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you're watching "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner, along with emily compagno and with us today lauren, tomi lahren and joe concha. great to see you guys. [sirens] >> harris: this video captures russian shelling hit a school outside of kharkiv, 21 people died in that attack. russian forces hit a city northeast of the capital kyiv. in the same city, the state department confirmed an american james whitney hill were among a group of civilians in a bread line this week, lined up trying to get food on short supply. the russian forces opened fire on them. the invasion now has shifted

west with the attack near lviv's international airport. putin knocking on nato's door. mike tobin reporting live. mike, you have watched escalation of this for sirens and explosions outside, what is it like right now? sun is setting soon. >> mike: the sun is setting, right now relatively peaceful in the western part of ukraine. on occasion as we got at dawn this morning, air-raid sirens blare. when you hear the air-raid sirens blare, there is no impact, today was different. four cruise missiles made impact just outside the lviv airport. the regional governor for lviv region says they were crews missiles fired from long-range bombers over the black sea. the target was lviv state aircraft repair plant, the only plant according to ukrainian

media able to customize mig 29s so they can be used by the ukrainian air force. it adds to the trend of russian expanding targets into the west. the lviv regional governor believes ground forces are too bogged down in the south and east and capital city to bring the fighting here. >> we believe in our victory, have not managed to capture big cities. i believe it will be difficult for them to move to the west. each kilometer they would like to capture will be more and more difficult for them because ukrainians are united as never before. >> mike: to the east, civilian casualties mount in the town of kharkiv, one of the first towns attacked. ukrainian forces have held ground forces from advancing. civilian casualties are said to be so severe the morgue is

overflowing, the trend is consistent northeast of kyiv, forces need to get through to get to kyiv, but can't get control of charnhiv, so are pounding civilians. that is where the american james whitney hill was killed while standing in a bread line and killed in cold blood. the trend with civilians being killed, according to ukrainians, they believe the russians cannot beat ground forces and are trying to break the will of the ukrainian people. >> harris: ukrainian people have proven their will cannot be broken. mike tobin, one of the journalists on the ground doing great work, we're appreciative. when we look at the ramp-up of this, joe concha, the picture and news gathering and journalism, it doesn't give a complete picture of what putin is capable of and what he's

carrying out through an army of terrorists right now. >> joe: that is a great description that you use here, harris. president zelenskyy's video he showed to congress on wednesday was the most heart-wrenching and graphic we've seen and brought this war home as far as the human toll. you have to wonder what vladamir putin, this war criminal, this terrorist, title of president is thinking right now. he thought this would be crimea or georgia and he would take the country in a few days or a week or two. instead the russian military is bogged down, body bags are piling up, being transported to russia. word of mouth is spreading among the russian people things are not going as planned. if ukrainian surrenders and no scenario we can see that happening given how they are protecting their homeland, how

puppet game of putin could exist in ukraine when the population will be running resistance against 24 similar 7 for as long as it takes, this is a worthy conversation. i don't see if he gets a surrender how he wins anything, it will make afghanistan look like utaupia when the soviets occupy that country, harris. >> harris: excellent point what it must be like for putin. maybe that is why he held that rally in the largest soccer stadium in russia that has 82,000 seats. there is the video on the left of your screen. we had a loose translation what he was trying, trying to pray scripture over the people. they cut away, we don't know why and went to a patriotic song. a lot was repetition. congresswoman had a good point, general jack keane, too. they did not volunteer to be

there and it is part of that campaign against him. lauren. >> i look at this rally and i hear him theodore"the patron saint and it makes me nervous and nervous for the people in russia who might not understand what is going on, but might see what is going on when they go to the store, we are hearing the shelves in russia are empty. when they see business and everything they have known, the western life they have gotten, when they see it start to disappear. i was impressed he pulled off that rally and timing, eight years since annexation of crimea. how does it end? he will get more dangerous, all reports show he is losing his troops, they are hungry and not capturing major cities, he might

get more desperate. i brought up the nuclear threat because that is a big deal. we have to watch every alignment and talk about that. >> harris: yeah, and even tomi, nonnuclear weapons, he's unleashed at least one vacuum bomb, most powerful nonnuclear weapon on the planet right now, i mean, talk about chemical weapons and all of that is a concern. as you are watching this, what pops? >> tomi: you see a leader in russia getting desperate and great points have been made, i think there will be more civilian casualtys and that is tragic to see and we feel for the people of ukraine. a lot of this is about hearts and minds, the ukrainians stand strong and will fights for their country. we need to focus on the hearts and minds of the russian.

