will: do we have the picture from earlier? pete: will was holding me back the whole time. >> rachel, you did good. rachel: thank you. i lost my horks, i lost my horse. bye, everybody! pete: see you tomorrow. ♪ ♪ neil: by the way, that is a very energetic group. if they had me doing that, i just don't have the physical energy to do it. man, oh, man. welcome, everybody, about half country it's a rainy start to this mother's day weekend and, of course, the kentucky derby later on. we've got a lot of horse races to cover simultaneously for you. see what i did there? basic cable, work with me. a couple things we're trying to get a handle on and maybe you folks can help me out because a

lot of you are tweeting and e-mailing on the economy that looks pretty good right now, jobs growth, pretty strong, wage growth the best we've seen in decades. the problem, though, is that the cost of things are compete exceeding that wage growth. you're making more money, but you're paying more at the grocery store, the gas station, you name it. and apparently, you're angry. 7 out of 10 americans don't like what's going if on, and they don't like the direction. lucas tomlinson at the white house handling all of this. >> reporter: neil, we can bring the high energy as well in this hour. a roller coaster week on wall street. wednesday the dow up 1,000 points, just to see those gains evaporate a day later. and like you said, despite a great jobs report number, president biden acknowledged the economic challenges facing the country including record-setting inflation, the highest in four decades. >> i know you're worried about price of gas, food and other necessities. and why it matters if we make more things here in america.

well, it matters a great deal because the pandemic and the economic crisis we inherited -- >> reporter: nonfarm payrolls grew above expectations, unemployment holding steady after being expected to lower to 3.5%. leisure and hospitality leading the way, no tout tout the easing the restrictions and face masks coming off. with inflation at 8.5%, hose wages lagged on inflation meaning americans continue to lose money. the do dn can c and rnc sounding off on the new economic today a that. quote: while republicans rally around an ultra-maga agenda to raise taxes on the american people, end the social security and medicare guarantees and vote against capping insulin prices, democrats are fighting to lower costs for hard working families across the cup. and here the republican rebuke. the latest jobs report doesn't change anything for families

suffering under biden's failing economic agenda that has resulted in sky-high inflation, soaring prices and a threat of recession. recently the founder of fedex told bret baier that president obama told him back in the day that his polling numbers tracked almost perfectly with the price of gasoline. meehl? neil: okay. that does seem to be a problem though, especially as the price of that gasoline keep going up week after week. as you reported, lucas, it's not dipping anymore. lucas tomlinson is at the white house on all of that. you might think given all of these inflationary pressures americans are retrenching, and by and large, you'd be right about that except when it comes to taking a vacation, just having some fun. kelly to grade o'grady on that in las vegas. >> reporter: hey, neil. i'm proof. i'm here in vegas for a weekend getaway. the casinos are bulges, the convention center has more

events on the books than they did in 2019. it's 7 a.m. here at the airport, and it is about to be packed. airline bookings are soaring across the nation. delta saw its best sales on record in march, and american airlines expects business travel revenue to be 90% of pre-pandemic levels by the time the summer rolls around. and that trend is continuing when9 it comes to lodging. airbnb seeing $1.5 billion in revenue last quarter. sure, some of it's due to inflation, but they also saw a record 100 million bookings. here's the company's ceo this week on fox business predicting even more demand. >> last summer was probably biggest travel rebound since world war ii. and this year will probably be bigger than last year because last year it was a little tentative. not everyone could cross every border, and you had delta strip. so we're really optimistic about this summer. >> reporter: that trend is driven by two things, neil. people are restless after the pandemic, and they're willing to

pony if up. 86% expect to spend more or the same on travel. anecdotally, i've seen bachelorette parties, families, they're just willing to spend to see each other again. the travel industry is benefiting from this new nomadic lifestyle with companies allowing remote work, airbnb saying long-term stays its fastest growing segment compared to 2019. this week over 260 travel companies calling on the biden administration to lift that testing requirement for vaccinated international passengers, but overall you couple pent-up demand and that expanded reason to travel, and people are spending -- including myself this weekend in vegas. neil? neil: no gambling, young lady. thank you very much, kelly. >> reporter: what happens in vegas stays in vegas. neil: yeah, i've heard that. in the meantime, despite wanting to take a rip and have some fun, americans are balancing this out and the high pricing pressures not helping.

take a look. >> every time i go to the growsly store, everything is higher in cost -- grocery store. >> rent has gone up. gasoline prices have gone up. >> everything's just more expensive. and my pay hasn't gone up. >> your wage isn't going up. with grocery stores, you've got to be able to make more money. >> if they're reducing the inflation, how can things are getting more expensive? neil: that's the curse of where we stand right now. a still relatively strong economy, 12 straight months of more than 400,000 americans finding jobs each and every month, but offsetting that and the higher wages, the fact that these costs are out of control, so it's absorbing every pepmy and then some of what heir -- penny and then some of where they're making. gary kaltbaum, scott martin, kelly mcgee. kelly, how this is reverberating because most americans, if they have their druthers and if they

can, want to take a trip and want to have some fun, but they're limited and they know that, so they're taking it from something else. i hope not good, but they are taking it from if somewhere else. and that's a problem. where do you see it going in. >> absolutely. and keep in mind that americans do have quite a bit saved up from the past couple of years from covid. so they came into this with more in their savings than moral, but now inflation really is eating away at those things when the cost of everyday goods like groceries and gas is eating away at their paychecks. and like a lot of those people were saying, heir not getting raises to also match those increasing prices. neil: the other thing, and we've gotten into it, gentlemen, scott and gary follow markets closely. scott, investors don't know what to to make of it. we do know we've seen fife, six weeks -- five, six weeks of consistent losses in the dow and the s&p. in the case of of the s&p, you have to go back a decade to see

a losing streak like that. i'm just wondering what the markets are telling us. scott, what do you think? >> something's afoot, neil, and i think they're telling us heir in the shoot first, ask questions later motif which is advantageous for long-term investors and you're going to pick off some lower prices here, but your point is well taken. things we have been investing in this year with, utilities and energy, that's stuff you and caylee were just talking about and going up at rocket ship prices. the other hinge a's upsetting to me as an everyday american is the folks that i guess are snowed in charge -- supposed if in charge, the federal reserve, the administration don't even know how much things cost or how many things are going up in price. this is a famous conversation that president biden had months ago where he didn't even know how much a pound of beef cost unless he heard that from his wife's friend. hay need to get a grip on what they're dealing with and what's going on outside our doors if they are going to improve the situation for the rest of the year. neil: we coknow, gary, right now

