>> new questions now about the police response to the texas elementary school massacre as some parents say the officers were "unprepared" and just waiting outside as they even debated storming the building themselves. this is "outnumbered." hello, everyone. i'm emily compagno here with my co-hosts kayleigh mcenany and harris faulkner. joining us morgan and chris bedford. now, this is shocking new video which you are watching of the

chaos that erupted outside of the school between frantic parents and police. now, we don't know when during that time period this video was shot. but it shows distraught parents growing more and more frustrated with police and frantic outside of the building. as we learned that an agonizing 90 minutes passed between the first 911 call and the stand-off's deadly end. some are shouting at law enforcement. do something. watch. >> why? why?

>> emily: lieutenant christopher oliverez told our producer before air that we want to stress there are conflicting reports out there so the department of public safety will be holding a press conference later today. d.p.s. is currently corroborating physical evidence and gathering witness statements before addressing the media and we do not yet know what time that press conference will be. bill is live in uvalde, texas. bill, what can you tell us? >> bill: emily, i can tell you one of those conflicting reports is going to be based off the school resource officer. keep in mind, yesterday, texas d.p.s. told us it was confirmed that that school officer had exchanged gunfire with the shooter and was injured before that gunman then ran into the school. then last night, texas d.p.s. backed off that and said they could not confirm that there was an exchange of gunfire or that the police officer fired at the shooter. so that's one of the things that

we should be getting some more clarity on today during this imminent press conference. we don't know what time it's going to take place yet but we're told they're planning one. that video you mentioned off the top, parents now raising questions. there are more questions about the timeline of all of this. how long was the gunman inside of the school? and once again, we'll show that video of parents outside of the school allegedly telling officers go in there, get inside! take a listen. ok, we apparently did not have that. you showed it off the top. the question here is when was that video recorded? was it when the shooter was already dead? you don't hear any gunshots in the video. you do see police officers appearing to try to set up a perimeter. were they just pushing parents back and setting up a perimeter while there was a breach team inside waiting to go in? we just don't know the answers to those questions right now. so we're waiting to get more

clarity. but today, as opposed to yesterday, there are a lot more questions than answers right now about how long it took for those officers to get in. we do know, however, if we can pull up this photo, though, it was eventually an elite border patrol agent, a bortac agent that went in and killed the gunman. i'm told this is the hat that agent was wearing when he took the gunman down. he suffered a bullet graze wound to his head. you can see the tear in the hat. that's how close that agent came to losing his life. i'm told he has staples in his scalp right now. a minor injury. but as you take a look at this video of the gunman going into the school before that shooting, texas d.p.s. telling me they are trying to interview or about to interview the school officer that this apparently all started with. they want to talk to him to find out what really happened. again, we were initially told that that school officer exchanged fire with the gunman. that statement was backed off of. we were told it turned into an

encounter between the school officer and the gunman. they want to talk to that school officer again. that might be one of those conflicting reports they're getting. they want to find out exactly what happened. that will really help them with their timeline. in the meantime, take a listen to this teacher that fox news spoke with last night. she works at robb elementary school and she got understandably very emotional talking about how close that gunman came to her class. take a listen. >> my kids were so scared! i got in front of them. i had to protect my children. >> bill: and look, the bottom line here is there are obviously a lot of questions circulating today about the timeline. what did police do? what didn't they do? i can tell you that a lot of the law enforcement who arrived here on scene had an emotional connection to this school. many of the border patrol agents

have children at this school. one of the deputies had a loved one in this school who we're told was killed. i want to show you this picture from the local newspaper really quick. what you see here is border agents breaking the windows and pulling these children out of the windows. law enforcement was swarming the scene. we got to wait for more clarity to find out the details and the timeline. hopefully we get more of that clarity today, guys. >> emily: that's right. thank you so much for that. that heroism is undeniable in that context. we are definitely learning new details and appreciate you reporting from the ground, bill. i have a follow-up question for you, if you're still there. we have footage that shows that chaotic crowd outside of the school, right, we have the heavily armed sheriffs and law enforcement sort of holding back that crowd. we see in one case them to seemingly wrestle a panic stricken woman down to the ground. and i want to know if you've talked to any of the parents there and what they say, any of their communications to you from that specific moment, from that crowd, from that 90 minutes

