you never miss an episode. thank you for making this show possible. don't forget foxnews.com, hannity.com for the latest news and information. our thoughts, our prayers remain with the people of texas and uvalde especially tonight and please keep them in your prayers. tough times for them ahead. stay with us. let not your heart be troubled. laura is next. we'll see you tomorrow night. ♪♪ . >> laura: i'm laura ingraham and this is the ingraham angle tonight and as the families of the 21 uvalde shooting victims continue to grieve tonight, a certain left wing politician, or i should say wanna be politician tried to use the tragedy to help his campaign. >> you're out of line and an embarrassment. sit down. >> you are doing nothing. >> no. you need to get his ass out of here. >> this is totally pre

debilityable. >> laura: texas lieutenant governor dan patrick was grabbing the microphone to speak at the same time beto o'rourke went on an unhinged rant. dan patrick will join us in moments. but first we go straight to uvalde texas where lieutenant chris with the department of public safety is standing by. lieutenant, there's one witness i know that you desperately want to speak with and that's the gunman's grandmother who he shot in the face. it was a dispute, apparently, over wifi. she was on the phone with a cell phone provider complaining about wifi. what is her medical status after being shot in the face, and how important is she to this equation? >> right. so good evening, laura. so she is a key component to this investigation. right now she is critical. our prayers are with her as well as the entire community here in uvalde is also with the victims

and the families. but we are hoping that she pulls through because she will be a key witness to this investigation because she can be able to tell us exactly what was the history of her grandson. what we know right now that this particular shooter did not have a criminal background, no gang affiliation. we do know he was residing with the grandparents at this time and he was unemployed and a high school dropout. so a lot of unanswered questions that we're trying to determine exactly what the motives were and what triggered this 18 year old to shoot his grandmother and also to commit a mass shooting here in uvalde texas where we have 19 children that are deceased as well as two adults, two teachers that were in that classroom deceased, and a total of 18, a combination of children and adults injured. >> laura: now, lieutenant, the suspect is now dead, the alleged shooter, i guess we have to call him that. he was hold up in one classroom but then made his way to the

adjoining classroom through an adjoining door; is that correct? >> right, laura, that's what we're gathering right now. so we're trying to corroborate all this information. what we do know is that that gunman was encountered by several local police officers here in uvalde in which there was an exchange of gunfire. those two police officers were shot trying to make entry into the school t gunman was then able to barricade himself in that classroom which was adjoined by another classroom in which the shooting took place and he just conducted this horrific act of violence to these children, to these teachers that were inside that classroom. >> laura: lieutenant, there's some question as to how long it took for authorities to enter the building and engage the shooter. there's reports that it was as much as a half hour after he entered the building, and cnn

tonight says it was up to an hour and that there was a lull in activity where everyone was trying to get as many people out of the building as possible. i was wondering how is it, you know, more than, you know, 36 hours about later almost we still don't have that time line. >> right, laura. so one thing we want to do, of course there's a lot of reports out there right now, especially on social media. but we haven't been able to corroborate the time line. we want to make sure we provide accurate information like gathering the facts. so we are speaking to witnesses. we're actually speaking to the initial officer, the school resource officer who arrived on scene. we're trying to establish if this officer was actually encountered by the shooter, if he was in his vehicle, if he was off his vehicle. so right now he's also a key witness to this investigation as well because he was the first on scene. we did have multiple officers arrive oh scene in a moment's notice when this gunman made entry into the school but oofs

two officers were shot trying to evacuate other teachers and children in that school by breaking windows around the school and trying to evacuate as many people as possible and that's when of course the tactical team arrived with border patrol, deputy from the county and other police officers who made forcible entry into the classroom and also met with gunfire but able to shoot and kill the gunman. >> laura: and lieutenant, did he enter -- again, there's discrepancies out there about these basic facts. you see multiple accounts saying different things on social media so i just want to get your understanding about this. did he go through the front entrance of the building? or it was also reported in one that he went through a side entrance in the building which was unlocked. do we know that? >> right, from what we do know from the time he crashed his vehicle -- so when he crashed his vehicle the local police department received a call of a crashed vehicle nearby the school and also a gunman carrying a long rifle making his

