january 6th. >> the less reaction to it, colleagues were there. we were not in a danger. we uncovered the fact that there were a ton of fbi informants -- that was us. ♪ ♪ >> welcome to fox news at night, i'm shannon bream in washington. >> and benjamin hall in kyiv, ukraine. breaking tonight, air raid sirens going off in kyiv, we are going to take you live. don about to break on the 15th day of war with russia, ukraine is facing bitterly cold temperatures and many without

electricity as we go into this thursday morning. devastating images showing what is left of a maternity and children's hospital in the key ukrainian port city of mariupol. hours from now, vice president kamala harris will meet with the president and prime minister of poland after the u.s. rejection of an offer of theirs to give mig 29 invited us to ukraine. team coverage tonight from our reporters at home and in the ground in ukraine. we will begin tonight with our cohost benjamin hall. >> yesterday the cia director said we were entering a new, more vicious phase of this conflict. vladimir putin was taking off the gloves and he had scant regard for human life, you need look no further than the brutal attack on the maternity hospital in mariupol to see that is true. those images of pregnant women being carried on stretchers to the devastation, apocalyptic scene as the red cross called at. pictures and images of children unable to talk, shell-shocked

because of that are heartbreaking. it's the most vulnerable people who suffer in war. also the past, present, in the future of this nation are being torn apart in front of our eyes. nary a a city where it happened under total siege, they have been trying for a number of days to get those people out. the humanitarian corridors are not being abided by. we have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people stuck in basements under constant bombardment, no heating, water, food, medicine, pain killers, antibiotics, they can't get out. this is a scene being repeated across the country, in kharkiv and elsewhere. it is a sad story today and at the same time the weather is getting worse. we are in the dead of winter, an arctic front coming in. i know we might say in comparison to rockets and missiles it might not sound like much but it is 20 degrees across this country and the people are suffering. the weather is going to play a

factor in this as well. ukrainian officials say 1200 bodies have been picked up off of the streets of mariupol and 47 were dumped in a mass grave because they do not have time to bury them or they cannot identify them. it is a sad state of affairs right now. we keep talking about the polish mig 29 is that may or may not be coming here. the pentagon making it clear today, seeming changing tax they are not on the way over here, the article to help. right now it feels this has taken a turn for the worse end of vladimir putin is going to indiscriminately shell. the u.n. say 18 hospitals are being hit in this country, here in the capital kyiv where we are tonight, shelling all around the outskirts has been constant all day. there is clearly a push by vladimir putin to get in here. we've been saying for a few days they would start shelling, they haven't yet. the ukrainians seem to be doing remarkably well at holding them back but we heard officials

earlier who said there was street to street hand to and some of the districts and they were struggling to keep them back. every time they repelled them and killed them, more russians kept coming. we don't know yet when that final push is going to happen, people are waiting for it. william burns is speaking yesterday, the cia director saying they only had ten to mecca 14 days of supplies left and the fear is we will see the same scenes here in kyiv that we saw in mariupol. we have foreign ministers of ukraine and russia meeting in turkey today, hopes for a diplomatic breakthrough are pretty low but it is significant they are meeting at that level. we have a lot to cover today and we are going to keep you updated over the next hour. i want to bring in lucas tomlinson who is live in lviv. i want to get your views on the russian mig 29s, there seems to be a shift in the messaging from the pentagon. it's no longer just getting the

planes to ukraine, it's that they don't need them, they wouldn't do much good. him what can you tell us about that shift, what is going to happen there? >> the pentagon has slammed the door on this proposal. the original plan the polish introduced they would fly them to ramstad airbase in germany. those planes would fly into ukraine and the pentagon said we need find another plan. today they close the door completely, no polish fighter jets would be coming at all. we talked to the residents on the ground in ukraine, they keep saying the overall thing, close the sky. ukrainians want to stop russian jets from flying overhead, they want to stop the 700 missiles from being flown and had devastating effect as you mention, destroying hospitals and churches.

