all of ukraine. he wants sovereignty of the territorial integrity that ukraine has and we respect that, we respect that and we want him to achieve victory the way he wants to determine it. >> neil: john kirby, thank you, pentagon spokesman. here comes "the five." >> hello, i'm dana perino, along with judge perino, jesse watters and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 and this is "the five." >> you may remember, i got criticized for calling putin a war criminal. the truth of the matter, this war -- he is a war criminal. we have to gather all the detail, so this could have a war crime trial. this guy is brutal and what is

happening in bucha is outrageous. >> dana: president biden demanding war crimes trial for putin. these are extremely disturbing pictures. civilians found tortured in the city of bucha, their hands bound behind their backs and discarded in the streets around kyiv. ukrainian officials say they have found over 400 bodies in the area. president zelenskyy calling the massacre a genocide, pleading for more support during last night's grammy award. >> our musicians wear body armor instead of tuxedos. support us in any way you can. >> dana: russia is not taking responsibility for the vicious attacks, saying the images are fake. good to have you back with us,

thoughts, reflections on that and the financial angle in regard to the sanctions. >> first off, good to be back at the table. i'm pleased to see the president say what he's saying, he is a war criminal. we bant erred around at this table for weeks now and we've all agreed from the very beginning. two, it is time to think about doing more. doing more comes with risk. we know the escalation challenge and what that could do in triggering use of light nuclear weapon or a larger nuclear weapon. the declaration of him as war criminal escalates what we can do and how we can do it. some criticism of the president in the white house will continue and i think the criticism, if people are honest about it, could focus on are we prepared for the consequences if we do something? if we send airplanes, i doubt we will enforce no fly zone f. we

send airplanes and weaponry, are we prepared, be it military action from the russias? i look at economics from the standpoint, if they turn off the spigget or force peep toll pay for natural gas in rubles, this will impact nato. we have toy be prepared what may happen. let me be clear, i think we should do more. the images there suggest that putin, if he's unhinged, if he's nuts, we can debate that. i think he is. he will not stop, we have to be willing to do more to counter him. >> dana: jesse, listen to jake sullivan earlier today. >> based on what we've seen, we have seen atrocitys and war crimes, not seen a level of

systematic deprivation of life of the ukrainian peep toll rise to the level of genocide, that is something we will continue to monitor. there is not a mech an cal formula for this. >> dana: monitoring genocide is an escalation. >> this is a legal situation if it is war crimes, hurrahwanda, and tribual and yugoslavia, internationally sanctioned, we don't do business with the international criminal court. russia doesn't either and russia would veto since it is on the security council, any international tribunal, so i don't know where that goes and it is difficult to get putin, maybe you could nab a general, who knows. glad we showed the graphics of the dead bodies, when the public sees that, people fully

understand the truth and it makes people take action. if we had only shown drug overdoses in the american inter-cities, gun violence, dead bodies, maybe that would galvanize the american peep toll do something about violence in this country, just a thought i had. it looks like we're escalating with tanks. tanks are not a defensive weapon. we are intermediate iarys, soviet and ukraine, that tells me west thinks russia could lose this thing and the ukrainians aren't going to be fighting an insurgency, they might fight and win a conventional war. that is pretty big. i think jets are next, we are this close if the russias -- >> you need no fly zone or jet? >> no, not no fly zone, we are inching closer and i hope

everybody understands the risk there. >> dana: judge, look on the legal front in terms of the tribunal and question if it is genocide, there are consequences. i know you are very moved after seeing all of that. >> i think we all are, anyone who has seen peep weltheir hands tied behind their back and a bullet in the head knows this is execution. putin is the same guy he's been for the last 20 years. he doesn't just change. he went into crimea and jordan and created the same crimes, just now we are seeing it 24 slesh 7, seven days a week, seeing the pain, hearing it, we're part of it. for him to say, i'm not sure this is genocide, depends on the level. the definition of genocide from it is war crime tribeunal is characterized by specific intent to destroy a

narth ethnic or religious group by killing members causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. there is not a number. there is not a particular equation you can use. ki tell you this, after war in bos nia, i was contacted by the state department, the department of defense, to interview, along with proos cuters, victims to prepare their file to be included in tribeunal. i interviewed victims of the most horrific crimes you could imagine. the victims were horrified and ashamed, we used translators, the stories we heard are horrible, this is not new to the world, it's happened before. this guy has to be stopped, i don't like the idea of nicety of war crime tribunal, it is about

