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time right now. so that is yet to materialize. we'll see. so much breaking news. welcome, everybody, happy to see you this weekend. we're trying to get to the bottom of exactly what's going on there. what we know without doubt is that the russian assault not only in mariupol, but the eastern and southern part of the country is running very strong, and a record number of sorties over the past 24 hours. let's get the latest from matt finn. matt. >> reporter: neil, it's just a dire standoff at the steel plant in mariupol. vladimir putin said he would stop bombing that plant and instead barricade it, basically forcing the people inside to starve or surrender, but now ukraine says russia has resumed bombing on that plant. an estimated 2,000 yaiben marines -- ukrainian marines along with civilians have been holed up in tunnels underneath the plant, and now we're getting some of our first glimpses.

new video released by the ukrainian military appear to show women and children hiding in the tunnels. one mother says her family has been sheltering there since february, and they're running out of food. >> translator: this seemed to be the safest place when we came here. our house had come under fire and was unenat habiting. we've been here since february 27th. e hope we can leave here because we've sat here for two months already. not like outside. when our houses are rebuilt, we can live in piece. >> reporter: and outside of -- in peace. >> reporter: a russian commander is now admitting that a moscow does want to take full control of eastern and southern ukraine all across the southern coast extending to moldova in the west, essentially landlocking ukraine and redrawing russia's border from the donbas in the east all the way to moldova, stripping ukraine of its critical

industrial area and creating a land bridge to be crimea. it's also sparking fear that moldova could be the next to be invaded by russia. and more new video from kharkiv shows the relentless bombing, airstrikes hitting more residential towers. people dropping for cover and emergency crews rushing in to help injured civilians. and britain has become the latest country saying it will reopen its embassy in kyiv, ukraine says it's confident the united states will follow soon. neil: neil thank you very much for all of that, match9. be safe -- matt. be safe, my friend. to general david perkins, four-star is general, u.s. army. fox news contributor. general, your take on this sudden, more and much more aggressive wave of attack from russia. what are we to make of that? >> well, i think we sort of saw this coming. i mean, this is what the russians do. i mean, you -- any promises they make, i don't, i wouldn't take it to the bank at all based on

their history. they are going to continue to target any areas that think think -- they think will give them an advantage getting the eastern and southern portion of ukraine under their control which the last reporter has talked about. it's no secret what they're trying to do is really cut off ukraine from the black sea, and this is the second time we've heard a russian general sw officer talking about going all the way to moll dove slashing specifically that small sliver end between ukraine and moldova. i think what the russians are trying to do is pretty obvious. and the way that russians conduct attacks is this very heavy bombing and artillery because it prevents them from having to take in ground troops which were not that effective in phase one of this war. neil: general, this battle to take on this steel plant where 2,000 ukrainian soldiers are essentially trapped, we learned as well that hundreds, maybe thousands of civilians through a tunnel network around that plant are similarly trapped. now, vladimir putin had promised

not to attack this plant. he's attacking it now. he had demanded that they surrender a few days ago or they would be obliterated, and he said that he wouldn't, as i said, pursue the plant. he is now. this is just as much a civilian target, if you think about it, because so many civilians are in that, but that does seem to be part of his strategy. he doesn't care. maybe that is the focus, going after civilians. what do you think? >> i think it's been part of the focus all along. so that large steel complex there, it really is you are wan -- urban jungle. you've seen pictures of it, you know, thousands of individual rooms and buildings, and this tunnel network underneath it. now, for the ukrainians that actually provides them significant protection against with artillery and you want to call it the dumb bombs being dropped by the aircraft because in reality artillery and those types of bombs are very lethal

above surface, they're not that good at penetrating bunkers and these tunnels unless they have a kinetic type of smart bomb which i've not seen used yet. so this tunnel network, while a dreary place to live and i'm sure not very hospitable, provides them a significant amount of protection from the type of weapons the russians are using right now. neil: but they can't get food. they can't -- they're literally, potentially being starved to death. >> i think that is the the bigger challenge for the ukrainians. their big challenge is how long can they hold out with their ammunition and food, and the russians will continue to sort of cut them off. so then it becomes an issue of how quickly can the mater yell that the u.s. and nato are sending get to them to provide relief for the people trapped there. neil: our griff jenkins had a chance to speak to president

zelenskyy's chief of staff who, much like his boss, has been elementing even though the sanctions are -- la lamenting the sanction ises are forthcoming, there aren't enough of them, a lot of them significantly delayed. i want you to respond to this. >> the war continues. the ukrainians continue to kill by russians. killed our children, our women, our men, our soldier, our civilian and destroying our cities. it's absolutely understandable that these sanctions which exist if is not enough. neil: what do you think, general? >> well, i think all along in history tells us sanctions generally do not prevent wars from starting if the leaders are intent on it. what the sanctions are going to do -- and it is a long-term process -- they are going to reduce russia's ability to replace things they have lost, reduce russia's ability to get better as compared to the

ukrainians who are now getting an increased flow of material in. and i know our secretary of defense is leading a bunch of other countries, over 20, next week to figure out even more weapons that are specifically capable for the ukrainians in the fight that they're in. so the flow of material is going in ukrainians' favor, the russians are losing flow of material in, but this is a matter of time. it is not an immediate effect. neil: general, i'm curious what you think besides no way for civilians to get off the there, there had been a defined humanitarian passageway for them to get out of there. then we later learned the russians were going to, indeed, offer one, maybe two, but one of those passageways goes to russia and they wouldn't necessarily be telling those leaving where their going. what do you make of that? >> yeah. if i were the ukrainians, i would not count on any of these passageways if they were to be

established, leapt alone where they are leading to. i do think the ukrainians have to focus on how do they win this tactically, how do they initially stop the russian attack and then, of course, ultimately, how do they push them back. that needs if to be their focus because anything the russians promise will probably not come to fruition. and if it does, you can bet on it benefiting the russians, not the ukrainians. neil: general, thank you. very good talking to you and thank you for your incredible service to this country as well. general david perkins, u.s. army four-star general at that. i want to go to countries in the region that might be getting worried about what's happening right now including finland which has its sights set on becoming a nato member, and that got an angry response from russia, particularly vladimir putin, their foreign minister, the defense minister weighing in all of them saying it's not a very good idea. that sounds a lot like a russian version of tony soprano. we've got the acting u.s.