way towards the school. at that point, that's when the initial school resource officer was on scene. again we're trying to establish what's his role and how far was he from the shooter, what was his role, if he was encountered was there gunfire, trying to corroborate that all that information. so we're trying to speak with that officer right now. but what we do know laura is once that gunman made entry into that school, those officers were met with gunfire. so again trying to establish that time line from the time he crashed his vehicle to the point he made entry in the school and how long was he in the classroom, we want to make sure we gather all these facts and provide accurate information. >> laura: right. presumably there was video of all this, correct? i mean, there's surveillance video of every angle of that school, i think, correct. >> right, laura. also going back, i know you mentioned what entrance. when he crashed the vehicle he went toward the rear of the school. again we're trying to establish working with the school also to

determine if that door was unlocked, if it was unlocked, why was it unlocked, what security procedures did they have in place for such an event. so again still working closely with them and fbi and atf a multi agency collaboration trying to determine the facts. >> laura: lieutenant, do you know if any of the children, it's hard to ask this question but we have to ask these uncomfortable questions. when he was hold up in that first classroom, for it could be as long as a half hour, we don't know. >> right. >> laura: were all the children shot in that classroom? i mean, again, as a mother i can't even say it because it's so upsetting. but were there any children who survived in that classroom. >> you know, laura, right, and it is upsetting. i was at my daughter's award assembly the day this took place and i actually flue over here because of what was taking place here in uvalde texas but what i can tell you is i can't even imagine what the children were going through at that particular moment, especially the teachers,

how terrified they probably were, if they were screaming, if they were yelling for help. what we do know some of the officers on scene heard the gunfire and heard the screaming from these children. so it's just hard to imagine. and also -- >> laura: so we don't know. >> exactly we do not know. but what i can tell you is the officers that responded, just what they went through, how impactful it is for them and also the entire community of uvalde. >> laura: yeah, it is. lieutenant, there are no words really on this, but thank you for giving us the insights that you can tonight. we really appreciate it. >> and today, many of us saw one of the most disgusting displays by a politician that we've seen in a while, and that's saying something. and this is from beto o'rourke. you know the guy who is so focused on taking everyone's ar-15. watch. >> pass the mclaughlin lieutenant governor dan patrick.

>> excuse me. >> you're out of line and an embarrassment. sit down. >> the next shooting is right now and you're doing nothing, you're offering nothing. >> no. >> this is totally predictable. >> sir, you are out of line. please leave this auditorium. to the exit. i can't believe you're a sick son of a [bleep] to come here and making it a political issue. >> laura: the man calling him out was the mayor don mclaughlin who had one of the toughest days of any mayor yesterday and i think we can all understand his anger and translate the bleep. joining me now is lieutenant governor dan patrick who was grabbing the microphone to speak when mr. o'rourke had this outburst. dan, first of all, our deepest prayers and condolence toss everyone in texas and the people of uvalde who are suffering so greatly tonight.

we have to say that before we say anything else. what happened today at that press conference? >> so laura. >> laura: so despicable. from your perspective tell us what happened. >> yes. so when i sat down, i noticed that -- we were in the large auditorium in the high school i noticed that beto was on the end and i literally could see him leaning forward almost like he was getting ready to pounce. but i didn't imagine -- i do see maybe he was going to stand up and ask a question at some point or make a statement. but i could never imagine that on this day, when we were there to not only disseminate information and learn more, but were there to be with these families, that he would pull such a political stunt. you know, i thought laura, and i said in my comments after he finally left, that can't we have just one day?

one week, one month, of us all coming together for these children? not a political stunt? not part sane politics? where's our humanity. and what we found out is beto o'rourke is more interested in his political ambitions than he was about these families and i think that's really what was the tragedy of his behavior. it showed he really didn't care about these people. and that's what we were there for, governor abbott said, myself and the others who spoke. >> laura: he certainly couldn't have thought, dan, that what he evers doing was bringing comfort to the families or really nothing was going to advance the narrative of safety or concern. this was first and foremost an act of political selfishness. period. >> absolutely. absolutely, and well planned by the way. he came -- again i saw him out of the corner of my eye and i was wondering what he was up to.

