♪ ♪ ♪ this is "outnumbered" and i am emily compagno. we are here with former attorney general bill bonner and kennedy joining us today. we are so grateful to have you both here with us swimming thank you, emily. >> getting to a top story, three separate mass shootings over easter weekend, and pittsburgh, 217 old boys were killed in a

shooting at a house party where the police say that most people were under age. and that includes authorities looking for multiple potential shooters. at least nine people were shot at a nightclub. thickly no one else was killed. that was just hours after a columbia mall shooting where nine people were shot and five others injured as they tried to escape with victims ranging in age from 14 years old to 73 years old. the police have arrested one suspect and a judge set the bail at $25,000. and get this, the suspect that open fired in that mall will be free to go to work after posting bond while simply wearing an ankle monitor. the attorney general, i come to you first because how is it possible for him to be at this point charged with unlawful carrying of a pistol to be out

on bond and able to go to work and free on bail? >> this is the epitome of the problem that we have. justice roberts spoke about it. it reached its peak in 1991, it took tough policy stopping the revolving door, taking the small number of violent predators out there, and locking them up and making sure that they serve their sentence. for 14 years we had lowering crime cut in half. in 2014, started going back up again, the states had come back the revolving door of justice and there is no end in sight. violence will continue until we get serious about fighting crime. >> here in new york city, even the police commissioner keechant sewell said that we have lost sight of the victims. but our focus on criminal justice reform, we are trying to pull out all of the different factors. however we lost sight of the victims, and nobody will forgive

that. >> it is not rational criminal justice reform, it is activists. and it is progressive to taking priorities and really turning them upside down. so it is one thing to not want to have so many people incarcerated, we should aim to have a lower incarceration rate, we are a self examining society, we are and involve society we have the ability to get better more so than any other culture upon earth. having said that, there are bad people who commit crimes that want to kill people who have no respect for life and those are the kinds of people who should be locked away for a long time, and instead what you have the left doing is they are trying to obliterate the second amendment, especially for response of law-abiding citizens, but then people who are committed the worst crimes, killing old people, harming kids, and we see this and every one of the shootings, there are children,

young children who are shot and killed in the crossfire. we should be respecting their stories in their lives. those are the people that should be put away. >> you know, they bring up the progressive left that have contributed to this. mayor eric adams of new york city, a democrat, he confirmed and acknowledges the fact that progressive politics have played a role. let's take a look. >> major mistakes played throughout the years, and the police commissioner is talking about rebuilding that trust. but we can't rebuild that by allowing those who are dangerous and that have heated history of violence to continue to be on our streets. >> i appreciate that he brings up the fact that progressive politics are part of it. his hands are tied. he walks around, he thinks that

crime is light, that's the number one issue for people. and he wants to do something about it, but as the attorney general said, it is a revolving door. and so you have alvin bragg saying we do not want to incarcerate people in the cycle goes on and on and we have to see a governors race or maybe somebody will say it is time to remove someone like this district attorney and then i think back to president joe biden who is making the issue all about guns again. saying we have to get them off the street. what about getting the people off the street that misused the guns. it's a chicken and egg question that you can debate all day. when you see what happens on our streets here, i would like to see people feeling safer about the cities and get them to come back. they are not going to do that as long as they are having shootings. >> it's not just the issue about the guns.

>> have you ever talked about your own experience? >> i was coming to work and it was an early shift and i was mugged by somebody and it happened to me as i was coming to work, probably one of the last few people that is here that continues to have support and yet i am risking my life to be able to do that and it's very scary. it happens every day, just walking home, my head is on a swivel. it is dangerous. >> that is a scary story that happened to you and so many people. >> yes, it has happened to so many people over the last couple of years. >> can you tell us about your reaction to this administration and their focus on the ghost guns that we keep hearing from the left when clearly it is multivariable, multi-factored,

that frankly centers on the fundamental need for public safety? >> criminals will always get the guns. the gun violence that we see today is because of the people that use the guns. and the refusal of this administration and the local jurisdictions to get these violent people off of the street. mass shootings, they are not newbies. they all have a criminal history record. career criminals, those are the people that can be easily identified. the cops know who they are, the object is to get them off of the street and that will reduce crime. you know, we did not get half the crime rate in 22 years by running after guns. we did it by putting career criminals in prison for a long time. people that use the guns. when i left the administration, we were charging 1000 felons --