ambassador to finland. ambassador, good to see you. obviously, the message here from vladimir putin is don't even think about it. he has said the same of sweden entertaining the same thing, becoming a nato member. is it your sense, sir, that finland is still set to do that regardless? >> well, the finnish -- first of all for having me on, neil, appreciate it. neil: thank you. >> the finnish have finished their public session and have gone into a closed door session where the foreign affairs committee is going to coordinate the response to the report that the government put out on the security situation. i think that report was notable in its calling out very clearly the problems that the russian aggressors have caused in the region and the complete change to the security situation in northern europe that's created. they're taking a very deliberative, a very serious look at what their security posture needs to be, and the

public is very strongly many favor of -- in favor of looking at nato membership. so right now polls are showing about 65% in favor, and that number creeps up to about 80% if the government comes out and decides they're in favor. neil: assuming they do just that, ambassador, i'm curious what you make of the timing of vladimir putin's so-called missile, no mystery to that definition, even though it may not be ready for prime time, it's there, and he's reminding the world it's there. i'm wondering if he's reminding finland it's there. what do you think? >> i suspect that's true. this is not something that's new to finland. they are used to this saber-rattling from russia, it's been going on for months and years. it's been stepped up since february. they've had gps jamming on the borders, they've had hacking of their foreign ministry and

defense ministry web sites right as president zelenskyy was addressing the finnish parliament. so this isn't new to finland, they're used to it, they've seen it before. they're reacting calmly but with appropriate concern. i think if you ask them, they'll tell you that that they don't see an immediate threat, but it's not going to deter them from making a sovereign decision on what's in their best interest for their security future. neil: so, ambassador, from that i take it at the very least i think vladimir putin opinion has promised there are going to be more nuclear-type weapons poised at the border between his considerable border, 300 miles -- >> yeah it's an 800-mile border -- neil: how do they react to that? >> well, again, i would look at the lithuanian president mentioned when the first press that russia issued on the nuclear front he said, look,

there's already russian nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons in the region that have this kind of range, so this isn't a new situation for anyone. it's just people are talking about it out loud now. neil: i hear you. all right. ambassador, i want to thank you very much for taking the time. ian campbell, acting u.s. ambassador to finland which does seem, indeed, poised to become a nato member. overwhelming numbers in finland are for it, i don't know if they would have been there before the ukraine war. they're certainly there now. similar sentiment building in sweden. to -- so in a matter of weeks we could see two more nato members, both breathing russian air. we have a lot more coming up. the switcheroo on title 42. used to be henry cuellar, the border state congressman in texas, right? now it's grown to 47 democrats who say not a good idea, and that list is getting more crowded. so crowded that we don't think we could fit it in our picture.

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neil: 47 concerned about 2. 47 democrats right now warning if the white house goes ahead and ends title 42, there are going to be problems. and, of course, all of this happening in the backdrop of midterm elections. anyway, lucas tomlin 'em -- tomlinson at the white house. sphwhrr hey, neil. president biden flew to seattle not far from the border, border with canada, that is. many lawmakers want him to go to the southern border because they're concerned about the coming knew grant surge. of course -- migrant surge. listen to this candid admission from one democratic lawmaker. >> this is not good for democrats in november. you know, in talking to some of my remany palin colleague -- republican colleagues, they're saying we can't believe the white house is giving us this

narrative. >> reporter: dozens of democrats, including many in tight senate races this fall, urging the white house to keep title 42 in place, that trump era health measure that has barred nearly 2 million migrants from coming into the u.s. bipartisan senators have introduced a bill delaying the lifting for 60 days. the biden administration plans to repeal it next month. the president's own dhs secretary the, alejandro mayorkas, has also reportedly told members of congress he's also concerned. senator tom cotton says biden's policies are out of touch. >> the biden administration's official policy, whatever president biden says, is that we should force toddlers to wear masks on airplanes, but we should throw open our southern border to a quarter million illegal aliens every single month. >> reporter: the president will host the congressional hispanic caucus here at the white house on monday. they'll discuss immigration and, of course, title 42. neil: thank you very much, my friend.

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it made up just a teeny bit of ground. still down 980 points when all was said and done, the single worst day for the markets under joe biden. have to go back to october 2020 to see such a loss. what's really going on here in the catalyst seems to be fears of a big backup in interest rates, one putting it the odds of the federal reserve increasing maybe as much as three-quarters of a point the month after may. steve moore is with us, danielle demartino booth is with us. danielle, the idea of the federal reserve being that aggressive obviously unnerved these guys. should they be unnerved? is he going to be that aggressive? >> well, i think that the market right now is interpreting if major policy has already been done. starting out yesterday by saying why the federal reserve made a

major mistake on inflation, these are never the headlines you want to see. it does appear the united states is slowing, the economy is slowing at the same time we have raging inflation, and it clearly is asleep at the switch. neil: steve, what do you think in. >> look, i think that's exactly right. if you go back 14 months ago when trump left office, we had a 1.5% inflation rate and now 14 months later we're at 8.5%. that's an incredible slide. and in large part, in my opinion, because of this runaway spending. so, yes, the federal reserve board has to raise rates, no question about it, to suck some of this excess money out of the economy. but let's not forget there's a big fiscal component to this. we have to start cutting government spending because that's really, in my opinion, the match that lit -- neil: that never happens. that never happens. it didn't happen under your old boss, and it's not happening clintons finish. >> neil, i know that.

i'm telling you what they should do, not what they're going to do. and, look, if you don't start getting some of this excess spending and debt out of the economy, it's going to be really difficult and painful to deal with an a inflation problem that, in my opinion, is getting worse. it's not getting better. neil: it might get better, danielle, we've seen what's going on in china, and i didn't want to leave people hanging on that, but they've actually had a real slowdown going on owing in large part to shutting down shanghai. but the spillover effect is sapping chinese demand, chinese activity, and the betting seems to be it will put a lid on how high oil prices go, maybe how bad inflation gets. do you buy that? >> well -- [inaudible conversations] neil: first danielle. >> -- [inaudible] serious drubbing in china. we forget that before the pandemic hit, the chinese growth had slowed down to a

three-decade low. they've reverted back to that and, by the way, you mention we've got midterm elections coming up here in the united states. xi jinping has an election of his own in november trying to get that third term. so all of the stimulus money that they're going to be spending in china is going to to be directed internally, domestically. so unlike 2016 when china was able to hoover up, buy up a whole bunch of commodities around the world, they don't have that capacity and ability right now. so, yeah, china's definitely going to be, going to help slow growth, slow the inflation on a global level. neil: steve, if i could switch gears with you, i just want to pick your brairntion i know you were very, very close to donald trump, the major republican players, this dust can-up over kevin mccarthy and the january 6th, you know, assault on the capitol where he is reportedly heard on tape criticizing the president, that, you know, i've had it with this guy said a few days after the that event, that

trump was to blame, quoting him now, for this storming of the capitol. i don't know if president trump has responded to that or talked to kevin mccarthy since. do you? >> i do not. i did just see the president two days ago at a big heritage foundation gathering and had some time to talk to him privately. i'll tell you this, i do think donald trump is not going away. i was more convinced than ever that he is running for president, neil. he gave a great presentation on all his economic accomplishments and all of the things that biden has done wrong. i mean, you were just talking about china and russia. you know, we weren't so dependent on china and russia when trump was president. we didn't have to deal with, you know, the russian oil and gas. we were producing it all here at home. and i think trump is very frustrated about how much things have falteredded in the last 14 months -- neil: but your sense that he's going to run again.

the reason why i mention the kevin mccarthy issue is, you know, if republicans take control of the house, he would presumably be the next speaker unless donald trump comes in and says he's not a guy you want as speaker. do you know anything about their relationship, has any evidence of these tapes come out yet? >> i do not know much about the relationship. i'll say this though, again, being in politics for 30 years, sometimes even if you don't like somebody, you've got to get along with them if you want to make progress. if trump is the next president and that could be the case, and you're right that it looks like kevin mccarthy's going to be speaker of the house, they better learn how to get along. neil: all right. he doesn't get along, obviously, with mitch mcconnell. that's why i wonder. but you think maybe they're over there, kevin mccarthy discussed that with him, but you wouldn't know. >> i'll just simply say this, every day that joe biden is president, trump's presidency looks better. neil: final word on that

