reunited in bucha yesterday. he returned to the suburb after russia's retreat. his dog could not be happier. dog had probably gone through a lot while he waited to get there but that reunion very sweet. >> bill: looked like a husky of sorts. >> dana: a very vocal one. "the faulkner focus" is next. >> harris: breaking developments this hour from ukraine. areas outside the capitol city are now the grounds for a cover-up as russian forces are trying to erase their war crimes. president zelenskyy accusing putin's army of terrorists of killing citizens for pleasure. and for the people who are surrounded in cities cut off from everything, putin is using food as a weapon. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus". the images are hard to witness but as americans, we know the power of the truth. we will take just a moment with

this warning. what is ahead, both the words and the pictures, are graphic. associated press journalist now in bucha, the outskirts of kyiv. journalists continue to show the world what putin's slaughtering monsters are doing. piles of charred bodies. signs of tortures. discuss with bullet holes in them. one of the youngest victims a child. the joint chiefs chairman gives lawmakers this grim prediction. >> there is much of the ground war left in ukraine but i do think this is a very protracted conflict and i think it is at least measured in years. i don't know about a decade but years for sure. >> harris: years of this. drone footage from mariupol shows crowds of people waiting for humanitarian aid. putin wants to make them surrender by starving them.

boxing legend now fighting to defend ukraine with this direct emotional plea. >> president biden said if russian army will invade ukraine the consequences will be severe. those consequences for now are severe for us and i'm asking the free world, the united states, to help us not just humanitarian side that is very important but also with the weapons. we can't defend our country only if you can help us. >> harris: he wants weapons. the white house is holding firm that any help will not include american troops on the ground in ukraine. we know that. watch. >> i think what the president's objective is and his responsibility is to make decisions that are in the interests of the united states and that's not to go to war with russia. to do everything in our power to hold them accountable, to

support efforts through international systems, to do exactly that and to provide military assistance, security assistance and support to the ukrainian people and the ukrainian government. that's exactly what we're doing. >> harris: a fox news contributor and special op soldier is on the ground in kyiv right now. you have sustained and stayed in the capital city. what is happening now, brett? >> hi. evidence of russia's brutality is emerging on a larger scale. the bodies of 410 civilians were found in recaptured towns across the country and it will get worse. in the town much bucha alone hundreds of bodies have been found in mass graves and streets are lined with men and women have their hands tied behind theirs banks. imcountless videos that shows russian war crimes. i will share them.

evidence of ambulances being shot up. abduction and tortures of civilians and documented at great risk at those involved. they've tortured journalists and the act of separation to demoraleize the populace. massive amounts of evidence of violations and kharkiv, and putin is a war criminal. i'm saying it for weeks and going on your show and pleading with people to help. trying to get others to understand the truth. this is just the beginning at journalists start to get into these areas where russians are in retreat and see these war crimes and atrocities up close and personal. i want the world to understand what's going on here. i'm an american. i love my people and die for my country. when i see the ukrainian people i think of american citizens. when you look at these refugees in the eyes you get a glimpse into what they've gone through.

i worry this could be us if russia is not stopped. most ukraine rns aren't used to war and can't understand why this is happen and how their lives have been up ended overnight. people can't grasp why bombs are dropping on their homes and schools and some have to step over bodies of their friends and why they are even being called refugees. why do you think the ukrainians are fighting so hard? their family members are being killed. >> harris: we've talked about this before and i know that you have served in war zones. i grew up a military brat so i understand the concept of people dying, being slaughtered all over the planet. and there are two things that make this different. first of all it is how much we see. with so many journalists doubling back to get into ukraine again those associated press journalists perhaps some who never left and risking their lives. we see what that can take and we see a lot of it and witnessing together as the world. the other thing has to do with the fact when dictators usually

roll, when we saw what we did in syria and those images were horrible in iraq, what was different was there really was less of a threat that they wanted to take over every country that is aligned to the united states. in this sense, putin has said it. he would love to be able to cross over. he hates nato. wants to totally go into wherever he can and he has gotten within 12 miles of poland during this war already. >> harris, this is not a war against just ukraine. this is war against nato. people need to understand that. putin has said he will win the war at any cost. we have to watch out for that. there is one other thing i would like to talk about that's important and i hope you and your viewers carry this message. i move around the country a lot in many places and run across a lot of americans, british, canadians and other foreign fighters coming to fight on the front lines along the ukrainians coming in to join international territorial defense group consisting of