this is supposed to be a feather in his cap and he is losing and disgrace to him, i think he will bab down, that is what we can only hope and pray for, sense will come to his mind, he won't want to be isolated and this will end and we can get back to fixing the united states of america, there is a lot to do here. >> harris: great point, and you lauren knitting that together, the hearts and minds of russian, he's jailed 15,000 of them, could be larger number, reports of abuse in custody because they don't agree with his invasion of ukraine. so much going on on the ground that he is threatening cleansing of his own people that don't agree with him. congressman mike mccall was on, let's watch. >> mike: i've raised high-level briefings that they need to start thinking about this

because when that does happen, what is going to be our response? it is classic of this administration, they wait and react, like the russian have been on the border since last march building up and i urge them in november to put the lethal weapons in, now they are just coming in and they are going to get caught flat-footed. >> harris: we can't be late at every juncture and if what lauren was talking about that next level, if it does include chemical weapons and you heard the congressman there and i made this point last hour, how do you come up with red line and policy like that? you have to have one engaged so you have a strategic way not always to be on the defendefens. >> tomi: that is why congressman michael waltz said that, us threatening vague consequences saying there will be severe consequences without a red line, all it does is enable putin to escalate on his own rung by rung by rung. it was interesting, lieutenant

general barrier, director of the pentagon defense agency, he says war and consequences develop, this is weakening putin's conventional weaponry and effect, he is lashing out essentially and he doll it in two ways, increase the severity of the ukrainian civilians and rely on nuclear threat directed toward the west and we are seeing that in the city of lviv, up until now ukrainians had considered safe haven. russia launched over 1000 missiles into the country and we're hearing from mike tobin and trey yangst. we no longer go to the bomb shelters because we have young children, they are losing people day-by-day and they say it used to be in concentrated areas and now it is in this place we used to find safe. until putin is met with some

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beijing. china shifted language and now there are reports china is weighing whether or not to provide assistance to putin's stalled sources. there are warnings there must be consequences if they help putin. watch. >> do you side with the russians and give them arms they are requesting and help them, you will be cut off with secondary sanctions, we have done half-measure sanctions against russia so far, there are secondary sanctions and china exports all over the world, will be cut off and have rough economy with russia and iran. >> emily: joe concha, the chinese ministry of foreign affairs released a statement and say the ukrainian crisis is something we don't want to see and maintain conflict is not in anyone's interest and peace and security are the most treasured

treasures of the international community. do you believe them? >> joe: that statement is worth the paper it is printed on given china and them being allergic to the truth. the death toll alone from covid, approaching a million dead and obviously the president, our president biden impressed president xi in any real way as far as origins of that virus. the headline, emily, china weighing whether to provide military and financial assistance to russia and that is what putin requested and look, if that happens, that is a game changer from an economic perspective. it will allow a lifeline to putin to carry out this war longer with more weapons and obviously an ability to exchange at least some currency with another large country with lots of resources, this is a very big deal and in the end president biden will be speaking to xi, he

is talking to putin because whatever putin says, rest assured chinese will be on the phone with the russians saying this is where we think we're at. russia/china alliance would not be welcomed in the west, no question. >> emily: and lauren, part of the discussion with xi. >> china need to pick a side here, they are looking at russia and saying wow, empty factories because the west abandoned facilities and etcetera and all the oil and commodities, we can get at a discount, they are cheap now and also maybe we can buy them and get the world off the dollar denominated system. is putin going to pick -- xi going to pick that side to align with putin or is he going to be player on the world stage or a