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♪ neil: -- >> overturned the mask mandate. >> yes! >> you may remove your mask. it's over immediately. congratulations. [applause] neil: all right. well, don't necessarily keep the applause going. dr. anthony fauci with us right now, white house chief medical adviser, wasn't keen on this judge's decision. joining us right now. dr. fauci, very good to have you back. >> thank you, neil. good to be with you. neil: i caught your quote, sir, in which you said this is the a cdc issue, it should not have been a court issue. what did you mean by that? is. >> well, exactly what i said, neil, that this is a public health issue, and the point that i was making is that you always

respect a decision of a judge in a court and, in fact, that's what's happening right now because the masks are coming off in transportation, planes and other forms of transportation. but the point that i was making, that this is a public health decision, and i think a a bad precedent when decisions about public health issues are made by people be they judges or what have you that don't have experience or expertise in public health. and i believe that this should remain a cdc decision, and the cdc has a very large number of experienced scientists and epidemiologists that make those judgments based on the dynamics of the outbreak on the ground and other considerations that they make. so i wasn't at all defying the authority of a judge because when the judge makes a decision, you abide by that decision. i was concerned about the principle of having non-public

health people making public health decisions. neil: so what about the ckc weighing in on, you know -- cdcing weighing in on a rental eviction moratorium? the supreme court did take that up. should the cdc have not? >> >> you know, that's an area, neil, that i'm really not that familiar with, to be honest with you. i'm not trying to evade your question, but i have not been involved in looking at the details of that, and i really would be a bit hesitant to make any kind of determination on that. neil: wouldn't a court be a better place, though, to deal with an issue like, you know, a rental moratorium? than a health entity? >> you know, neil, i really can't say on that because it's a different situation than what you asked me about regarding the public health dangers or not of being in a closed place in transportation. i would have to really go back and take a look at that before i make any statement about, about

evictions. neil: so on the mask thing in general, doctor, people are very, very confused. it might be taken off on plane froms, and that's fine -- planes, and that's fine. depending on where you land, in the new york metropolitan area, laguardia or jfk, you have to put the mask on. if you're in new jersey, you don't. philadelphia had a mask requirement, then lifted the mask requirement. l.a., i can't keep up with what's going on there. you can see why americans are confused, right? >> no,ing i agree with you, neil, there is, you know, a reason for concern and confusion because there are differences of risk. when you're on a closed -- first of all, i don't know what the ultimate decision that the cdc will make. you recall that the expiration of that requirement on transportation for april 18th, the cdc extended it for 15 days

until may 3rd, and the reason they needed that is that we are in a dynamic situation where we're in a situation where the cases had gone down dramatically over the past several weeks, but now with the ba.2 we're starting to see a blip up in cases. and what the cdc is trying to determine, is that going to be reflectedded in an increase in hospitalizations which is the new metric that they're using about a making their determinations about requirements for masks in indoor settings as well as in places like transportation. so it's kind of a moving target. so they were asking for another 15 days to get to may 3rd. then when the court overruled that and said that masks were coming off, it's understandable how there could be some confusion. they may have decided to pull back on masks anyway by may 3rd, i don't think i don't know -- i

don't know. they're using the science and what's going on on the ground. of course people might be confused by that when you have that back and forth. neil: you know, you had said, and i think i'm quoting you correctly, doctor, no chance we will be able to eliminate the covid virus. you also added the new variants are coming soon, you didn't say constant, i apologize. i'm wondering when someone like you says this whole covid thing, it's not going away, that scares people. what do you think? >> well, it's the reality. take a look at the history. i don't think it should necessarily scare people. maybe -- well, i will, and thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain it a bit. if you look at the history of infectious diseases outbreaks, namely typical respiratory-borne illnesses, we've only completely

eradicated from the planet one virus that afflicts humans, and that's smallpox. that's eradication. elimination means where you haven't eradicated it from the globe, but you've essentially eliminated it, for example, from a given country, take the united states. so what have we done? we've done that with measles, and we've done that with polio with. but there were three factors that went into our ability to do that. one, measles and polio is not a virus that changes. the measles that we had 20, 30 years ago is the same measles we have right now. number one. number two, either infection-induced or vaccine-induced immunity is virtually lifelong. and ors as a matter of fact, that's what we had. and then you have a very, very effective widely acceptable and widely accept ised vaccination campaign. that's why we were able to eliminate it.

but if you look at sars-cov-2, we have a virus of a great degree of variability. two, the immunity even from infection or from vaccine wanes over time. and we don't have a wide acceptance of vaccination. so i believe that we're not going to be able to eliminate it. it will, hopefully, get down to a low enough level where it does not disrupt society, it doesn't disrupt the economy, doesn't disrupt our -- neil: potentially it could, right, doctor? if because as you -- [inaudible conversations] >> and i believe we can do that. particularly if we get more people vaccinated to get it at a low enough level where it doesn't disrupt us. that's what i was trying to say where i don't think we're going to get rid of it. neil: but you also said, you also said that herd immunity might not apply to covid. and, you know, you -- if you're right about that and the number

of cases -- >> there was a disconnection -- neil: can you hear us, doctor? you don't hear us anymore, doctor? we apologize for that. we'll try to fix that. in the meantime, i do want to go to former deputy assistant attorney general. if we get the doctor back, i'd like to return to him. tom, you heard a little bit of what dr. fauci was saying here on mask requirements, whether the cdc should be the arbiter of this or a court intervening, in this case a florida judge intervening. who's right on this issue? obviously, courts have the final say, that's our legal system, but it should be made with those health issues in mind. what do you -- who's right in. >> yeah. neil, i think the answer is that in the first instance it's congress that needs to make a decision here. and congress can either legislate mask requirements or not, or it can give a federal agency the power to do that.

what the federal judge in florida decided which she simply said, look, i've looked at the power that congress granted to this particular agency here, the cdc, and i don't think it has the power to issue a mask mandate. that's all that she decided. she didn't decide whether it was a good idea or a bad ideas idea, she just simply looked at the law and said i don't think this federal agency has the power to do what it did. neil: all right. back to dr. anthony fauci now. doctor, i apologize for that. we're talking about the legality of the judge and the football on that, but with i was asking you about this herd immunity thing of which you seem to have your doubts that it might not apply to covid. if you're right, then it is a constant, it is back, a reminder with us indefinitely. this happens at a time when we're getting, again, disparate advice on how many shots you get, the one dose, two doses,

three doses, how they're spaced apart. what do you recommend in. >> you know, i don't think we can make a firm recommendation now because, again, neil, it is a bit of a moving target. the one thing we do know that everyone really does need a third shot, a boost if you have the two shots of an mrna. the data on that -- neil: antibodies -- [inaudible] as long as you thought and all of a sudden now that's the question? that applies to a lot of the vulnerable, for example, like myself. so i'm wondering then how that changes what you recommend. obviously, different, you know, pieces of advice for some patients versus others, but how do you, when people seek your medical advice on this, what do you tell them? >> well, what i tell them is that everybody, whether you have an underlying condition or not, whatever your age, if you're eligible to get vaccinated for that third boost, get that third boost, for sure.

