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made it clear that that's not ground they'll be able to keep if there's an end to this. so the message is unmistakable. the two sides remain as far as apart as ever, and the hope for a settlement, any settlement, anytime soon, not likely, not likely at all. here comes "the five." >> hello, everybody. i'm jesse watters along with judge jeanine pirro, dana perino and greg gutfeld. 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." >> how can these families continue to honor these deaths by keeping the dreams of these children and teachers alive? again, how can a loss of these lives matter? seems that something is
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different. uvalde, texas, where i was born. uvalde is where i learned responsible gun ownership. uvalde called me on may 24th when i learned about the devastating strategy. >> matthew mcconaughy making a passionate plea for gun control, speaking to reporters of the victims of the mass shooting at rob elementary school after meeting with their families and calling on lawmakers to act. >> we need to invest in mental healthcare. we need safer schools. we need to restrain sensationalized media coverage. we need to restore our family values. we need to restore our american values. and we responsible gun ownership. responsible gun ownership. we need background checks. we need to raise the minimum age
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to purchase an ar-15 rifle to 21. we need a waiting period for those rifles. we need red flag laws and consequences for those who abuse them. responsible gun owners are fed up with the second amendment being abused and hijacked by some deranged individuals. >> the actor also imploring congress to find some middle ground. >> we got to get some real courage and honor our immoral obligations and instead of our party affiliations. enough with the counterpunching. enough of the invalidation of the other side. just come to the common table that represents the american people. find a middle ground, the place where most of us americans live anyway. >> all right. what do you think the impact of matthew mcconaughy showing up to the briefing room will be, if anything? >> first, i've gotten to know
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matthew and his wife and family, and he's a sincere person. you know, he genuinely cares about our country. he cares about the american people. so i think this message was delivered in that spirit. i hope it's received in that way as well. i completely agree. we do have to come together as a country. i think there's common ground that can be had where i think we all want to make sure that criminals and those who shouldn't have their hands on guns don't, and that we do not in any way undermine our second amendment rights, those law-abiding american citizens who own guns should not see their guns taken away. >> judge, do you think the things that he laid out just now, raising it to 21, getting rid of sensationalized media coverage, red flag laws, family values, do you think those are a middle ground in the united states? >> absolutely. and i think it was delivered brilliantly. what he did was, he had both the intellectual as well as the emotional pieces combined.
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he did it in a way -- and i questioned what he was doing in the white house briefing room, i really did, but then i realized he did it better than anyone from congress or certainly the president of the united states could do. and he presented things to make everyone feel that they were vested in this. i think he embarrassed congress, when he said, you know what, there's no reason why we can't restore family values, american values, responsible gun ownership. he protected the second amendment. he recognized that mental health is an issue. he was brilliant. he was absolutely brilliant. by the way, when he talked about red flag, which is the difficult pill to swallow for a lot of people, he talked about consequences to those who abuse it. so if you claim someone is doing something, and you're wrong, you do it out of viciousness, you need to be prosecuted. >> yeah, you could drop a dime on someone you hated just to have them investigated, and take their guns away. >> i'm going to do that to you
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first-chance i get. >> you would. i'm a step ahead of you, though,. >> i know, i know. >> somebody is waiting outside, greg. [laughter] >> i did not see that as anything about gun control. i saw that as about the united states. i felt that he had stepped back. it goes back to what we've been saying, you've heard all of those things here at this table about a multifaceted approach, but half of the country or half of the people don't listen to us because we're in our silos. he has the benefit of being outside the silos. he's untethered to any ideology. you can't guess which way he's zigging or zagging half the time. when he talks about middle ground, he's coming from a position of good faith. he's persuading as somebody who can appeal to both sides. i mean, he actually went -- he did the homework. he went out and talked to both sides. a lot of people don't do that anymore. i thought that was interesting. it wasn't about gun control. he was showing how all these things are interconnected. when he said those two things,