1000 felons a month. if we are not willing to put them in prison, why are we chasing after the guns? >> that is right, that recidivist quality that has been eroded by the left right, it has been taken out of their hands, reclassification of crime from felonies to misdemeanors, discretion, lack of deterrence, all of that plays into a factor into the attorney general's point that is why we are seeing the same people that have been arrested, it's not new to us, but there is a complete breakdown with the entire chain. >> these are the type of stories that make my blood boil. i talk about recidivism all the time. something is broken. the bail system in this country is broken. this man was actually arrested

back in 2018 for being an accessory to a murder of a 17-year-old. yet he is back on the streets and shot again in a mass shooting in a mall where the children could have been killed and he's now allowed to go to work. he does not have that right until he has tried in a courtroom and he has been brought to justice. because he is a risk. also set at a recent conference, people serve a little bit of time, they get out, they get right back doing what they normally do, that is to commit crimes. why are we not changing laws? just last week a 9-year-old girl was shot multiple times in the arm. what was she doing? taking pictures with the easter bunny. she was shot in the arm, her bone was fractured from a stray bullet. and why are malls not better secured? why don't we have a radar detector to detect things from being brought into these places.

and it is about time that somebody is held accountable. and i don't see administrations doing anything about it either. >> one of the single greatest factors that we need to call upon, that we need to call upon to do when it comes to safety? >> i think that we need attention for violent people who pose a threat, and we need tough sentences on people who commit multiple career repeat offenders. these people are victims of the inner-city communities. when they see people, it deters them from cooperating with the police and pointing out the people causing the harm. they want to cooperate. and these people get up the next day and they are scared. >> they need to find a better way to empower police because they are not able to do their jobs properly to deter these

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>> series new concerns at the southern border. known or suspected terrorists caught in the united states last year. this comes as customs and border patrol data show that more than 221,000 migrants at the southern border last month were caught. that is not only up from a year ago, it is also the highest monthly number in 20 years. some officials say that those numbers could go five times higher next month when the joe biden administration and the donald trump era koba 19 restrictions are up at the border. greg abbott says a sixth bus full of illegal immigrants is on the way to the nation's capital.

attorney general, welcome to joe biden's america. >> right, we have completely lost control of the border, one of the greatest trump administration seats was eventually doing it after fighting in court. it now they have no control over the border whatsoever. so basically we have put out, you know, the ability to invite people to come up not just from south america from all over the world, coming into south america, working their way across the border. and i think the terrorists that were caught or just the tip of the iceberg. >> those were the 20 that we knew about. so let's talk about new york state, and of course, the governor has zero to say, she declined to comment, but the joe biden administration, they declined to say why they have stopped, but they say that they have been used to transport on a

unaccompanied minors. and they said regardless of what happens in that county and state, the flights never stop to other airports around the country this entire time. it's like the energizer bunny that they kept going and going. >> they are spreading emigrants around the way that covid-19 has spread around. this airplane came from el paso international texas airport. it had a stopover in jacksonville, florida, then it came to westchester, goodness knows how many people got off there, one of them ended up in cherry hill, new jersey, where a 17-year-old kid and younger were picked up getting off the bus. this is a well orchestrated machine of helping migrants across the country. here in new york, hard-working taxpayers, it is like a slap in the face. governor kathy hochul is being held complicit for this. as you know, 65 years or older

applying for state funded medicaid benefits here, so we are inviting them and by giving them incentives instead of deterring them from coming in illegally. now with title 42 being dropped potentially, saying come on in, you don't have to wear a mask, and bring your covid-19. >> kennedy, the wall street editorial board said that if joe biden wanted to have restrictions and the restrictive point of view, his policy is doing that more than donald trump or any prior administration and that if he was to rally public support against pro-immigration, this is exactly how to do it because of the ramifications that you outlined. >> it's interesting because they are forcing this in the opposite direction and you think that the encountered numbers are high. and just wait until may or june, they are going to be off the charts, that is why they are moving people around. so people are stuck under bridges in the sweltering heat,