that whatever headlines we're getting on the markets, they're masking the severity of the downdraft here, the selling that's going on. and you say that's significant in and of itself. could you explain? >> well, the market indices reare made up of a lot of things. i've been saying now for a year that the indices have been held up by a select few names while i've given you the numbers, neil, in the nasdaq. 22% of them, the stocks are down 75%. 50% of hem down 50%. and you asked the question why, and it's pretty simple; markets and the economy have lived off of the easiest monetary policy in the history of time with 0% rates and trillions of dollars both here and around the globe. and now everything, the cost of everything is going up. the cost of capital is going up, the cost of anything you buy is going up. and as fred smith said, poll

numbers of politicians are moving around just based on gas prices. and due to the fact the market and the economy is so used to the low side, it cannot take the high side. and may i state for the record the persistent move in oil prices to the upside, the persistent move in interest rates to the upside has just been nothing but a big, gigantic tornado against markets and against corporate profits which i expect to come down markedly in the next quarter or two just because of what you're seeing now. neil: you know, kaylee, when you look at it, most relate to not so much how stocks are doing, but how the real estate market is doing. for those who don't even own a whole but want to or those maybe looking to refinance the one they're in, these are not the best of times. rates are going up. a 30-year fixed rate mortgage has essentially doubled in the past year.

still very low, 5.25%. i think when my wife and i got our first mortgage, that's what we were paying per day. exaggerating a little, but that is jarring to people, and that's a real downer for to folks who wanted to get in on this real estate grave gravy train that might not be moving as a fast. what do you think? >> absolutely. and as someone who's been looking now for a few months, it's a pretty hopeless situation, i gotta say. and it really does feel, it feels like something has to give eventually. and if you talk to a lot of the people who are either house searching right now or what not, they also -- there's this palpable sense that something is going to give, and now we have predictions of another recession coming. so people are really worried about what's going to happen over next few months. and like we were saying earlier, the biden administration's refusal to address these problems and get real with the american people is also really concerning. neil: you know, scott, i always feel covering wall street, maybe

40 years, that the pendulum swings wildly. not too long ago it was bullish and you couldn't make a mistake, it was shooting fish in a barrelful those easy days are gone, but are they as awful as some fear we're getting right now? in other words, where's the proper balance in looking at market? what do you tell particularly, scott, young investors? >> young investors like myself, you mean. and yourself, i guess -- neil: long term to me is lunch tomorrow. [laughter] >> that taco bell on friday and spent $20 and wasn't even full. talk about inflation. neil, the problems out there are vast. they are big, but they feel worse, they feel bad because, to gary's point -- and i used to scream at the tv when you said this over the past couple years -- things were easy and really cash good for a really long time, and so it feels worse maybe now than it should because of the fact that things are were

so easy. i say we'll get used to this, we'll get through this. we'll get some midterm elections that will, hopefully, maybe go to the other side. we'll get some good policy in there, the fed will catch up. but we'll have to get through the next 6-12 months of some malaise. neil: so, gary, what do you think of that? >> look, i just think we're in a bear market. i think the economy is in a major slowdown. i believe there's a very good chance -- people are talking about a recession for '23, i think we may be there now. and, again, i can't say this loud enough. you had an economy and the american consumer used to such low rates, such easy monetary policy, the ability to borrow. one little number, mortgagings. a quarter million dollar mortgage right now, that used to be about $1,050, it is now almost $1,400. you add the fact that the

affordability problem, that's a one-two punch just in housing. if housing starts to come down, that's another problem. and the two words, wealth effect, that's a problem too. people looking at their 401(k)s now and are shivering. so you're in what i think is one of these vicious cycles, and i'm hoping it's short lived, but right now we're in the midst of it, and i expect more pain before things get better, unfortunately. neil: thank you for putting everyone in just the right mood, gary. america, are have a good day. guys, seriously, thank you all very much. you got the view of where things stand. by the way, one tiny bright spot is used car prices are down about 3%. year-over-year they're still up about 40%, but i thinking where i can. i thinking where i can. i have a feeling half a world away here in ukraine you're worried about more urgent matters, life and death matters. and if you're in or around the mariupol area, you're just hoping to get out alive.

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so you get more out of it. neil: all right, it's certainly been a crazy, a very dangerous week in ukraine. a lot of folks are biting their nails about what could happen on monday, victory day in russia celebrating, of course, the then-soviet union's victory over the nasties. back then -- nazis. back then that was a game-changing event. how vladimir putin recognizes that day is a very big worry in ukraine, as you can imagine. greg palkot now with the late in kyiv. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, ukraine is bracing for what could be a crucial weekend in this 10-week-long war right now. looks like a fight to the finish at that mariupol steel mill, the last holdout,0 2 ukrainian soldiers in the city. russians want to finish them off by russia's victory day celebration monday which, as you

noted, monday, marked the defeat of nazi germany in world war ii. and there's sill some hope to get the civilians out as well. russia from the if east down to the south, conquering the whole region is the stated aim of moscow. in fact, a floater kharkiv, down to odesa, ukraine counterattacks as well. more strikes are feared, yes, through monday. alert is heightened across country. over in moscow, more rehearsals for a huge mill air parade which will be staged on -- military parade. aside from flexing muscles and maybe declaring some kind of victory, it is thought that vladimir putin might actually declare what he's doing in ukraine as a full-fledged war which would give him access to even more troops. and finally, over in romaining ya and slovakia this weekend first lady dr. jill biden meeting with u.s. troops, public officials and refugees. nearly 6 million ukrainians have

fled the country so far. her husband, the president, will meet virtually with ukrainian president zelenskyy tomorrow and other g7 leaders, that is a show of solidarity in what the west recognizes as victory in europe day. and, neil, on monday president biden will resign that lend-lease act which will allow even more weapons to flow to ukraine. first used, yes, many world war ii. everything old is new again. back to you with. neil: greg, real quickly, in mariupol how are the russians are monitoring those who are getting out of the steel facility who are the soldiers and who are the civilians? how are they policing that? >> reporter: that's a good question. ukrainian soldiers there, militia members really, are trying to push the civilians farmed. they want them to -- forward. they want them to go out first, and that's how it's being differentiated. they say they will fight to the finish. we just heard today from president zelenskyy saying perhaps there might be a

diplomatic way to end this, but it can be nasty, and the ukrainians, as i i say, could go right down with this whole thing. it's feared it will fall at some point but not for lack of bravery by the soldiers. neil: and what is left of it, to your point. greg, thank you very much, my friend, be safe. greg palkot in kyiv. we've been telling you about victory day being celebrate on monday in russia and and how you handle that. you think about it, the nearly 20 million russian soldiers who died at the time, highest casualty list of all the players in world war ii. and yet that was the beginning and the making of a superpower back in 1945. it started there, but it could work both ways for vladimir putin. at hot of people remembering that day might be looking at what the hell is going on this day. after this. he's finding some investment ideas with merrill.