unbelievable effect. let's talk children, the u.n. today said for the first time over three dozen children have been killed in the fighting since the war began to go weeks ago, 50 wounded. 2 million people fleeing ukraine, half of those are children. this is a tragic scene, many coming through lviv here. the story about the mig's is that plan is completely shelved and is not happening. the pentagon called it a high risk high-risk maneuver. they said they would not be bringing the jets in because it would aggravate the russians but what some people are having trouble with is the pentagon seems to have no problem bringing in the 17,000 antitank missiles and thousands of stinger anti-antiaircraft missiles. their version of the no-fly zone is to -- including the vicious

helicopter gunships. >> the pentagon saying they don't want escalation, they fear that delivering the mig's is going to lead to direct conflict but they are supplying the stingers and javelins. we are already involved in a proxy war. we are supporting the opposition with as many weapons as we can get to them. what is the difference between delivering these mig's from poland versus delivering javelins and stinger missiles? russian planes are being shot out of the air either way by u.s. weaponry. where is that line drawn? >> a big story the first to go weeks of the war is the state of the russian air force. for the past ten years the russians have built over 400 fighter jets and aircraft, fifth-generation fighter jets. there was a lot of boasting on the russian side in the months leading up to this conflict saying this air force would come in and wipe this country off the map, that has not happened.

air defenses are still around, i believe you saw some contrails today surface-to-air missiles being fired from the capital into the sky shooting down russian jets. over 20 aircraft by some estimates with ukrainians, 40, 50 aircraft have been shot down, we haven't seen totals like that since the gulf war, since the 33rd fighter wing shot down 16 iraqi aircraft and 36 total. the numbers are staggering. there's no question the ukrainians are suffering too. when we first said that 4500 russian soldiers had been killed in the fighting to my people so that was high number. cbs estimating the estimate is 5000 to 6000 russian casualties. that's more than u.s. combat deaths in iraq war and afghanistan, these are world war ii numbers. >> 5 to 6000 russians killed, as many as 18,000 wounded and at

what point does that start to change the domestic view back in russia? i want to bring back in shannon to this conversation. what are you seeing, what are you hearing from the u.s. perspective at this point? >> shannon: i think it's a mixed bag of pickle it's interesting to see bipartisan support on a number of things over the last two days, the ban on russian oil. you see a little bit entertainment of a no-fly zone only in the respect that we had congresswoman nancy mace on the other night using it to try to bolster those humanitarian corridors. otherwise they seem united in the u.s. against doing along those lines and now there is this debate over these jets back and forth with poland. it seems like the administration has some mixed messaging as they have on a number of key issues from covid to ukraine. some unification here in d.c. on key issues but not on everything regarding this as it plays out there.

>> this is something that's going to be the top of the agenda for kamala harris visit to poland, she arrived last night. certainly that's something she's going to have to contend with. it raises a big question, where is the redline for the u.s. response, at what point might they intervene or is it totally off the table? we don't know at this point but at some point chemical weapons, nuclear strike, at what point does the u.s. think the russians cross that line? certainly the death toll in the bombing at the maternity ward is not going to do enough. is a very good argument against that, the administration has been very clear they are trying to prevent world war iii here. there are many sides to this conflict but it's a difficult decision to be taken and those people on the ground, president zelenskyy are getting angry they are saying you are watching our women and children being killed and you are doing nothing. it's a tense situation and certainly the view on the u.s.

response shifting, getting more negative in ukraine. >> shannon: the interview you had with the soldier yesterday, he's venting his emotions and frustration and anger. we can understand that as he's watching his home country being attacked. men, women, and children losing their lives and calls for international help. we have to admit, there has been an overwhelming response when it comes to sanctions and trying to feed and weaponry and all those things along those lines. so far, the big things from the big asks from the zelenskyy administration, there isn't a movement on that in any discernible way in washington but we will continue to watch and to see. as you mention the vice president in the region, she did not get great marks on her last visit to munich. we will see as she does another round through romania and poland. we will get back to just a minute. i want to bring in bret baier as he has been tracking the latest developments in ukraine, he's back at the map.

