel... cut. liberty mu... line? cut. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. cut. liberty m...

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.2 includes over a half million children. my mother-in-law made her escape from ukraine, arriving in poland yesterday. reunited with her daughter, my wife.

>> thank you so much. thank you so much. >> what was it like waiting? >> it was absolutely awful. but, i'm so happy. but -- [laughter] >> turn it up, she says! that was arrogant. [laughter] still wearing their masks. or turn country for two days, i think you can probably take off your mask. this was thanks to mike griebel coley -- and who you are there interviewing wife. she was fortunate enough to make it there to safety, but there are still millions in danger. >> this is why we cross into another country. >> my colleagues were shot by russian soldiers, that was when

she tried to leave kiev. she is dead. >> just want to protect my son. >> did you leave behind? >> in the face of evil, there's still good in the world. heroes everywhere risking their lives to lead others to safety. cherries like project dynamo, rescuing people in the middle of this fighting, getting them out of the country. uber is offering free rides between they are in the ukrainian border, although they won't drive you there because it will start raining. [laughter] >> good for you! [laughter] >> who are you going to rescue? >> myself. [laughter] >> we need a fox news alert for

that. that was possible. [laughter] what happened with you and your entire family, i think you should throw a party for everyone to get back to the united states. was, i want to make a joke, but i don't think it's appropriate, so i won't. you're right, she's not always happy personally. [laughter] i'm glad you can finally make her happy. >> aww. >> closer to the truth than you might expect. [laughter] we know there are people with their grandmothers, and what do they do? project dynamo is one. they had gone to afghanistan >> there's so many organizations, whether it's a project dynamo or -- people want to help.

people are good and charitable essentially but shouldn't feel guilty at all. the truth is that you were able to help. i think this is an example of the hard choices people are making. every one of those people we've seen has been separated from a loved one. the women's from their husbands, their mothers from their fathers. and, the men for their children, their wives devastating to think that this thug in russia has done nothing but destroy the lives of innocent people who have done nothing. people go in there with meals, like -- or just sending money to and not do good things, we lead for people. the more this goes on, and as -- the worse it's going to get, americans should say "we are going to do something." we have 1.2 million refugees

going all over europe. where is the u.n.? are they taking care of these people? what housing do we have? what about orphanages? where kids go in? >> i think it is an extraordinary story. >> her husband passed away from covid last year, so she had been spending time there, she was the ukrainian, so is with her cousins and whatnot in a tiny village when all of this stuff happened. we had to get her out and get her back thanks to fox -- it really makes you, what you've gone through, makes you sympathetic to what people are going through. the woman who starts to cry the end of that video we just play it, i'm pretty sure she said after that she left her husband. that's when they asked "what did you leave behind?" the husband, not allowed to

leave if they are 18-60, so they are trying to fight. it's about how long this could go on -- i asked jane kirby with the pentagon was saying and he said weeks or months. i think that may be overly optimistic. i think it's potentially years, in terms of insurgency and how long this could go on. those fathers could be separated from their children for years, potentially. >> there are people in russia, these are their relatives. there people in russia with loved ones who they won't see. "ukraine is part of russia, so we should all be together." as if he was saying some altruistic thing to get the country back together for his egomaniacal vision of a russian empire that they don't want! >> say goodbye to husband's possibly forever and may never be reunited if you are killed in

this war. think of -- the afghanistan withdrawals come hoping to get interpreters and people in the state department, get them out as much as they could. grateful that they were able to help. ukraine is a country of 44 million people, ready 1.2 million across the border. amazing neighbor in all of this. welcome them with open arms. there are a number of organizations providing food and humanitarian aid. a week ago, people were saying that they had three days worth of wood. they may be in an orphanage where there are dozens or hundreds of kids that need to. in society were examined quickly, people can't get basic things like food and water. humanitarian path that they are trying to make up with the russians, putin -- we know there's an agreement, but we