outside of the school. have you talked to any parents about that and what have they said to you? >> bill: we have not specifically spoken to any of the parents who were involved in that video or were there immediately, apparently, yelling at police officers. all we can do is infer what we see in that video. we do not hear any gunshots. we see police just trying to appear to keep a perimeter, keep the parents back. obviously they can't let parents run into the school if there is an active shooter. we just don't know exactly where in the timeline that video was reported. >> emily: thank you, bill. we will stay with you for all updates. bringing it out now to the panel. harris, so many questions yet to be answered. >> harris: look, we'll have to wait for the answers. i was on with pete last hour as we know served in the military and has seen combat and many of the people as guests on my show has. he talked about the fog of war and why there might be reasons to delay going in the school. but even he had questions, as i

do, about the time period between shooting the grandmother in the face, school being told -- schools in the area being told to go on lockdown, the time that the shooter would have shown up at the school, and then gotten into the school after having that exchange with law enforcement outside. so, you know, there's just a lot of questions along that timeline. and what to us may seem like an eternity looking in may have just felt like seconds making those decisions. now, having said all of that, and pete and i agreed, i mean, you've got to lean in on the facts and not get ahead of them. and let law enforcement answer the questions this afternoon at that news conference. it's important that they answer questions. and so it's great that they're coming out and they're giving a statement but it's important that they start to answer questions that can start to correspond with some of the video that we have because everybody has these questions now.

we want to prevent the next one. that's where it comes from. it's not to impugn anybody. but we just need to know the facts at this point and just keep cool about it until we do. >> emily: that's right. morgan, how those facts play into as well as strategy and policy of law enforcement that we will learn as well when applied here. >> morgan: we all feel incredibly grateful to these elite border patrol guards and they were able to save lives by the fact that they went in. but i think that that is the big question that i would like to hear from the press conference today, emily, which is, you know, why did it take this elite border unit going in, why couldn't the police go in? and i think that's important because where most of us live, we don't have access to these border patrol agents. i mean, thank god for them but the average mom like most of us on this panel sending their kids to schools, there won't be border agents near there. so we need to know, we need answers as harris just said. >> emily: chris? >> this is something that we

tragically learned over two decades ago with columbine when police officers rolled up on an active shooter, active shooters, and they treated it like you would a normal crime scene where they set up a perimeter. we've learned from that awful thing which i remember hearing live on the radio, we learned from that you can't treat school shootings the same way as a bank robbery or a hostage situation or a hijacking of an aircraft or anything like that. we've learned that because of all the lives that we lost since then. we have to go in. i've seen a lot of people draw comparisons to parkland. i think this is really bringing me back to that awful day in 1999. >> emily: that's right. to be clear, the law enforcement response to columbine at the time comported with protocol and that's what led to a change in protocol. at the time, obviously, the horrible tragedy but it led to changing law enforcement responses. kayleigh? >> kayleigh: yeah, you know, i was on this program yesterday when lieutenant olivarez, the head of texas public safety came

on and told us about that armed shooting altercation with the school officer which is now under question. was it just an altercation? was there shooting involved? that's a key question. also a key question, two law enforcement officers was approaching the school and there was some sort of stand-off. what happened in that moment? and the reporting suggests by "the new york times," associated press and others, there was this moment where this shooter was siphoned off into one classroom and then eventually a tactical team came in. each and every one of those steps, emily, is going to be really important to the timeline to harris' point of how protocols can, perhaps, change in the future and how most effectively law enforcement can respond. i do want to take a moment, though, focus on these victims because we are starting to learn their stories. there's a really tragic moment in an interview on cnn last night where we learned from angel garza, father, he showed up on the scene. he's a medic, and he saw a young girl with blood walk up to him,

and you know, as a medic, he said, you know, are you hurt, sweetie? and the little girl said i'm not hurt. this is my best friend's blood. and he said who is your best friend? the best friend was amerie garza that happened to be his daughter. these are the kind of things that happened. these are the realities of the situation that these parents are going through. he will never forget that moment. we want to keep learning their stories and one thing he asked is that we remember his daughter amerie for the hero she was. she was a 10-year-old, she picked up her cell phone and called law enforcement and, perhaps, lost her life. a hero 10-year-old. remember that name, amerie garza, a true hero that day. >> emily: there's no end to this tragedy. coming up, the chilling final words of the school shooter and what his family is saying now. lawrence jones live on the ground in uvalde with the latest details next.