time this was taken more seriously. it is time the united states get more involved. make one thing clear issue putin has had nuclear weapons for a long time, he hasn't used them before and all of a sudden, because of biden, we're afraid of them. we were not afraid of them when we swnt into syria, but that is a different president. >> dana: greg, this is like the first war you see that is wired, elon musk has satellites helping innerternet links stay up. and hackers trying to hack russia systems. it is very different situation, as you see images come through and also weird participation on the other side. >> greg: yeah, there is a battle over turf and a battle over ideas and obviously you cannot but be grossed out and sickened by the images, but you shouldn't be surprised. it is amazing how evil humans

can be in war. think about the stuff no one films, stuff you don't see. you didn't see what happened before. we don't have to dwell on the atrocities that happen, they happen everyday, we'll be sitting here looking at that and ask how does that impact our behavior here? right? there is a three-step process, decide who wants it more and steal yourself for the horrific details to come and then you decide your involvement should there be any. i think where we are at this table, and elsewhere, i think we know what we want, but it is not what we decided. right? we want ukraine to win, we definitely, but haven't decided to help them win. the thing is, this means as jake sullivan said, protracted, protracted thing pause what we want and what we decide, there is a huge gulf and we have to decide what is it we want, do we

want to go there or stay here? i've said this before, i don't know who is winning or losing. i wish i knew. one minute i hear the most optimistic ukrainian outcome. no, that is the calm before the grazni storm. it could look like the first one and be the second one, that scares me most about it. initially i was hesitant, it is better for capitularktissuing ioor we can't reconcile? putin has decided, we haven't. >> dana: it's not been clear and helping them lose more slowly has not helped. >> greg: as you said at the beginning, it is battle between your mind and heart. >> dana: up income, president biden pushing for a gun

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checks. just remember this, california has already some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. you were shaking your head in disapproval while i was reading the statement. >> dana: not at you, about him n. our first mrok, we showed him getting off the helicopter and talking about bucha. he said, i was criticized, all about him. how about having a moment of this will not stand. it had to be i was criticized, i was right. let me pull out my statement i have written up with the things i said to say not my fault. can you have a moment of saying this is tragedy. feinstein said, here is what we need. those things already exist. laws on the books are not effective and prosecution as we've been talking about for several months, those are not

happening, the moms and siblings and aunts and uncles crying today because of this unimaginable traj ed that he happened to their family, everyone should look to the prosecutors to make sure they are prosecuting the crimes and making sure criminals aren't on the street. >> this guy beat his wife, greg, these look like handgun shell casings. >> greg: first block he called putin a war criminal, why didn't he just condemn missile crime? right? in weird think, comes to gun crime, he excuses the individual responsibility, the criminal. also with knife crime, this knife just shows up in a maniac's hands. familiar back and forth, like we

had prepandemic. you go, where have all these people been for the past two years while they ignored other crime, gang violence, smash-and-grabs, riots. they have no idea in reducing riots, what about attacks on jews and asians. it is the end of the effort, it is like evil nra and evil guns and they move on. gun control is dead because of the last two years of rhetoric, the nationalized ferguson effect caused by riots. you can't reduce a person's right to protect themselves while getting rid of cops, gun control is dead. >> jeanine pirro, is it dead?

>> biden would rather get involved in amending constitutional amendment affirmed by the supreme court repeatedly than call on police or legislators to get rid of this in and out of the criminal justice system where there is no bail, they're all released to commit another crime and in truth, nobody is being prosecuted. we've got da's like george gascon in l.a. and budan in san francisco, i believe it is. now he wants to go after the gun manufacturer or the car manufacturers for drunk drivers and wants background checks. i love it. i was a prosecutor, dithis, those are not the guns involved in crime. the guns involved in criminal behaviorior in my 32 years were guns sold illegally or bought on the street. these are not guns by law ark biding people who went and

bought a gun, unless they are using their mother or sister's gun. put them in jail and you won't have to change the constitution. >> let me see, you see things differently? >> i think first off, we should reform the bail law, that should be the president should have said that as part of of what we said yesterday. two, the president said we will increase funding for the police, he never sided with the defund the police effort. i was against that and he was against it n. fairness, if you look at what he's talking about, it is ghost guns he wants to ban. we ought to have serious debate about what a ghost gun is and what steps can we take to ensure we reduce the number of those on the street. we have not had ghost gun or ban on background checks.