he had a right to be there. but total political selfishness. and so here we are laura, and this is not, by the way, what texans expect in a leader to behave like this, particularly in this state. he could have had a press conference outside if he wanted, or brought this up at some other time. but not this day. it was just offensive to these children who died and these teachers. and by the way, laura, i found out in talking to one of the school employees, one of the teachers who was killed was found dead laying on top of a student. as i said yesterday when i was interviewed, we would hear stories about these heroic teachers and the heroism of these two teachers in that classroom and the law enforcement -- laura, i've been through a lot in texas. we've had a lot of shootings in texas, a lot of disasters. but whenever it's children, as you said with your own, i have children and grandchildren, it gets to who we are at the core

as a country. and lauer that, i just -- for him to do that today and for us to even spend five minutes talking about it, i just dismiss him. and i think america and texas dismissed him today frankly. >> laura: lieutenant governor back to the question i asked, if someone is hell bent on maiming and destroying they will figure out a way to do it probably right? we'll find out more. but if there was a side entrance or a back door that was open, that can't happen at any school in the country. it just can't happen. those have to be secured and a front door has to be the only point of entry. we've said this before and i think you and i have talked about it before. >> yay we did. four years ago last week was the shooting at sante fe and the day of the shooting that was the first thing i recognized that our schools are not protected the way they should bement we put in a tremendous amount of money, over a hundred million dollars trying to give the

schools the tools to fortify their schools. it's not always as simple as you sound, or as you say, people say, but our elementary and middle schools for sure are not that big where we can control the exit. you should have one-way in, everyone one way out, every door should be locked. and i went up to where that door was today. i walked that area. had that door been locked and he had taken a few more minutes to look for another entrance, he may have been stopped before getting into the school. so it's really important we do that. and our high schools, we're even going to have to think about how we redesign our high schools because our high schools are so large laura that one entrance doesn't work but we've got to address that issue. but, laura, if i can, i just come back to this, laura. this problem is a much larger problem than the infrastructure, the gun issue, the mental health issue. this is -- and all those are important. but at the end of the day, laura, we are in a sick society where we are at each other's

throats all the time. you showed it today. everywhere you look, we are just, whether it's on the internet, whether it's any walk of life, people are just at each other every day, and we have to ask ourself who we are. and i believe we're a nation of godly people and godly people need to pray. >> laura: yeah, got to make changes. >> we've got to make changes. second chronicle 714 laura everyone should read tonight, go to the middle of the bible turn right, christians have to pray for god to heal our land and we have to take a stand. there are some people in this country who are not believers, that's fine i respect their right not to believe. but for those of us who are christians we need to take hold of our country and we do that through prayer. you do not change the culture of a country without changing the character of the people and you can't change character without a heart and you can't do that without turning to god.

thank you laura. >> laura: lieutenant governor good to see you tonight. thank you so much. >> it is easy and gutless for politicians like beto o'rourke and joe biden to pounce on tragedies like this to either resuscitate their flagging poll numbers or launch a political campaign. but what they're not telling you when they're ranting about gun control is that good guys with guns, oh, yeah, they can stop the bad guys with guns. my next guest knows us all too well because in november of 2017 steven was at his home in sutherland springs texas when he heard gunfire from the first baptist church nearby. he immediately grabbed his gun, ran barefoot to the church, shot the gunman multiple times but 26 people still died that night. steven joins us now. it's great to see you tonight. in addition to saving countless lives, you're also a spokesperson for gun owners of america, you know, guns and gun owners have become a scapegoat, they always are at times like

this. what's your response to the politicization of this and what has happened over the last 36 hours? >> i think it's despicable. and my heart goes out to the families and i guess i'm one of the really few people in this nation that can really sympathize with the families. we've been through the same thing in sutherland springs and we know what they're going through. and i would like to reach out to them and tell them i understand you and i guess we're part of a club that we never wanted to be part of. >> laura: well, i think we, all of us, you think what would you do in this situation or what would you do in this circumstance. you heard shots and you ran. you ran toward the gunfire. we had multiple law enforcement

almost instantaneously on the scene. there was some thought early on that the shooter was being chased which is why he crashed his vehicle. i don't know what happened there. but he made his way into that school pretty fast. and he was able to do an enormous amount of damage in a very short period of time. something's got to change with the way we approach these schools or the security or -- and we're going to get into some of the other issues that are involved here, but, i mean, when i was growing up in the 70s and early 80s, this just didn't happen. not to this extent. >> absolutely it didn't happen. and in the stated of texas, we have what's called the guardian program, and where schools can or choose not to take part in a guardian program, the guardian program trains teachers to use

guns, trains teachers also first aid, cpr, stop the bleed, and defibrillator training on top of it. which is a good idea no matter what. but it also, like i say, trains them and allows them to carry in to school. but it's an optional thing for the schools, and this -- [disrupted audio. >> laura: all right. steven. >> it's time for schools to start taking part. >> laura: steven. yeah. >> and it's time to end gun free zones in schools, too. >> laura: yeah, well, you know, eric swalwell was smashing that idea today but we'll leave that to another conversation. steven thank you >> now up next what we know about the uvalde gunman and what he has in common with so many of the other school shooters. what what were the warning signs and how were they all missed? the answer next.