suffering with their kids for days and days, because there are not enough resources to process the number of people's coming over. so it's been a disorganized mess and i don't want to here one member of congress complain because it's their responsibility to come up with laws that make it so that we have a process in place for people. because otherwise it is a free-for-all. and you know, the repulsion of title 42 is a marketing tool for cartels. they are letting people do this, because they no longer have the policies that will send you back because of a health crisis. so yes, congress has to act. the democrats are in power. if they want more people in, they put the procedures in place to allow more people. >> for administration, this is something they are certainly

ignoring that the cartels and coyotes and the whole that they have on the border, there is a horrendous story of a woman left hanging on the wall of the southern border by coyotes. the cartel has this fall solution and they are under the care that they will take care of this, that they will absolutely abandon them to the tune of thousands of people who have died trying to come across the border. >> it shows the double standard. right? in one case its humanitarian crisis, we have to let them come here, on the same token they can be subject to dealing with these cartels and the coyotes and all the dangers that come with it. for me it is not only a slap in the face as a taxpayer in new york when i see those videos coming here, because of the funds that we could use, we could be doing so many other things to spur economic activity and now we are supporting illegal immigrants and i have no problem with illegal immigration. i wouldn't be here on this couch if it wasn't for legal

immigration. my parents home in the story about how they came to this country and they had to do the tough exams they have to show that they were going to be productive members of the society. at that they had to have sponsors in all of these things. this country is a melting pot. yes, we support immigration. but you have to do with the right way, you have to do it legally. it's not fair to everybody else to allow this to go on. >> quick final word, what do you expect or do you have insight into the result of the 500 page report, the conclusion of the administration investigation into those southern border agents, is it a negative sign, the link the 500 pages, criminal wrongdoing, with this investigation? >> swimmac this is the weight of these investigations go now. there are books about things and certain things they feel that are not an issue. but we have fixed the problem with this problem in mexico.

once they understood that they wouldn't be able to come in to the united states and they would have to wait for processing, most that are bogus plans, they stopped coming out. this administration is self-destructive, they did away with upholding it and they will not apply it. they just had the program implemented and it will stop the flood of people coming. >> and lives would be saved. okay, coming up next, the numbers on border crime and inflation are expectedly sinking to new lows. so now the media has a new talking point right after this my mental health was much better. my mind was in a good place. but my body was telling a different story.

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economy, obviously it is a bit of both, but the president needs to take some accountability here. >> this reminds me of jimmy carter. it is a replay of jimmy carter. overwhelmed by the problems facing the administration, doesn't know how to lead the country out of it, eventually blaming it on the american people. and i think we see the same thing playing out here. but they are directly under control, crime is under control of the government and it is going up because of government policies. immigration is under control. they have opened the border and inflation, they have adopted policies that have made it worse, big spending at the beginning, finally getting control, they wanted to write big checks. they have reduced energy independence, running through everything, energy costs, everything can be priced higher. so every action is taken.

>> and kennedy, it's not just the economy, we talked about crime, the housing market, the only thing that was doing well during the pandemic was the housing market because everybody wanted to get out of cities like new york city and homes were booming, prices were booming, now the interest rate of 5%. so there goes that positive. are there any -- is there a ring around any of this? what is the silver lining? can you find it? >> i would like to see us and this and get over this notion of central banking, that it's going to heal the economy. that clearly is not what is going to happen. with the fed, they are going to push the interest rates high, with inflation, trying to go forward and we are going to wobble into a recession. and i think in short order, shorter than what they're telling us, because they said that it was transitory, but yes, when you flood the economy with

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i don't know if they know what to do with the power. that is a problem because i don't believe that he is actually, in fact, making a lot of these decisions. i'm not sure that he knows what is going on. and if we watch the news conferences, he certainly doesn't seem to be weighing in. >> i would think the antidote to incompetent invertebrate policy, some semblance of leadership of control and strengthening in some way and the notion that the messaging coming out of the white house and the media is jesus, take the wheel, it is so ineffective, especially not only for the ballot in november, but for those few people left in this country that might actually have faith in the commander-in-chief. >> would like to see more from the libertarian forum. >> what do you say as far as what we are seeing in the country and the lack of accountability? >> it is an erosion of the american dream. not only are people paying more in taxes, quality of life, but