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>> harris: the more we learn about the texas school shooter, the more jarring the facts are to be including this revelations from friends and family members who describe the 18-year-old as a loner who kept to himself. the bone chilling final messages he sent over social media moments before the massacre also popping. he was on an app with a friend in germany who is 15. what came out of that is chilling. fox's lawrence jones has more from uvalde. so let's focus now on the shooter and what we know. lawrence? >> lawrence: that's right, harris, because he is, in fact the real villain here. he goes on social media and talks about how he's going to shoot his grandmother and he did just that. and then he goes back on social media and says that he's going to head to the elementary school and he did just that. when you talk to the shooter's mother, she says that she never

known him to be violent. many people have questions about that because they always classified him as a loner. the grandmother is still in critical condition and many say that she has the missing pieces to the details of this event. again, he went there to shoot her first, went on the chase and then when he got to the school had a crash, begins to shoot at people at a funeral home. and then went into that school. the grandfather talks about the gun that he had, didn't know that he had a gun. it's important to note, also, harris, that the grandfather is a felon which means that if he has that gun in his house, that would be illegal. >> harris: i want to get to this part. you mentioned the text messages. they were on a social networking app called yubo and i've been checking it out. a way to "make friends, refresh the friends you have." he said i just shot my grandmother in the head. he told that to a 15-year-old friend in germany that he had connected with on this app.

another teenager. this is according to "the new york times." he said "imma gonna shoot elementary school right now. so she had through friends after the shooting, she realized how serious that was. she had her friends help contact u.s. authorities. and by the way, he had already told her on that app he had purchased an a.r.15 on his birthday so days before. i'm not saying, impugning the app. they've come out with a statement apologizing for what they did or didn't know and all that condolences. but they couldn't know what they didn't know. this gets more complicated by the moment. you said who knows him best? lawrence? >> lawrence: i would say that his family members know him best. i find it very troubling that the mother said that he had no violent tendencies when everyone in the community classifies his loner tendency and he was violent as a young man. so the parents say they knew nothing about it. i just don't buy that.

number two, harris, i think when you talk to investigators and the sources that i'm talking to, they are really honing in on that gun purchase. if he was a dropout, did not have a job, how did he purchase the gun? who helped him purchase the gun? that is one of the questions there and also, did the grandfather know that he had the gun in the house? because if he did, then the grandfather could be in legal trouble. back to that message again app. we know if 30 minutes between the time of him posting it and acting, investigators want to know what he was posting on the app before today's events because if there was a pattern of behavior there, they would have liked to known about that as well, harris. >> harris: yeah, that's why when he talked about buying a gun on his birthday and had been talking to this teenager, what the app is saying and what federal authorities are saying now, lawrence, they can't reveal to us what's happening but at least one account has been

suspended. that was the quote. we'll move forward. lawrence jones, great to have you on the ground reporting for us here on "outnumbered." thank you. >> lawrence: thank you, harris. >> harris: all right. chris bedford, you know, we don't know what we don't know just like the app didn't. people don't. but they're starting to ask some interesting questions now. and it could be an indictment of what we choose not to look at. >> chris: one thing we know for sure is this boy is a coward, the kind of person that targets children like that just like all shooters is an absolute coward. but a lot of the social media has given rise to these things being able to spread. these people are able to find communities that might help them to go further into their darker fantasies. friends of his said that he in the last two years had started to turn even further. teenagers, of course, go through difficult emotional times, depression and other things. but it's certainly been difficult for a lot of teenagers to go through what we've seen with covid, what we've seen with some of the school shutdowns and