♪ >> laura: he didn't talk very much. he kept to himself. he didn't have many friends. he was kind of a weird one. something was off about him. he spent a lot of time online.

he didn't go to school much last year. dad wasn't on the scene. something changed lately with him. he was more volatile. these are just some of the things we've learned in the past 30 hours or so about the uvalde shooter. but those descriptions could fit any number of the school shooters from the past 25 years or so. virginia tech, sandy hook, parkland. look at their eyes. they're all the same. vacant. dead. a few years ago, a study of mass shooters found that 98% of them were male. the average age, 34. but there were other common al althoughs. first they experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence. the nature included parental

suicide, physical or mental abuse, neglect violence and/or severe bullying. and the school shooters the young men also show signs of severe distress long before they open fire. but either no one intervenes or the interventions that do occur aren't effective. practically every mass shooter studied reached an identifiable crisis point in the weeks or months leading to the shooting. they often become angrier des upon dent. we will probably never know the clear picture, but when a high school kid cuts his own face with a knife as ramos did, one of his friends saw it. someone should have said something. they should have done something. but they didn't. they just wrote him off as odd or quirky or weird or maybe antisocial. in other words, they let it ride. too risky to get involved.

someone else's problem. even family members looked the other way or threw up their hands. or they say they were blind to the warnings signs. >> why didn't he live with his mother? >> they had a -- what you call it? problems or something. >> would he spend a lot of time in his room alone? >> yes, this past year he didn't go to school. he didn't graduate but he didn't go to school. i didn't know he had weapons or nothing or that there. if i would have known, i would have reported it. >> laura: that was the shooters grandfather. now over months or likely years, ramos became a ticking time bomb, but no one stepped in to diffuse him. now the left is focusing on the fact that an 18 year old with no clear source of income was able to buy expensive guns and 375 rounds of ammo.

of course he could have built a pressure cooker bomb and killed as many people. so focusing on his authorities doesn't solve very much. someone hell bent on killing will find a way to kill. so positively ticketses piggybacking for political tragedy for political gain, we talked about that with dan patrick is as sickening as it is predictable. if they wanted gun control they had eight years of obama to get something passed, now they have the house, senate and presidency. so at this point put up or shutup and let the political or legal chips fall where they may. and in the meantime we all must take this moment to ask what is it about our culture, our society, the way we're living now that is creating the conditions for so many young men to have skier 0 regard for human life.

as in chicago, where just for fun, i guess it was last night, a well-known homeless man who was merely sleeping, was set on fire. >> this is a dock area under trump tower and some other buildings. at 2:50 this morning police say a man doused a 75 year old sleeping homeless man with a flammable liquid and then set him on fire. are young men just more sdpondent, isolated and angry than they were in let's say 1980? it sure seems so. why is that? have we made it far too easy for our kids to disappear into a virtual world when the real world presents real challenges? are we really present when we're with our children, or do we have our own heads buried in screen? are we too worried about offending someone if we talk about the importance of fathers. heck, do we even know our neighbors. do we even show concern for

anyone outside of own bubble. and are we afraid to intervene when we see someone going off the rails. the answer to those questions will not change the fact that those pressure 19 children and two of their teachers were brutally murdered tuesday afternoon. won't bring them back. the searing pain, the profound sent of loss will never end for their families and the children who survived. but, perhaps, perhaps if we set aside politics we can save lives. but we must get back to more about caring for each other as human beings. love one another, teach our children that every life, every life, has inshouldn't worth and value. because as we've seen, when someone believes he's worth nothing, that life is never going to get any better, he may

just try to find his glory in many ways. by joining a gang, by selling drugs, by using a gun, a knife, a baseball bat or a bomb >> joining me now is john kelly carolina profiler. don, i just mentioned some of -- kind of similar attributes that mass shooters have as the one that we just saw unfold in uvalde. did i miss any? what are the biggest ones? >> i was going to say, you know, i'd like to lecture with you or have you with me, because you hit every one. you focused in on every topic. i mean, you know, years ago, walt disney said that children and i think that's the greatest natural resource that people don't seem to focus on. it seems like, you know, parenting has become a lost