the real question then is what about a fourth dose? who needs a fourth dose? and, you know, the fda and the cdc have gone along with this, they've now made eligible for that fourth dose people who are 50 years old or older and marley people who are -- particularly people who are 65 and older and definitely people who might have underlying conditions that make them more likely to get a severe outcome. so as a physician, if i'm in an office or in my clip aric at the n hirks -- clinic at the nih h and someone comes in who's 52 years old, 53 years old and might have hypertension or diabetes, i unequivocally recommend they get that fourth dose, without a doubt. neil: so, doctor, in china you know the cases are still spiking for i believe it's b.a..2 subvariant you referred to. it's enough to keep shanghai all but shut down. some people have been allowed out of their homes but most not.

and i'm just wondering their response to the spike in cases there which, indeed, is a spike, but a fraction of what it was at the height. do you fear some get overreactive and that a lockdowns like that are overdoing it? >> well, no doubt, neil. i mean, that is, i believe, counterproductive. if you are going to shut down, you shut down for the reason of giving you the ton to -- the opportunity to do things like vaccinating your population to protect them. you cannot shut down indefinitely from the virus. the virus will ultimately infiltrate society. and what the chinese have done which i think is not a good public health practice is that they have not fully vaccinated their people. and the vaccine that they use is not a particularly effective vaccine. and they have a lot of vulnerable people, particularly the elderly who have not been vaccinated. so to just shut down and think you're going to escape the virus

without doing the important things to allow society to open up again, mainly vaccinating people, making therapies available for the people who get infected, that's the only reason to do a temporary shutdown. but to think that you're going to shut down and keep the virus out indefinitely is rah really something that is just not feasible. neil: so your thoughts on, and mayor eric adams on new york seems to be intimating the mandate for city workers will remain in effect, he is not going to take that back. what do you think of that? >> you know, neil, as i've always said, you leave those local decisions to the local authorities. when there are broad, general public health principles that are applicable universally, but things are different on the ground at different locations, and that's why i and many of my colleagues have always been in favor of creating and

articulating broad public health principles but leaving the ultimate decision to the locals because each lower callty, be it new york or texas or any other place, florida, seattle, san francisco, their all -- they're all different. they have differences that, i think, need to be taken into consideration and the local authorities make those decisions. neil: doctor, finally if i could get you to weigh in on politics, i know you's chew this topic, but steve moore was just on our show saying he had dinner with the president a couple of nights ago, and he's fully convinced the president is going to run again. he's polling well against joe biden, up by a couple of points to as much as eight points. if he were to become prime minister again, would you stay -- president again, would you stay in your current capacity or want to?

>> you know, neil, my staying or not in my current capacity has absolutely nothing to do with who the president of the united states is. i'm a scientist. i'm a public health official, and i run an institute that has a major role in the development of countermeasures and doing the science against these types of emerging infections. that has never been dependent on who was in office in the presidency or who controlled the congress. neil: but it's fair to say, it's fair to say, doctor, it was a bit of a fractious -- you were the public face of this, obviously. and you had been in prior administrations as well. it would seem unlikely that you would be in a new trump administration, or am i overstating? >> i think you're overstating because my position is not a political position. and decisions that i make about my job as a public health

official and a scientist, believe me, you have to believe me, neil, it has nothing to do with politics and who's in office and who's not in office. and any decisions about what i do will be completely independent of that, i promise you. neil: so is just to be clear on this, you've worked with president biden, you've worked with president trump, you've worked with many presidents but, obviously, prominently these two. do you have a preference who you work with -- [laughter] who makes your job easier or helpful, who's more conducive to the kinds of things you talk about? >> you know -- [laughter] again, neil, i think you said it in the beginning of your question. i stay out of politics, and you're asking me a completely political question, and i'm not going to answer that. [laughter] neil: okay. so you have president trump in a boat, president biden many -- i'm kidding. dr. anthony fauci, very, very good seeing you again. thank you very, very much. >> yeah. thank you, neil. it's always good to be with you.

neil: dr. anthony a few chi. all right, a couple of other developments we are following here including, you know, these emergency crews that are being called to help with some fires going out, affecting some 21,000 acres in arizona. max gorden is in flagstaff with more on that. >> reporter: hey, good morning from northern arizona, neil. all week long firefighters have been battling these high winds. you can actually hear them in my microphone. these winds have been fueling the flames. it's been their biggest challenge. even though yesterday we had some rain and a little bit of snow in some places, fire firefighters are back battling these dry conditions. the tunnel fire was first reported sunday afternoon, it appears under control, but by tuesday wind fanned the flames, and the fire began ripping through the arizona high country. it's now day seven, there are 371 firefighters on scene including 30 engines, 9

20-person hand crew, bulldozers and several aircrafts. 30 homes have burned up down from the tunnel fire, hundreds of homes remain evacuated and a portion of highway 89 is still closes down. i spoke to one homeowner whose house is in the evacuation zone, but he's chosen to stay with his family. they're currently staying but their car is packed and they're realize to go. >> -- ready to go. >> the past few days have just been kind of a nightmare many a way, you know in all of these people are losing their homes, and, you know, it's very sad to see and, hopefully, we just pray every day that it doesn't come to us. >> reporter: this week arizona governor doug ducey declared a a state of emergency for the county to unlock additional fire fighting resources and more help for evacuees. they should be able to return to their homes by sunday, but a lot of that goes down to thewet. firefighters are hoping if they can make it through the weekend, they'll be in a good place for

containment. neil, back to you. neil: all right. max gorden on fox weather, flagstaff, arizona, we'll keep you upday-to-day on the severity of those fires. meanwhile, the heat of the political variety that is building in florida right now as governor desantis targets walt disney and the disney world complex, if you will, disney in general. take a listen. >> that partnership that developed early on with walt disney, i don't think walt would appreciate what's going on in his company right now. >> [inaudible] we're not going to let them take over state. [applause] neil: all right some of the protections that disney enjoyed, they date back to walt disney when he was scouting around acreage in what was then florida swampland, having sort of his own kingdom for his kingdom. they had their own police force, fire force, you name it. that all goes away if this comes

to pass, and i think it takes place or is scheduled to happen by next year at this time. ashley moody is the florida attorney general. general, very good to have you. thanks for coming. >> great to be with you, neil. neil: what do you think the fallout will be from this, because some who support your efforts, general, and the governor's efforts fear it's going to mean higher taxes for them, particularly in the counties affected here that include the magic kingdom. what do you think? >> well, look, this special district was with, you know, set up specifically for this private company. and i think that's the area that will ultimately be affected. but, you know, this is, this is a company who was brought in and a special district was set up because they felt it was in the best interests of the state to do that, and it had not been reviewed or reevaluated. and now you have a situation where florida lawmakers were trying to give parents the ability to control, you know with, sexual information that was taught in a classroom for children as young as 4 which, by