some of the fights in our culture, society. had a huge impact on the mentally ill and certainly made things worse and in social media, you can find a community sometimes that helps you fulfill those darker fantasies or feeds them. >> harris: morgan, having worked in a former administration, i'm sure national security issues did include taking a look at those among us that might be vulnerable in terms of mental illness. just curious to get your take. >> morgan: i spoke to a friend before this show who has written many books on serial killers and he was explaining to me the difference in the psychology because i think everybody watching, all of us on this panel say how could somebody do something like this? all these mass shooters according to my friend who writes these books have an end game in mind. that end game is they feel aggrieved by society. they're angry and they want to be remembered. they feel like nothing, so they want to do something to prove a point and to be remembered by society. it's incredibly screwed up, but that's part of the psychology

behind these mass shooters. >> harris: emily? >> emily: you said the more we learn, the more it's jarring. i think there's a disconnect between what his grandparents said which sort of described him as this quiet boy who kept to himself. and the more that we are learning from people who interacted with him on line especially that spoke of harassing, uncomfortable experiences and exchanging back and forth including girls on other -- on other female users on yubo that talked specifically about being one of the many girls that he allegedly harassed on line. really chilling comments like you're going to regret not doing what i say reportedly from the shooter on that. so more we learn, the more really uncomfortable and chilling this all is. >> harris: some of that behavior, kayleigh of him going around town with one other friend with a b.b. gun and shooting at people, you know, from what we know before he turned 18, so there was a history there when he was younger. quickly your thoughts? >> kayleigh: yes, you know, the

mom says she didn't see him exhibit violence. "the washington post" cited a friend that said he cut his face up. the friend asked questions and pressed in and found out it wasn't a cat as this young man said. it was himself cutting himself. another classmate said he got in five fist fights. those around him saw violence. quick point about the threats and the fact that he articulated his intent beforehand. we know in 60% of these cases, shooters do. and i want to point out in donna, texas, this is an example of a situation working where law enforcement saw a threat, on line or wherever. i'd like to know how they identified this threat and averted a potential shooting by closing the school for two days. we don't often hear about the successful examples but just as much as we look at the failures here, we look at the successes in donna, texas and elsewhere that they identify beforehand. >> harris: reportedly on that situation in donna, texas these were two junior high kids who wanted to hit their junior high school and had a list of other

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>> kayleigh: earlier this hour, we saw reporting about the timeline of the horrific school shooting and what a close call it was for that one border agent whose hat was grazed by a bullet. joining us now, tom homan, former acting ice director and a fox news contributor. tom, what we know now according to reporting, 11:32 a.m., a call comes in about this shooter approaching the school. there's some sort of altercation with a school officer. at some point, two police

officers approached the school and some form of a stand-off. he's siphoned into a room isolated and then a tactical team comes in. but there is this allegation by "the new york times," associated press that this stand-off in the classroom was about 40 minutes. your thoughts on protocol and the questions that need to be answered. >> you know, it irritates me that people want to monday morning quarterback in an incident like that. i've been involved in one shooting in my career and deeply understand that things happen quickly and until the texas rangers finish their formal investigation of the timeline, i call every one of these men and women wearing those badges and guns heroes because if they wouldn't have interceded when they did, there would be many more dead children so hats off to the men and women of law enforcement that responded to that thing especially the border patrol agents. one thing i hope people understand is more places aren't just immigration officers patrolling the border. they live in these communities, they go to those churches. they shop in those supermarkets.

their kids went to that school. their neighbors are friends of the community. if they didn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way to try to put a stop to this carnage. >> kayleigh: we see images of police officers helping kids through windows, breaking windows and doing everything they could to get those kids out. there were two threats, a credible threat in donna, texas, where there was information of some sort gathered by officers who were able to foil a plot between two or three individuals. they found a list of names of students they intended to target and a weapon in the home of one of these individuals and near dallas, texas another incident where a young man bought two weapons to school. they found them in his car. these are two examples of threats averted. do we need to look at these situations closely as what went wrong in uvalde, what went right in dallas and in donna? >> absolutely. a lot of times, they give us notices off social media. how quick are people to report