>> bret: let's take a look at what we are seeing in ukraine over the past 24-36 hours. incremental movement by russian forces as we've seen, more movement towards kyiv from a number of different areas, a little movement out here in kharkiv. we are seeing bombardment and a number of different cities especially around kyiv, the suburbs. bombardment from the outside before encircling a city. we haven't seen full encircling yet in many places including odessa, we were expecting more of a run at that by russian forces but it hasn't happened yet. as you look closer to kyiv, you can see these fingers coming down. these are russian forces moving and they are getting supplied from belarus with food and fuel. but the main effort is this bombardment into submission

which we have seen around the country. this is a closer look at kyiv. this is downtown, these globs are russian forces intruding but they are seeing a lot of ukrainian defense and a lot of pushback by ukrainian forces. in fact thousands and thousands of russian soldiers according to u.s. intelligence have already died in this conflict and that is taking its toll. we have talked a little bit about the nuclear facilities, chernobyl in the north cut off to electricity. there was some concern in the heat could build up there and radioactivity could leak out. radiation, rather -- that hasn't happened. the iaea says they are convinced that nuclear experts the russians are controlling this particular facility. there are a number of different reactors throughout the country

that are of concern. in the south the most activity we have seen is up here in mariupol. we saw those horrific bombardments in the maternity hospital earlier today. some movement by russian forces this way we expect it's going to go down to the port city of odessa. this so far has not been touched, there hasn't been this landing that was suspected to take the port city as of yet. the people in odessa, we've seen video of them barricading and building up and training, getting ready for a big fight there. ukrainian forces holding very steady on this. mariupol, june 21st. this is a shopping center, cars parked out here, a grocery store. just like you would see in any u.s. city. but the bombardment has been intense and there you see the reaction or the aftermath this shopping center taken out by a

cruise missile or a bomb as well as this grocery store. these are just a few miles from that maternity hospital that we saw hit. in that hospital, amazingly only 17 people injured, no one died to pick up deaths are taking up. civilians, military, and russian military as this insurgency looks like it's going to last for quite some time. we'll keep tracking at. >> shannon: we'll a check back with you in just a minute, thank you very much. the white house taking a concerted effort tonight to lay the blame for skyrocketing gas prices in the u.s. at the feet of vladimir putin. correspondent chris jenkins is tracking that story tonight. >> a classic rebranding is underway as the administration tries to blame russia for the incredible pain americans are feeling at the pump. if you're looking for that rebranding, look no further than the white house communications director kate bedingfield's

tweet. she said for months putin has been saber rattling in for months gas prices has been going up, up $0.75 since he began his military buildup. this is the #putinpricehike in action. at the white house, our own peter doocy pressing jen psaki on it. >> why did you guys decide to rebrand the rising gas prices as the #pollutantpricehike >> if you want to use that on fox i welcome that. six months ago i don't think anybody would be predicting exactly where we are as it relates to russia and ukraine. >> gas prices were soaring well before the war in ukraine as the administration refused to increase domestic production. now the white house is encouraging oil and gas companies to tap into some 9,000 unused leases but the head of the american petroleum institute is calling them out on it.

>> what the biden administration is saying right now is complete red herring, they don't understand the process when it comes to leasing. it takes a very long time to develop those leases and get them permitted to. >> than there the keystone xl pipeline that biden shut down on day one of his presidency. jen psaki says there is no to restart instruction on it despite saying all options are on the table. meanwhile, the administration is reaching out to unlikely partners in iran and venezuela for help and that's drawn criticism from republicans. >> this administration consistently does things that make us more dependent on bad guys around the world and tonight to see him running to iran and venezuela -- if you want to cut off putin as we should, the right solution isn't aligned somebody else's pockets along the way. >> it's worth noting on that keystone pipeline, jen psaki said no plans to restart but she didn't totally rule it out. we'll and see if that changes is

the cost of gas is continuing to rise. >> shannon: we will see you again i just a bit. we want to bring in a benjamin hall and also bret baier in washington to talk about the latest developments in russia's war on ukraine. a lot of people didn't think it would take this long and there are pockets of resistance as he just showed us all over the place still. >> more than up a few pockets of resistance. everyone thought of vladimir putin's forces would take kyiv in a matter of days which they have not done but also curious as to why they haven't moved down towards odessa. we aren't quite sure what's happening, we want to put it down to the brazilians of the bravery of the ukrainian fighters. they have been armed with those stingers and javelins, we assume that is playing a big role in this and also russian troops are having a difficult time getting resupplied. they had logistical issues early on. moving away from the borders of