foreign fighters. after what i've seen on the ground i would caution others whether what i'm witnessing. they mean well but laugh the americans i meet coming to fight i end up seeing leaving a couple days later. they don't understand what they are getting into and how bad it is on the front lines. they got in way over their head. this is real war and real consequences. this is not a game. do not come out here if you don't know what you are doing and don't understand the brutality of this combat environment. a lot of these guys think they cross the ukraine border and be handed a javelin missile. night vision goggles and a bottle of champagne and it is not the case. they don't have enough weapons. they don't have enough weapons for their own people. weapons from nato countries aren't getting here fast enough and you are taking body armor from ukrainians who need it the most. >> harris: i appreciate that more than you know and i push a little bit because we can't

keep you up forever. that's important information. if you are coming you have to realize they don't have enough to fight the war and then you are in the same boat with ukrainians. it sounds like a job for a lot of special ops guys like you. the crematorium, what we're learning is that we are now investigating to see if they are in fact burning evidence of war crimes now, burning bodies because the world is watching this happen. and that would put this in a different category, i would imagine, in terms of what's going on on the ground, brett. >> right. look, people don't realize that putin is hiding a lot of what's going on here and does not want to show especially his own citizens the staggering losses the ukrainians are crushing them and they're bringing in mobile crematoriums into the country to burn the bodies of their own soldiers so people don't understand the numbers. the other thing, in places like bucha you would be surprised.

not just dead russians. syrians, chechyans, mon goalance contracted and brought into the country by russia to fight ukrainians and it also doesn't count against the russian numbers. people will discover this as more journalists get into these areas. >> harris: their own russian soldiers they are burning to cover up evidence and mercenaries who come in to fight alongside them. >> exactly. >> harris: the u.s. department is looking at possible chemical weapons. i want the see if you're hearing about a plant hit that had nitric acid in it and what the word is on the ground. >> we're hearing about it. i don't know if it's been 100% confirmed. it goes back to my point that putin will try to win the war at any cost. we have to be prepared. i hope the u.s. administration is preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. >> harris: brett, thank you again for what you are doing

and appreciate you talking with us today being if "focus." stay safe. >> thank you, harris. >> harris: again fox news has learned the biden administration led by the state department is investigating whether this could be a chemical weapons attack. ukraine says putin's terrorists have hit a storage tank filled with nitric acid in the country's luhansk region. president bide warned the u.s. would swiftly and strongly respond to any use of chemical weapons. gillian turner reporting now. gillian. >> as of now both the state department and pentagon tell fox news they are aware of this event and looking into it. they are very concerned about the potential impact it could have on civilians in the region of luhansk. what happened was yesterday we learned through ukrainian sources and social media they were claiming russia had hit the storage tank filled with nitric acid. i said does the state

department consider it a chemical weapons attack? you can see here is what they tell me. they say we're aware of reports of this incident and looking into it as we await further details. we're concerned about the harm to anyone in the vicinity than a nitric acid leak may cause. they continue to bombard critical infrastructure and commit terrible acts of violence. in addition forthis he quote a goat from a government expert on chemical weapons who explains the thinking this way. quote. if the tank held nitric acid and the intent was to release the gas whose inhalation effects are similar to chlorine it might be called a chemical weapons event. now figuring out whether this constituted chemical weapons attack or not is urgent and crucial. as you know president biden said recently a chemical weapons attack for him would be a red line and the u.s. would

respond in kind. >> trigger a response in kind. whether asking nato -- we would make that decision at the time. >> regional governor in luhansk is sharing evidence of the attack on facebook. he says nitrogen acid is dangerous when hit on the skin. it can cause severe damage when applied to the eyes. we're praying for the people on the ground. the governor there has them inside today telling them to stay inside their homes with the windows locked and bolted and blinds done. we will keep you posted from anything we get from the state department. >> harris: republicans are demanding answers what exactly the president knew about his son's business dealings. part of our coverage in "focus" today. newly obtained emails show the ties might be closer than we previously knew. and this. >> the thing that we see where i live is we have no border patrol presence. >> they're coming across and we

don't know who they are. >> it is clear the biden administration doesn't care about the safety of the american people nor immigrants. >> harris: wow. big worries at the southern border and across our nation. agents already overwhelmed with illegal immigrants crossing in and lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle are warning it's about to get a lot worse. our own bill melugin and texas republican congressman michael mccaul in "focus" next. no one deserves the american dream of homeownership more than veterans. at newday, you can buy a home with no down payment. and they're holding rates in the 3s. already own a home and need cash? with the newday100 loan, you can get up to $60,000 or more and lower your payments $615 a month. no bank, no lender, no one knows veterans like newdayusa.