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you know, popped out, when he said restrain, sensational media coverage, he's speaking my language, but it's combined with the restoring of family values. he's basically saying we're creating broken kids, right? then they are being amplified by a broken media. and these things all come together. and he also talked about securing schools. that's another part of it. he's able to do something that -- like we could talk about this forever. we're only speaking to the choir. he can bounce from church to church and people pretty much go, oh, he's a movie star, he's a movie star. he's not. he's rare in that he actually -- like he's not a guy who tweets on twitter or something when it happens. like you can tell, hopes and prayers, to go to hell. he actually does the homework. that's why you can trust him, right? see, the thing is, one thing he said -- and i'll shut up -- he was talking about -- it was a great twist. he was tired of the second amendment being hijacked by mad
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mad men. that was a nice twist. you expected him to say gun control freaks or madmen. he didn't address the challenge, but it's in there, that the other side looks at all gun owners the same. that's what creates the mistrust, that we're all painted as rednecks in the back of pickup trucks, trailing people around, vigilantes. what he was saying, overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners. that was a clever and smart move. the republicans should take that, everything he said, build a bill, and beat the democrats, if you want to get political about it. >> yeah. maybe tomorrow he'll come out and do a press briefing on gas prices. >> so it's interesting, sometimes when you -- you agree with everything that you've said. sometimes you need a different messenger, because everybody -- all the things that are going to be said on this have been said. people are tuning out the president. even the press secretary, right?
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so she -- she couldn't deliver a message like that. but when you mentioned how genuine he is, so that authenticity comes through. and he also was talking about his hometown. he knows those people. like when california first started going downhill, it's super personal to you. you know that. the criminal justice system, for you and the military, for me ranchers and farmers. >> jesse and his hair. >> i was trying to think of one for him. i would say, though, with children. like when you talk passionately about children. so you have somebody who in matthew mcconaughy can say, "here's my personal experience." you need somebody that can say, we know there's a vast center, and that they feel they're not being heard, they don't have a
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voice, because there are extremes on both sides that are getting most of the media attention. so it's very -- under the circumstances very interesting. i think the white house made a good decision, either by inviting him, or maybe accepting his request to come. i don't know exactly how that happened. it was a good thing to do. >> by the way, how did you meet matthew mcconaughy? what was that like? >> it was great. i had dinner with him and his wife and kids. it was really special. they were out in hawaii. wonderful family traditions. everyone going around the table and saying what are you grateful for, the kids. and they surf a lot. the kids love to surf. they spend a bit of time out in hawaii. >> take note of how she says "hawaii." >> coming up next, a huge day of primaries in america as democrats face a possible referendum on their radical policies.
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♪♪ ♪♪ >> it's another big day of primaries in america as some democratic policies get put to the test. voters in seven states will give us a clue as to what's on the minds of americans setting the stage for what's going to happen five months from now in the midterms. cnn's data guru seems to be getting more confident of a red wave. watch here. >> since 1938, the republican two-point lead on the generic congressional ballot is the best position for republicans at this point in any midterm cycle in over 80 years. it beats 2010 when republicans were up a point. it beats '14, 2002, 1998, where democrats led by a point. in all of those four prior examples that make this list of the top five, look at that, who won a majority? it was the republicans who won a majority. >> and signs that the blue wave could be crashing big time in california thanks to rising crime and homelessness. two of the nation's most liberal cities could send a message. los angeles holding its mayoral
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primary today, where tough on crime billion and ex-republican rex caruso face off against karen bass. and far left san francisco district attorney awaiting the vote. i know you don't like to talk about the red wave. >> it's a jinx. >> are we seeing more of a sign of what could happen in the house, and maybe even. senate as well? >> i don't want to say it, dana, but i think the republicans will do well in the senate. i'm looking at california tonight, because, my god, they have suffered such a brain drain over the last couple decades. the wealth has been walking away. you have now people, the other 49 states, that are crazy dreamers trying to go to hollywood, migrate there, the crusty crabs, their brains are fried from the sun. these people have dominated california. they have a supermajority there. it's a mess. do i think california is going to turn it around? i'll believe it when i see it.