maybe we should do these things and if it doesn't work repeal it. i am honest, bail reform is not working, it is letting criminals on the street and causing danger and threats in communities across this nation, it should be repealed. we should do more gun stuff here, especially ghost guns, if we did anything else, if guns were disark peering and appearing in chicago, memphis, new york, atlanta and baltimore, did you think the 250 guns you bought, did you think they end up in hand of criminals and gang bangers, duthink something was wrong? i didn't know. the president should have said, we got to hold those accountable who use guns issue prosecute people and give them the funding to put people behind bars. >> they are not prosecuting on

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>> democrats growing anxious over the latest batch of horrible polls for president biden. a whopping 68% of americans blame biden for higher gas prices and the democratic strategist knows the writing is on the wall. "it's bad, you have energy crisis paralyzeing and inflation at a 40-year high and we're

heading into a recession. the problem is simple, the american people have lost confidence in him." and democrats are in trouble when hillary clinton is giving them this advice. >> from my perspective, president biden is doing a very good job, we need to get out there and do a better job of telling it. in republican party, you have greater disconnect, unfortunately, most of that party has gone to the extreme and are saying and doing things that have no basis in reality. >> such a truth-teller, harold, what do you think of what she says about president doing great things, not being able to message it, what is he doing that is great? >> couple of questions there. i think that the president is managing the ukraine matter in way that is pretty admirable.

has he made mistakes? sure. shortcomings? sure. a lot of what he's done is right. if you ask allies around the globe, they would agree. we are not in a nuclear war. two, climate and border are big parts of what voters are going to consider as they think about whom to vote for in november. they will think about that two years from now when president biden is up for re-election. inflaion and the economy, some of this will work itself out. inflation and sprie chain challenge, started under president trump, talk about tariff and talking clogged up supply chains because the way global commerce works and no doubt spending we've done has created more pressure on that end for that matter, so is the fact we're at war in ukraine.

democrats shouldn't kid themselves, the hill comment, there is a lot right there. republicans have a huge challenge themselves. president trump created challenges in georgia, candidates endorsed by him in texas and california and other places that play out. i hear you. i've been in the game a while, too, this is not as easy as perhaps it looks on paper. i love college basketball and hope unc surprises tonight. on paper -- >> no game, it got cancelled from all the important news. >> every year duke on paper should win it all, they play the game. my friends at kentucky lost, they got to play the game. politics, let it play out. got to get a course correction. >> jeanine: hillary clinton says the republican party is at the

extreme, yet republicans held 11 percentage point advantage in voter unthuz yachl, how does she explain that? >> dana: i believe mcconnell said he had never seen that number that high in an election year. laziest thing anybody can do is say, we need to talk about it better, that is not the issue, people are smart enough to figure that out. if your politics were good, stories would write themselves. remember at the state of the union, he was going to talk about it more, i think they would love it if hillary clinton and aoc went around the country saying what they are saying. president obama is going back to the white house for the anniversary of obamacare signing. that is where their passion is, with him, he will be there to talk about that.

in 2014, after the midterm obama used the line, i've got a pen and i've got a phone. biden has done that before the midterm, decided, i'm a lame duck, i can't get legislation passed. he will get jackson brown confirm said, that will happen, other than that, not a lot to work with. on title 42, this is something biden is going to go forward and take away the ability to expel migrants because of covid. mark kelly and maggie hassan, they know it will be difficult to win their race. >> jeanine: jesse, by saying i will repeal 42, and saying it six week necessary advance so everybody gets a rush into the united states will make it worse for candidates. >> they busted this police caravan through mexico, what is

mexico doing to stop it? nothing. call the president of mexico and tell them to stop the caravan. arizona is so bad there, inflation is what, almost 11%? you mentioned nevada, gas prices are $5.30 a gallon. georgia, another big senate race, 11%. gas prices in new hampshire, $4.50, he is toast, he is in the low 30s. in georgia, he's at 34% in georgia. that is terrible. i listen to hillary and she's calling us dumb, we're too stupid to understand how great things are. democrats have to do better at salesmanship so the hillbillies can get it. she brags about the great accomplishments democrats have. infrastructure, i was at laguardia today, joe biden did a

big announcement, we will rebuild laguardia airport, it will cost $2 billion, it is now year nine and it is already over budget by 3 billion. i waited for several minutes for my town car, it was terrible. >> several minute? horrible. >> and braging and hammering. >> jeanine: greg, do you have to wait that long? do they know who you snr >> i was picking him up. >> where is your hat? >> i only wear the hat when i'm entertaining. i don't think the democrats mind the poll numbers, they don't like him either. they don't mind he is polling terribly, the problem is the human collapsible sippy cup, hard to find replacement for them at the same time. cut your losses, this is hand

you fold on and start over to use a poker term. >> jeanine: what took so long, liberal media playing catch up on hunter's many scandals.