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>> harris: a growing list of democrats are warning the biden administration that ending title 42 is a horrible idea. that's the covid policy which limits a large number of people from entering our nation

illegally. democrat senator john tester says lifting it would only add to the strain on our broken immigration system. that's a quote. a fox news op-ed titled biden's title 42 immigration decision will create a national catastrophe. bill melugin live at the border in rio grande valley, texas. bill has done an excellent job this week taking us from point b and c to everywhere. yesterday you were in brownsville and they were putting them on buses and today you're back at the rio grande. >> good morning to you. that's exactly right. border patrol in the rio grande valley report in the last several days alone they have arrested three ms-13 gal members, a cartel member, 18 street gang member and child sex predator from honduras. texas bears the brunt of the current border crisis. a trooper chasing a human smuggler in the laredo area.

he loses control an crashes, dust goes up. it rolls over. graphic video ahead here. we're told everybody in the smuggler's vehicle got ejected onto the road. the smuggler and one of the migrants died as a result of that crash. we have blurred their bodies. the rest survived though they were injured. the smuggler was a 19-year-old u.s. citizens with extensive criminal history including for human smuggling in the past. look at the photos from right here in the rio grande valley sector. border patrol reporting they've been encountering huge groups of migrants in recent days including more than 800 in six separate groups from central and south america. as you can imagine it is putting a huge strain on their resources and holding capacity and why you saw the mass releases happening in brownsville yesterday. there have been more than a quarter million illegal crossings in this sector alone in the last six months. if we can pull up these photos out of border patrol del rio

sector. border agents there reporting they're getting huge single groups of more than 100 each saying the last three days in a row they've been encountering the groups. the sector more than 200,000 illegal crossings in the last six months numbers up 180% over the same time last year. back live because of those images we showed you, that's the state of texas. later today greg abbott will hold a major press conference where he will be making a very major announcement when it comes to the state's response to the dropping of title 42 next month at 4:00 eastern time. fox news will be there. we'll send it back to you, harris. >> harris: thank you very much. also from texas now congressman michael mccaul a republican ranking member of the foreign affairs committee and member of the homeland security committee. great to have you in "focus" today. let's begin with your home state. the onslaught of people about to cross over doubling,

tripling the numbers we're already seeing may 23rd. >> my response is when you think it couldn't get any worse. why in the world would you lift the title 42 restriction at this point in time? they are projecting 500,000 people in the next five weeks coming across our border. i was a federal prosecutor down there for many years. i've never seen the border this bad. when you talk to border patrol agents, the morale is awful. they are having a hard time recruiting, obviously. but what is coming in? that's the other thing. we have people on terrorist watch list and fentanyl coming in killing a younger generation. enough seized at the border to kill the entire american population seven times over. and then he is opening the floodgates even more. after rescinding remain in mexico, migrant protection protocols that i worked with the trump administration to put

in place and now we have biden's open border policy which is an unmitigated disaster. >> harris: i want to just push in a little bit and make sure my notes were right. how many people did you say in five weeks? >> they are talking about 500,000 people in the next five weeks. that will be 100,000 people per week coming into the country. we don't know who they are. by the way, harris, we are still putting masks on little kids and children at schools but we're letting the floodgates in of people we don't know who they are or what countries they're coming from and we're letting them in. >> harris: we know whatever they had in terms of covid protection and vaccines and what not they were not a-- we led the world with that. we are still clamping down on people in this country. dr. fauci, maybe some of the restrictions will come back. are there any restrictions at the border? speaking of which, it boggles my mind this part. a $10 billion covid relief

