not a lot of people saying that. i hope zelenskyy doesn't expect actual help or support from biden, he can't even support his own people. that is true. greg from auburn, washington, can you please find out what susan rice is doing for the said administration? i haven't heard a thing. thanks, everybody, for watching. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." happy monday. here is something we just saw, which we brought it to you earlier, latimer zelenskyy, the president of ukraine, even interview recently that didn't get enough attention in this country. he currently is engaged in a desperate fight for his country, his government, and his life, and he has been since the russian military invaded ukraine. if you can assume there's not zelenskyy thinks about at this point apart from getting the

russians off of ukrainian soil. so last week zelenskyy floated the idea of accepting so-called ukrainian neutrality, a green not to join nato. in exchange for that he would get a russian withdrawal from ukraine. is nothing inherently controversial about zelenskyy's idea. ukraine was not on the cusp of joining nato anyway, nato officials have long said they don't want ukraine to join. if it's not clear whose interests would be served by ukraine joining nato. so if accepting the status quo, and going with the way things are ready were and were always going to be, if doing that convinces putin to stop killing ukrainians and spares ukraine from total and complete destruction, maybe it's not a crazy idea. maybe zelenskyy is onto something. he has certainly thought about it a lot. maybe we ought to congratulate zelenskyy for asking wisely on behalf of the country he leads. this could be a win for him and for the entire world. probably not a american media outlets will describe it that way however.

indeed, by mentioning nato, a topic that is completely off-limits in american media, zelenskyy may have gone too far. daily, in every possible venue, we are told that nato is, paradoxically, both of central importance to the united states that at the same time irrelevant to what happens in eastern europe. if so years of talk about expanding nato into ukraine, and we watched those happen in public, that has nothing whatsoever to do with russia invading ukraine. nothing at all. that's what they tell us. putin invaded ukraine because he's bad, end of conversation. and anyone who says otherwise, anyone who suggests there might be a way out of this disaster short of total war, anyone who says that is immediately denounced as a tool of russian propaganda. so what does that mean? it means that by acknowledging that nato expansion is what putin seems to care about most, zelenskyy is by definition, at least in this country, repeating russian talking points.

that would make the president of ukraine a putin collaborator. sound insane? well, then you can still think clearly. but that's the state of play. how do we know this? let's just say that we've lifted. it made the point repeatedly that forcing ukraine into nato will in no way serve the interests of the united states and would hurt us here in ways from which we will never recover. and by the way, talking about it doesn't seem to have helped ukraine either. for saying that -- and that's always said -- here's the reaction we've received, and this is just a small selection. we could do a full hour on it but here's a clip. >> what seems to be almost the putin wing of the republican party, which to be fair, is not prevalent much on capitol hill, but we've seen tucker carlson, you know, basically repeat russian propaganda night after night. what the hell is going on? >> well, first of all, before they fell in love with putin, they fell in love with hungary.

let's make america more like hungary. >> the most popular republican broadcaster in america, tucker carlson, both unabashed fans of putin and are very few republicans out there like mitt romney or liz cheney who have the courage to call them out. this is a disgrace. >> how anybody in this country which loves freedom can side with vladimir putin, which is an oppressor, a dictator, he kills people, he imprisons his political opponents. he has been an adversary of america at every chance he's had. it's unthinkable to me. it's almost treasonous. >> tucker: almost treasonous. who is siding with putin? haven't seen anybody do that, have seen a few people try to side with the united states and that, says mitt romney, who got four deferments to keep himself out of the vietnam war, that is almost treasonous. we don't want to pick on

mitt romney here, it's too easy, but it does seem like if you take a step back, the very same people who spent the last, say, two years telling us that this country, our country, is inherently sinful and racist and disgusting and born in iniquity, those same people, the ones who lecture you about how there is something inherently wrong with you if you live here, or were born here, those same people have been the very quickest, the very first to whip around and accuse anyone who wants to save the united states from yet another pointless war, war that they would never fight in, nor with their children, accuse those people of being unpatriotic. you don't love america enough, says the man who thinks america is racist. we are not sure, but in case you will forgotten, here's the very same mitt romney marching with the very same people who told us that this is a white supremacist hell-hole, and we got to do away with the nuclear family, that's never done anybody any good. here he is.