russia and belarus they find it increasingly hard to get all of the kit and a supply and fuel lines that they really need. we were talking earlier and i wondered if you had a view on this whether or not there is a redline for the americans, whether at some point they would get involved. what would vladimir putin have to do to cross that line? >> bret: i think it's a great question and it's something that this mig 29 back and forth has brought to the front. you can't distinguish between 17,000 stingers and javelins that are taking russian tanks and armored vehicles and aircraft out of the skies and i think mig 29s which would do something similar. the administration is doing that thing the intelligence community makes a determination somehow it's an escalation beyond what is already happening. there is this giant concern about world war iii but as these images continue to, and as this bombardment continues to happen,

there will be more and more calls for the u.s. and nato to get involved in some way, shape, or form. today, president zelenskyy talked with house speaker pelosi for 45 minutes. after that call, it was already in the works, $13.6 billion were inserted into emergency spending that is passing congress. that is more than the biden administration asked for. if it goes forward quickly and we expect it will, that some way, shape, or form will be funneled into ukraine. for them, not fast enough but it is happening. >> shannon: we keep having this conversation about the mig jets, others are raising this question about if we are sending and stinger missiles, javelins and these different things that are clearly coming from us, how these jets -- where do we draw the line in saying whatever putin says offends him as a

provocation. just missiles, he's playing the game and calling the shots? >> bret: he is and he controls a lot of the cards here because of the nuclear facilities out of the nuclear weapons that he holds. however, at some point, the u.s. may say okay, enough of this. that is where that decision-making happens pickle leadership is tough. you make a decision and in a social media world that decision is debated around the world before you ever make a decision. i think you are seeing that now. poland's announcement was enter ally back and forth saying don't tell us we are dragging our feet, you take them. it became an old maid card, no, you take them. what's not happening? the mig's onto making their way to ukraine. >> shannon: benjamin we have much more coming up from you live, we will have another visit at the big board as well loving

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>> shannon: welcome back to special coverage of fox news at night, i'm shannon bream in d.c. >> and i'm benjamin hall in kyiv, lucas tomlinson is reporting to us from the west in lviv, let's also bring bret baier in this conversation. we know the sanctions are having a crippling effect on the russian economy, they are also having a knock on effect on the u.s. economy and gas prices, they don't seem to be affecting vladimir putin's thinking. do they start to affect the u.s.

thinking if at some point those gas prices keep rising? how long do you think there is the appetite to keep those so high? >> bret: that is a great question and one we don't know the answer to. this week, quinnipiac had a poll. if you are willing to pay more for gas in this moment to put the pressure on russia, about 71% of the people polled -- that's not to say that the feeling across america. but there is some leeway here that they have. gas prices took a tumble today, they went down the first time this week. it is one little blip in the oil picture, the question is how we are going to deal with this, whether it is going to be american production pushed for or whether they're going to rely on venezuela or iran or

saudi arabia to increase production and that is where the administration seems relying. >> shannon: we were talking about a few minutes ago this hasn't gone the way putin likely thought it was going to go, resistance all across ukraine -- people rising across there. there's a lot of conversation and concern about where putin is mentally. if you feel like a wounded, trapped corner, a lot of people speculating it makes them more dangerous than ever. especially when it seems like he doesn't have a lot of confidence in his army on the ground. >> there's no question -- >> certainly. >> shannon: you want to jump in? >> go ahead, lucas. >> i was going to see you talk about losses, five to make 6,000 russian soldiers it doesn't give putin a lot of confidence in his

military but it's been suggested there is no sign he is backing down as these sanctions keep ramping up, putin keeps putting more forces in this country, all 150,000 russian forces that were massed along the border exactly two weeks ago are now inside fighting in this country, sanctions don't look like they are having any effects. the house of representatives is voting on banning sanctions and fanning russian oil and natural gas, passed overwhelmingly. how long this at last -- one paycheck, two paychecks, three paychecks? i'm sure at some point they will be pushed back in the west. >> just to add to the putin conversation, there is a difference between when he engaged in the wars in georgia and crimea, chechnya where we would see regular images of him surrounded by his defense staff and a lot of military analysts. today he seems isolated, this is a war driven exclusively by