have not seen movement on setting up that flow of humanitarian aid. we will have to see what happens. people have to leave and make the decision overnight. their families -- telling a story today about the organization who is helping to get people out. after nine years old, six kids -- dropped them off, had to go back. millions of these same kind of stories. >> very lucky to be working here. speak a russian backed mercenaries going after the iranian president zelenskyy. we have learned that he has appointed three assassination attempts since the russian invasion began. the latest from kiev, ukraine. speak a lot of information -- particularly related to two assassination attempts. this involved mercenaries, with this shadowing group called the

wagoner group. their subcontracts would be working with the russian government, denying them and using some padding. preplaced in kiev, activated -- but there were questions who don't support the war, so they leaked information to ukraine security services, and these plots were for agenda. the other involved a chechen hit squad that were part of this brigade, and that's the only unit named after -- they were inserted into the country when the fighting -- at the airport -- once again, there were russian turncoats who tipped off the ukrainians come apparently with detailed information, and the ukrainians were able to locate the assassins and kill them right there at the airport. that information came through the national security team here.

a real spy stuff going on. >> we are seeing that play out in ukraine, but in russia now, we're saying this to shutdown. facebook, another social media company command martial law -- seeing a number of russians right. can you comment about the propaganda war there? >> as they say, the first casualty in war is the truth. i'm sure there's a lot of propaganda here, bad information that comes out when you see the casualty figures. you can't trust any of them. you saw the casualties they came up with the ukrainians -- dramatically different. you go to find video the evidence to find something that would support these different stories, and it's just not there. when you are in an environment like this, you have to -- hope that you don't get bamboozled.

>> tells about this wagoner group. i had most good idea you could subcontract out a hit, at least nationally, and then wipe your hands lean. does putin think he could pull the trigger on something like this? >> a lot of it goes back to that -- known as the baker and russian circles. -- the chef, i would say. putin liked the way he cooked, so he got folded into the inner circle. does a lot of odd jobs, and his timing -- one right down to the internet research association. he's tied into that group, providing also so much information, because they are shadowing -- the whole backbone of their organization. >> fascinating. thank you. >> we are talking about these

assassination attempts on zelenskyy. have you heard anything about them on putin? even his own people are leaking information. now, they are getting their social media shutdown, they have statewide propaganda going on about how they are militarizing. have you heard anything about that? >> it is very clear that putin is paranoid. you could have a bowling match set up between him and his closest advisors, and -- he is fearful of covid. they know if they get swabbed -- could just kill him. assassination plots, i would imagine they keep that secret. >> i imagine they do.

[laughter] >> this is who you talked about. he's been tight with putin for a long time. he is appearing to be overseeing with some of these. 32, probably more plots, to try to kill hitler, and none succeeded. he killed himself in a bunker. zelenskyy is obviously under some of your daily pressure. what is that she's changing the way he navigates the end he had a laser pin on him to try to figure out, stick something on him physically so they could find him? >> that's advanced. i don't know a lot about that, but as far as the pressure that zelenskyy is under and what he's doing -- keep in mind, the

russian leaders are paranoid, once annexed to the closest advisors. zelenskyy is doing a press conferences, is in the middle of all of this. particularly in the west, he was not that popular. this is a guy who was an actor, fell into this job, and even his political party is named after the political party from the tv series he was in. a lot of people thought he was not up to the task. he's risen to the occasion, only so people who didn't like him are now backing him, but there are scenes of the broadcasted address he just made. he went to the square in the czech republic, packed with people who are rallying behind zelenskyy. it is remarkable the extent to which he has risen to the occasion. >> i should have double this, but i have read that russia

passed a new law imposing prison terms for spreading misinformation about the russian military, and the depressing part about this is that there are no lawmakers in their parliamentary chambers that oppose the bill. i'm coming from the point of view that the key is you have to persuade powerful russians -- that putin is not just a string ukraine, but destroying worship. when you see lawmakers not opposing this bill, that's kind of depressed. >> sure. now -- when you stop to talk about misinformation spreading. the definition of fake news, as popularly interpreted, it's anything you don't want to hear. something the government doesn't like, could be prison time, and therefore, he will have this media -- i've been in this

country for the media is controlled and usually, the newspapers are ridiculous, praising whoever is in power at the time. it's not just a mistrust of the people you get -- they know what they are looking for. >> next, president biden facing fire from democrats. refused to cut off russian oil.