the way, a majority of republicans and democrats alike support that. and you had this company come out that has been given so much autonomy and control within the state, come out and specifically in a very fraudulent, false way start to public smear campaign against lawyers. i mean, when they gave -- when the ceo issued the public statement, the public statement itself was inaccurate and wrong. neil: but -- [inaudible] i understand all your concerns on how this law has been misinterpreted. i get that. but that this is going after them with a sledgehammer here and under 50 plus years of republican and democrat governors, no one has threatened or taken action like this. they were all fine with the special exemption disney enjoyed because it benefited disney, it benefited florida and that this is going too far -- >> well, this is a very unique situation -- neil: just because -- >> this is a unique situation where you had a private company that was set up like its own

city coming out and making a statement and basically smearing florida lawmakers. and, by the way, the media allowed that false narrative to be exacerbate by having guests on and hosts start calling florida lawmakers bullies, communists, comparing them to russians that rape children. it is incredible how -- neil: so, general, if the company -- i understand what you're saying, but if the company then says, all right, forget what we said on this law, we'll live with it, will this exemption that they enjoyed be reinstated or come next year it won't be? >> well, the special ticket that involved disney -- district was the only one related to a private company. the others that are being reviewed are all governmental special districts, and they're the ones that need to be reviewed. they're the ones -- neil: you were aware this exemption existed, right? it didn't come to light just

now, right? >> well, florida lawmakers, many of the florida lawmakers, i can tell you, have statement on programs like in that they weren't aware that these special districts had not been reviewed since the 1968 constitutional -- neil: general, do you worry, i understand where you're coming from, but do you fear that a democratic government could come in, he or she is equally adamant about something else a company has done, maybe disney, credit the same thing? could this be a slippery slope? >> we've never seen anything like this. a company that's been given such ability to control a large land mass and come out and fraudulently start making statements about florida lawmakers, about florida law. this has never happened historically. and it's not as though they have said, look, we want to allow our employees and help them go and voice their concerns, we're going to make sure that happens. i mean, they have come out as a company and said we're going to start calling this law something

it's not, pushing out this narrative. look, disney and every media host and every guest on shows like this should have to answer two simples questions; have you actually read the law that gives participants -- neil: okay. i understand what you're saying. thank you, ashley, very -- got it, got it. our hard break is coming. very good talking to you. we'll have more after this. and take out up to $60,000 or more. give them a call. veteran homeowners, newday wants to help you use your va home loan benefit to get more. more cash, more savings, more peace of mind. the newday 100 va loan lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value. neil:... ...

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thunder showers since the national guardsman went into the water and he's presumed to be drown, and the state of texas are in the process of notifying that soldier's family. as you take a look at video from the scene and the latest video as as we know it. they had to call off the search for the soldier's body because of the strong currents in the river and they're hoping to restart that today. 8:30 central time yesterday morning, that soldier jumped into the water here in eagle pass in an effort to save a female migrant struggling as she was crossing. the female ended up surviving, but the soldier never resurfaced, over 24 hours. there were boats searching for the soldier all day long yesterday. they didn't find him. they found his body armor, his cell phone and radio he dropped

before jumping into the water before trying to save her, no sign of that soldier right now. if they do end up finding his body, it will be confirmed he would be the first texas national guard soldier to die in the rio grande as part of operation lonestar. as you can imagine, a lot of reaction from politicians, in regards to this horrible incident. take a look alt the tweet from texas congressman tony gonzalez, this is the represent that he represents in eagle pass area, writes, i'm heartbroken to hear of the death of a texas national guard soldier. our citizen soldiers respond to our toughest challenges as the border crisis. as we see with the death of a national guardsman. and absolute tragic, our law enforcement officials should not be enforces bad policies. praying for loved ones. the military department says they're going to search as long

as they can today and they say they will not stop their search until they find their missing soldier. we'll send it back to you. neil: bill, thank you, update us when you know. in the meantime, the border period, it's much more than a fuss, had not gotten that reaction from most democrats until the last week or two, but it started with democrat henry cuellar, saying 40 such democrats now. when i spoke with henry cuellar, he's grateful at that more in his party are seeing what he's seeing. >> i've certainly talked to folks at the white house and at homeland security and i think the career people, that is the men and women in green and blue, understand what the problem is. they understand what the problem is, but unfortunately, some folks only look at the stakeholders of the activists,

the immigration activists, but i don't think they're paying attention to the men and women in green and blue and they're certainly not listening to the border communities. neil: all right. texas mayor joins us right now. and mayor, what do you think of what congressman cuellar is saying, that many of realizing this in the mid term election year, but i'm sure you can take whatever you can get. >> i'll take whatever i can get. he is so right. this administration doesn't listen to any concerns of any community on this border. they fall on deaf ears when we try to complain or talk to them. it's just sad. neil: so where are we in this? fou now for the first time a national guardsman that might have died attempting to rescue a woman drowning coming across from mexico. we might see more of this sort of stuff? >> it very well could happen. the rio grande, we're coming to

the time we get a lot of rain in the rio grande and it's swelling and the migrants are coming across and the cartels are pushing them across. we could shut this down if we would shut down our border and make them come through the right way. neil: we hear from the administration they're not going to change their mind on title 42 thing and that could change, because they've changed their minds from other issues, but they have a backup plan. now, are you familiar with that plan, familiar with what they might be thinking? do you have a plan of your own if this goes away to tell them they might want to incorporate that into whatever plan they have? >> well, i mean, you know, no county right now along the border, mayors, county judges or anything is privy to anything the border patrol, we recalled it will three or four months ago we would not be given any more information from

the border patrol period and that came from upstairs. neil: when you say upstairs, when you say upstairs, sir, what do you mean? >> either from the head of the dhs, or the white house, one, but we were told they were told not to give us any more information, that we could go to the website and look it up. neil: and we know that mayorkas, i don't know how much freedom he has, but he knows what's going on. >> sure, he knows what's going on. i think he's worried about how many people he can get in this country before it gets shut down. neil: they're not going to build walls, they're not going to change anything about processing, even if it means more of those illegals being processed in washington d.c., they're not big fans of that. and two big things they could do, unless it's part of a new plan, and representing new changes, it doesn't sound, sir, like things are going to change. >> it's not going to change. when title 42 goes away we're

looking on this border right now of seeing anywhere from 10 to 18,000 a day. right now, as its, when we get 5 or 600 people, the southern border is left open because every border patrol agent is pulled into the station toss process these migrants crossing illegally and the cartel can send whatever they want across and in one week's time we stopped 18, 18 human smuggling cases, seven resulted in bailouts in our communities and that's just by the police department, that doesn't include, sheriff's department or the dps. neil: mayor, i'm also curious, your thoughts on these buses, i think more than a dozen that have made their way to washington d.c. where a lot of the migrants are processed. are they being tracked? do you know whether there's a different procedure in washington d.c.? how do we know where they go, how do we know where they stick around? what? >> i don't know and i haven't heard anything. i know that the buses are going

there and i think it's about time that why should texas have all the fun? we should share with other places and take a few to delaware, too, and let them see what we're having to deal with with communities on this border every day. neil: when you see or hear, jen psaki at the white house all, but call this a political game on the part of governor abbott. what do you say? >> i think that she should come to the border and stay with individuals that live along the border and see what they endure every day, the fear not knowing who is coming in their house or could be coming in their house or across the property. >> it's easy to sit up there in washington and say, these poor people and this and that and i do feel sorry for them, i truly do, but the way that they're treating texans and the way they're treating citizens of our own country, we're second rate citizens compared to that. why don't they come down here and see firsthand. when they do come they go with the border patrol chief to a