vladimir putin. to find any off-ramp here, he needs to have some kind of a victory. everyone is wondering what that could be, how many concessions can the ukrainians make to allow putin -- we see the foreign ministers in ukraine and russia meeting today in turkey. i wonder if there is any room for a negotiated settlement at this point whether it's too early to start talking about that. >> bret: i think you are starting to see zelenskyy signal some things he's willing to do. one is to talk about never being in nato or at least not being in nato anytime soon. i think the negotiated possibilities trying to push as world leaders for a negotiated settlement is the kind of thing that possibly brings us to an end but you are right to say that putin has to have a landing spot because he is right now that dog backed up into the corner of the room. i will say the u.k. ministry of defense today tweeted out that

russia confirmed it's using thermo barrack bombs inside ukraine, the vacuum bombs. these as you know, they explode, they suck the oxygen, the use the chemicals and suck the oxygen. they are devastating for a civilian population, they were used in syria and they can literally change the dynamic of what we are looking at every night in these bombings that are still horrific. >> thank you very much for joining us, lucas as well. we'll be right back after the break, stay with us, more coverage of the ukraine war, come back. when we found out our son had autism, his future became my focus. lavender baths always calmed him. so we turned bath time into a business. ♪ and building it with my son has been my dream job. ♪ at northwestern mutual, our version of financial

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its deadly siege of ukrainian cities tonight, an air strike hitting a maternity and children's hospital in mariupol. the search for survivors in a devastated city. pickle let's discuss the state of the war with former navy seal scott taylor, great to have you back on the show. >> always a pleasure to be with you. >> the president and the white house have said this is -- the rising gas prices and inflation, all of those things. they have a hashtag now. "new york times" says they have their villains, and big oil. democratic strategists are happy that it will stabilize their poll numbers and help their candidates come every fight needs a villain and right now there is no better one than the putin says consultant and pollster, do you think that message will resonate with americans? >> it may resonate with some voters who might not be paying

attention, not paying attention and listening to his messaging. i think there are a lot of voters out there that understand gas prices have been going up 75% before the russian incursion and invasion into ukraine. there's no question that the president certainly has some blame here in rising gas prices for sure. politics is politics and he will use it to his advantage as much as possible domestically. >> shannon: a little bit of back-and-forth with our peter doocy at the white house with jen psaki today, we will play a little bit of that. >> why did you guys decide to rebrand the rise in gas prices as the #putinpricehikes >> if you want to use that on fox, the buildup of troops in the decision to do that earlier this year led to the a lot of instability and volatility in oil markets, the buildup of military troops is leaving to volatility an increase in prices, hence you have the gas

price pump. >> shannon: they clearly settled on the message of the messaging. >> the reality is this administration before they came and were very hostile to oil and gas industry. in 2019 america was energy independent when president trump left office, they left the mat. president biden was clear that he was going to be hostile to the oil and gas industry and he has been. you have covid in their which crushed demand and now he has some publicly traded oil companies apprehensive about investments in shale gas because it got crushed during covid to. there is putin of course but there is no question this administration has been very hostile to the oil and gas industry. now their tune is changing. >> shannon: what do you make of the conversations they are having with venezuela and potentially other bad actors of

the release of two americans in venezuela sparking a lot of interest in what kind of wheeling and dealing may be going on behind-the-scenes? >> i will defer a little bit for my folks in the party on venezuela specifically pickle iran is a huge different story and let me preface it by saying i'm all about american energy, baby. us being independent and supplying long-term natural gas contracts to europe and so on. however that being said, we are in an era of disruption, there's no doubt about it with covid end this war on ukraine. when i look at venezuela, they are in our backyard, i don't think our leaders have paid enough attention to our back yard for a long time. venezuelans see themselves as americans. sure we have nicolas maduro there, he's a big problem and we have to deal with him. venezuela have massive oil reserves, they have reserves every electronic that we have, they have supplied there. i do think there is potential for venezuela. it's not the same as iran, it's