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♪ ♪ neil: welcome back, everybody. we are monitoring the whereabouts of jill biden, the first lady, she's been meeting with a number of ukrainian refugees. not exclusively though, but also taking in slovakia as well a. a lot of leaders from neighboring countries have already gone into ukraine themselves. and, again, shown their support for president zelenskyy. the first lady doing the same right now as she meets with those directly impacted. it could be a long war, and it could be agitated depending on how you see things sorting out after victory day in russia, heralding the then-soviet union's victory over the nazis

in 1945. general jack keane joining us now. significant cay for russians -- day for russians, general. i'm wondering, if you're vladimir putin, do you leverage it? do you remind folks about it? >> oh, yeah, there's no doubt about it, and i think he's going to try to attempt to claim some victories here also as it pertains to ukraine. i think what's particularly significant is his number one top general many his military who's been with him for years and was in charge during the initial incursion into ukraine and also into syria and is highly respected in the russian military was down at the tactical level last weekend. so i think he has a sense, one would think, of what the limitations are that the russian military has and the advantages that are being displayed right in front of their eyes that the ukrainians have at the moment. i will provide an editorial comment here.

one of the many systemic problems the russian military has, neil, is that the generals are inespecially when it comes to campaign -- inept when it comes to campaign planning. they have put together another campaign plan for the donbas which is as bad as the first one and marley more aggravating because they had so many advantages; terrain that they're familiar with, supply chains closer to russia, a much smaller area with a larger force presence. but many of the same problems because they put together a plan that was attacking on four axes. no reason to do that again, but they did it. so here's what i think is facing putin, which is at the heart of the 9, may, celebrations. he would likely celebrate some victory by politicizing and making some decisions that the curse on -- translate that to, like, a province is now an independent republic much as the luhansk and donetsk have been.

you could certainly reaffirm that. he would likely claim victory over mariupol regardless of what's taking place at the steel plant, and he may also claim moldova, also an independent republic. that's just one option he has, and that's a minimal option -- mike mike. neil: i'm sorry, sir. they have to accept that, right? they're not going to -- >> oh, they won't accept it, neil. yeah, they won't accept it. their fight -- they're fighting back in kherson as we speak, and at some point in mariupol when he puts an opposition force in there and local government, there'll be resistance there as well. another option he's got is to sort of double down and say that this is no longer a special military operation, this is a war not only with ukraine, but

with the united states and nato which he has been saying in the last few weeks to cover up for his losses in the north. and declare general mobilization to try to get more troops into the fight and raise the alarm in russia, you know, that there's huge pressure on russia. right now his narrative is that russia's the victim because the u.s. and nato are pressing them. listen, there's nothing offensive going on with the united states and nato as it pertains to russia. it's only trying to help, as we all know, ukrainians defend themselves. the other thing is he could also allow on the table take the victories he has, which are very limited and certainly far short of what he wanted many terms of the donbas area, and go to a ceasefire. and that, whether zelenskyy accepts it or not, that's his call, and that would enable russia to rebuild his forces. we watch russia in ceasefires, neil, and they're pretty much all the same. he useds them to -- he violates

every ceasefire he's ever been in, so zelenskyy certainly knows all of that. i think that's some of the things that are facing us. 9, may is a day that is a huge day in russia, their number one day where they celebrate the victory over nazi germany 77 years ago, and they suffered it's estimated between 25 plaintiff 27 million people killed -- 25-27 million people. that's staggering to get your head around what they've always dealt with historically. neil: i'm just wondering if it can work against putin, right, general? it's a very prideful event for russians. that was the making and the beginning of the superpower they were to become. and it was a just cause. you could look back at that and say it was an amazing military turn around against all odds, they pulled it off. and then they see what's going on in ukraine, they might say this ain't that. >> well, it -- some of that's going to happen gradually, but the majority of the population

are still buying the narrative that this is an operation conducted against nazis inside the ukraine military who have been committing genocide -- neil: really? >> that a narrative is still accepted. putin's popularity is still in the 80s. it rose in the low 60s to the 80s as a result of the war. eventually the population, though, will have a hot more fidelity this in terms of what's taken place there and, certainly, the missing soldiers that a aren't coming home because they left the bodies on the battlefield and the soldiers that are coming home will take its toll. if anywhere near the numbers are correct that we're in excess of 20-25,000 potential soldiers kill in this war -- killed in this war which is a staggering amount of casualties, exceeds most of the battles the united states has ever been in, that will impact the population as the afghanistan war did and the casualties weren't anywhere near that. neil: all right. we'll watch closely, general. thank you very much.

general jack keane following all these fast moving developments. we'll see how things go on monday. a lot of worry exactly how vladimir putin tries to leverage that day. he is not going to ignore it. >> you have a good weekend, okay? neil: in the meantime, we are still following the fallout of that infamous leak at the supreme court regarding maybe an early, advance opinion we will get on roe v. wade out of the nation's highest court. but it's what's happened to some conservative justices and the release of their addresses that has some very concerned not only for that decision, but for these justices' safety. after this. they're promises. promises of all shapes and sizes. each, with a time and a place they've been promised to be. a promise is everything to old dominion, because it means everything to you.

>> i wish that they would stay out of it and let women decide what to do for themselves. >> about time we stopped the carnage. >> i think it's their body and their right to make the decision, but i also strongly believe that, you know, a child's life begin withs at conception. so i'm conflicted. >> i think that if you backtrack on one supreme court decision, you're going to backtrack on many supreme court decisions. >> i think it's great. i don't think it was ever -- i don't think, i know it was never in the constitution, and it wasn't a constitutional right, and it's something that should be taken at the state level. >> i was a little disturbed that the decision was leaked, but i'm also very upset about the decision. >> it's up to the states to decide. >> i cannot believe this is the country that that i live in. this is not supposed to be the

country that i live in. neil: americans sharply divided on the issue of roe v. wade, and that isen under-- an understatement. the late antonin scalia had worried this day would come. his son, chris, on that a little later in this show. in the meantime the, al sand alexandria hoff in washington on the fallout, what we know of it thus far. >> reporter: well, neil, a lot of people asking if there's going to be repercussions for the leaker, and to that, you know, a draft opinion is not necessarily a classified document, but if it were obtained by a hacking, for example, criminal repercussions would be more clear cut. democrats feel the material exposed outweighs to examine how and why it was. >> let's talk about how the leak came out -- no. we're talking about what this means in the lyes of the american people. -- lives of the american people and our commitment to the calibration that is contained in roe v. wade.