pariah and align with xi? they are getting antagonistic, just hours before the phone call, they flew an anti-aircraft through the taiwan straight, that is very provocative action. is ukraine taiwan? how putin feels about ukraine, i'm messing up my words here, is how xi feels about taiwan, are they going to go take taiwan? >> harris: i think you answered your own question there, they are in sync and yoked and publicly we get neutral language that doesn't give you warm or fuzzy, if you want to read the tea leaves maybe they won't do anything to help the russians, if all they do is buy their own currency, if all they do is what

india is doing and buy three million barrels of oil at reduced get a deal, that will yolk them further. we know energy is the d.n.a. of life for all of us. it is interesting, who doesn't think they are not already coupled, this is not concho right now, not trying to decouple, they are already together. we saw that at the olympics and she said please don't do the ukraine invasion to take the shine off china that will let you know they are in concert enough to do that kind of a deal. the problem with today and general jack keane pointed this out, that public faith doesn't tell you what they would do with taiwan and he said we need to be getting taiwan ready now. >> send them equipment. >> harris: and congressman mccall, too, we need to be leading on this right now, what we should have done with ukraine.

can't live in the past, live in the now and get as much as you can now so you are not fighting their war for them, but equipping them to keep putin from joining up with his bud and taking over eurasia. >> emily: china has been executing on this strategy to position themselves in positions of influence and power on the arctic alliance in countries in south america, africa, etcetera and emboldened through frankly the leadership with this administration to take the provocative actions that you are talking about. they put their snakes in the grass and can start striking and the fear is now to your point, has putin invasion of ukraine, which really didn't meet with much resistance from other leaders as we expected, will that embolden full-blown taiwan takeover that we expect? tomi, i want to ask you about dmroebal response, rightly so,

global outrage to putin's invasion, if china gets in bed more with putin, will we see the same outrage here given our complex business interest in china that seem to deter everyone from denouncing their genocide that takes place through the olympics, for example, the nba, hollywood and the like? >> you will see outrage, it will result to social media outrage. the problem is, the united states is weak, china is strong, russia and iran are strong, our enemies are wrong when the united states is weak. i'm glad lauren brought it up, is it too late to make china pariah depend whatting they do with putin or china or elsewhere? the world is so dependent on china and part of that is our fault. in the united states, i'm glad harris brought up energy being important. energy independence is

important, make things more in the united states, we need to be having the approach the united states is strong and able to make china a pariah because united states is strong. when the united states is weak, can we make china pariah, can the world distance themselves not right now, too dependent on that and we did that by our own hand. >> harris: we want to get to breaking news right now. six hours behind ukraine and so night is falling there and we begin to get in all of that recent video. here it is, brand-new, video of ukrainian troops showing off destroyed vehicles in the kyiv area, where there are reports ukrainians have retaken control of at least small village outside the capital. it is a start. we've heard stories of russian tanks running out of gas and soldiers abandoning their post, flags and they are starving. we know the advance has stalled

and is slower than putin had expected and wanted. we'll keep bringing new images as we get them. this is one small village, russia went to war with 200,000 troops, they have lost 7000, ukrainians have taken out 7000, they went with 200,000. more "outnumbered" in a moment.

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cycle, butt-hurt e-mails are ridiculous. the usual suspects, hunter biden, mysterious e-mails, ukrainian businessmen, dot, dot, dot, dot. >> it turns out the laptop and some contents are in fact real. the "new york times" confirming their authen tisity in report that focused on the investigation into hunter's taxes. key line coming deep into the story, times writing," e-mails obtained from a cache of files come from laptop abandoned by mr. biden in delaware repair shop," and plot twist, the white house is ducking questions about the past denials. >> the "new york times" authenticated e-mails that come from a laptop of hunter biden in delaware. the president said it was garbage and it was russian plant, does he stand by that? >> press sect. psaki: i point you to department of justice and

hunter biden's representatives, he doesn't work in the government. i point you to the department of justice, i'm a spokesperson for the united states and he doesn't work for the united states. >> emily: tomi lahren, only thing i feel more than satisfaction is frustration this should have happened a year ago and would there be any accountability? i will not hold my breath. >> tomi: i would not hold my breath. americans, if you are not infuriated, you are not paying attention. they coddel those they agree, with d's behind their names, it is infuriating here. i don't know for a fact, it would seem the "new york times" and other media outlets knew there was truth to the story and maybe they wanted to get joe biden in the white house and knew he was a liability and in the 2020 election, they had to laugh it off and now they are