>> a way to end violence and brutality into make sure the people people understand the black lives matter. >> tucker: so -- okay, it's just mitt romney, never a genius, obviously deep in the grip of some late life crisis, licking his wounds from being beaten by obama in 2012, okay, but it's not just mitt romney. imagine how you would feel if you are a business owner in kenosha or minneapolis or atlanta or louisville, if you were someone who, i don't know, used to go to st. john's church in washington, d.c., or works in the federal courthouse of portland, oregon, before blm torched all of it, you are long accustomed to knowing that your leaders don't really care about you. but when they reveal that they actively hate you, that's hard to take. so of course mitt romney is debasing himself, degrading himself in order to be liked in washington. yeah, we've seen that. of course. but it's deeper than that. needless to say, the people mitt romney wants to like him,

his new masters, were not satisfied with him marching with blm or denouncing his critics as almost treasonous. they want more. they won't be satisfied until every republican in the u.s. senate is wholly indistinguishable from chris hayes, they're getting pretty close. on sunday, yesterday, mitt romney edged a little closer. here's what he wrote to tulsi gabbard. tulsi gabbard is a former member of congress who currently serves as a lieutenant colonel in the u.s. army reserve, and unlike met romney, has been deployed. "tulsi gabbard is parroting false russian propaganda. her treasonous lies may well cost lives." treasonous lies have cost lives potentially. so you're betraying your country and committing murder. so what exactly did tulsi gabbard do? did she call for a violent overthrow the united states government? as she come out and pledged allegiance to putin? did she get a cyrillic tattoo on her neck? no. she didn't.

if what she said is we have a problem, here's how we know. she cited publicly available information and said we should probably deal with that problem. mitt romney was a consultant, for god sakes, accusing someone who's been in the army for nearly two decades of treason. people didn't used to talk that way. treason is a death penalty offense. it's absurd on its face. but if you watch the video that got mitt romney to call a fellow american treasonous and suggest she was committing murder, it really makes your head spin. here's what tulsi gabbard actually said that made mitt romney accuse her of betraying her own country. watch. >> here are the undeniable facts. there are 25 to 30 u.s.-funded bio labs in ukraine. according to the u.s. government, these bio labs are conducting research on dangerous pathogens.

ukraine is in an active war zone with widespread bombing, artillery, and showing in these facilities, even in the best of circumstances, could easily be compromised and release these deadly pathogens. >> tucker: yeah, she hates our country because she's worried that a pathogen might escape from a biolab and hurt people. there's no recent precedent for that, so she is clearly listening to alex jones too much and she's treasonous. actually everything that tulsi gabbard said, as you know, is true. republican issue, democrat issue, it's a factual issue. even in war truth is that good defense, it's the only defense. in a free country you can speak the truth. that right can never be taken away or else it's not a free country. but by the way, since we are speaking of fact, the director of the u.s. cooperative threat reduction program has confirmed that scientists are keeping soviet era pathogens for research purposes in ukraine. they told us they were

destroying them. they should have destroyed them, but they haven't. what could go wrong in an active war zone? and they knew that those pathogens existed and were being experimented upon, researched, and they didn't secure them before the russians invaded. though they knew the russian invasion was coming, because they told us. and then, the undersecretary of state who oversees this disaster, testified under oath that yes, russian forces might seize those bio labs in ukraine and we should all be very worried about the possibility. over the we can see this news reported that pentagon officials have confirmed that these bio labs in ukraine are in fact conducting research on anthrax and other "deadly pathogens." >> pentagon official i talked to this morning so there is no movement of chemical weapons into ukraine. at least they are not seeing the signs of it. the concern is that the russians will seize one of these biomedical research facilities that ukraine has where they do

research on deadly pathogens like botulism and anthrax, sees one of those facilities, weaponize the pathogen, and then blame it on ukraine in the u.s. because the u.s. has been providing support for some of the research being done in those facilities. >> tucker: so we are a little confused about what the diaper ventilating is about. you're at cbs say, you've heard say that russian macy's the biological agents in the ukraine and use them against ukrainians and who knows who else. you pause and think wait a second, if these are soviet era weapons, then presumably, the soviets, now called the russian government, probably have their own, so why would they want to seize stuff they already have? it doesn't make a lot of sense, but whatever. you'll notice the reporter you just saw the beginning of the clip is miffed that these pathogens are in ukraine.