>> reporter: on the other hand, chief jus is disjohn roberts has directed the court marshal to direct the investigation. mike davis, a former clerk for justice gore such, says the intimidation factor must be considers -- justice gorsuch. >> these conservative justices are getting threats against their life on online and elsewhere right now, and the justice department needs to step it up. they need to start making arrests for conspiracy, for obstruction, for assault. >> reporter: while covering the pennsylvania senate primary this week, republican candidate dr. mehmet oz told me this: >> that is a horrific declaration of war on the supreme court, must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. >> reporter: the leak has spurred protests around the country fearing the undoing of roe v. wade including for a call for dramatic demonstrations at catholic churches tomorrow which is, of course, mother's day. google has deleted the map of the homes of the conservative

justices were published. white house press secretary jen psaki says she doesn't have an official opinion about where protesters should demonstrate, but many municipalities have ordinances prohibiting residential picketing. neil? neil: alexandria hoff in the nation's capital. let's go to andy mccarthy, former u.s. assistant cricket attorney. he endures my idiotic questions -- [laughter] i just want to get stuff straight. andy, thank you very much for coming in on a saturday. >> sure. neil: first off, the one most disturbing element since this leak isn't so much the leaker, but the danger it has now put a number of supreme court justices in. the leaks of their home addresses, picketers, protesters coming to their homes. you fear for their safety. it's prompted both democratic and republican senators to look at 24/7 protection for justices. there is a fallout here. what do you make of that in.

>> -- of that? >> well, it's terrible, meehl. i thought the leak was one of if most terrible things that ever happened in the history of supreme court, and now uh-uh think it's not even the worst thing that's happened this week. if because what should have happened after the leak was reck mission, number one, that what was leaked was a draft opinion in that doesn't actually have any effect and may not ultimately be the ruling of the court. but the most important thing would be where the government as unified, the executive branch, the legislative branch and the court to come together and be very strong on the idea that this is not to be tolerated and that the safety of the justices and the security and integrity of the supreme court as an institution was the number one priority of the government. and it's been the opposite of that. in fact, i think the government, the administration by not doing that has actively encouraged the kind of mayhem that we're inviting this weekend.

neil: you know, you mentioned the significance of this draft opinion and when are it becomes a formal opinion. how often -- >> right. neil: -- does it not? in other words, a draft is brought up, you know, written in this case by samuel alito, and then it doesn't pass muster and it becomes in this case maybe the minority opinion? how often does that happen? >> well, i think, neil, it's a common place for opinions to be swapped and refined over the weeks and months. i mean, part of the reason for circulating a draft early majority opinion would be for the dissenters to have something to dissent from. so that exchange has to take place. and as it does, opinions get refinded, they get changed. now, every now and then, you're right, an opinion can get so changed that it's unrecognizable by the end. i don't think that's, that happens too often, but it happens often enough. and the other thing that could happen, of course, in a 5-4 case

is that somebody flakes off, and, you know, what was the majority is no longer the majority. so, you know, we're still -- i think it was very important for the chief justice to come out because of the public confusion that could obviously flow from this and say that this is not a binding opinion. it's a draft that justice alito wrote. and while it was important for him to say that, what i worry about is that the effect that that has is exactly what we're seeing which is intimidation tactics because telling people that if you're going to move people off this opinion the time to do it is now because it's not final yet has exactly the effect we're seeing now which is the attempts to intimidate these justices. neil: real quickly on the leak, andy. the assumption is that a liberal or maybe a clerk for one of the liberal justices -- actually, maybe one of the liberal justices themselves -- leaked this.

that latter part might be a stretch, but i think there are three clerks for each justice, so that leaves up to twelve who could be fingered. and that goes well beyond clerks, i get it. how do you see this being settled? do you think we'll find the identity of that person or that we might already know it? >> yeah, neil, i think institutionally the court is really not equip to do this kind of an investigation. equip quippedded. and they can't do it without real cooperation especially from the fbi. there's some forensic aspects and investigative aspects of in that have to be done that if they don't get enthusiastic participation from the executive branch in the investigation, i have very little hope that they'll identify the leaker. i know court security staff is trying to do its best, but they're just not equipped to do this kind of, this kind of investigation. neil: andy, thank you very much. have a good weekend. andy mccarthy following all of that on the supreme court. we'll keep you posted on any

further development. >> thank you. neil: more protests around the country today. not nearly as heated or controversial, the kentucky derby, that is, unless you get into a hot debate over the hats. but that's not the source of this. lydia hu in kentucky as they get ready. lydia. >> reporter: hey there, neil. we are so excited because it is kerby day at the kentucky derby. back in full force. we've got the horses, we've got the hats, we've got the mint juleps and all of those details are coming up. don't go away. ♪ holidays, graduations, i'm covered for everything. which reminds me, thank you for driving me to the drugstore. earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. "peace of mind." such a big, beautiful idea. and for us at booking.com this means - free cancellation on most bookings. it's a bit functional. but we'll gladly be functional.

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little damp, but even with the weather less than ideal with, it's not going to keep the energy down here, that's for sure, because the kentucky derby is back and so are the $1,000 mint juleps. here to tell us all about it is elizabeth mccall. share your title. >> i'm the assistant master distiller for -- [inaudible] reserve. >> reporter: tell us about the $1,000 mint julep. it is for a good cause, right? >> that's right. we're supporting old friends which is a basically a retirement community for thorough bed horses. so once they're done on the track, hay live out their later years. >> reporter: there are only 148 of these special -- collectors' items, it's really the cup, that are made. and they're already sold out. what's special about the cup? >> the cup changes every year, and the artist changes every year. this year it's already sold out. people are excited, but you have to be on track to pick them up and bring them up with you.

>> reporter: 148 of these available, neil, becausest the 148th running of the kentucky derby. it's encrusting with rubies, and everyone think abouts about mint juleps -- thinks about mint juleps. how many are sold at the derby on derby day? how many every year? >> 120,000. >> reporter: can you believe it? and that means 60,000 pounds of ice, 1,000 pounds of fresh mint for the bartenders. i want to know what 1,000 pounds of fresh mint just is looks like. >> i do too, rain how they keep it looking so fresh. >> reporter: well, post time tonight for the derby, 6:57, so a lot to look forward to through the rest of the day, and like you said, neil, this is the first leg of the triple crown. we have the breakness -- preakness and then the belmont stakes, so a lot of energy and enthusiasm. back to you, neil. neil: have fun, lydia. you richly deserve that, great reporting.