coming because they no longer have the great desire to shield joe biden, they are coming out and saying maybe there is truth to that, the way the media driven this narrative should be infuriating to so many americans. could it have changed the 2020 election? would we be talkinge? we have to look back and wonder. it is infuriating and the media needs to be held accountable as well as joe and hunter biden. >> there was cancellation by the media of the media we know was based on complete mistruth and at the time, remember the president of the united states and the white house press secretary maintained it was russian disinformation. let's remind our viewers in case they forgot. >> proudly known and widely known peter there was broad range of russian disinformation in 2020. >> do you still think the story

about hunter -- >> yes, yes, yes, god love you, man, you're a one-horse pony. >> joe concha. >> joe: oh, boy, well, we heard a lot about collusion during the trump era, the real collusion happened between broadcast, print and social media working together to squash or only word that comes to mind piously dismiss the hunter biden laptop story. gold star here in terms of dismissals and piousness, npr, managing editor said this, "we don't want to waste our time on stories that are not stories and waste the listener's time on stories that are distractions and that is where we ended up, this was politically driven event and we decided to treat it that way," and there were intelligence officers that signed off on letter that said this was russian disinformation,

including john brennan and john clapper who is with cnn. if you read that letter, as i did this morning, they admit they had no evidence that the russians were involved, but had a bad feeling and decided to throw it out there anyway. what a joke, guys. >> tomi: we have a full screen of the gentlemen you referenced to round out media, executive branch and these guys. i find it interesting, lauren, joe concha's point when the media says npr, the "gold star" they said it was distraction, but distraction from what? pushing the narrative? >> wanted to get biden into office, he is, why did the story come out 17 months later in disqualify him for potential 2024 run so they can get another democratic person in look at the state of the country? they pose that as open question.

>> that is right. >> harris: i have a different question, how thick are the thieves, i remember another media out sxlt throw them in as media outlet and not some outlier of social platform, twitter. they want to put their thumb on the scale about what is factual and what is information and disinformation and what is trending and disqualification, i guess they think they are journalists. let's do the mind experiment for a second and pretend they are journalist. how thick are the thieves of truth? if you even tweeted, retweeted, talked about tweeting, the "new york post" true and real story about hunter biden, his ties with energy, right, oil companies and millions and potentially billions wrapped up with deals of him on energy boards with no prior work experience to do so and on "60

minutes," he said, i used my dad's name, why do you care? if you're a journalist, you know the answer. it is nonpartisan. when an american president has a conduit for bribery or vulnerability like son on drugs who will do pretty much anything, hunter biden, and get caught doing it, that vulnerability exposes all of us as citizens. we care. we want our president to be successful, but to be nationally secured. >> is he compromised? >> harris: is he compromised, that is the issue of the story. if what you say is true, there was political, i guess it is being talked about everywhere, this approximate politics because media wants their candidate in there? they liked the guy, they hated the last guy, clearly hated trump. that is not the american way and we are the ones left to count on that, right? we are the real journalists, we

have to be responsible how we report on this. to give everything a look, national-public radio, national-public radio, what are they being distracted from if not the truth? >> tomi: the president's son is being criminally investigated for improper lobbying, money laundering and tax evasion and existence of the hulk hogan sex tape was ruled newsworthy and that investigation isn't? we are being told by mainstream media it is not news worthy, this is distraction from what they are putting forth and piled on by intel, by the president of the united states and white house press secretary. >> and censured by big tech, it is absolutely ridiculous. bottom line -- >> harris: thick as thieves. >> emily: american citizenry impacted negatively issue not just we're watching with popquran as someone's demise unfolds, it affects us, we pay