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i was happy to see the spirit they showed when they shook off the crazy san francisco school board morons that tried to rename the lincoln school because he was a racist. the radical da, i'm not sure. newsom, that recall didn't stick. this summer you'll probably see brown-outs, blackouts, $10 gas, you can only water your lawn every tuesday. you can't even use a gas grill or oven or something like that. they're far gone. the only thing is, it's such a beautiful state, with sublime coast lion. california is like a hot girl that's dumb and dangerous. let me explain. you stay with her because she's beautiful, but she's also going to bankrupt you or probably get you hurt. that's where californians are right now. how much pain tolerance can they sustain? it's not if someone wins tonight that's a republican. they're not going to turn it around in one election.
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they are so set back decades that it's going to take a long time to figure it out. they're not going away quietly. you think that entrenched unions and these radical nitwits are going to let republicans take over and start ruining their little paradise? of course not. look what they did to larry elder. poor guy. they said he was the plaque face of white supremacy, and dressed up like monkeys and threw eggs at them. >> does the hot girl in california have a criminal record? [laughter] >> i could see that thought in his head pulsating. "california is like a hot girl, a lot of trouble." yeah, that will work. there's always an oppositional wave based on the house. the red wave is not achievement. that's your baseline. that's like signing your name on the s.a.t.s, where they spot you 400 points. if you don't get more than 40 seats, you blew it. oh, yes. >> a point for signing your
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name? >> yes. >> i didn't know that. >> i'm not concerned about what the republicans will do if they win, but maybe this will get -- i'm more hopeful that the dems might wake up from this wokism, this hallucination, they're unconscious to the rest of america, but they still listen to the crazy demands of the hard left. i want a normal democratic party, because it's good for america, and it's good for the republicans, too, to have a sensible opponent. i have an analogy. all right? this is how it works. >> you need to hold her hand? >> see, i choose nutrition. >> this will get us suspended. the modern democratic party is embracing wokism like an overweight smoker who doesn't exercise but embraces idiotic fads. "i'm going to drink my bath water because of --" i was going to say something else.
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they're doing a woke cleanse. it's killing them. it's time to let go. >> there's a piece in the "washington post" today -- i can't remember who wrote it -- that said that maybe losing the midterms would not be a terrible thing for the democrats. what do you think? >> yeah. i think that there are serious lessons that need to be learned here, because more than one woke policy or another right now, i think the bigger thing we've got to look to is this governing attitude coming from the democratic party where essentially they see themselves as the kings or the rulers, and we are their subjects, we exist to serve them and their interests, rather than what it should be, which is the other way around. they're saying, "hey, we're going to tell you what you can say and what you can't say, what is information, misinformation, what is true and false, and if you don't fall in line we'll censor you, ostracize you, push you off to the side." i think across the board we're sick and tired of being treated
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like we're stupid or children or idiots, just being so condescended too. i hope for the country's sake, this shifts, we have leaders in our deposit who actually exist for the purpose of serving the people rather than the other way around. >> judge, when you look at -- especially in california -- how do you crime factors in? because homelessness and the drug problem in california was up at the top two, including as well as inflation. >> well i think that -- look, there are primaries tonight. okay? these primaries will foretell what's going to happen in the midterms. i think crime is number one. i think that chesa boudin will
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be recalled. the killing of george floyd, the criminal justice system worked, but not enough for these people. what the leftest progressives decided to take the criminal justice apart. it wasn't broken, but to them, that one case proved to them, irrespective of the numbers of african americans unarmed killed by police as opposed to african americans killed by other african americans, that had nothing to do with it. they side they were going to break the criminal justice system. now everyone in california is living with it. i think that crime is going to be number one, right? or number two probably. the economy will be in front of that. people can't live with homelessness, drug addiction, all kinds of -- in san francisco alone, you've got homicides up 36%. motor vehicle theft 37%. arson 37%. that's since that da, chesa