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drag with us -- >> by the way, that's a line from good fellas. it was a joke, okay? neil: i thought they were, but go ahead. >> elon musk, in terms of selling service to potential investors, debt holders as well, you know, he has to raise money, he has to figure out a way to make prettier -- twitter more profitable, and everything is on the table, neil. so one of the things, one of the things -- neil, we have a bizarre thing going on. we're live on air, but one of your producers is trying to frame me up better. neil: i'm very sorry about that. [laughter] >> maybe it was the hat. neil: that or the lawyers. >> that's what usually happens. so he's throwing everything at the wall, at the wall trying to get something to stick and trying to make some money out of this thing because he allegedly

wants to bring it public as most private equity firms do when they take something private. neil: that would be after a few years, right? >> i think what he's going to do, to be honest with you, is -- and i think this is why it's best as a private company, is he's going to make most of viewers, essentially most of the users verify. that will shrink the user base, but you'll get a better user base and a user base that maybe you could target ads to better. and i think that is interesting. if you get rid of the bots, right, you get rid of the people under pseudonyms and on there just to troll, you could enhasn't the user experience. -- enhance the user experience. although that would decrease maybe user growth, but it could be a better platform for targeted advertise thing. you -- advertising that you might be able to make money on because twitter does not make money now. that's what he's doing, and i'm

pretty sure larry ellison's telling him that. as owe -- you know, he's one of the investors. i'm pretty sure jack dorsey knows that -- neil: the founder of ceo. >> and the former ceo until recently. that that's where i think we're going with this thing. neil: very interesting. charlie, always good seeing you. sorry for the technical, but you handle it like the pro you are. hope to see you next year at churchill downs. by the way, he was all over this story before anyone was. kicking the tires around, everyone said, ah, charlie, but he got it and he's ahead of hit. a couple of things in the next hour, jill biden is in slovakia right now, her husband, the president, in wilmington right now. normally he goes to church is thes usually on a saturday night. this comes at a time when the push right now is pro-choice.

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texas on where all of this stands. nate. >> good morning, people in laredo across the southern border are preparing as though title 42 will end on the 23rd of this month. one thing that the biden administration is doing is reopening a shelter used for unaccompanied children last year. the video we shot last march at facilities. it was for last year, with title 42 looming, it may be used again. 12 adults in eagle pass, if you can take a look at this video from eagle pass, 12 adults pass over the river, they used a rope to help each other make it across all 12 made it to be processed by border patrol. if we can take a live look from our fox drone team in eagle pass, we have another group of 16 migrants from colombia and nicaragua. a mix of people, family units and at least one baby and

another child, they had to be rescued in the rio grande, but now are processed by border patrol on the eagle pass side. we spoke with a former border patrol sector chief who is now a professor. listen to what he expects when title 42 ends. >> as they come up there's an inability to help these folks they're released into the united states and open the spigot of migrant flow greater. they're going to get crushed after may 23rd. >> neil, yesterday the texas national guard, department of public safety, and mexican authorities held a joint show of force on the rio grande in laredo meant to deter a possible mass migration event. one group that's particularly gotten attention a group of between 1500 and 3,000 haitian migrant positioned half a mile south of the river behind me and a dps source tells me 4,000

more haitian migrants are making their way to nuevo lore laredo, back to you. neil: thank you, nate foy at our border. let's go to a guy who has been saying, president biden it might be good to focus attention here, and not a republican or democrat, but looking at the gravity of the situation, richard cortez, hidalgo county, kind enough to join us. judge. >> and saying to the extent i represent all in my county, republicans and democrats, and essentially saying this is bigger than politics, which it clearly is. and have you had any reaction from anyone at the white house on your suggestion the president look at what you're seeing and dealing with every day? >> neil, not yet, this is a

serious, complex problem. i think our president needs to be here and speak to the local officials and speak to the people who are in charge of protection of our border. for any changes, he needs to know what the consequences of the changes are and i believe also, needs to provide leadership, to sit down with congress and update our immigration laws. the immigration laws that we have today are not meeting the needs of our economy. we need workers for agricultural industry, hospitality industry, you know, other industries, agricultural industry. so, right now, you know, what we have is -- we have a water leak and need a plumber to seal it. we're sending people to mop the floor and that's just going to continue to use our resources and still not solve the problem. he needs to be here. neil: so, judge, come the 23rd when title 42 goes away or in other words, the feature that allows u.s. authorities to take

those apprehended to the border and send them back south, usually to mexico and points further south, but not the u.s., that goes away. everyone thinks that the surge is going to balloon from between 7300 a day now to in excess of 20,000. do you think that most of those who would penetrate the border do manage to get into this country and can never be found again? >> well, i don't have firsthand knowledge of that. i can only tell you what had as been reported to me and the answer is yes, that there's a large amount of those people that do come here eventually that are lost into the system. that's why i believe that the answer to this problem we're having, at least part of the answer, is to addressing comprehensive immigration reform. when i talk to the good people at border patrol and customs that say, well, you know judge, we have 30 people coming in between the point of entry,

three are criminal bad element people and 27 want to come here to work. we don't know which are the three and which are the 27 that want to work. we need president biden's leadership to help solve the problem. neil: let me ask you, when you have to deal with this, the other issue becomes the bad guys that get through, i'm not talking about those who have no intention to be working or do anything constructive to be american citizens, but some of the drug structure and crime element, a good many of them are and i imagine in a couple weeks a good many more will. >> yes. what happens is you have to deploy the people that are in between the ports of entry and bring them into the ports of entry to start administering the asylum seekers, they only have 72 hours to process them. so, what that does, that removes them from in between the ports of entry, and makes it vulnerable.

so, yes, this is a serious issue that needs to be looked into. neil: so when the vice-president kamala harris went to guatemala and her point was to get to the root causes what is happening at the border, i don't know what's happening since, or visited since since she hasn't returned to the border. the president hasn't gotten to the border. doesn't sound like any kind of a fix is in the offing, judge. >> again, i don't know what's in the workings there, but i can tell you that i've been involved, the border issues for many, many years, i'm a past president of the border ain 1986 president reagan had with illegals amnesty, and we have continuing to the day, we're 30-some odd years past that. so, the part of the answer is, congress and the president need to sit down and update our

immigration laws so they will facilitate the needs of our economy and eliminate some of this illegal from being illegal so we can concentrate on the bad guys. >> judge, thank you very much. i know you're in a tough position here. you're jug trying to get something done and not looking through the label of being a republican or a democrat. and that's a concept, i wish others who are democrats or republicans, shared the same zeal. judge, thank you, very, very much. i want to update you on a couple of other things we're following right now. the fallout on this finding out about the supreme court leaker, but more importantly, the ramifications of that leak, and what it could mean. lo and behold, a long time ago justice antonin scalia warned this day would come and it happened and seemed to predict