very secure and protected area. we don't see what we normal people see every day. neil: i believe the only top ranking administration official that did that was kamala harris and she's put in charge of this problem. and do you know if she's done anything else? the president has not gotten to the border, but the vice-president, have you been updated on anything she's been doing since that. >> to my knowledge, she's not done anything, other than being to el paso, she hasn't been back to the border and we certainly in southern texas haven't seen the vice-president at all. neil: and the mayor, front lines, dealing with all of this. in the meantime want to update you on something scary going on in washington d.c., nothing to do with buses and migrants, but everything to do with a shooting just fire on average folks, just walking around washington d.c. alexandria hoff has more on

this incident that's now behind us in washington. what are you learning? >> it is behind us, thankfully. to find the suspect, which police have found him they used a chaotic video posted online of shots being fired. that's not unusual, but this was taken from the shooter's perspective. we have that for you, a warning though, it is disturbing. investigators believe that the shooter himself captured the terror he was raining down on a neighborhood in northwest d.c. yesterday. four people were shot at random, including a 12-year-old girl. all are expected to survive. the suspected shooter is dead. >> we believe that the suspect took his own life as mpd members were entering or breaching the apartment where the suspect was located. >> they identified the shooter to fox 5 as 23-year-old raymond spencer. earlier he was listed as a person of interest because an account appearing to belong to

spencer posted the shooting video to the platform, and investigators have not determined a motive, but said once inside of spencer's apartment, they found a sniper style setup. >> inside of the suspect's apartment, we recovered over six firearms, to include several long guns, multiple, multiple rounds of ammunition, and handguns as well. >> witnesses reported hearing close to 100 shots fired during this incident in nearby apartment buildings evacuated and others were told to shelter in place for hours and spencer did appear to direct at least some attention to a nearby prep school, that was locked down as well. and "the washington post" is reporting that spencer left comments on his posts including that he was waiting on police to catch him and quote, dear god, please forgive me, neil. neil: alexandria, thank you very much in washington, on all of that. in the meantime, we're getting

new vupts what's going down to mariupol, as we feared russian forces we were told would not try to storm that metal, steel plant where 2000 ukrainian soldiers are holed up and a pretty strong number of civilians, maybe hundreds, maybe thousands, in the tunnels under that. and russians are attacking that and another promise broken by vladimir putin. hardly deserves a fox alert, but thought i'd tell you. eyes on the ball baby. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop. what would you like the power to do?

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let's go to lucas tomlinson at the white house to sort of digest all of this information and renewed military activity there. lucas. >> well, neil, after russian forces lost the battle for ukraine's capital they've shifted efforts over to the east at the donbas and president biden hinted that some russian forces could remain in ukraine, forces in the country that before the invasion on february 24th. this is what he said. >> our unity with the ukrainian person is sending unmistakable message to putin. he will never succeed in dominated and occupying all of ukraine, that will not happen. >> he said all of ukraine. the pentagon is sending howitzers to help them in the donbas and kamikaze drones are

headed over. they're launching missiles in lviv and western ukraine and launching strikes in the port city of odessa, ukraine's third largest city. and located at the black sea. the only aim of russian missile strikes is terror. they must be a state sponsor of terrorism and treated accordingly. we need a wall between civilians and bar barons striking peaceful cities with missiles. joel raburn, special envoy for syria, russia's missiles problems are causing this in ukraine. they don't have a logistics bases in ukraine, a country they're invading. they are relying on this like in world war i. russia test launched an

inter-continental missile and the pentagon canceled a similar missile launch in the united states because they thought it would provoke russia, neil. neil: thank you very much, lucas tomlinson at the white house. earlier this week, we had boris johnson, the british prime minister who was visiting ukraine, if you think about it, that's a week ago, forecast that, you know, he thinks it could be possible this thing drags on. what's going on in ukraine, forget about months, he said until at least the end of next year. the end of next year. after this. meet brett from apartment 2b. he's not letting an overdraft alert get him stressed. he knows he's covered with zero overdraft fees when he overdraws his account by fifty bucks or less. overdraft assist from chase. make more of what's yours. men, you need to get off the couch and get with the program. with golo, i lost 50 pounds. it feels really good to be able to button your jacket and not worry about it blowing up. -(laughs) -go to golo.com to lose weight and get healthier.

>> boris johnson, how the british prime minister thinks the war could drag on well into next year, now we're told that he has talked to ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy

talking with new military aid that would include a lot more heavy weapons. when we get more details on this we'll keep you posted. lt. colonel bob mcginnis, what he makes of that, in particular, colonel, this thing dragging on well into next year, through the end of next year, what do you think of that? >> neil, last week i had an article on fox news on that very topic. i think that general milley, and boris johnson are correct, that you know, putin's not going to give up or at least give up until he can have some face-saving outcome so it's likely this will continue, and of course, as you indicated before the break, that they are having serious logistics problems. they're having manpower problems. their tanks are being knocked out by our javelins and now that they're in the east in the donbas area where it's mostly flat, it's an artillery duel. what's happened in mariupol is going to continue and they'll

throw the resources necessary to make sure that they take over the city, they have a, you know, a land access to crimea and of course, the attacks on odesa will continue because they want to get to maldova where they have troops. putin has the support he needs from the oligarchs and the military brass, they're loyalists to him. their future is at stake in this situation. neil: you know, we're getting reports, as well, colonel, and i don't know whether this warrants an alert, that he has shut down, that is vladimir putin, any reports or economic numbers released in russia. in other words, the kind of numbers that we get in this country like, you know, the jobs report, the inflation reports, all of that, russians are not getting that these days and have not for quite a while.

so at least they're oblivious, in that sense, to what's really going on, even though i imagine they can see it on the streets, they see it in empty store shelves and grocery stores, inability to get money out of their bank if they can get to their bank. what do you make of that? >> the old soviet propaganda, they remove the media outlets that would report anything and the only people getting access to the truth are those that are using their vpn to circumvent the walls that are stopping, you know, the outside, like bbc, fox news, others, from getting information in. so, this is very predictable. what we're finding though is that interesting a phenomenon, you know, putin of course has called for self-cleansing, he's called anybody that stands against him a traitor, and of course, as a result, the polling is supportive of him, even the, you know, the russian orthodox church by a large number, much like in the soviet

era, were supported putin's invasion of ukraine. and then meanwhile, our own sanctions have basically driven out those that would create an anti-war movement. so a lot of the professional class from the russian cities have fled the country because they have the money and they're just sitting out the war in western capitals. neil: colonel, while you're here, i did want your reaction as well to this russian, deputy commander, russia's central military district, hinting the kremlin has bigger plans to go way beyond ukraine and maybe what president zelenskyy was saying, when the commander was saying they want to conquer large and wide swaths of neighboring land and potentially threaten nations that lie beyond, even even condemning maldova, that the

residents are worried the war will next reach them. if true, this is taking the veil off the whole this is bigger than ukraine thing. >> a week ago, dimitri medvedev, the former president said something about sweden coming into n.a.t.o. and the baltics as well. everybody is reacting to propaganda for the most part, but they've seen what's happened in ukraine and failed to read what putin's true intentions are. i don't think there's any question, his true intentions are the expansion of his western wall. he would like to keep those countries neutral in the north. he'd like to take back some of the n.a.t.o.-controlled countries, the baltics, all the way down to include poland if he could. i don't think he will at this point. but certainly, all of ukraine. even his chechen advisors there

in the kremlin are encouraging him not to stop. even if they reach a steel wall in the donbas, he needs to push to take all of ukraine. so there are a lot of advisors on both sides that are giving him conflicting results. i think ultimately putin is going to make a decision and that decision could last a long time, as prime minister johnson and general milley have indicated. neil: just incredible. we've got a whole new mindset to your point if we're thinking in terms of a year or more. colonel bob macginnis, good to see you and thank you for your service to this country. we're going to focus on elon musk, the world's richest man eager to buy twitter and he's even getting financing, it's available to them. they have the money, but they would prefer other's money to