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>> the "washington post" editorial board admitting there needs to be reckoning over the way the media handled the hunter biden laptop story as it has been -- white house chief of staff ron klain continue to say that hunter did nothing wrong. >> of course the president is confident that his son didn't break the law. i want to be clear, these are actions by hunter and his

brother, private matters that don't involve the president. >> a judge in light of mr. ron klain's comments, the press waiting as long as they did to say that this thing, the story has relevance and he two, legal part of what ron klain is saying, can you address in that order? >> i'd be more than membership to address it. why did it take, 17 or 15 months to say, it is not russian disinformation, what is going to happen to intelligence people who said it is russian disinformation? they lied. they lied for political ideological purposes and no one is taking them to task for it. number one. number two, there is truth to it, they are past an election, 50% of those who voted for joe biden said had they known about what happened with hunter and

this laptop, 10% of them would not have voted for him and in a race 51 is number he won by, he would have lost. they carry this into the election win field. it is impossible at this point to review anything without it referencing joe biden and the family. the family has for years been comboef as family that is involved with pay to play, finance pedalling, the brother, the son. joe biden took them on air force 2 and came back with money. joe biden lied to the american people, i will say it again, he lied to the american people. i don't know anything about my son's business, hog wash. you decided to meet with members, tony bobulinski admitted to it, thousands of e-mails include joe biden as the big guy. all i have to say.

>> presumption of innocence from the judge here. >> an indictment, go ahead. >> i worked at doj for a little while, i was one of the many spokes people there, you would learn 101 ways to say no comment, which is what the white house and doj are trying to do right now. i don't have evidence that the white house is pressuring, they don't have to be told this is super sensitive, they know if there is one ioda it looks like joe biden was involved or influenced, the white house messaging, and chief of staff just said, he has full confidence his son didn't do anything wrong. that will all blow apart. i think the doj is trying to slow walk, they may say we don't do things before elections.

hunter biden is not on the ballot, i don't think that will wash either. >> greg. >> greg: we'll be cover thanksgiving extensively on the greg gutfeld show tonight. >> dana: new information. >> greg: the basketball game has been cancelled. [laughter] you will be hearing more about that at 6:00, bret will be covering that live. bottom line, no disadvantage to copping to it now. the whole thing. "washington post" raises question, well, it was good to be prudent. no, no, no. you knew this was like when you write a memoir and in your memoir, you put dirty details that if you had confessed 20 years ago would have ruined you, now it is free of consequence, you can kiss and tell. then there is this other thing, you said slow walk, i continuing is a fast walk. i think joe is not there for

2024, and they will tell him that, he's got to go back home. the tradeoff, he gets to pardon hunter, they will fast walk it, this is what you call conspiracy. fast walk it so they can pardon him and joe leave. >> jeanine: do you think merrick garland would indict him? >> greg: i think merrick garland will indict hunter, i think they are trying to -- you are right, you could have him indicted on minor tax issue and doesn't serve time. or maybe it is money laundering and a lot of time and the president of the united states has to pardon his son and say, i will not run for re-election. if the guy in delaware has something, he follows evidence to the big guy and we get a situation and merrick garland shuts it down. right now, it is containment operation, doing everything to

make sure this doesn't touch the president. notice what the "washington post" did, they have been able to authenticate information implicating hunter biden, but mysteriously, couldn't authenticate the e-mails that mentioned the big guy or the bills hunter was paying for his father or the fact that hunter made millions doing china consulting while joe was vp, isn't that mysterious? >> i'm not here to answer those questions. >> jesse: you are, you are for the "washington pos." >> if he's indicted, he will face the consequences, but there is presumption of innocence. the fastest is up next. ♪ k-d

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fastest. justin biebber getting mocked for wearing comically oversized suit, maybe he's little, to the grammys last night. the heartthrob singer seen swimming around in his ill-fitting ensemble. it doesn't end there. he was adorned platform crocs. harold, you might be considered well dressed in some circumstances. >>ul are. >> what if he is a man -- >> his performance was outstanding. >> do you know him personally? >> i have met him, i'm not a fan. >> that is creepy if you're a fan. >> i think him, those guys, silk sonic, bruno mars -- >> dump on the -- >> they were outstanding and