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>> do you ever wonder what the late justice antonin scalia gifted with words and thoughts would think about the release of the draft of justice alito in overturning roe vs wade. and depending how you interpret what is said in that draft opinion. the former justice was concerned how stuff could get leaked out of the supreme court, quoting here, if i ever discover that you have betrayed the confidences of what goes on in these chambers, i'll do everything in my power to ruin your career. this is what scalia told clerkses his best tony soprano impression. and i think chris knew of that as he knew of his dad that

well. and chris is one of nine children of justice scalia and a gifted writer. thank you for coming in. >> great to be talking to you. neil: no doubt where he's coming from on that. he worried about that. >> he's his characteristic subtlety with the clerks there. he made no bones about it. a number of clerks have shared similar stories, so, yeah, he took that seriously. he wasn't the only one. i'm guessing he probably put it more sharply than other justices, but this is something that all the justices care about and if indeed this leak was from a liberal clerk, those justices would still, if they ever found it out would be mortified. this is something that all the justices care about. it's not just-- it wasn't just my father, it wasn't just conservative justices. all the justices care deeply about the integrity of the

court and its norms. neil: your dad was such a gifted writer and you're no slouch in that department, chris. follows in the dna. >> thank you. neil: he commented on the court taking up, i think cases like this, i don't want to interpret it out of context, but that these are issues that should have been addressed on other levels. by foreclosing all democratic outlets for the deep passion, this deep issue arouses, by banishing from the political forum that gives even the losers a fair fight and instead of allowing for regional differences, the court prolonged and intensifies the anguish. was he saying there that this was best not left with the court, that roe vs wade in its original form was a mistake and a dangerous leap on the part of the court? >> absolutely.

he said-- made that argument often and probably he put it best in his dissent in the 1992 case, planned parenthood v casey. neil: that slightly modified the whole thing. >> exactly. but still basically kept the consequences of roe? place and my father's argument was, very, there are some things off limits for democratic governance. the first amendment makes that clear, but abortion is obviously not one of those things and when justices try to intervene and settle cultural and social debates that are really outside of their jurisdiction, they fail and that obviously was the case with roe and again with casey. they did not settle the issue of abortion. that issue properly remains in the hands of the people through their elected representatives. and i think that's one of the things that's kind of being lost, even among conservatives with in draft, it is only a draft. neil: right. >> but if this general gist comes through with the majority

opinion, it will actually be good for democracy. i know a lot of democrats are saying otherwise, that this is a deal is a terrible blow for democracy, but that's not the case at all. this issue belongs in the hands of the people not the justices. so, if this is the end result, i think my father obviously would have been very pleased with it. and it's overturning roe does not mean banning abortion across america as many people seem to believe. it means that people actually get to vote on the issue, which is how it should be. neil: of course the interpretation of this, if it is, samuel alito had written there, the draft becomes reality, the fear among those who are pro choice, as you know, as your father probably knew, it could move a number of states to ban it outright and that that cou itself. again, putting in the court the heavy weight of doing something that would stir that. what do you think? >> well, i think that the court

-- the judges can't worry about that. they need to be focused on, you know, the jurisprudence of the decision. that needs to be their focus. neil: but it shouldn't be otherwise on the court. i get that. the reason why i pursued that angle with you, chris, this idea that the court never, never goes against precedent and then i started thinking your dad in the court he reminded it's often gone against precedence. the dread scott decision, a court that he would remain and could remain enslaved and you look at the missouri compromise, found it to be unconstitutional. so there are precedence that are later overturned, sometimes take years and sometimes a century, but it's not without precedent. >> absolutely. and i think, you know, if liberals had the chance in 15 years to overturn my father's-- one of his most significant opinions, the keller case

about-- heller case about gun rights from 2010. neil: right. >> they would jump at the chance. you know, precedent is not necessarily sacrosanct. some precedent is just that and needs to be overturned and i think it really just comes down to the judicial approaches that determine which different precedents fall under those categories. neil: i cannot imagine a single liberal to your point saying that the supreme court's decision slapping down a slave's desire and right for freedom would welcome that. >> right. nobody would. nobody would. i mean, there's -- obviously there are instances where the court got things wrong. that one took a while. sometimes the court is faster to recognize their mistakes as the case in some speech-- speech cases earlier in the 20th century only took them a

couple of years to recognize that they had ruled incorrectly and they would reverse themselves. it happens. neil: you know, chris, quickly, i know i still enjoy having you on. what would your day say, nine kids, his address was blurb d for the world, the safety of the families, the safety of the justices involved, this is crazy, what would he think? >> i'm not sure he'd be completely surprised. he would not approve of it, but this issue does inspire very strong feelings and you know, that i think he would dd i don't, he wouldn't love it, but he wouldn't be surprised. it does-- it's a shame that people think that this is a way to try to convince justice the and i think that-- i don't think that it will work

on the justices and protests if anything tend to galvanize people and the opinions that they have. if they feel like they're being abused by the other side. neil: well put. i think in your family's case, chris, between the nine kids and mom and dad, there'd be more scalias than protesters, so those protesters would have to contend with a lot. >> and not to mention the 40-some grand kid, too. [laughter]. be okay. neil: it would not be a fair fight. chris scalia. thank you very much, have a safe weekend. >> thank you, neil. if i may say happy birthday to my mother. neil: happy birthday, mom. congratulations, hope it's a wonderful time for everybody involved. that remind me, it is mother's day tomorrow and chris, i have to get something for my wife. all right. thank you, my friend. we have a lot more coming up here. the trump bump, it worked like magic, like a charm in ohio and a couple ever states coming with the former president hope to do the exact thing.

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>> well, president trump has the juice and the trump bump if you want to call it that continues the winning streak for the former president and which candidate he endorses against enormous odds and win in the end and we saw that this past week with jd vance. it could be with david purdue over the finish line and trails governor brian kemp by double digits and the businessman running in kansas with groping allegations, it's anyone's guess. he does trail in that race. let' get the read of lee carter. a good read of public opinion.

one thing that's clear in this with the exception of maybe a couple of race the, that donald trump can pull you over the finish line. the georgia one is the one that's closely scrutinized as a test to that because former senator david perdue trails governor brian kemp by 10 points and there was a time right now certainly, when jd vance was a nobody in this race before emerging as a significant somebody and ultimately the nominee. how do you see it, liz? >> well, the way i see it is that trump does give significant bump to candidates, it's not enough alone to make any candidate win, but is certainly does help because he has support. and look at the candidates, supported by trump, with a positive message of saying we're for freedom, for parental rights, for, not having the government involved in all of your decisions and make the

economy great again, all of those messages that resonate with folks and that's where we'll see folks win. now, a lot of those were running against trump and trying to say that he's dangerous, this is not the kind of america that we are. we saw that play book try to run against donald trump, that doesn't work. you can't run a candidate by running against them. you have to paint a picture what's better for you. most americans feel better under donald trump than they do today with the economy and covid. and look, he might not have been the best president and might not have been the best person, but certainly did better by me than the way i feel today. neil: and that may make a difference. so much so that mitt romney, not the closest with the former president, that he has the best shot of being the next nominee.