>> president biden facing pressure supply lines and banned them from importing russian oil. backlash so intense that liberals are jumping on board. >> we have the ability to -- we do. >> all options should be on the table, include banning the import of russian oil, distant united states among --

>> president biden: i don't believe this country should be importing anything from russia. >> i'm all for that, ban it. >> family will come from russia to the white house is rejecting the idea of the bam. then, they are trying to pass the buck on surging gas prices. >> he altered the present convey this in his speech the other night, the reason we are seeing volatility in the oil market, the reason why the price of gas is going up is not because of steps the president has taken. because president putin is vague invading dominic it's because president putin is invading ukraine read. >> they seem to disagree on where they stop. >> there is no doubt that it will drive prices higher. the strategic question, and also a commitment that would have to be made to going back to some of

our resources that we have in this country didn't talk he said that the keystone pipeline -- what "you know how long it would take to get that back handling?" having this, when power, solar filling the needs -- that would take quite a bit of time. maybe, it's time for the approach we talked about the one time in this country, all of the resources we have just had a pick that up differently. we can also be supplying europe with gas, and that would put russia in a very difficult position. think of the clean natural gas, that's something we can do with no problem, and yet, we insist on buying russian gas, which is dirty gas, and paying for it and indirectly funding the war. why are they so resisted that they are talking about getting up from around because i don't

getting this from iran? >> they don't care where it comes from. they don't care if the price is high. i look into how much we import only 700,000 russian barrels of oil a day, less than 4% of what we consume. it would be a marginal effect, but it is a symbolic more oil from south america, from our african partners, make up the difference, what. riddle me this: if global something learned don't if global warming form to the globe, what's the difference between saudi and american oil? we might as will get paid for them and have american jobs doing it. it's the same oil and the same world, so we might as well benefit and to keep it in america the thing is -- saudis

joe biden. they don't give a damn about our president, and are sticking to them because they have bad blood. we need oil, beautiful oil. that makes a very peaceful, and expensive world. >> as joe manchin says, he basically said energy has been weaponize. while we never thought this was about energy, in the end, when you peel back the layers of the onion, it's about energy. >> sleepy biden administration shoved aside is that energy is security. it's not like it's weaponized of seven. the reason why people advocate for an energy independence is because when you are independent, you don't have to worry about getting involved in wars that are thousands of miles away.

energy is so important. it's interesting to watch the white house talk about this. keep saying they don't want to stop the imports of russian oil because they don't want to hurt the american people. they are using this invasion as an excuse to pass the buck on responsibility for gas prices, which went up last year. they are going to continue going up as a result of the biden administration policies, the assault on drilling domestic gas inside this country, and the issues to what jesse is saying is it's about virtue signaling. we are not drilling here. they don't want oil and gas here, but they are willing to buy it from russia, which as you said is not clean it it's not like they are not using or buying oil. john kerry does what he has to o do to advocate against climate change, travel around the world, fly in a private jet -- but making sure that "we are doing this," when really, they are just shoving it to a different

country" >> same globe, remember? [laughter] >> it's the same globe, greg hear the truth is, what's coming out of russia is affecting global warming. >> the left prefers to fuel a war instead of the country. we been instructed by the mediums democrats that energy is a moral issue. as far as the micros, cole, fracking, fossil fuels. these are crimes against the environment, yes, it's okay to buy the dirty oil from a war machine. it shows you that the moral stances of these people who have been 20 for decades, how much better they are than us, as evil right-wingers in our pickup trucks, caskets and suvs, they are the most immoral people, because they were phonies and wires. russia played us for the longest time.

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>> president biden sending vice president, with respect to europe. she's been criticized for certain things, like this moment.