suspicious activity? so yeah, they need to study this case. i've said from day one, they need to harden these schools, we have armed officers protecting banks. we have armed officers protecting politicians. but you know what? the children are our treasures and they're in schools. there's no reason why the great e country on earth cannot only harden the schools but have armed resource officers in every school that protect our children. and also, in addition to protecting the children making the parents feel more comfortable about when their children are at school. it will help build the trust that has been tarnished the lana: couple of years by the left and wants to defund the police and call the police racist. 99% of the men and women that carry that badge and gun are doing it for the right reasons. they don't make a lot of money at all but they put their lives on the line every day for people they don't even know. >> kayleigh: last question, i only have about 10 seconds. an elite bortac agent, border patrol, i've read multiple accounts. he ran into the gunfire. he ran into that scene without waiting for his team.

and then a bullet grazed his head. by all accounts a hero. >> the elite of the elite border patrol, they're all heroes. that man is an american hero and the most highly trained group in the border patrol. thank god they were close by to respond. they saved a lot of lives. >> kayleigh: absolutely. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> kayleigh: harris, he makes a key point. we've got to wait for these facts to come in. like they said on your show, they didn't even have the key at one point. they're trying to knock down this door. it took some time to find the key for the classroom. >> harris: for the classroom. my big question, though, can i say something about tom for a moment? if you are doing your job and you have a boss who supports you like him, imagine how much better you'll do your job. and i'm sure today, law enforcement, those who hear him, he may not be their direct boss but they know that he has their back until the facts do come. and that's the sign of somebody who was at that level at ice, right, the acting director.

that's a sign of leadership. so pete and i talked, i think our team has a little bit of that. i want you to hear what pete said about those moments of fog of war. do we have that? >> shots fired, somehow gets into the school which is a whole another question. that can be 10, 15 minutes before they identify he's actually in the school. where is he in the school? once you then find him there, how do you get into the classroom? you know, we fortify these classrooms rightfully so to make sure that shooters can't get inside them when you have an active shooter drill. that also means it's really difficult for law enforcement to get inside them. plus you have kids behind that door. you don't -- you may not want to send a rank and file police officer in there who isn't as trained in swat-like tactics so you wait for the guys with the shield because you're not sending someone in to be a recipient of bullets. >> harris: so kayleigh, to the point of your question, it was hard for them to get into one of those interior doors. remember, the school is supposed to be on lockdown after the shooter had left from shooting his grandmother in the face.

we don't know how many minutes that transpired there. that's another reason why the timeline is so important. once you get there and the perimeter has been breached because that killer got in, you have to figure out where the kids are and breach those other enforced doors. those reinforced doors. i thought pete did a beautiful job just trying to let us know of all the things that can come about in those seconds or moments. we have to wait for the facts. but i tell you, public safety has to take some questions today. >> kayleigh: no doubt. chris, pete had a key line that stuck with me on harris' show and he said the news reporting moves faster than the timeline. i think a good example of that is yesterday, law enforcement saying there was shooting altercation and now that's in question. >> chris: absolutely. we're finding out new things every day. we're finding out things that we thought were true yesterday and turned out to be not true at all. it's difficult to get through and having pete talk about some of the aspects and some of the

chaos and some of the uncertainty that's in a situation like this is certainly true. of course, talking to folks, i think there's a good reason for police to move as fast as they possibly can. when you're on an attack, sitting around and waiting, hitting people quickly and hitting people before you know what's going on is how you generally win. this shooter had the upper hand but the police outnumbered them and they waited too long. >> kayleigh: all right, coming up, beto o'rourke facing backlash for crashing texas governor greg abbott's press conference and heckling him to change gun laws. this as parents were waiting for answers. right as the governor was giving an update on the shooting to a grieving community. more on the outburst next. this is koli. my foster fail (laughs). when i first started fostering koli i had been giving him kibble. it never looked or felt like real food. but with the farmer's dog you can see the pieces of turkey. it smells like actual food. i saw a difference almost overnight. healthy poops, healthy dog, right?