doing research on botulism and anthrax. so any reasonable person would be concerned by that because there's a war going on. and by the way, why were they funding missing ukraine in the first place? that's a secondary question, maybe we can get to the bottom of that when the war is over. but tulsi gabbard addressed and only addressed the danger that innocent people could die because these weapons, apparently these pathogens, these agents, exist in ukraine. she didn't blame him in russia -- he didn't blame anybody. she just said this is a thing. unsecured bio weapons in a war zone are a bad idea. that's not reasonable now? that's treason? reason isn't part of the way people are thinking now. everybody in leadership has completely lost the ability to think beyond the next week. who is thinking about tomorrow or next month or 20 years from now? not one person. and anyone who tries is an agent of putin. >> now to a story of russia disinformation that has been quickly embraced and amplified

by some in america's right-wing media. state department undersecretary confirmed this week that there was bio research going on in ukraine. critics say that tucker carlson of fox news took those are marks out of context. >> now you see the chinese government kind of openly repeating russian propaganda. for example, about these supposed american bio labs ukraine. >> it's russian misinformation about bio labs in ukraine. people on the trump right were actually parroting russian propaganda every day and every night. >> tucker: these supposed bio labs. well, the u.s. government says they have bio labs and told us under oath that they are worried about the contents of these bio labs which they failed to secure, might get into the wrong hands, but it's right-wing putin propaganda. we are taking his or marks out of context. okay, what's the right context?

we asked, no one told us. robert pope, where they've taken out of context too? this is insane. there's a problem. before we even assign blame to the problem, it might be worth thinking how to fix the problem. but no. anyone who mentions it should shut up. and not just shut up, be shut up by force if necessary with jail time. we are going to do something we almost never do, we are going to play you a clip from "the view," which is now calling for the department of justice investigation into this show and tulsi gabbard. watch. >> what tucker carlson parents ever nice on fox news, whittlesey gabbert is spreading, is actually helping putin get away with criminal acts against civilians. >> i think doj, in the same way it is setting up a task force to investigate all of us, should look into people who are russian shilling for putin.

if you are a foreign asset to a dictator, it should be investigated. in fact, i remember when tulsi gabbard -- and i even hate that we are discussing it because i think to myself who is this woman, how do you not call out something that is repeating false russian propaganda? >> they use to arrest people for doing stuff like this. >> tucker: really? they used to arrest people for saying stuff like this. when did they arrest people for saying stuff like this, and who is they exactly? the former karen elaine johnson didn't tell us, she kept it big because that weighs a lot more threatening and you will shut up. we hesitate to show up, we are making an exception tonight because "the view" is not around to alone, a lot of people sound like this. it's one of these that sounds insane, i can't believe i said that. and then over time what sounded crazy the first time you heard it sounds a little more normal and then three weeks into the

war, it sounds like probably pretty necessary. keith olbermann is always at the cutting edge of things like this. he was watching "the view" today, there's not a lot else to do and responded by writing this on twitter. they, us, our russian assets and there is a war. there's a case for detaining them materially. trials are a sign of good faith and patience on the part of democracy." [laughs] so we are at war with russia! we must send you to the gulag because freedom! because a democracy, the one thing democracy doesn't have patience for his dissenting views from its own citizens, particularly citizens who sincerely hope and pray for the best for their own country. those people must be imprisoned militarily. that's what he's saying. and no one is disagreeing. all permanent washington, every orifice of the national media, all fully aligned to push a single message.

what was the last thing that happened? ought to make you nervous. senator rob portman of ohio, who is leaving, thankfully, said the other day that the current moment is the most united this country has been since 9/11. he's right in one way, it is certainly right that the united states congress. as of this afternoon, nine out of the last ten tweets that he sent have been about ukraine. oh. not a single tweet about the fact you're getting poorer by the day, trying to fill up your car? on amazon last night a single jar of organic peanut butter cost 15 bucks. that's just one product. on a retailer renowned for offering the cheapest possible -- 15 bucks for a jar of peanut butter. spread out across the entire grocery store and that's what you're looking at. if that going to help with the fentanyl? the killings that are going on right now? 100,000 people that died last year? no. he doesn't care. what he cares about is ukraine and he that concern with lindsey graham and chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and of course liz cheney. so they are unified, but what's

so interesting, if this is such a unifying moment, then why was their first instinct to denounce fellow americans as traders and call for them to be imprisoned? really unifying? they don't care about ukraine, a lot of these people, anymore than they cared about george floyd. they used tragedy, george floyd's death, the tragic invasion of ukraine, for domestic lyrical purposes. this is unleashed something really dark in the united states. in order to make wise decisions you have to be rational, thoughtful, forward thinking, and calm. and they are the opposite of all of those things. tulsi gabbard knows very well what wise assessments of crisis look like. it met romney says she should be arrested for it but she hasn't been yet, so she joins us tonight. tulsi gabbard, thanks so much for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: what would be your response to mitt romney?