package is at risk of stalling they say if republicans stand in the way over title 42. but here is my question for you, congressman. if covid is so important, if that release is so important in this country, why in the world would you get rid of something that protects us from covid at the border? and the number you just told us, 500,000 in five weeks, why would we even expose ourselves to that? >> precisely, harris. you are talking about billions of dollars that they want us to spend on covid relief when they are rescinding title 42. what kind of covid relief package is that. unleashing covid into the country by illegal populations that we don't even know anything about. i think that causes a health problem for the united states. it causes a national security problem. a crime problem and an ms-13,

human trafficking event we've never seen anything like in our lifetimes. where are these little girls and young males going to go? ms-13, sex trafficking. we can't absorb this type of illegal population in this country. harris, almost 3 million people have come in across our southern border since this president was elected. >> harris: wow. all right. we'll move on to this. it is a dire situation and has been now for more than 40 days. ukrainian president zelenskyy warning the horrors of another town near the capital city, kyiv, could be even worse than what we're seeing in bucha. the town has been the sight of widespread citizens being slaughtered in recent days after weeks of russian occupation. zelenskyy is calling on the united nations to hold russia accountable and remove that country from the security council and our own u.n. ambassador pressed for it yesterday. fox news contributor marc

thiessen is not optimistic. let's watch together. >> genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, whatever you want to call it. these are atrocities and they are prosecutable. the problem is that the u.n. is completely incapable of addressing these atrocities for a simple reason. 40% of its voting members are actively engaged in genocide and crimes against humanity. >> harris: congressman, your reaction to that. >> marc thiessen is a very smart man. china has this unholy alliance with mr. putin which gives them leverage at the united nations. today my war crimes bill to hold putin accountable will be debated on the house floor and i think passed overwhelmingly documenting the atrocities including what happened in bucha, which is absolutely -- the pictures, horrific photos that i have seen and you have seen, we have people hands tied

behind them, heads cut off. the maternity hospital. you go on and on and on, the war crimes are real. we're calling them out today in congress that these are war crimes and putin needs to be held accountable. the question is where? and how do you do that? zelenskyy has called for a -- a venue where we can get putin and hard to get him out of russia. >> harris: i don't know how this works but do you have to wait for any portion of this to at least become negotiable, do you have to -- maybe the war doesn't end. how do you get to that point and how do you save as many lives as you can at this point without getting involved? that's the key. no world war iii. congressman mccaul, please come back. great to have you in "focus." thank you. president obama reunited with his former vice president yesterday at the white house

and democrats are hoping that it would be the mid-term election jolt. the star power they need. might have backfired. we'll show you some video. you can decide for yourself. more and more, louder and louder, calls for a special counsel to look into hunter biden's shady foreign business dealings. and the white house weighs in. >> if you believed a special counsel is necessary to investigate the trump family, how could you not believe that a special counsel is necessary to investigate the biden family?

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department is independent and will make their own decision. >> the d.o.j. will make independent decisions when it comes to hunter. some argue the need for the special counsel in the hunter biden case has become urgent. jim jordan was in "focus" this week. >> joe biden said my son made no money from companies with ties to china. 4.8 million reasons why it's wrong. who knows if 10% went to the big guy and joe biden as the famous email uncovered a year and a half ago. i do think it requires a special kind of focus. >> harris: at the very least, the optics are getting worse for president biden. emails reviewed by fox news show he wrote a college recommendation letter in 2017 for the son of a chinese executive who was doing business with hunter biden. one of the emails reads this

way. hunter asked me to send you a copy of the recommendation letter that he asked his father to write on behalf of christopher for brown university. here is miranda devine. >> it is par for the course for joe biden. this was just greasing the path for more money to come into the biden family and their business partner coffers. >> harris: how republicans are asking hunter biden's legal team to immediately preserve any records related to his business dealings and his infamous laptop and calling out democrats for blocking a motion to subpoena hunter as a witness in a congressional hearing saying they refused to hold hunter accountable for his shady business dealings, end quote. power panel now, doug collins former georgia congressman. nomiki a former bernie sanders surrogate. doug, your initial reaction to the latest developments in the hunter biden case.