and is there a resignation to the party hierarchy, but that's romney's view, but it's not preventing others from running on their own. >> it's hard to imagine anyone eclipsing donald trump in this. and there's a lot of time than for the presidential race and the key is that there's a candidate that comes forward with a blueprint for america that makes us all feel better than the blueprint that donald trump has. and donald trump has proven what it's going to look like. there's going to be a lot of tweets, a lot of uncomfort, a lot of things that people didn't like, on the other hand people were optimistic about the economy, optimistic about jobs, they felt good about their future and so, whoever is going to try and eclipse that is going to have to have a plan that says i'm going to make it even better than that and that's not going to be easy to do and most instincts are to

try to take someone down rather than elevate yourself. really we need to see a candidate that has a better picture for america that we can get behind, but right now no one's done that. neil: and things could change to your point. lee carter, thank you very very much for that. we're monitoring other developments, the first lady right now in slovakia, in romania talking to refugees, and notably refugees in these countries and they're back home in delaware monitoring what he is up to right now and following up on his commitment to deal with the inflation problem that he has acknowledged isn't transitory, but he's on top of it, harolding some planes that is going to outline how he's going to deal with that on top of the federal reserve and the interest rate hikes, it's apparently promising down the road to deal with that and has the markets in all of twitter. in the meantime, we're following what's going on in

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threats, and neighboring finland, it's either or both entertained doing so. the ambassador from sweden to the united states, karin olofsdotter joins us now, thank you for taking the time. thank you for having me. neil: first off, on any concerns you have about they had been threats, ambassador, from russia, if you even entertained this. how does it make you feel? >> well, of course, it's not acceptable to be threatened, first of all. that's totally unacceptable and what the russians have done in ukraine is unacceptable, they've invaded that country. there's a kind of interim period before we become members and we've heightened the level

of protection and with the 2014 strengthening our own defense. we're prepared and aware, during this time period if we decide to apply, we're in contact with member states of n.a.t.o., how can we together to enhance the security in the baltic region in the interim period before we're granted full security guarantees. neil: you mentioned there, ambassador, if we decide to apply. you're not telling me that there's a possibility you won't? >> well, it's a political process. there's a report being finalized and presented on friday describing our new security situation because it has dramatically changed since russia decided to attack the ukraine on the 24th of february. we've always lived in an area with tension so you know, we have been aware of that and as i told you, have a very strong defense. but this has, you know, really

changed our situation. so, but as in every country there has to be a political process, political parties have to make decisions and we are in that process right now. so you will most likely see a decision coming out of sweden in the coming next weeks. neil: the coming next weeks, so that you're going to go ahead and join n.a.t.o. or not, we'll know in another couple of weeks. >> yes. neil: so as you know, vladimir putin, his foreign secretary, his defense minister indicated that such a move on your part and on finland's part would get them to put tactical nuclear weapons right at the border, they call that a threat, ambassador. how do you feel about that threat? >> well, that is of course, a threat and that is unacceptable, every country has the right to choose its own security arrangements and on our part if we decide to join n.a.t.o., it's our decision if we want to apply and then it's up to the member states of n.a.t.o. to accept us as new

members. neil: well, can you envision n.a.t.o. not accepting you as a new member, ambassador? >> no, no, i don't. we really bring a lot of security to the northern parts of europe. and given both finland's and sweden's strong military forces and solidarity with the n.a.t.o. countries we've shown, taking part in every n.a.t.o. operation over the last 30 years, we're as interoperatorable as you can be, with the member states. neil: and joining n.a.t.o. you become part after club that's sort of joined at the hip. an attack on one is seen as attack on all and provocative moves by an enemy on one would be an attack on all. if vladimir putin were to take these tactical weapons and put them on your border and god

forbid fire them, are you under the assumption that all of n.a.t.o., all n.a.t.o. countries, up to the united states of america, would respond? >> yes, i am. of course, the way n.a.t.o. works, it's every individual country's sovereign decision when an article five is declared to take that decision to kind of follow through on article five commitments, but at the same time is the essence of the alliance, and so president biden has said, you know, the united states is prepared to defend every inch of n.a.t.o. territory. so that is of course something we count on, also knowing of course-- >> and that works both ways. i don't mean to be rude, ma'am. and if we saw the russians using, let's say chemical, or god forbid tactical nuclear weapons at ukraine and you were an n.a.t.o. member at that time by that time, would you think that elevates this to a war

that involves other countries? >> yes, i do, of course. as you said attack on one is attack on all. so we've had our own kind of solidarity declaration for many years where we have said, you know, without getting anything in return in a way, that we are prepared to help or come to the protection of other nordic countries or eu members should they be in a crisis or in a war situation. so, we have already said that for many years, so, i think if we would join n.a.t.o. we would be most reliant partner in the alliance. neil: well, listening and watching closely to see what comes out in the next couple of weeks, ambassador. thank you very much in the meantime. very good seeing you. >> thank you so much for having me. neil: all right. reaction right now from lieutenant general richard newton, the former assistant of ice chief of staff, air force, so much more, served this

country with great honor and bravery. general, what did you think of that. the swedish ambassador indicating a matter of time before the country is n.a.t.o. members. what do you think. >> neil, it's fascinating and insightful, the strongest words i've heard, of sweden obviously leaning towards considering strongly join n.a.t.o. and obviously, they've got war at their doorstep almost literally. you've got russia, you know, talking about putting tasks on nuclear weapons or other weapons of terror as you mentioned in the discussion. i think it's significant. and realize that she also, you know, mentions finland as well. if you get finland, i think you bring in sweden as well. neil: and finland has a 400-mile border with russia, it's in their strategic interest to be worried and make this move. i'm curious what you make how she would interpret provocative

actions of vladimir putin, nuclear weapons or tactical nuclear weapons of any sort that that might and should herald an n.a.t.o. response, that that is going over the edge. >> i think so. and she mentioned article five very clearly. she also, i'm sure, inside her government is considering the fact that article five, one n.a.t.o. partner is attacked and considered all of n.a.t.o. being able to, again protect that one country or the entire line. so they're looking at threats on their border, growing threats, not only in terms of what's going on since february 24th, but probably looking out for the next month, two months, maybe two months of threats on their doorstep. so it's legitimate on their part and i'm pleased to hear that and i think they would be an incredibly strong partner in n.a.t.o. neil: general, when i have you on, i have to do my homework when i have you on. i did want to get your take,