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the man that o'rourke is currently running to replace as well as the other republican leaders in the room. >> excuse me. >> sit down! you're out of line and an embarrassment! >> after -- >> sit down! >> shooting is right now and you're doing nothing. >> no. give this guy -- >> this is totally predictable. >> sir, you're out of line! sir, you're out of line! sir, you are out of line! please leave this auditorium. >> can exit. can exit. >> i can't believe you're a sick son of a [beep] to come to a deal like this to make a political issue! >> kayleigh: emily, this was one of the most shameful things i have ever seen from a political actor. i am thinking as someone, if you're a parent or relative and you lost a loved one, everyone grieves differently and maybe some parents could not bear to watch that press conference. but i am sure there were others trying to collect every single

detail about how their son or daughter lost their life, what their last moments were like, how long the shooter was in that room. every last detail they could soak up and to have a democrat gubernatorial candidate stand up and interrupt local officials is nothing short of shameful. >> emily: an actor indeed, kayleigh. he's a performing clown and reprehensible. he's a joke. he's a waste of flesh. east not worth it. lieutenant governor dan patrick said it best, you're out of line. the mayor of uvalde said it best, you're out of line. leave the auditorium. i cannot believe you're a sick son of a b that would come to a place like this to make a political issue. that's, unfortunately, what we get by that despicable person. i don't want to say his name. he's not worth it. >> kayleigh: it was a stunt that was planned. he was in the third row across the aisle. there was a seat holder and moments before this press conference began, this seat holder switched places with the

democrat gubernatorial candidate. >> morgan: when i heard about this yesterday, it was almost unbelievable. i said how could he turn something so important to these families as emily just noted into a political stunt? one of the things that i'll say is there's plenty of people that are feeling a lot of anger in this country towards what's happening to their children. in the schools and there's a robust political debate around it. so i understand there's a perspective of a lot of people are feeling anger, people are feeling sadness and grieving differently, as you said, so if the democratic candidate, if robert francis would like to channel that anger, i think he can do that. but just that was just the most inappropriate place to do it. but i understand there's a range of emotions right now that people are feeling, just not the time and place. >> kayleigh: chris, he left the room and escorted out and takes questions from reporters outside. >> chris: you know, being angry is totally allowable.

having policy ideas is totally allowable and i know this has been a part of a political test for people of his supporters of gun policy say this is a proud moment. and those that are against it, the victims there that are aghast at that spectacle. if we're looking for solution to this rising problem and awful problem is it's a lazy idea. guns haven't become more lethal since columbine and the technology hasn't gotten more dangerous since columbine. what has changed a lot is our social media aspects like we were talking about in an earlier segment. the fact that bullying at school continues in your pocket after you leave much the fact that media creates a circus around certain aspects of this and the fact that it's impossible to get away and the fact it's easier and easier to find these dark communities that fulfills some of your crazier ideas. that's what's really changed in the last 30 years. and before that, we always had guns and didn't have this. i'm with beto on trying to find some kind of solutions here. i want to find one that's actually real. >> kayleigh: harris, another

tweet caught my eye from former president barack obama, we should as we grieve for the children, two years have passed since the murder of george floyd under the knee of a police officer. his killing stays with us all to this day especially those who loved him. i just wasn't sure why he needed to connect two unrelated events in a tweet like that. >> harris: he was welcome to bring that up until this happened, perhaps, within that same sphere and i'm not saying that we can't pull ideas at the same time in our head. but the two are not connected. when they come from a former president, it's not like you or i saying that. and i choose my words very carefully on this because we all have lives to go on with yesterday. you know, but that's not what this was about with the president. it felt like the former president leaned in, barack obama, for a political moment. and if he didn't, perhaps he'd like to explain that.

beto o'rourke definitely did that. you know, i remember late last year when the texas tribune was writing how politically damaged beto o'rourke was. he came in, they said, as a weakened candidate because of all of his tries to take a seat in that state after being a congressperson for a short period. thirst for relevance will get you to do these things. i don't think that barack obama needs to do that. he's much more popular in the democrat party than the current president. so maybe there was some other reason why he wanted to tie those two things together. it would interest maybe a lot of us to know exactly what that was. >> kayleigh: yeah, i think that's exactly right. coming up, these are the faces of the 19 children who never made it home from school two days ago. we will share some details about their young lives next. if you're a veteran, own your home, and need cash, call newday usa. i'm tatiana, here to say you can get an average of $60,000 with the newday 100 cash out loan. that's at least 25% more cash than you get at a bank.