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♪♪ ♪♪ >> jimmy carter called and he wants his presidency back. the white house is reportedly worried about the strong parallels that exist between joe biden and former president carter as more voters notice it's the '70s all over again. americans are waking up to new record high gas prices. the nationwide average is almost at $5 a gallon. inflation is taking a major bite out of everyone's budget. 83% of americans say the economy is poor or not so good under biden. while things are looking dire for joe, he's finding some support out there. >> i think what president biden saved the economy. they came back with covid
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packages that put money in the economy. the economy is not doing bad at all. it's time for democrats to take credit for good things out there, and there is a lot of it. >> greg, for some reason, i think there's a disconnect between what that guy was saying and the fact that americans are feeling, 83% of them, that the country is certainly going in a bad direction, and they're not feeling good about the economy. he says what president biden has done was really to save the economy. they came in with a covid package. >> clearly this guy doesn't drive, doesn't know the prices of things. it's like the white house response when, you know, "sorry, we can't help you. as far as we can tell, things are great, so it might be you. it could be you." the white house is run like a telemarketing if i were. it's like they call you when they need your business, but never pick up after you already paid and you got the package and it's all broken and it takes you
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forever. i still love their strategy of coming up with impossible expectations like "it's not like we have a switch to turn on the baby food machine," because there's one. "it's not like there's a dial, can push a button, to end crime. it's not like you can wave your magic wand to solve inflation." these are things they do to excuse their failure. the other presidents didn't have a button but still got it didn't. >> there was the diet coke button. >> that's right. dana, this morning gas prices were up again. but the democrats keep trying to paint the rosy picture. the american people kind of get it with the polling. >> yeah. so i'm trying to think of something that they could do in their current situation. i mean, i know what i would do. all the things that we would say.
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obviously do more -- allow for more drilling, relax the regulations, all those things. they're not willing to do that. i was reading mark halpern "wide world of news" column, and one thing that's true, if you think things are bad now, if we don't do things that are more to the left, your numbers will go down even more, because the only thing holding you up right now is the far left progressive hoping you'll do student loan relief or something on climate change, etc. i don't think there's anything communications-wise they can do that will solve this. it's a policy problem. and i think -- as americans, human beings, we like to compare to something in the past. i actually think the situation we're in right now is much worse than the '70s. >> you know, jesse, one of the things they talk about is putting more money into the economy, you know, that would
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save all of us. >> yeah. spend more, and that will help the dollar. what carter did in the '70s to get us out of the energy crisis, it's 10 times more than what biden did. he put a pipeline through alaska, tried to get us off our depends on foreign oil and went green. all of those things are, like, actual substantial things you could do as president. the joe biden has just tinkered around the edges. he wants to blend more ethanol into the gasoline, which will raise food prices. he's canceling pipelines. he's actually making us more dependent on foreign oil when he goes and begs the saudis to pump more. people like to say to jimmy carter is the worst. president of all time. at least carter was smart. gingrich reminded me that carter graduated from the naval academy, a nuclear submarine guy. he actually had a brain on his
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shoulders. biden does, and it's sad. >> that's his title, "nuclear submarine guy." >> and also former president. >> the white house they say is in a panic. they're stressed. what should they do? >> first of all, stop thinking about yourself and think about getting things done for the american people. i think that's the first problem, they're concerned about how they look. second of all, they've got it completely wrong. biden will be remembered as being worse than jimmy carter, because they're talking about gas prices, inflation, how things are bad then and now. they're ignoring the fact that carter's policies didn't fast-track us into a new cold war, a place where we're closer to a nuclear war now than since the cuban crisis. the list goes on and on. i wish the president of the united states and white house
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breaching their agreement by not providing data he's requested about the spam and fake accounts. dana, you are batting 100% on referencing something you read in every block. i could go back and do what you read in the a-block, peggy noonan, c and b block. the d block, what did you read? >> matt levine of bloomberg has been following it, super skeptical of this deal. he has been from the beginning. he said, i don't understand how this is going to come to fruition and end. however, i will quote charlie gasparino, said, "what's twitter going to do? it's a $20 stock," is what he said. if he comes back and says "i'll give you 28," the board will have to eat it.