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hoping they would hit each other with great debate and dialogue, that is what they are supposed to be doing. how do i know? i know former president of federalist society sitting on the couch with me, girl, we traded words. more than 100 law students not liking what panelist wagner had to say. they chanted shame, shame, that is not acceptable. police had to escort guest speaker to safety. purpose of the panel was to show liberalist and conservative could find common ground. issued statement. yale law school follows free speech policy, includes three-warning protocol. yale law school staff spoke to yale police officers, who were already on hand about whether assistance might be needed if students didn't follow instructions, that assistance was not needed and the event

went forward. members of the administration are in serious conversation with students about our free speech policy expectations and norms. now to the former president on her campus, emily compagno. >> emily: thank you, harris. i was saying i was president of the federal society at my law school, not yale. it was 20 years ago. it was fine, supportd and encouraged that every conversation we had two sides to it, we had two sides to debate. you would think in san francisco, if there would be pushback, it would be there, but it wasn't. it breaks my heart that the state of legal education now has devolved to one of children that are fighting, threatening violence against other points of view. we watch children fighting for their lives in ukraine and freedom, we are watching children here be absolutely

intolerant and unable to hear a different point of view. >> harris: i heard joe concha chiming in there. joe. >> joe: i thought emily would be on the '72 ford mustang society. >> harris: she was on that, too. >> joe: multi talented. they are shouting, shame, shame, what is this, like the walk of shame scene from "game of thrones"? if you talk to guy benson, one of the less provocative thought leaders out there, he will tell us he needs protection on the college campuses. when ben shap iro goes, he needs protection to speak. no one has ability to debate topics anymore. moral high ground, i'm good, you are evil, you can't speak, your words might hurt people.

i'm glad you went to school before cell phones or vodka in a can, i don't do that, i'm a bud guy. >> i view speeches on college campuses and this has happened to me more times than i can count. nearly every speech. went to clemson, same thing happened there. of course black lives matter protesting. this is first generation of students that are actively arguing for and demanding fewer rights. listen to what they are asking for, less freedom, asking for less freedom of expression and less freedom of speech, that is moronic and asinine, how did we get here? students are actively being taught, young people being taught by adults, by the media, by big tech, there is idea they don't agree with or like, they can silence it, censure it or cancel it, it goes back to

cancel culture element that truly, truly needs to end if we want to foster great dialogue and debate especially where it belongs on college campuses. absolutely idiotic we're in this place. >> harris: what you are saying is true, you dropped the mic on that, upcoming commencement season and my prayer for every child on this planet is that you hear every position because you never know where great debate will take you. tomi, so glad you continue to go to campuses, it is really important and federalist society has never missed a leader more than they miss emily. all right. we'll move on. trans swimmer lia thomas taking first place in the ncaa championship, many on social media declaring the runner-up the real winner, we'll get into it, stay close.

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through puberty as a boy, bigger arms, legs and now competing against women who don't have that physically, they viewed second place winner, ememma weyant as the winner. the rules of the game are changeing and we're figuring out what they should be. should transgender athletes have an asterisk next to their name if they win? lia thomas was 467 as a male and now number one as a female. i mean, it just is a tough issue. i think it is going to be an election issue, as well. >> martina navratalova said the same thing, you are not

negatively affecting those who worked hard, maybe put an asterisk by the name, reserve medals, come up with interim solution in the gray area right now, joe. >> joe: that is not a bad idea at all. if the producer just put up the full screen, the first full screen, showing the three swimmers, that really hits home in terms of the advantage that we're seeing here. my wife is former i athlete, she would tell me about the training regimen as far as being on the track team at her school, on top of being premed, it is a commitment, for girls competing, knowing they are going to lose because one person they are competing about has decided physical advantage, it is a whole ball of wrong. if you criticize this, you are anti-trans somehow, of course not, it is asking for level competitiveie and i don't see why that is controversial. >> we have parents that spoke

with fox digital earlier and they sort of made that point, this isn't the right place to honor the decision of transgender, it is negatively impacting biological females who have worked so hard. >> we do not support a biological male swimming in the women's championship meet. against females, it is unfair advantage. >> he is human, we should respect that, and what he wants to do with his life. this is not the place to do it, it is taking opportunities away from females that have worked hard for a long, long time to get in this position and just not right. >> harris: so i think it is worth saying again, this is not about a lack of love for transgender community, it is honoring who they are and their journey. maybe either an asterisk or separate, but eshg kwal

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