chris stapleton is outstanding. >> greg: someone should slap him for what he is wearing. >> greg! >> we nominate you. judge? wearing crocs? >> i love justin bieber, i will not say anything negative, move on. >> what have i walked into, some weird cult? >> remember last week we did that story and we heard about jesse's friend pretending to be wealthy in l.a. if you don't want to get robbed, don't dress like you have money. >> do you think they were going to get a little person and put inside the jacket -- >> like you? >> that is how i get into adult theaters. >> there aren't anymore. >> you wish there were. >> i'm a believer, i don't want

to say anything negative. artists wear whacky stuff. >> it is rude, it ruined his girlfriend's outfit. >> his wife. >> she's beautiful. >> dinner party host may be charging guests for the food, people complaining how they got a venmo request for the home-cooked meal they just enjoyed together. do you think this is a real trend? >> dana: i don't know if it is a trend, it could have happened once. >> three used to be a trend, now just one. you need three things to happen to be a trend, not one. >> i thought jesse was the only person to do this. he did this. >> you have never been invited to my humble abode. >> emma does this, they all have appetizers and venmo each other. >> we're talking about a dinner party --

>> they don't have dinner parties anymore, do they? >> vione every weekend. >> jeanine: i give my guests gifts, i don't ask for money. you are talking about girls going to dinner together, of course they venmo. >> epitome of classlessness. >> what do you think, harold? >> i continuing is crazy, i agree with you. >> thank you, harold. >> i will go put on a big suit now. >> one more thing is up income. . . . . . . . . . riders! let your queries be known. yeah, hi. instead of letting passengers wrap their arms around us, could we put little handles on our jackets? . .

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>> dana: you guys missed the commercial break for the ages. time now for one more thing. harold? >> harold: today is remembrance in our country. the 54th year as we honor the passing and the killing of

dr. martin luther king jr. whose life was cut way short. he was killed in my hometown of memphis, tennessee. he was there for sanitation workers strike. the poor people's campaign which animated the end of his life and end of his political career and end of his civil rights career. god bless him. god bless our nation and god bless my home city. >> dana: indeed. thank you for that i want to tell you about over the weekend i was at the little point book shop in point pleasant beach, new jersey everything will be okay paperback. the line was for five hours. >> jesse: good for you. >> dana: i want to thank all the fans. not just talk about me but these folks loved "the five" so much. each of you got multiple shout-outs around and around it went. judge, they love having you here. harold, you got lots of mentions. jesse, everybody is happy for you with your show. greg, your show as well. and they also of course asked me is greg really that funny in person and is jesse nice and is

harold really that nice? anyway all very nice to many do out and visit and see me in person. we appreciate it but we appreciate you watching the show as well. judge? >> judge jeanine: you heard the term work life balance last week a meteorologist called his family on air to warn them of incoming tornado. i think we have the sound. >> are you there, buddy? >> yeah. >> hey, man, i want you to get down in the basement. we got a tornado warning. all right? so i want to make sure and call len get downstairs as soon as you can. >> judge jeanine: after finishing the call. -- after finishing the call he seamlessly returned to the broadcast. he said he had to call them immediately because they were probably too busy gaming and not paying attention to anything else. cheers to you, doug, a true professional and obviously great dad. >> jesse: happy birthday to my father-in-law big greg elm maps pop. there he is right there.

greg, there is he with two grandchildren jesse jr. and little, little greg. i'm not going to say how old you are but we all love you very much. >> harold: happy birthday. >> jesse: this weekend i was down in coral gables speaking at freedom works liberty event. i spoke and then guy benson did a little q and a with me. he is funny. he is almost as funny as you, greg. you better watch out. tonight, we have sarah palin exclusively after her big announcement she is going to be running for congress. to watch "jesse watters primetime" 7:00 eastern. >> dana: she is going to win that seat. >> jesse: she better. >> dana: all right. greg. >> greg: tonight, i have got a show. you are going to watch it greg's security guard news. you got somebody on your private property. you got to know what to do. i have to give credit to this security guard in handling this particular predator. you can see the -- to the left the security guard following the intruder off the golf course until it was clear and that's

how you do it. >> jesse: should have done that with will smith. escort him right out. >> dana: just stand there. >> greg: be cool and, you know, then everybody is safe. didn't have to use a weapon at all. just kind of stood there. >> judge jeanine: headed toward the house. >> greg: after that it got very, very ugly. >> dana: we have to cut the video now. "special report" suspect next. >> bret: did any of the people in line say anything about the handover to the six? [laughter] >> dana: no. if i had stayed for another there might have been. >> bret: tonight on "special report." graphic images from asuburb of s of bodies in mass graves. civilians apparently killed deliberately by russian soldiers. >> the horrors that we see in