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>> you heard it from dana perino. filthy lady. isn't he doing when anybody should do something, check under the hood? that's kind of what he's doing. >> absolutely. all the attention is being focused on this because it's elon musk, and also because of why he's doing this, right? as a, quote, unquote, free speech absolutist i think people recognize how much it's needed, how dangerous we have people in our government working with big tech and many in the mainstream media to essentially advance like a specific narrative. it's a de facto propaganda department. if you are not in line, then you will be censored. i saw this with my presidential campaign. google suspended the ad accounts. i was the most searched candidate. they suspended the account when people were looking for me most. last month, instagram shadow banned me. there's so many examples of this. the real danger is it's a threat
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to a marketplace of our ideas and democracy. i hope he looks you knowed the hood. he hope he continues. twitter is one example, but obviously it's a larger issue and hopefully others will kind of take heed. >> yeah. you know, judge, what's funny, and a problem for twitter, the guy who bought twitter is also an engineer. it's like for a rich billion billionairebought this, you canr way out of anything, but an engineer and philosophy major it's hard to get stuff past him. >> well, yeah. his claim is they are reactively resisting and thwarting to find out how many bots there are. he says, if they don't give him this information, then he can terminate the deal. this, however, when you peel back the layer of the onion, it appears that he waived the rights to due diligence. therefore they can sue him and force completion of the acquisition. so, you know, you've got that
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piece. so you've got a really legal case here. what my concern is, is that if they're not giving him the ability, as you call it, to look under the hood, then they are not meeting their fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders. the shareholders are the ones who are supposed to be making money here. i think even the biggest part of all of this is that we need him to buy twitter. we need musk to be able to buy something where people have a chance to communicate and talk about things with, like,-minded people, and not be shadow-banned, not be banned and eliminated from any discussion. >> that's true. you know, jesse, as we mentioned before, you care about the children, probably care more about the children than anybody i've ever met in my life. >> easily. >> if elon sticks to twitter, is that good or bad for the children? >> i'm going to do something different in this segment. i'm not going to pretend like i know what i'm talking about.
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[laughter] all i know is when i go on twitter i'll see' mainstream account with 7 million followers. they'll lay down a tweet and it gets 12 likes. that tells me the whole place is a bot farm. that's all i know, it's a bot farm. maybe he did waive the due diligence thing. maybe he can he should have kicked the tires too early. i don't know. maybe he could have gotten a better deal. what do i know? >> not much, jesse. i admire you for that. maybe he bought the bot farm. ooh, that's fun with language, america. see what i did there? "bought the bot farm"? try it at home. say good-bye to embarrassing text messages. a possible game changer for typos and texting the wrong person coming up.
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>> here's some good news if you're one those people who's ever sent a bad text message, or you regretted it or made a mistake. apple plans to let iphone users unsend or edit messages in their latest software update coming this fall. here's the catch. you only have 15 minutes to act or unsend or edit. what does this mean if you're one of those those people who ends up in a chaotic argument in a group chat, or even worse yet a family group chat? i know i've sent accidental text messages to other people that i wish that i could unsend. hey, sorry, that was meant for somebody else. greg, word on the street, this is a habit for you, that you text or call certain people thinking they're actually someone else. >> no. that's never happened. i don't know who's feeding you these lies. >> i got my intel source. >> i bigger solution would be a breathalyzer on your phone. >> there you go. >> that would save so many risky
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posts and texts that happen after liquid courage. i think the more dangerous thing is the auto correct, because the auto correct makes it worse, taking things that you're saying and flips it. i always flips dave into have. that changes everything, especially if you're talking about a skin condition. >> how about you, jesse? this is something you're unfamiliar with. >> i wish my mother had this. i got some nasty messages. i have a question, though. you send the text, you're within the 15 minutes,ist that mean the receiver of the text, will they have seen what you sent and then you can go back and edit it? >> that's crazy. >> they see what you said, and you go back and edit it, it's not the same. >> it's like a secret stealth edit after an article comes out in the "washington post." >> right. i think the idea is if you send
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it and it's read immediately you can't. if it's not read you have those 15 minutes. however, here's the other catch, is if i send you a message, i've updated to the new operating system, you have not, and i unsend it, i'll think you didn't see it, but you'll still see it. you got to have both sides -- >> i think it would be most useful for things like when you spell "your" y-o-u-r but you meant "you're." >> that's annoying. >> judge, how about you? >> the prosecutor in me doesn't want any of it thrown away, because in order to prove my case i have to prove they admitted there was a confession, and they shouldn't be able to take it back. i don't care who's on it, 15 minutes?