>> welcome the first of all, i think it's important to point out here that this is not a matter of disagreement or holding a dissent. this is about facts and this is about the truth, so while senator romney and all these different talking heads in the mainstream media are regurgitating hillary clinton's slanderous talking points, the facts remain. if number one is they are accusing me of saying that somehow there are bio weapons labs in ukraine. i said no such thing at any point. i have said that there are bio labs in ukraine that have received u.s. support that contain dangerous pathogens that if those labs are breached, and the world is facing a potential future of pandemics, that this is a dangerous crisis that needs to be addressed immediate, these pathogens need to be destroyed. the second thing are saying is they deny, even though there is a plethora of evidence that exists, they deny that these bio labs are even there, which is

shocking to me, we heard over and over, you played so many clips from people in the mainstream media saying these bio labs, these supposed bio labs, as though they are some fantasy went over and over and over again officials from our own government, to permit of state, department of defense, and so on, are saying these bio labs in ukraine have dangerous pathogens and we are very concerned that they may be breached. that is the concern that i've continued to raise because it is not left or right, democrat or republican, this is serious safety and health and life concern for the american people and people around the world, and so the media is lying. they are not only lying about this. you saw headlines a couple of days ago, tulsi gabbard paid off i russian agents. what the media is lying about is the fact that an american citizen gave my campaign $59 contribution coming from a woman i've never met, someone i don't know i don't know anything

about, but somehow they feel justified in saying tulsi gabbard is being paid off. the danger in the media lying so blatantly to the american people, these so-called journalists who have a responsibility to the public, it poses a very direct threat to our democratic republic because they continue to get away with it, they continue to parrot and propagate these lies and they need to be held accountable. they need to be exposed. >> tucker: by the way, the u.s. government has said that there are bio weapons -- soviet era bio weapons that we are going to destroy that we haven't. they said that, we are just responding to what they have said. but i wonder if you quickly assess the way people are thinking is what scares me the most. we can debate about what we believe the facts are but if we are incapable of thinking rationally, if our first instinct is to denounce something we don't like is treasonous propaganda and call for a jail sentence, i mean, what -- who is leading this country? >> i think it's important to recognize that facts exist,

especially in this case, facts exist and the truth is the first casualty of war. and so this is exactly what we are seeing here. people have a very specific agenda, refusing to recognize the truth, refusing to has a nonacademic have a conversation and instead were immediately resorting to their tactics of silence, smear, and anyone who y anything they don't like. >> tucker: thank you for not being bowed. you care but the country, and you clearly do, you got to be honest and try your best to think about the wisest course forward, period, regardless of what they call you and i'm grateful you are doing that. tulsi gabbard, thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: so the war on ukraine is of course ongoing this hour. ferocious and parts russian forces advancing on the capital city. a live report on that next. ♪ ♪

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- i had an important job and it wasn't just a job, it was keeping my brothers and sisters safe. and coming back, it felt like, kind of thrown away. it's like, you're useless, you know? "we don't really have a need you now because you can't really do anything for us." that's the way i felt. if it hadn't have been for wounded warrior project,

i honestly don't know if i would be here. it was the comradery that i saw it was like, i got my family back again because we all had some sort of injury or illness that we didn't have to talk about but we all felt the connection, like, that brother and sisterhood. >> tucker: fox news alert for you, the ukrainian city appears to be under heavy bombardment at the moment. this comes as russian forces continued their assault on the capital city. greg palkot is live in ukraine for us tonight. greg, what do you see? >> hagerman tucker. yes, the unrelenting bombardment by russia of ukraine with little

care for civilian life continues especially around the capital of kyiv. the main russian forces are sitting about -- that does not stop them from pummeling locations closer in. one video shows a man walking through the park in the middle of the day one a blast from a rocket it's a bus on the far side, destroying it. he was okay. another person was killed and others were injured. two people were killed, three injured, when artillery a residential building in the city. windows were blown out, a fire raged, firefighters tried to make their way into the building to rescue people. something like 900 russian missiles have flown into this country in the last 18 days or so. overnight, last night, we had missiles hit nearby where we are right now and about two hours ago, we heard another air raid siren, maybe another strike, so they are not just focusing on