now the inflation has extra attacks. so people feel like they are chasing, running around on the hamster wheel again under .they didn't feel that way under president trump. so the short answer is there could be a change in the midterm, so they are going to put the pedal to the metal right now, trying to was much as they can, spend as much as they can before they can't do it anymore and that is the problem. >> heading to a break, the white house press secretary is trying to justify her comments about our very own peter. and we have that coming up next. ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> the media silence on the attack by jen psaki on peter doocy is a perfect example. this is what she said last week. >> okay, if we have to talk about peter doocy for one second. is he a [bleep] or does he [bleep] on tv. >> he works for network. >> okay. >> that provides people with questions that nothing personal to any individual including peter doocy, that could make anyone sound like [bleep] >> where is the backlash? no condemnation from the white house correspondents association, except for brian from cnn weighed in and defended him. >> i think that jen psaki is kind of like the individual from your senior year, and you're just tired of all of this, we are seeing that from her, she

didn't really criticize him directly, she was really criticizing fox news as an organization. >> but the media had no problem calling out president trump when he went after certain things. >> it was deeply offense of the way they went after them 2. >> the connective tissue there, the through line is anti-media. >> frequently at attacking and news the media. >> they wer also characteriz as threats to democracy. >> you know, one of the reasons that trump won the election is because they were sick of it, and they knew that the game gets played, peter doocy is doing what a professional journalist should be doing at the white house press conferences, which is raising hard questions and

challenges. people that you ordinarily don't see with democrats. but they have one response in the media is an expansion of the democratic party and their response is to be snarky. >> and apologist media. the bottom line, for doing this job, he was met with profanity and this kind of mocking of journalism, he dared to actually do his job and now the media is covering that up. >> let's first recall that it was the president himself that use the expletive to describe him and now jen psaki is continuing it. i think she has a case of what we call senior-itis. she stood on the podium and was talking about how she is completely above following all the rules in the ethics and you see an interview like this and say oh really, did all of that is fly out of the window? because if you're going to do one thing, go do it, and

pretending to be representing the administration in answering those questions honestly and fairly and targeting one member of the media or the network, however you want to look at it. >> she brought up the president and i remember on day number one, she said if i hear another call of disrespect, i will fire you on the spot, because everybody, she said, is entitled to be treated with decency and dignity but i guess that doesn't apply to journalists. >> it's obviously a double-faced comment. they made this back in 2021 in front of hundreds of people and millions across the nation, watching him get sworn in. it was a nice about-face, i guess that they were trying to prove that they were not like president trump who did try to use some strong language, although he did call peter doocy out on the campaign trail.

you have to treat each other with dignity, the press is actually part of the white house. but the rules apply as long as you work here at fox news channel. >> obviously, a rough competitor with msnbc, again, an ethical breach on her part. he said something telling. so she thinks that other people's questions for journalists, she thinks that other people are going to prepare for her and write out her material, which means that she is going to fail utterly if she is not going to do her own work which is what peter does and it's what jackie does and what everyone does who works in their capacity, they write their own questions and follow-ups and these are some of the few remaining honest agents in washington who are calling truth to power. i'm glad they make her nervous and if you think someone else is going to do her work for her, good luck, sister.

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>> russia ramping up attacks, targeting lviv, plus a live update from kyiv. plus, peter doocy reports at the top of the hour and former ronald reagan assistant art laffer, is it possible as inflation becomes the top issue for american voters is it comes up on the midterm elections? join us at the start when we return. ♪ ♪ ♪

>> you know, there are some individuals that in school, as administration, they were asked at the middle school not to have private conversations with their kids about gender issues, but they claim in court that the principal guidance counselor and teachers ignored the request, even referring to their biological daughter and son by other pronouns without the parents knowledge. so julie, i am an ally, i am pro lgbtq, i want everyone to live their truth, when my kids go to school, i want them to learn the basics and the basics to me are math and reading, may be a language or two, but this is