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"episode for a rock star." and point pleasant beach, new jersey, signing copies of his book. just go to the little point book shop. there's little thing there. you have to buy a ticket, get the book, get it signed. i'll see you there too. the. >> i have a bone to pick with someone at the table. is it you? is it you? is it you? someone at this table insulted table, near and dear to my heart. run it. >> i do yell at jesse's staff because they're loud about nothing. all they do is they talk about movies they haven't seen. i swear to god, one of these days i'm going to record it and play it on the show. >> the volume of the staff just got 10-decibels higher. >> can't possibly be that. they're all, like, in their
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defense, so they have no life experience, so all they do is talk about things they haven't done yet. >> maybe everybody needs their own floor. >> get out of the office. >> i work here. >> exactly. >> greg, you're up. >> oh, okay. tonight, speaking of great entertainment, look at this, this is the old red eye fans are going to love this. i have the return of patty anne brown. mike baker. this is going to be a lot of fun. it's like a reunion. let's do this. greg benefits of being tiny. the if you're a little person, a lot of people make fun of you, but an advantage is if you're chased by larger things, ha-ha, who survives? check out this little dog behind the couch. oh, yeah. the there's no way that -- [laughter] i do this all the time on the subway. i'll just, like -- >> like you and jesse. >> except i let him catch me.
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all of our role-playing has gone for far. if you're going do a video, maybe do a makeover of your den. >> really? i own that rug. >> you own more than that rug. >> oh, okay. >> judge? >> fellow, get in the house. >> okay. now, earn who's my poodles know they are the sweetest, but as sweet this is they are a couple of them aren't so sweet. here they are stalking a raccoon doing a tightrope act across bamboo in my backyard. that's ted and stella on the ground. red was in front, sunning. but the poodles didn't take kindly to the raccoons. can you zoom in on the raccoon? >> did you get any video of this? >> yeah. there's a raccoon on the high
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wire in my bamboo. >> did you get approval for the video? >> no. the raccoon didn't pay rent. that's enough. >> and the she shed you own, that's nice. >> thank you. >> dozens of world war veterans made the trip to normandy on monday to commemorate the 78th anniversary of the d-day landing. our military veterans were greeted by incredible rounds of applause and welcome and american flags waving at the american cemetery overlooking the beach. troops from canada, britain and american soldiers stormed that beach. we observed the anniversary yesterday. it's so powerful to know that there are still veterans from that assault who went there back to normandy, who still shared their experiences, their memories.
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i had a friend who's also a veteran who was there. he was just overwhelmed by the support from the local community, how many people were there. he said he said more american flags there than he saw in his own community here at home. >> my grandfather was at normandy, stormed the beach at normandy. >> great to have you. >> yeah. >> "special report with bret baier" is up next. >> good evening. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier inflation is expected to remain high. the biden administration is planning to try to drive prices down, but solutions on exactly how to do that appear to be at a premium. this comes on the same day as a hollywood cameo in washington's push to pass new legislation, actor and uvalde matthew mcconaughy making
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