>> the latest developments continue to show a pattern we talked about for a long time that show there were business dealings that hunter biden had with china. we saw it with ukraine and there seems to be a stronger and stronger connection between hunter and his father. when you understand that, then you begin to put the pieces together and how democrats can continue to hide and try to hide behind the hunter biden and his dad never talked about it is false. we're seeing more evidence of it back to old pictures that show them together with the business people. it doesn't make sense. >> republicans can try to turn hunter biden into hillary's emails but not the love affair that trump and his family have with china. she testified eight hours with the january 6 terrorist attacks. this is a big distraction. >> harris: were you there?

you don't know what was said. i'm fascinated by the trump eases his way back into your conversation. you would want parity here and things to be equal. he looked at that family and the last administration with a microscope. don't you want this to be looked at? >> they still are. and they still are. the relationship that trump has with putin is relevant today. we're criticizing putin. the crisis with russia now. we're in the middle -- there is a conflict in russia between russia and ukraine and trump has a connection to russian oligarchs. that is very relevant. >> harris: what connection does biden have to china that russia went to for help? >> what an obsession. you talk about democrat flaming up. that's what we've seen. why so touchy about hunter biden? why so touchy you have to scream back to your old trump

did this and that. no, answer the question. you are not answering the question. the question is about hunter biden and his deals and why it is not being investigated and why the president himself in a debate said as president -- >> harris: let him speak. >> i sat quietly through your rant. the president said he didn't have any discussions. we're seeing that proven wrong. then when you have the white house chief of staff say hunter did nothing wrong, did he all of a sudden become the attorney general? again, this is something that needs to be investigated. your reaction shows exactly why people do not trust what's going on with hunter biden right now. >> harris: let me get to this. nomiki, president obama was back at the white house yesterday striking an upbeat tone and so much energy. everybody was excited. anyway, it is in the face of terrible polling for president biden. a bit of advice on the

mid-terms. watch together. >> vice president biden -- vice president -- that was -- i heard some changes have been made by the current president since i was last here. apparently secret service agents have to wear aviator glasses now. >> what do you say to democrats worried about the mid-terms? >> harris: so all of that. it looked like he was actually -- i don't know -- at least engaging with the audience. this video cringey. you couldn't tell what was going on. shows the former president in the middle of the crowd of enthusiastic democrats really en tlald with obama. the current president standing alone off to the side figuring out what to do. there he is with the president formerly and current vice president, rnc tweeting

literally no one wants to talk to biden. and permanent, perhaps, damage control mode. president obama tweeted always great catching up with president biden. thanks for all you are doing to help even more americans get access to quality affordable healthcare, a "washington post" op-ed calls yesterday's events obama's rose colored return. obama came to cast a warm nostalgic goal on white house. in the process he reminded us of how we got here. nomiki. >> president biden got 81 million votes. he has received more votes than any presidential candidate in the history of our country. i think he is pretty popular. that's it. >> harris: have you seen the polls? >> that number his poll right now is the highest donald trump ever reached in polls. you might want to check those

numbers, too. >> harris: all of the polls. you see he is underwater on covid, on inflation, on everything. doug, i will come back to you. >> well, it's amazing. here we go again. it is amazing. i would hate to go to lunch with you. all you know to talk about is i want the hamburg ear by the way trump made a worse hamburger. something always about trump. where you have a former president -- a former president who came back and overshown the current president whose poll numbers yes, are lacking. you may not be able to talk about it but his poll numbers are dragging. even in the political ration around dc they talk about how democrats are disenfranchised with this president and the actions he has taken as president. you can try to deflect to a previous administration but you have to look at the administration that is currently in office, that is currently producing these results and american people

that are very dissatisfied with this president. yesterday a former president who looked back and said with rose colored gases made a showing and showed how bad this president is doing. >> harris: how many days we have until november 8. 216. democrats care about the poll numbers particularly the ones on the economy. nomiki brush up on it. great to have you. i love vug and doug. great to have you back on the program. thank you. president biden extended student loan forgiveness for months yesterday claiming it will help alleviate the lingering effects of the pandemic alexandria ocasio-cortez and many on the left in the house are furious. then there is this. >> seems like democrats have amnesia because it is joe biden, nancy pelosi and her counterparts who have limited the supply by shutting down oil production. >> harris: amnesia or selective