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>> harris: as we do on "outnumbered", we want to take time to remember the victims of the horrific tragedy in uvalde, texas. two brave teachers who died protecting their young students. the 19 fourth graders who never made it home from school that day. two pairs of cousins were killed in the shooting. families in total heart broken. and that community, can you only imagine, kayleigh, you have a child who survives as well, but your child knew the ones likely who passed away. i mean, it was a double classroom situation two days ago. they had combined two classes and so that speaks to the higher number of children in that classroom setting. >> kayleigh: that's right, and you can actually see a school picture of those students that i saw and it's a harrowing picture, one publication was "the post" or "daily mail" circled the one that perished

and blurred out the faces of those who survived. you can imagine that little girl whose best friend was killed beside her. one woman in particular, her father was a sheriff's deputy responding to the incident. you can imagine showing up, you're a sheriff and responding to the incident and there's a picture. you can see him and his wife and lexi. he had been at the school hours earlier, she had made the honor roll and got a good citizen's award and took a picture together. next picture you see is this sheriff hugging his wife as they found out his daughter was killed in the very scene he was responding to. his mom said we told her we loved her. that was the last words they shared lexi and would pick her up after school. we had no idea this was good-bye. lexi rubio is another one we're remembering today. >> harris: something we talked about this hour is waiting for the facts to come when it comes to law enforcement especially because we know they had children in that building, some

of them as well and some of them have had heartbreaking loss as kayleigh has described to show grace in this moment, keep cool and wait for the facts. >> chris: friend of mine, darrell scott, lost his daughter rachel in the columbine attack. shortly afterwards when he was going to her things and able to get the courage up to do it, he found a diary of hers where she talked about kindness and reaching out to people. she said in her last diary entry, the kindness has a chain reaction that spreads out to the school. you reach out to someone you do not know. they were going to hurt themselves or doing something awful like this, can have a real impact and change lives. he started a nonprofit called rachel's challenge where he and his brother go around the country and tell the story and reach out to people. and they know they stopped school shootings in the past. it's that kind of thing that just absolutely does change someone's life and it's a beautiful thing that can be born out of a real terrible tragedy. >> harris: you know what? we had him on, kayleigh interviewed him and the beautiful part of what you're saying, chris, is that i now

know two people's lives i didn't even know before are friends with her father and the two of you have lifted up their name in the name of being peaceful and loving in environments around children. that's amazing. morgan? >> morgan: i just was going to say it's been a hard hour to hear these stories. i'm just so grateful to kayleigh, every segment you've brought up one of these families, emily, everybody, you know on the panel. it's been beautiful to remember these children and these parents. we have the lack of empathy problem in this country. we're not going to fix it tomorrow. but let's bring some real mental health solutions that we can come together in a bipartisan manner and pursue. >> harris: can we leave that picture up as i go to emily? >> emily: part of what is just so absolutely heartbreaking, obviously, that the images of these children, the ones that their families have provided media and they're so striking for so many reasons because of

the innocence and the joy that they capture and one in particular struck me, makenna elrod in a cheerleading uniform. alithia ramirez that has her in a t-shirt that says peace out, i'm 10. we mourn alongside their families and pray for them. >> harris: more "outnumbered" in a moment.

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president biden announcing plans to visit the families in the coming days, hoping to heal texas and the nation. stay with fox news for continuing coverage. here is "america reports." >> sandra: and to this fox news alert now in uvalde, texas, we are now awaiting a news conference that could come at any moment. it comes as there are growing questions on the timeline of tuesday's school massacre. families demanding answers on what happened between the time the gunman entered that school and elite border agent shot and killed him. hello, welcome, everyone. sandra smith in new york. >> john: good to be with you on this thursday afternoon, john roberts in washington. this is "america reports." dramatic video showing frustration and anguish of parents outside of robb elementary school on tuesday. watch here.