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♪ ♪ >> shannon: welcome back to special coverage on "fox news @ night," we will check in with benjamin hall overseas and bring back in bret baier with us and we might have lucas tomlinson as well to continue our conversation. here in d.c., a lot of debating going on, planes are going to go or not going to go, what is your sense of where we are tonight on the d.c. side of things? speak to house just voted, the vote was 414 to 17 on the russia oil ban, it wasn't a surprise about that boat. they also have voted to move money, $13.6 billion to special funding for ukraine. i think there was a definite line, i think the hawks were being cautious about what the u.s. was going to do or commit

to end what nato was going to do or commit to and what that means for engaging in what they believed would become world war iii if it came to that. i don't think there is an answer for president zelenskyy who is calling for a no-fly zone and you guys on the ground no more than anything, they are saying they need it now. >> absolutely, they are saying they need it now. everyone here is grateful for the help and support they have received so far, 17,000 javelins delivered to this country in the last week or two alone, it's a remarkable number. people will point to the fact that it took them so long to start being delivered when russian forces were massing on the border, why weren't those javelins coming in sooner and stingers coming in sooner, why this last minute -- to deliver them? it's also quite curious to see how poorly the russian military has performed. we have javelins in the hands of these brave ukrainians but there's no doubt the russian

military has underperformed here and that is why you are getting a sense of optimism on the ground, can they continue holding them back? what more do they need to be able to do that? certainly president zelenskyy saying they need a lot more but you see around the capital kyiv they successfully held back the russian advance for a number of days now. despite all the predictions to the opposite. i wondered if you would talk about the nato response, they made it clear if a nato country is attacked article five will be triggered and they will come to defense -- do you think that is ironclad to. if putin took a little bit of estonia, do you think the u.s. would be willing to send its troops to fight over a small part of eastern europe? >> bret: i think it's pretty tight, article five is pretty locked solid no matter the administration which is why you are seeing increased forces including marines added to forces in poland and other places. if you were seeing patriot and other missile batteries heading

to poland. they are increasing that warning, don't cross this line. lucas, you've covered the pentagon, and set a fair statement? article five and nato it seems no matter the administration is pretty rock solid. >> there is no question, it's also what is frustrating for people in ukraine who wanted this country to be part of nato. remember in 2008 in bucharest, president bush at the time wanted nato membership for ukraine and georgia and what happened? vladimir putin sent his forces into georgia, focal months later he invaded this country six years later, crimea and the don east. reinforcing nato, we mentioned thousands of troops pouring into europe, 100,000 on the ground now just a two months ago that a number was close to 80,000. he's seen 20,000 troops in the

country, it's very frustrating for people on the ground here, they see all this firepower outside the country, they want it in. those patriot batteries are not going to be shooting down any russian jets over ukraine, they aren't going to be firing, that is for self-defense of u.s. forces and to protect the nato allies that ukraine is not a member of. >> shannon: i want to ask you about this continuing conversation about the mig's and poland and the u.s. a number of u.s. officials today are saying ukraine has an operable air force, there are aircraft there. they are making the argument it would make a demonstrable difference to have those mig's in the mix, what is the feeling on the ground in ukraine? speak of the feeling is, they say they need as much as they can get and whatever they can get but it is remarkable that the ukrainians still have some ability to fly their air force. it was expected the russians would come in and gain air

superiority almost immediately, that didn't happen. at this point they are saying we need those mig's. we don't know for example if the attack on the maternity hospital was dropped from the air or whether it was a cruise missile but certainly there are air strikes going on. here in kyiv we hear airplanes overhead constantly and we saw the defense systems going on this morning. they were certainly shooting down russian jets, russian jets are still up in the air but they are asking for more. it's an interesting one on the mig saga, poland seems very willing to give the mig's pick of the u.s. said it was very willing for them to go to ukraine but when it reached the point of deciding which country would actually hand them over, really more a bureaucratic issue than anything else, what will be the point of departure? that was when everyone turned away from it. no one wanted to be seen to be the last one holding these mig's before they handed them over. you are seeing that shift from