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>> all right, you already know by now that the world's richest man wants to take over twitter, but he's weighing in on other social media players to say nothing of streaming giants which, by the way, did not have a great week. i'll get into that in a second. and susan lee, exploring why

he's going after these guys for being woke for their own good. >> and netflix losing subscribers for the first time in 11 years, given the streamers and entertainers reality check, meaning the last three to five years, all-out spending war where the streamers have been putting up 15 to $18 billion a year in content and on this mantra, if you build it they will come. i think there's been a reckoning, yes, the saturation on the u.s. market and how many streamers they're willing to pay for, $15 a months for the most popular plan on netflix. will you continue to get some producers getting the 300 $400 million deals? i think there's a rethink where the consumer is, especially in high inflationary times. neil: for people who are keeping up with all of the streaming services, the idea was when we were cutting the cord and we didn't want cable, didn't want satellite and save

more for the services, it was fine if you got one or two, the average american is five and now it's rivalling the cost of that old cable service or whatever cable you had. and now, i'm beginning this think that's going on here. and it might not be a woke issue, it might be people going broke issue. >> that's a good point because i think that's a tweet that emon musk put out today or this week, on those disappointing netflix earning, too much woke content. if you're paying $200 a month for your cable package and includes broad band and streaming. some of the live packages, hulu live and that costs and three to four streamers for most american households, on top of that, more than $100 a month and we had ned netflix, and if

you're paying out more and having to shell out more to keep five streamers. how many do you need in the end it's about the hit content and the quality of shows that you're willing to pay for. neil: i'm beginning to wonder, with the shutdown of cnn plus after barely a month, part of it was not the elimination of special cnn content, but to aggregate it with some of the company's other offerings. >> right. neil: one umbrella h.b.o. and maybe as a consumer saving there. what is your sense of what is next here, what that could telegraph? >> yeah, well, we know that warner brothers, discovery, the new ceo wants to cut three billion in costs and they're spending roughly eight billion a year on the content less than h.b.o. and h.b.o. max, 18 billion and that's put now under the umbrella of warner brothers discovery. so we'll see if that budget

holds by the way. $18 billion pretty much in line with what netflix spends in content at 17 billion. you heard the executive at warner brothers discovery, why they got rid of cnn plus, april 30th. from their experience in running discovery and having these niche streamers, whether it's golf or cooking shows, it doesn't work on its own, because it doesn't scale, first of all, and you build a niche audience and don't really make that much money. so they've said over and over again you want to house the streamers under one aggregate service and first of all, less friction, you don't have to go in and out of apps and that's where the eyeballs are. neil: i wonder with the streaming service, if they all to a company start cutting back how much they pay for programming, even the case of spotify not renewing a deal they had with the obamas. it wasn't so much the obamas quitting spotify, it was spotify quitting them, but

they're obviously looking at the pennies more and that could also boomerang if the services don't offer as much and it could be self-defeating. that's the balance. aishah: what do they get in return? for spotify not to renew the obamas, tens of millions of dollars and they wanted a wide distribution, they didn't want to appear in more episodes than, say, eight and the rethink where the consumer is. what are you getting for the price you're paying. harry and meghan have a netflix and spotify deal as well. if you're trying to house the talent and pay them, we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars in some producer cases, you have to think about, first of all, what type of audience that they're attracting, if they're getting the viewership for the cost that you're spending. neil: i know you're working very hard, but i know from your back drop, you're also working hard in miami and it looks beautiful there.

>> yes. neil: so i should say thank you. >> tough job. neil: and leave it at that. susan, you're the best. susan li toiling away in miami. another one toiling away is kelly o'grady, following the drama at twitter and elon musk and ranting and ravings-- i won't call it ranting and raving. but he shamelessly weighed in on this controversy. >> elon musk now has the money to buy twitter. in a sec filing this week, the billionaire has a total of $46 1/2 billion to fund the takeover. he's putting up $21 billion himself. the remaining will be by a group of banks, 12 1/2 pegged to tesla shares, which got a convenient bump on earnings. and twitter has no indication when they'll respond. now that musk has more than $43 billion he needs for the original offer, it puts

pressure on twitter and wondering if elon is allowing himself cushion to increase the bid. musk confirmed he's exploring a hostile tender offer and with cryptic tweets like this one last night. twitter rejects his proposal. a hostile tender allows him to bypass the board and go directly to shareholders. $5 below the current offer yesterday. the board is going to need to prove that twitter is worth more than a quick buck. all this is happening as the board faces challenges from capitol hill. yesterday accusing twitter of attacking free speech and the handling over musk's bid. they demanded the board preserve all records of the meetings. the criticism is shared by elon, admitting it's about protecting the town square. section 230 to data privacy, for now the ball is in

twitter's court even though musk shared thoughts on twitter and bill gates if you saw that. neil: the bill gates stuff. was there a time when bill gates was shorting tesla stock? is that where this starts? >> that's what this is about. bill gates has a $500 million short on tesla and inquired if elon wanted to work on some climate pieces together and elon said i can't take you seriously when you're shorting the stock on a company that's doing the most to fix climate change. neil: i'm sure that gates is out of the money right now once that short started. even though the stock is not near the rate that bill gates was hoping. what he would do if he took over twitter, he's already questioned the content of twitter, whether it's fair and balanced. he strikes me always as libertarian rather than black and white on issues. is he hinting on what he would

do if he took it over? >> he spoke last week on the ted conference and the algorithm and open storage, because he feels there's had a lack of transparency and that people should have more clarity why a tweet is promoted and why a tweet is suppressed. and he had this interesting response in response to a question of okay, well, where do you draw the line? some tweets are violence inducing. he said when in doubt, keep it up. it's really about free speech and a lot more transparency and of course had many other colorful thing, turning twitter headquarters into a homeless shelter. i think that might be more inflammatory, like you said, his rants. i think it's about preserving free speech for preserving democracy. neil: and he was surprised so few board members were owners of the stock in the company. if you don't own the stock

yourself, might have a point there. jack dorsey owns 2.2%, but he's leaving the board come the end of may. the rest of them altogether own about .1% when you add it all up. and so his point is, okay, you know, the board is going to decide here on his bid that's put in place a poison pill plan, which for those that don't know, it's basically like in the old spy movies, they put the cyanide in your juice, but haven't crunched it yet. and he thinks that they're not focusing on what's best for shareholders because unlike him, he owns 9% of the company right now, they're not invested and so that's why he's been teasing this idea of a hostile tender, that he would go to the shareholders and say i'm going to buy your stock. here is how much i'm going to pay you and this is what you can make. of course, twitter so stock has been on a downward spiral until elon got into the whole bidding piece. so, yeah, i think he might have

a point, but we'll have to see how the twitter board responds which hopefully nell soon. they're reporting earnings next thursday. neil: i love the cyanide pill reference. that's a beautiful way to explain it. kelly, thank you very much. [laughter] >> you're way too young to remember mission impossible. and strikes me-- >> oh, no, i love mission impossible. neil: you probably caught the reruns. thank you for the update. this dramatic goes on, folks. meanwhile, talladega is on and auto racing is on and nascar, if you had any doubt at all, is on and bigger than ever. after this. you're probably thinking that these two are in some sort of lover's quarrel. no, no, no. they're both invested... in green energy. and also each other. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop. what would you like the power to do? at booking.com, finding perfect isn't rocket science. kitchen? sorted. hot tub, why not?