kyiv, but they are going all across the country and it's not getting any better by the day. back to you. >> tucker: no, or safer for the journalist to cover it. greg palkot, thanks so much for that. we rarely quote the u.n. secretary general, but in this case, secretary general said something pretty obvious that we might want to keep in mind. the conflict in ukraine could go sideways and very quickly wind up in a nuclear conflict. here's part of that. >> part of the escalation of the war whether by accident or design threatens all of humanity. raising the alert of russian nuclear forces is a bone chilling development. the prospect of nuclear conflict, once unthinkable, is now back within the realm of possibility. the security and safety of nuclear facilities must also be preserved. it's time to stop the horror unleashed on the people of ukraine and get on the path of

diplomacy and peace. >> tucker: just under merrick that's a pretty reasonable assessment. so they tell us that putin is mentally ill. we can't assess that, contrary to what we have heard, you don't have access to putin, but if that's true and it certainly may be true, almost no one in the russian government seems to have anticipated the invasion of ukraine, so he's clearly volatile at the least. why would you ever risk getting into a full-blown war with a volatile crazy person who has thousands of nuclear weapons? what would happen if you did that connect maybe we think beyond today, just for a moment, but no one is. areas of foreign policy analyst, it is thinking today. he's spent a lot of time in simulations in the nato versus russia war, wrote a fantastic piece we could recommend about how this war is really about regime change. senior director of the center national interest, he joins us

tonight. harry, thanks so much for coming on. so again, almost never play anything about u.n. official, because who cares what they think but that did seem -- that did seem real. how would you assess the risk? >> the risk is very real and i would actually put it at there is a specific chance that roughly about 40% chance that we could actually have a nuclear war in europe. the reason i say that is actually went back over the last couple days looking at some of my old war simulations between russia and nato. years ago i thought a lot of it is just an academic exercise. the one in a million chance this could happen. the one in a million possibilities that there could actually be this conflict and i would take grad students through it, i would take actually former obama, trump administration officials, even people now that are actually in the biden administration and i looked at every single time that russia and nato got this close to actual conflict and it was 40% of the time that they got towards a nuclear war. that is how real the stakes are.

we have to think about this carefully, and as you said, we have to take the long view and figure out a way to try to de-escalate this before things get worse. >> tucker: it feels like biden, who i think has been the worst president in history, but does have a kind of got level understanding of the risk, but people like tori newlin, there are some actual lunatics around. are you confident they can keep this within conventional bounds? >> i think so but i think also of course, dislike anything, the enemy, vladimir putin -- i was very concerned about the missile strikes that happened over the weekend. those cruise missiles came within 15 miles of the polish border, of nato territory. and keep in mind, biden demonstration officials keep saying over and over we will defend every inch of nato territory. okay, that makes a lot of sense, but god forbid, what if one of those missiles lands in nato territory? then god forbid if one of those missiles it's a hospital, a school, or kills one person. the calls for war and for blood

or going to go through the roof. then we are going to be in a situation where we are not going to de-escalate this and we are going to go from a genocidal disaster in ukraine to a world disaster. we don't want that. >> tucker: yeah, think beyond today. that would be our plea to the people in charge. thank you for doing that, or appreciate you on tonight. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: if you're watching tv you know the only place in a world where there's violence is ukraine. but that's not true actually, there's a lot of violence in this country. in some cities, american citizens can't use public transportation without fear of getting attacked by serial criminals who have been allowed to roam the streets. so we can worry about two things at once. instead we are going to worry about that. be right back. ♪ ♪ for good. try golo. no subscriptions, just real results that last! -i've lost 70 pounds. -58 pounds. -22 pounds. -128 pounds. 138 pounds in nine months. crazy, right? (laughing) (announcer) it's time to put dieting behind you and get your health and vitality back.