just overstepping. >> i don't think that anybody has a right to teach my kids something i don't approve of and if you are going to talk about my kids, that is just ground zero and that is some sort of war, that is why they are sick and tired because they are jamming all of this political stuff down the throats of others. they should be learning science and history and history is also being raised, we talk about this and other topics, but as far as gender, nothing wrong with being transgender, if you were born a certain way, you have a right to live that way, but there is a time and place to teach about that. and i'm not even comfortable with sexual education in school, i want to teach that to my children, was need to know their place. so i do think that there is a division. >> let's talk about that, aside from this particular issue. when common core came into the forefront, we saw massive division between parents and schools and there was a

concerted effort to keep parents out of the classroom. so where does that come from? >> well, it comes from the state and it is partly the culture, the progressive culture, which is parental law is not a sufficient relationship and you need a village to raise your children collectively. you know, we are not sparta. and parents raise their children. and so that is why the human species is alive today and if a child is troubled, if things can be confusing these days, they are just learning and they get a sense of themselves, that is where the parent needs to be guiding them and parental health is a utmost importance. not to be put out by the state employees and with what julie said and what you were saying, the state can teach reading and

writing and arithmetic, maybe american history and stuff like that, but they don't have the ability to teach ideology, they don't have the right to tell people what to think in this country. >> but if there are parents that want to have a school like that, i think that they should be able to make that choice. if they want the core of the classroom to be about the subjects, they should be able to go to those schools and for other parents who want their kids to learn things, to help them be productive, smart, intellectual members of society, maybe we should have more school choice. >> this boils down to a complete erosion of parental rights due to the over broadening of school rights. they are talking about religious freedom, due process, they specifically asked not to have private conversation with their children about gender pronouns,

names and the like. and in an e-mail, the school ignored that. and when child and the students that this is my preferred pronouns and this is what i request to be known by, they required all, students and teachers and counselors and said do not inform the parents. that is absolutely horrifying. the school district and the school superintendent had the nerve to say that this was a thinly veiled and camouflage of parental rights because of the intolerance of lgbtq people. and they said the only real place that is safe is the school and not home. so the schools are coming in and binds america and saying that we know more about how to teach your children, how to coach them, and we are keeping secrets from you. >> more of jackie coming your way and we have more "outnumbered" coming your way in

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♪♪♪ >> in the center seat we are fortunate to have former attorney general bill barr. his new book "one damn thing after another, memoirs of an attorney general" best sellers. >> early life, years under h. w. bush and then the tumultuous trump years, and discusses violent crime, parental rights, but also goes over my relationship with trump. >> is there something in the

process of writing it that surprised you as you were recollecting through all of these years, or that was particularly impactful to you? >> actually the most pleasant part of writing it were my early years, required me to go back and think through my childhood here in new york on the upper west side and that was a pleasant time bringing back those memories. >> has your family said anything about it, excited about it for you? >> they are excited, excited, they keep track of how it's doing. >> well, we all cannot wait to read it. now we are going to move on to this topic, which is a surprise gone sour in kentucky. it's led to a man winning a $450,000 lawsuit against his former employer, get this. the poor man has a history of anxiety and panic attacks but asked the company not to throw him a surprise birthday party as was customary for employees, and they threw one, and he had a

panic attack, and he was criticized for it, and had another panic attack he's laughing to the bank. >> get the reaction and blame him and fire him. this is the country we live in. as a top attorney, is it sweet justice? >> i think it's sort of unfortunate our courts have to spend time on these kinds of disputes. >> thank the democrats. >> there are more important things. >> don't throw a birthday party, if someone asks you, don't do it. >> the best thing to do, donation in their name. >> i don't want a big engagement ring, no, seriously. and oh, ok, here we go, eight carats. >> i think i would have thrown the surprise party. we'll take it, flip the dice on this one. i don't know, i love surprise

parties. as an employer, thank god nobody's boss, maybe i would have held back but friends, beware. if you don't me you don't like a surprise party, you will get a double whammy party. >> i would think as a company they would be relieved not to have to dip into the budget. >> less partying, more work. >> big thanks to everyone for watching and attorney general bill barr for joining us today. here is "america reports." >> sandra: thank you, russia showing no place is safe in ukraine as missiles rain down on lviv. at least seven killed and many others injured where thousands of desperate refugees thought they would be safe. what could vladimir putin be planning next as the desperation there builds? >> michael allen joins us on that and more, plus, art laffer, larry kudlow, jonathan turley, and reminder,