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>> all right, nascar is back, as if it ever went away, still the biggest draw this sports. collaterals watson how they're getting ready in talladega for the big one. >> hey, good morning, neil. they've got the qualifying round happening behind me.

look, in a little more than 24 hours, the grandstand behind me on the grounds at talladega super speedway will be packed with a little more than 100,000 fans with their eyes set on nascar's geico 500. the track is little more than 175,000 people so we won't be quite at full capacity, but that's not stopping the fun for fans already here. rv's are loaded with grills, american flags and excited fans who have been here partying for days. one thing everyone will have on their eyes, will have their eyes on, rather, nascar's new next gen car. this season is the debut for the car and so far, it's performing really well. the body of the car is fully symmetrical with experts saying it reduces the aerodynamic force and puts the emphasis on the race car setup and driver controlled. that's one of the new features

and steve o'donnell, the chief operating officer for nascar says there's still room for improvement. he said this after martinsville. certainly some areas to look at the tires, shifting, we'll look at the car, the tires and put together a package we think could be improvement when we get back in the fall. he says his team was watching how the cold weather up in virginia affected the tire wear on the new car. that's not anything they'll have to worry about this weekend, certainly not today, neil, as it's sunny and is expected to be good weather for the big race tomorrow. the geico 500 set to start on sunday at 2:00. that's a question for you, neil, where is it going to be starting. neil: right where you are in alabama, right? >> that's right. that's right. you've got it right. i thought i'd put a quiz there for you, neil. neil: good thing you did. but it did help that we had a locator right above your name.

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i want to get you back to the border where we're trying to find out what's happened to that national guardsman who disappeared after trying to save a migrant who was drowning. >> good afternoon to you, the latest we have the search is still underway. however, it is now more of a recovery operation because the soldier has been missing more than 24 hours. he first went into water around 8:30 a.m. central time yesterday. and he has not been seen since. the state of texas says they had to suspend their search operations last night because the river's currents were too strong. they have restarted those operations today, but again, hopes that the soldier would be found alive quickly faded as the soldier has been in the water and hasn't been seen over 24 hours now. he first went in yesterday morning in an effort to save a

female migrant struggling in the water. she's okay and is now in border patrol custody, but unfortunately looked like the soldier never survived, he never resurfaced. they found his body armor, cell phone, walkie-talkie dropped at the edge of the river when he went in. he has not been seen. the state of texas is in the process of notifying that soldier's family and worked as a presumed drowning as they continue to look for that soldier's body. i can tell you, neil, the currents in the river extremely dangerous. just this week we saw several bodies pulled from the river on the mexico side, several migrants drown. the currents can be stronger than they look from the outside, send it back to you. neil: bill, i'm curious, with the imminent removal of title 42 next month. i think there are 7,000 plus or so that cross the border every day. what is your sense, that goes

into effect a month from now where those numbers might be? >> well, yeah, i mean, right now border patrol is already completely overwhelmed. we've seen all of these videos of the mass releases taking place really all over the border and that's just with a average of about 7,000 migrants crossing illegally every single day. when you look at dhs projections, they are satisfy saying they could see upwards of 18,000 every single day once title 42 drops. you do the math, a doubling, nearly a trippling, and the agents say that could be a ka tros-- catastrophe for those patrol. there will be no one on the

patrol. and we talked to migrants waiting for title 42. >> and they told openly, we're waiting for may 23rd and then plan to cross illegally and that's why dhs is predicting this, a lot who have been expelled because of 42, and they know if they can get to the u.s. they will not be immediately sent back to mexico, they'll have to be processed via title 8 instead and likely many of them likely released into the u.s. neil: that's incredible, as has been your reporting, bill. we're getting more news out of ukraine where russian forces are apparently breaking their word on attack the mariupol steel plant with 2000 soldiers, potentially hundreds, maybe thousands of civilians in the tunnels under the facility.

something that vladimir putin has said wouldn't happen. and i think that what do you think about the reports that what vladimir putin said wouldn't happen is happening? >> it's really difficult to keep in mind all of these events in ukraine because like when you are in ukraine, you should understand that you're under constant threat. and it does not depend who you are. a military guy, a mother with two children like myself, a baby or whoever, today russians have hit yet another city, odesa, which they didn't attack too much. a city in the south of ukraine, a city of over a million inhabitants.

they've hit at odesa, few luckily were hit by the air defense, but there was a rocket that hit a residential building. five people died, among them there was a baby, three-month-old baby and this kind of horror continues. so we don't believe putin. i think it's clear, we don't believe his lies and propaganda, but it's very important that the world have the same, not to believe putin. the only way to actually stop this war is to keep out russian army out of ukraine and there is, unfortunately only one way out, only one way to do that and it's to provide ukraine with even more heavy weapons. we see that russians don't really want to continue

negotiations, they don't want to continue searching for a diplomatic way out, but they continue killing our people and ruining our cities. and given the fact that they use very dangerous missiles, that they can hit from far away, pretty much any ukrainian city and we're talking about quite a big country, a country of 42 million people, all of these people are under constant threat. russians can hit from black sea, from russian territory, from any city. to finally finish this horrible war, this nightmare, ukraine should be provided with even more military aid. we received a lot of military aid from the u.s. lately, mainly it's artillery and ammunition for that, but we definitely need more tanks and jets to liberate the cities

which are under temporary occupation of russian army, and to finally free our land, to stop this war in the heart of europe. neil: all right. time is of the essence to your point. thank you very much, halyna yachenko. i want to bring you up to speed on some of this before i hand it over to my friends. we've got the word that president zelenskyy is going to be meeting with reporters in the next hour or so, responding to questions of the multiple attack lines across the country and separately he's spoken to boris johnson and the prime minister says the new military aid including from britain will include some heavy weapons, we of course has included that in

another $800 million tranche of military aid as well. there's growing concern this might be coming too late and the british prime minister outlining that it could drag on, if he's right the end of next year. that will do it for us, fox continues. >> take us away from here. we want to see peaceful skies. we want to breathe in fresh air. you have simply no idea what it means for us to simply eat, drink some sweetened tea, for us it's already happening. griff: ukraine's national guard releasing video it says is from inside the steel plant in the