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>> prices are determined by international markets based on supply. >> because oil a commodity she'll doesn't control the price of crude oil or the price that consumers pay. >> harris: big oil executives taking questions from a house panel right now on soaring gas prices. dome -- democrats and the white house with blaming corporations for america's pain. >> 9,000 approved drilling permits that aren't being used. the suggestion that we're not allowing companies to drill is inaccurate. >> oil and gas industry has millions of acres leased. they have 9,000 permits to drill now. they could be drilling right now. >> there are 9,000 unused and approved oil leases right now

that these oil companies could tap into and do more. >> harris: critics like the one sitting next to me quick to pounce on this as a political strategy. a few op eds. democrats take slams at big oil. worried democrats poised to pin the blame for high gas prices on oil companies. david asman from fox business joins us now. let's first start with the 9,000 oil leases and the millions of miles of availability for oil. >> first of all it is not 9,000. 2,200 of those leases are in litigation right now. they are in litigation from various ecological concerns and so forth. they can't be drilled on whatsoever. that brings us to 6800. now, first you get the leases, then you have to get the permits. it is not a matter of getting the leases and you are free to drill. you have to find out whether there is oil in the place you've taken a lease at and you

have willing to through all the permits. the bureau of land management and very cumbersome and figure out what to do with the oil. if the pipeline has been killed you can't take it anywhere. you can't bring a truck in every time you get a full load. that's a false premise. also the fact that a year ago we had about three times as many leases out. so the number has actually come down. >> harris: look, i want to ask this and i'm plain jane on this. do they not know this in the white house or do they think we're stupid? >> of course they know. 95% of all the gas stations in america, 150,000 are owned by mom and pop retailers. they are not owned by the oil company. listen to the title of today's hearing. this is what the democrats put together. not only joe biden who is telling tall tales about this story, it is the whole democratic party. the title is gouged at the gas

station, big oil and america's pain at the pump. assuming that big oil is responsible for the prices at the gas stations. in fact, only 5% of gas stations are owned by big oil and the mom and pops who own the 95% are only making a slim margin. i think we have a graphic there. they are making 2 to 4 cents per gallon of a profit margin for the gasoline that they sell. they make more money per cup of coffee than they do per gallon of gas. the point is, is that they are lying about the premise of the whole thing. that there is this collusion. remember collusion. it is often lied about in politics but there is collusion between oil companies and gas stations and the price that you pay at the pump. that just ain't the way it works. look at the previous four years. if oil companies had the ability to raise the price to $110 a barrel three years ago, don't you think they would have done it? they don't have that luxury. >> harris: when the economy was

better and people could afford more. an interesting point, too. i want to get to this. president biden a little while ago made this announcement on student loan debt. >> president biden: my administration extending the pause on student loan payments through august 31 of 2022. folks were hit hard by this pandemic and though we've come a long way in the last year we're still recovering. this continued pause will help americans breathe a little easier as we recover and rebuild from the pandemic. >> harris: for the people who critically don't agree with that like experts say it is all about boosting the democrats' political game ahead of the mid-term election. but leaders on the left say it's still not enough. the progressives aren't happy. watch. >> i believe the president should go further and forgive $50,000 in student loans permanently. it is a huge burden on so many

people. college should be a ladder up. it is all too often with student debt is an anchor down. >> harris: don't just give them a break. wipe it away. what happens if they continue to chomp away at this and there is total student loan forgiveness? >> we have a big problem with our financial system the way loans are given out in america and the ability of people to get loans. it is important if you want to buy a house, car, etc. this has the danger of discouraging any kind of loans. when you make the odds of a loan payback higher, what happens? the interest rates go up. so the interest rates that everybody paid because the chance of a bank getting all their money back goes down. when the chances increase of non-payment, you get an increase in interest rates. that means higher interest

rates for everybody. the main thing is it's just -- think of all the millions of people who paid back their school loans. >> harris: did it without this, without the government bailing them out. >> remember when liz warren was confronted by a parent who paid back his kids' loans. do i get a refund now? the cost would be a trillion dollar if aoc gets what she wants a full pay back. schumer is fighting with aoc and the left wing of his party in new york for his seat in the senate. she wants that seat. he is going as far to the left as possible. so it may not -- there is -- >> harris: onof this is genuine. everything you just described is so disingenuous. it is not even funny. >> it's politics. i'm afraid, the lies we see with regard to the energy problem we have now and the gas problem. it is fit into the same thing. we are going into an election

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