profession in some ways. and i've worked with thousands of kids and thousands of families over the years. you know, i go all the way back with you to westwood one 20 years ago and then, you know, we were talking about some of this stuff with columbine and all the child abuse, everything that's going on. i mean, hurt kids hurt people. all right? it's real simple. hurt kids grow up to hurt people. like you brought up about early childhood trauma, all right? and that's why i got into profiling. our focus was on trying to show the public the child abuse that takes place within serial killers families as they're growing up, the dysfunctional family, and, and the unbelievable who are wharfing abuse that goes on, and that's just something people have got to understand. you know? this child is in its informative

years. the child is in their informative years. and how are they forming. >> laura: and, john -- yeah, how are they being formed. an john, when i asked all those questions, i mean, i'm kind of asking them of myself, too, because we all get caught up. we're so busy, you know, screens, the stupid phones, every -- and we remove ourselves from life as it's happening right now around us. and we're missing life. we're missing it. >> absolutely. >> laura: and there is a lot of hurt around us and it's easier to put a blinder on. and again i'm not pointing fingers, i'm saying it's all of us. all of us. final, final word. >> all of us and life has been kind of desensitized as a culture i believe to blood and guts and governor. i really believe that. it sadens me, you know, it's

just something that has gone on. the signs were already there, the kids usually know, some ever the kids know before anybody else knows. i mean, it's just the bottom line. and, you know, parents really have to show love, respect and value to their children. it is a child's birth right. that is your birthr birth right as a baby okay in a crib. can anybody say i baby doesn't deserve that? >> laura: no, you're right about that, john, and we appreciate your voice tonight. thank you. >> i find myself in a position where i'm lying to my kids, and every parent in america right now is lying to their kids. if you're telling your kids they're going to be safe at their school and everything's going to be okay, it's a lie. the truth is not by policy defect you but by design, dine of the party in this country

every kid in every classroom is exposed a shooting. >> laura: joining me now is newt gingrich former speaker of the house and fox news distributor. newt every democrat in front of a television has pointed the finger at the republican party for the last 35 hours or so. your reaction tonight. >> well, i think we need a much more profound and honest conversation. there's evil in the world. whenever they get involved in some setback, the fact is the young man that went into that school personified evil. the man who went into the grocery store in buffalo personified evil. a lot of the number of people, this is what they're releasing, rapist, car jackers, robbers, represent evil. and unless we're prepared to have a really honest national

discussion we're going to continue to have a hundred thousand plus people dying from dugover dose, teen-agers committing suicide, we're going to have to have these kind of murders. we need a much more profound national conversation than the kind of political bologna that both parties engage in that sticks up at a level of some trying to somehow mans plate a system that is totally broken. now, you want to protect schools and here i agree totally with sean hannity and others, deal with texas has begun to do and this school did not do, and that is pay teachers to become guardians, train them, maybe sure they're arm, make sure if somebody walked into the field with a rifle, thankful, if i'm going to be blunt will get killed. there should be a sign that says

we're not going to make it and we're going to kill your children first. every family pay $500 extra, that would be a federal program, every teacher willing to be trained and armed to protect the children, teachers and administrators. but we don't have that kind of conversation. we're all stuck up in some high political bologna led by president joe biden who i think yesterday made a total disgrace out of what should have been. >> laura: that was embarrassing. >>-- a serious national speech. so i'm very happy to have a debaited about what would it really take to fix these things but there aren't many people in politics who ban to get involved until that level of change. >> well, some of that will for sure help, we also have a deep spiritual vacuum in america and life means nothing to wait for any people, and that is a difficult and long term problem fix but in the meantime we have to harden these targets. newt great to see you as always. and more on texas.

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♪ >> laura: in moments we'll have more on the deadly shooting in uvalde and how you can protect your family in these increasingly dangerous times but first i want to turn quickly to washington, dc where congress wants $22 billion more for covid relief. we're a tonight that millions have already been wasted from that $1.9 trillion package like five hundred thousand bucks for programs of racial justice at the university of montana, 50 k to teach indigenous canoe building. ancient egypt in pittsburgh. what? joining us now to talk about this, sad but not sad, infuriating arkansas senator tom cotton. senator, what the heck. this kind of small change

compared to almost $2 trillion, but what does it tell us about this? >> well, laura, this kind of waste wasn't predictable, it was predicted at the time. we said when the democrats tried to shovel $2 trillion out the door immediately without proper oversight and adequate controls that it would go to fund these kind of irrelevant and frankly trivial priorities of the democratic party. that it wouldn't go to help coronavirus relief. it's just an example of how reckless the democrats have been over the last year and a half with your tax dollars. they wasted all this money on those initiatives you just talked about and that just scratched the surface. it's stuff you have a $2 trillion tax bill and on top of it all it's that bill that caused inflation that we have right now. they even gave stimulus checks to the boston marathon bomber and other hardened criminals.