>> vice president harris: ukraine is a country in europe, exists europe. russia is a powerful country. russia invaded ukraine. that's wrong. >> they said layman's terms, not kindergarten terms. [laughter] >> i think we have to assume that people are generally knowledgeable. i understand that you want to start at the beginning. that was the beginning and raised questions about how much she understands about going on. >> do you think she understands what's going on? >> that's my question to you. >> nothing she does. speak of the times she's gotten to the oval with biden, it's a joke if she ends up cackling all the time. she gives word cell answers that make no sense, so i have no idea

what she's going to do when she goes over there, the geography lesson. when asked why she isn't visiting the border, she said she isn't guarding europe. ben taylor, she realizes that ukraine is in europe. >> i don't know if you have that other sound bite, but there's also that moment where she basically talked about how war could have been in. that would be bad if war -- >> so, war is bad. [laughter] >> come is a joke. >> can you put that in layman's terms? >> jesse jr. understand better than she does. who else are you going to send customer biden is not going. he's going to go if it is really important. just going to have a big

entourage around her. those are the people that are going to be doing the real talking bear. then, kamala has to go to a press conference. who are you going to send? >> by going to delaware dominic >> biden is going to delaware. >> other small states too. do you remember when the vice president event to europe -- i think they took that seriously, so they are going to send her to bjork. let's talk about it in her terms. is this country called mexico on the border of the united states, and millions of people are illegally crossing into the united states every single year. many are violent criminals from all over the world. not just south america. that's bad that he hoped she would deal with domestic issues before they sent her over.

dealing with an international conflict. >> she was in charge of root causes of the border, and then come in charge of voting rights. now, she's going to go to poland and romania to try to straighten out the situation. >> the problem is not that we are sending our places. it's that she returns. can she pick a country, stay there, have a great time? >> she provides us with a lot of entertainment value. this is a trooper if you signal. if you thought that you could help ukrainians, you would not send her. it would also do a no-fly zone. we are not interested in helping them. i set it in the beginning of the show, these are actions of a person who is serious about winning a war. we send her as a virtue signal,

and all they do is replace real action. "we sent her to the border." that, to them, is a replacement for real action. that's what it is. >> can i ask a question, but she figure out what the root causes were of immigration? >> in the oval office. >> climate change. [laughter] .

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already started because we have been basically energizing ukraine for years to mess with that area and now we are not backing them. >> jesse: you don't's a no-fly zone, do you. >> greg: i apt no-fly zone. i'm watching people die. it's so pointless to talk about it. it's kind of over jess diswres for the ukrainians. >> greg: kind of over when the united states is basically not doing it. i think it's- >> jesse: basically they have to move to insurgency pretty quickly. >> katie: i don't understand how secretary of state tony blinken has a job after the failure in afghanistan and abysmal failure in diplomacy headed into this russia invasion. when the bombs start dropping. things have failed and they continue to try to say that the door is still open to some kind of talking but having two massive foreign policy diplomatic failures in the last

six months is not a success. >> jesse: he makes john kerry look good. what do you think? >> greg: that's impossible. >> martha: determined and diplomacy which was their mission completely failed. tough argument to say we are not going to protect them in some way. i think we may see this conversation change. >> jesse: you think it might go into a no-fly zone. >> martha: i think it's possible. i think it's possible. basically one argument protecting ukraine is asking you to protect their airspace and it would be russia would have to enter that airspace in order to invade it so that would be their choice. right? >> jesse: you would have to get all nato countries to agree to that wouldn't you? >> katie: yes. >> martha: unless you would want to do it alone which we should not do. >> judge jeanine: we would have to do it as article 5. but, a no-fly zone would guarantee that russia won't bomb from the skies. and i think we absolutely need that i think that the attack on the nuclear site, which appears was intentional and they are now

surrounding it with ammunition and they could put a lot of europe in trouble with that. i think, you know, now we can say that they have attacked nato but i think we are getting close. >> jesse: all right. you heard it. people at the table think we are getting close to a no-fly zone. pretty big. that's it for us. "special report" is up next with bret baier. ♪ [explosion] [explosion] >> bret: the sights and sounds of war. good evening. i'm bret baier. breaking tonight, russian troops have seized the biggest