the pentagon saying it wouldn't make a huge amount of difference because this is largely a ground war, we are seeing vladimir putin using his tanks and armored convoys, the mig's one to make much difference. if you speak to people on the ground, they would argue every single round of ammunition, every stinger, every javelin, certainly every mig. do you think there is anything else in the cards of the u.s. can give right now other than what they have already given, how much more can they give without crossing this imaginary line they have stuck themselves when they think it will be too great of an escalation? >> bret: i think john kirby, they try to pin him down at the pentagon today on this question. jennifer griffin asking about a surface-to-air missiles which are effective against aircraft. it's a russian operation but other nato countries who have these and there are conversations about those countries doing more and getting those materials into the

country. i would say they are a possibility from other countries, not from the u.s. and more of these stinger missiles and more of these javelins that the ukrainians have used to great effect, we should point out taking down a lot of aircraft and a lot of tanks. >> shannon: i think we have an updated map and we wanted to look at the humanitarian crisis side of this pushing that 2 million number for people being displaced from their homes, from their lives, everything they know, leaving everything behind and trying to get to friendly neighboring countries. you have been there and it's been a hub of people coming through -- some staying there but on the way to try to get across the border into poland, romania and other locations, does not flow continue and are you seeing it increasing numbers? it looks like we're hitting hitting the 2 million mark. >> it's one of the most tragic things you'll ever see. you go to the train station in lviv, tens of thousands of

people poor again, it's packed. people grabbing what little they can put in a suitcase or a backpack, generally just grabbing their children -- that's what it comes down to. taking the possessions you have, we interviewed a woman yesterday who fled from kharkiv in northeast ukraine who grabbed her photos, her children, she had to spend a night in a church, it is horrific. just going back to what benjamin said about bureaucracy, it is bureaucracy about those mig's flying in here, those jets. it goes beyond that and that is nato is generally afraid of confronting russia in the sky. they don't want as an alliance, u.s. and nato don't want any fighter jets flying from any nato nations whether it's germany, poland into ukraine and taking on the russians, that is a very clear red line and something we talked about earlier. that is a nonstarter. back to the refugees, it is

horrific. people are flooding through more and more, 2 million people in two weeks. think about what it's going to be a few weeks from now, this whole conflict appears to be something that is going to stretch on for years and potentially rip this country apart. >> bret: it's a major refugee crisis. >> i was just going to say on the one hand we see the refugee crisis taking hold, we ask what more the allies in the western world can do and what we are seeing more than anything is these sanctions and now we are seeing private companies get involved. i think it's a critical move. i was wondering whether you think it had a real impact on russia, you see coca-cola, mcdonald's pulling out of russia, what that does to those companies and what that does to russia? doesn't push the russians away? can vladimir putin harness the narrative and suggested as the west attacking the people of russia or does it have tangible

good? >> bret: i think it makes a big difference because the news coverage inside russia is turned off, essentially. story lines of a lot of what we are seeing and the devastation is not brought to the russian people in day-to-day. they had a russian today and kirk, fired, talking about how she wanted to go to starbucks to get a cup of coffee and no longer can. it's affecting her, she said it's a real thing for people in moscow and russians used their life. mcdonald's saying they are losing $50 million a day but they are standing on principle for this no fry zone, i saw that today too. >> at what point are the people turning their ire on vladimir putin or going to turn their ire on the west? that will be something to follow

in the days and weeks ahead. >> shannon: like you said, something simple as going down the street to get your cup of coffee and again making the argument that it's the western world abandoning russia and not russia that is provoking or pushing it away. that is going to be the conversation they want to have their prickle we will continue our live coverage on the war in ukraine, second hour of "fox news @ night" coming up, stick around.

>> lucas: hello and welcome to fox news at night i'm shannon bream in washington. tonight air raid sirens going off in kyiv we're going to take you there live at dawn breaking in ukraine on the 15th day of war with russia. ukrainians also facing bitterly cold temperatures, many without electricity on this thursday morning there. devastating images showing what's left of a maternity and children's hospital i