that's hour ideological they were sending trillions of dollars last year. we don't need any more spending and we don't need anymore democrats in control in washington. >> laura: well, senator i think we saw a lot of republicans who voted for that so-called infrastructure bill which was more money spent by washington that we either have to borrow or print. and when we borrow from countries like china, we end up funding the war that russia is waging on ukraine because china's helping russia. so the whole thing is a twisted deal when we spend money that we don't have, all of it. >> yeah. and, laura, thankfully we right now stopped the democrats from spending another $5 trillion on the coronavirus. they claim they're still working on it, pair it back and maybe get it to 50 votes in the senate but hopefully we can get through the end of this year at least through the election and make

sure they they're not wasting your tax dollars on racial inequity inclusion programs or indigenous canoe building programs. none of this has anything to do with the coronavirus pandemic that we faced two years ago at the height of the uncertainty and the challenges and lockdowns. this was coming out of the coronavirus pandemic. this was about the democrats funding their pet project. >> laura: well, i just think until republicans, we hope, take back the senate and the house, i think the spending has to end. we're out of dough and it's hurting our country at this point. senator thank you for standing firm >> up next an active shooter expert with information you need to know how to keep your family safe. it's out there and we'll bring it to you. stay there.

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♪ >> laura: how to react, fight back, and survive. well schools and officers have been doing active shooter training for years now but too often in the heat of the moment when your heart's beating americans forget or don't know how to respond. joining us now to give us a mini refresher corresponds is michael julian create-or of the live active shooter training program one i teaches around the globe. michael we hear in these

situations, especially in classroomses, that kids and teachers should lock down, turn the lightsoff, lock, close the door, but i think you say that that's not always the right move. why not? >> correct. well, unfortunately, laura, if we try and, you know, tell people to do these cookie cutter solutions, it's not 1-size-fits-all. we learned that during col biome because we always program our kids that if anything happens dive under the table, dive under your desk. well, instead of running out of the library like so many did, several dove under the table and ultimately were executed because they were still there when the two assailants entered. so we have to use our common sense. react rationally rather than emotionally, process the information to do what is boast for our survival. >> laura: now, michael, the question is always fighting back and obviously little kids, they're not going to be able to do much probably. but adults fighting back, when

you have someone like the shooter with a high-powered weapon, lot of ammo in the bag, what to do. >> well, it's going to depend on the circumstances, and the circumstances are going to be vastly different in any situation. so you have to -- the first thing you've got to do is keep your head. our brains sometimes lock up under extreme pressure and fear, and in so many situations we've seen, and i teach in my program, grown adults will literally just freeze and be paralyzed in fear, and doing nothing or the wrong thing is not the best way to survive a situation like that. we have to stay calm, react rationally and then qui do the run height fight or whatever method we've been trained on. >> laura: there's some reports that it might have been as long as either a half hour or up to an hour that that shooter was in that school. i know you don't know all the circumstances. a lot of questions remain.

but for a novice like me, i don't know fig this, but that seems like a long time. >> it's a very long time and statistically probably 98% of the times these situations are over in ten minutes or less. in fact the highest body counts virginia tech and las vegas in that exactly. this was a very long time, about 40 minutes for this one. >> laura: michael, keeping our head in times of crisis, it is a hard thing to do. you teach it for a living. thank you for doing that and i hope people are watching tonight >> final thoughts on another difficult day when we return.

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♪♪ . >> laura: now one of the volunteers who was helping last night in uvalde said the scene inside that school was horrific. some of the children who were so grievesly wounded shot could not

be identified, parents waiting outside. some of them actually had to give dna samples for the purposes of trying to identify the victims whose identity couldn't be determined because of the gunshots. we have a real problem in our society. it is a terrible tragedy. we must pray for each other and love one another. thank you for watching. see you tomorrow night. ♪♪ [cheers and applause] ♪ >> greg: happy wednesday. we're back. hope you enjoy the show tonight. we're going to keep it super light this evening because yesterday and today was pretty heavy and it was heavy for everyone. but my job is to offer some break or a place to come up for