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>> tucker: welcome back. as you saw earlier in the show from the video that we played you in greg palkot's report, what's happening in ukraine really is a tragedy, a lot of people have died, we have no idea where it's going, it is

absolutely a disaster and it's sad and anyone watching it cares. but you're never going to get us to care more about what's happening in ukraine than what's happening in the united states. we are not ukrainian, weary american. if we can care about two things at once but we will always care about the united states most because we were born here and we are staying. with that in mind an update on what's happening in the pacific northwest. amazon moving many of facilities out of seattle that his homebase, why? because the city is out of control, due to crime. a homeless man, a regular offender who of course was on the streets like so many, just through an elderly woman down a flight of stairs. that's a tragedy too. jason rantz hosts a radio show in seattle if he has, as always, the details with us exclusively. good to see you. >> good to see you, tucker. so homeless addicts and criminals have pretty much taken over seattle. they continue and a lot of it is centered on the street were some amazon offices are located. in under five days, the street

just about two blocks away from the famous markets are two homicides, three stabbings, at a carjacking and it's gotten so bad, as you mention, that amazon gave nearly 2,000 workers access to new offices to move to just for safety. at the same time, not far from this location we have yet another example of the crime crisis, a brutal completely unprovoked assault was caught on surveillance, 62-year-old nurse was leaving the light rail station in seattle's chinatown neighborhood. prosecutors say 40-year-old alexander jay ran up the escalator to grab her and then throw her down the stairs. when she lands, tumbling at the first landing, he then goes down to again pick her up and throw her. the nurse ends up suffering three broken ribs and a broken clavicle. police end up arresting him the next day and now he faces second-degree assault. but when he was on the loose, for seattle times coverage left out the race because he happens to be black.

race has not been deemed relevant to why the assault took place but obviously relevant to us being on the lookout for him. on top of that, now that he's been arrested, media outlets are not saying that he is homeless. he has 22 convictions, he is part of this surge of homeless criminals that keep reoffending and it's clearly relevant, but the media doesn't want to tell you that. >> tucker: jason rantz for us, that's horrifying. thank you. >> yeah. >> tucker: that's as upsetting as any video we played you from ukraine. it's totally pointless and very common and everybody knows it is and everybody ignores it. but we are not going to buried instead of doing anything about any of this, our leaders are making it much worse by letting millions of foreign nationals, about whom we know nothing, into this country illegally in just the last year. in the rio grande valley sector alone of the u.s., over the past year there's been a 92% increase in illegal migrant encounters. meanwhile, deportations are plummeting. so your country is complete with

changing at the exact moment they are telling you to put her ukrainian flag in your twitter handle. i wonder why that is. you're allowed to care about your own country. it's okay. you're not a mouthpiece for putin, you're not committing treason. sorry, mitt romney, if you care about your own country. in fact it's your duty, you live here, so do your kids. you can't jet off wherever mitt romney's kids go, you're stuck here, so you should care. so you should know in the 12 months and this past september i said it had removed 59,000 noncitizens for the u.s. that's down more than threefold from 185,000 illegals deported in fiscal year 2020. that is the lowest since at least 1995. so you see what happened. millions of new people and no one says anything? because the american borders don't matter but ukraine's borders are so important we will risk nuclear war for them? you can't say that enough, because it's real. stephen miller is a former white house senior advisor who covered the immigration issue. virtually everything he predicted came true, that's why they hate him so much and what we are so proud to have internet.

thanks for coming on. this does seem like it's accelerating, the invasion of the united states from the south. >> well, last year was the largest year for illegal immigration in american history certainly in world history, and this year we are already seeing substantial dramatic increases on top of last year's record breaking numbers. so we are looking at many billions of unlawful foreign nationals seeking to enter this country without any legal permission whatsoever to completely change our country. and i think of the americans of elation falls because we had no border, history will record with the greatest astonishment that we barely even spoke of it. we barely even spoke of it. millions of workers are being displaced from their jobs, our taxpayers are being drained of their finances, our hospital and medical system is crashing. our educational system is being destroyed. it's not being destroyed for the reason that our students are

performing. it's being destroyed because we are adding in students who do not speak their own language and do not write their own language at a proficient level and they don't speak our own language at all and we can't keep up with that. and of course human casualties, transnational murderers cartels are operationally controlling our border. they are murdering people on both sides of the border and their drugs are killing people in the prime of their lives and it's destabilizing the entire hemisphere. it is also the epicenter worldwide of child trafficking and exploitation. all of this happening barely without notice, barely without comment i'm a human tragedy and a historic tragedy unrivaled in memory. >> tucker: it's amazing and republicans have done nothing because there worried about losing the hispanic vote but look at the polling, it shows that hispanic americans hate this, which is one of the reasons they are abandoning the democratic party, so whoever's giving advice -- exactly. the rnc, you know, some