what this has brought for vladimir putin. he's united the west unlike anything short of the cold war. 's got two countries were famous for neutrality now linking up or likely, with n.a.t.o. he's got 25,000 dead soldiers and for what? and i'm just wondering now, where he goes from here? i know about the victory day celebrations on monday, heralding back to the soviet union's defeat of nazi germany back then. but it must remind his people back home that this ain't that. >> it's not. i think if you go back to the victory parade as you mentioned on, again, on monday, that will be by the way the 75th day of the invasion. that was when russia celebrated the defeat of naziism and i think what his message is to the russian people is, we defeated nazi, we defeated hitler and now they're coming at us again and therefore, he's trying to unite the russian

people, but it's not just an internal message, i think it's external as well. the victory day parade we've seen over the years, i think you'll see on display and even in flyovers, nuclear capable weapons systems and inter-continental ballistic missiles the t-160 blackjack bombers. he's making a message not only internally, but externally to the rest of the world. even though he's a pariah, he's going to indicate i have these capabilities, i have the ability to and i will demonstrate my ability to put these capabilities in play, and i have the will to do so and there's nothing you can do. >> and we have general keen who says, whether it's indoctrination at home or coverage, that he's got 80%

approval or whether that's an accurate or made up number. not on the general's part. and support from those at home from what they're hearing. i don't know who actually believe what they're hearing, but it's going to make it difficult for western powers assuming he's going to lose support at home that that's going to happen anytime soon. what do you make of that? >> yeah, i think that whether or not he-- and jack king is correct. he's spot on. i would continue with that thought. whether or not he has control of the russian people, control of their thoughts and views, so forth. he can still manufacture and really, he really controls their perspective. he controls their narrative. he controls virtually their daily lives and that makes influence on their part. the most important element, however, of the people in moscow particularly, are those within his inner circle, the several hundred or even a thousand that controls the mainstream aspects of the economy and fanses and the information and so forth. so i think that that's going to be really key and that's what we're going to see on display

on the 9th as well. >> we'll watch closely, general, thank you again, but more so, all you've done for the country, sir, we appreciate that, especially guys like me who did not do a fraction of what you did. you left me free to read a prompter. that's not a bad exchange for me, general. so thank you very very much. >> thank you, neil. neil: we have more here. coming up on the monday victory day celebration we're getting word that it's going to be an opportunity for vladimir putin to declare outright war in ukraine. and there's a war for the better part of 75 days here, but that would change everything and allow him to bring this up to a level we've never seen. that's the fear, at least. that's the fear. we will have more after this. looking to get back in your type 2 diabetes zone? once-weekly ozempic® can help. ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪ ♪ oh, oh, oh ♪ ozempic® is proven to lower a1c. most people who took ozempic® reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it.

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killer and the corrections officer. charles, what's the latest? >> good morning, the lauderdale county sheriff says the s.u.v. presumably used as the escape vehicle in this case has been located, but nine days into the manhunt and no signs of casey and vicki white. the 17 year corrections official bought and pre positioned in an escape route was found partially spray painted at a tow yard. and they said that they abandoned it along a rural road. >> and doesn't leave us with a lot. it lets us know where they're headed. they headed north and friday afternoon after they abandoned the car which direction they headed, we don't know. >> the u.s. marshal service has released several photos of murder suspect casey white and

his tattoos, some of which authorities i are affiliateed with a white supremacy group and this depiction of vicki white who may have dyed her hair. the two are supposed to have a special relationship as casey white served a home invasion, and officials say it could have been what motivated her to sell her home and walked out of the prison with casey white in tow. the striking difference between casey white, 6 foot 9, 330 pound frame compared to vicki white's 5 foot 5 frame to work against the couple and that and the $15,000 and $10,000 rewards offered for their capture. >> streets talk, they're off the grid, they've got cash right now. like bill said, he's almost

seven foot, 300 pounds, difficult to hide in plain sight. would i think you can run, but you can't hide. >> and of course, neil, law enforcement is asking the public for any information about these-- about the where about of the whites and asking folks to keep their distance and consider this couple armed and dangerous and they could be armed with handguns, ar-15 and a shotgun. neil, back to you. neil: charles watson, thank you for that. charles watson reporting on that alabama incident. we'll keep an eye on it for you as well and also keeping an eye on the border. we're back there with startling developments after this. flammn that can lead to asthma attacks. but no matter what type of severe asthma you have, tezspire™ can help. tezspire™ is a new add-on treatment for people 12 and over... that proactively reduces inflammation... ...which means you could have fewer attacks, breathe better,

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>> all right. this is a live shot you're getting at the border right now. eagle pass, texas.

i think that fox, correct me if i'm wrong, the only network that has drones and active eyes on the border and i'm amazed how this is a political issue right or left. it's a migration wave and characterized under the best of circumstances, 7300 make their way across the border or try to. title 42 goes away in a couple of weeks, that could triple. and that's a big worry for the former acting ice director kind enough to join us. the expectation that in a couple of weeks we get title 42 going, you could triple that daily encounter, escapee, whoever you want to put it, number, is that accurate? >> there's intelligence, an open source, that there are many people waiting in mexico waiting for the title 42 rescission because right now, the cdp and the border patrol have the ability to expel people regardless what country they come from, back into

mexico. that gives them a little bit of a break, right? they get an opportunity to-- it's a briefer stay before they're returned. when that tool goes away, waiting are waiting and not expelled, they are anticipate coming in and lots won't be encountered by the border patrol. i've done this my entire adult life, 33 years. and we've never seen what's going on now, the homeland at risk and border communities are overwhelmed and men and women are dhs, border patrol agents, their families, they're stressed out, they've been overwhelmed for over a year and a half. neil: there are no guarantees we're going to dramatically up the manpower to deal with that. so how many do you think, if we triple the numbers, 20,000 a day, how many got-aways and how many cross into the country and never to be found?

>> tens of thousands, they're already in a situation where thousands of people, probably a day, every 24 hours. they're a he not even encountered by the border patrol, they're making it past the little patrol hours, little patrol activity that the border patrol is able to do because they're covered up with the other work that they must do. again, we have never seen neg like this on our border. the leadership who testified last week are essentially ignoring it. they knew they had tools and they knew what would happen when they removed the tools and refused to put it back. the men and women of dhs have to pick up the pieces here and the border stress because of the activity. all the places people are going, more pressure on public health. more pressure on schools. more pressure on crime in some of these cities. neil: that unfortunately looks like the case, if someone

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>> civilian rescue efforts now underway in mariupol as russian president vladimir putin reportedly wants to control the city in time for monday's victory day. welcome to fox news live, i'm griff jenkins in lviv, nuclear. >> griff, it's good to see you there in ukraine. you've been there more than six weeks now, more to talk about, expected escalated attacks, perhaps on mariupol ahead of that victory day celebra