republican senator, those people should go do something useful with their lives. they have no idea what they're doing. stephen miller, i appreciate your coming on tonight and speaking as clearly as you always do. thank you so much. we will be right back. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ >> tucker: you know, if you take three steps back, the problem with the debate that were having over ukraine and russia and particularly with bio labs in ukraine isn't that people disagree about what the facts are. it's that nobody involved seems to be able to think clearly, think rationally, think empirically. everyone seems to have gone crazy, and that's bad because the people who have gone crazy for the ones making all of the decisions. so it's not really about this specific issue. it's about our leaders' capacity to lead. but the bio weapon story is such a perfect illustration so we just talk to tulsi gabbard who was denounced as treasonous and potentially a murderer by a sitting u.s. senator. admittedly it was mitt romney but he spoke for many great she said look, the undersecretary of

state has said under oath there are bio labs in ukraine. in the contents of those labs, because it's a war zone, they haven't been secured, could wind up in the wrong hands, to which tulsi gabbard said holy smokes, this is a big deal. i served in the u.s. army, we don't know that. we know the bio labs can sometimes called, because massive problems for the world. i think we've just seen that. that was tulsi gabbard's point. "the new york times" was quick to denounce us for even talking about the subject. oh, don't call them bio weapons. we never alleged the united states was making bio weapons, we don't know that. what we said it's was -- is what's factually true, which is there are stores -- we learned this from a u.s. government -- of soviet era bio weapons in ukraine that for some reason have not yet been destroyed. that's a huge problem potentially. in "the new york times" admitted that in their attack of us. mr. pope, who runs the program, had warned that russia's invasion of ukraine may damage

laboratories in the country that conduct research into these surveillance and are supported by the united states are he noted that some of the facilities they contain pathogens once used for soviet era bio weapons programs. but he emphasized the ukrainian labs did not have the ability to manufacture bio weapons. okay. we quoted him too. that's true and it's terrifying. and if we can't respond to it because everyone's afraid of being called a tool of a foreign country, people who are trying their very hardest with the greatest level of sincerity to protect the united states, then we have lost the thread and we can't leave the world, we can't even lead our own country. if people like that are in charge. and those people, by the way, have corrupted most american institutions and that would very much include our schools and our military. canadian professor who can see this country pretty clearly, he's looked into what has gone wrong, what ideas have poisoned the once great system.

and he explained it in an amazing interview we had with him recently. here's part of it. ♪ ♪ >> it almost seems impossible that our current path doesn't lead to actual disaster. >> i agree. and i've been warning against this for many years. people would say oh, you're exaggerating, you're being bombastic, you're being hyperbolic. i would say look, lebanon is coming. it may be in 50 years, it may be in a hundred years, but the end culmination of where we are going is not sustainable, right? you can't constantly promulgate this tribal identity stuff and it not leading to problems down the road, so i complete agree with you, we are preparing ourselves -- look, we can resolve it today peacefully or we will resolve it tomorrow violently. there's no escaping. >> people from cultures like the one you grew up in as a boy understand this and you are upset about it and i've spoken to people from rwanda who feel this very strong way.

you say it so often out loud, what is the dash i mean, it's so obviously true. what's the response that you get? >> often times they kind of reject us. you're exaggerating. so for example, when i would warn people about all the parasitic ideas, for now 25 years, which led to me writing this book, people would say but why are you so worried, this is just some esoteric department and the humanities but these bad ideas eventually escaped, just like the covid virus escaped from the lab -- at least that's what we think happened -- bad ideas start off, they are spawned in the university campus. i always are my people it's a reworking of a george orwell quote, takes academics to come up with some of the dumbest ideas possible. so the ideas start off and they are verified in ivory tower but eventually they escaped, eventually they become our prime minister. >> tucker: grew up in the middle of the lebanese civil war, he knows how wrong it can go, fascinating.

it's on fox nation right now. we will be right back. ♪ ♪

>> tucker: that's it for us tonight. that interview on fox nation really is worth watching. it's great. we will be back tomorrow. in the meantime, you have a right to care about what happens in your country to your family and the right to demand more from your leaders. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> sean: welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. tonight, amidst stiff resistance the russian army isn't tempting to encircle ukraine's capital city of kyiv inch by inch and tonight it does appear they are making progress, albeit slow progress. president zelenskyy says that russia can only take the city if it raises kyiv to the ground, but that is exactly probably what putin is planning. this is now an extra ordinarily dangerous time for ukraine and the entire world and to make things dramatically worse, the world does not have a strong and a decisive