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ran inside the paper at the new york times. mine, the media devote far more coverage and mustered far more outrage over the johnny depp/amber heard trial. this guy told police he traveled from california to kill kavanaugh because he was mad about the leaked roe v. wade draft opinion. even if he did call cops and say he was suicidal, effectively turning himself in. would the tone of the coverage have been slightly different if an armed conservative had been arrested near home of, say, sonia sotomayor? even liberal bill maher said the times buried it because they just wear their bias on their sleeve. i'm not going to blame this on rhetoric by democrats. that's sort of finger pointing both sides have long indulged in, but with i do blame a leader of the protests at kavanaugh's home for posting his address online are. i'm howard kurtz, and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ the. ♪ ♪

howard: ahead, former congressman devin nuñes join withs our discussion of in the story as well as this: house democrats held their first hearing on january 6th in what the media relentlessly touted as a blockbuster prime time show. >> but for donald trump, that was only the beginning of what what became a sprawling, multistep conspiracy aimed at overturning the presidential election. howard: there was a brief clip of the president's daughter saying she agreed with bill barr who said a the election fraud charges were bull. >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr, so i accepted what he said, was saying. howard: the hearings didn't have much that was new. the most dramatic moments involved previously unseen footage of the riots and moving testimony from carolyn edwards who was everyone injured twice on that range are thetic day.

-- tragedy thetic day. >> these were decent people. the crowd was unbelievable. and i mentioned the word love. the love, the love in the air, i've never seen anything like it. >> there were officers on the ground, you know, they were bleeding, they were throwing up, they were the, you know, they had -- i mean, i saw friends with blood all over their faces. howard: and the media reaction ranged from mostly high praise to tough criticism. >> this takes what was a powerful opening before, and i think, brings it right to the doorstep of the former president. >> this was a war being made upon the united states by the president of the united states. >> the focus seems to be the target of president trump, and he looks really bad in this presentation. >> stunning first night here. shocking new video. emotional live testimony the. taped testimony from people chose to the former president. >> we see that this all of these members were selected by nancy

pelosi. they were all pick by a democrat. it's not the like, you know, picking teams in kickball. >> it is a made for tv smear campaign against president trump featuring sliced and diced video that fits their predetermined political narrative from the very beginning accompanied by the biggest trump haters on capitol hill. howard: joining us now to analyze the coverage, ben domenech, editor at large of the spectator. and in new york, liz claman, host of "the claman countdown" on fox business network weekdays at 3 eastern. ben, are most of the media praising in the because, however it came off a, most journalists and pundits agree with the message, the riot was donald trump's fault and he is guilty of inciting an insurrection? >> i think that's true, howie. that's why the media is leaning into this so hard. frankly, i think the real question is, does this hearing work? and from a legal perspective, i think as jonathan turley has notedded, it really doesn't work

because they weren't able to find some way of getting at president trump, at former president trump in a way that would, you know, prevent him potentially from running for president again. they haven't proven that legal case. so does it work as a politics? i don't really think it does either, and one of the reasons is, this had so little new information. most of this the had been leaked in advance. and even as tv the, whether you think it's propaganda da or whether you think it's a show, i don't think that it actually changes the minds of any of american people. you heard the conservative perspective, i think, this week from washington dethe fencive coordinator jack del rio who basically drew the comparison between what happened on january 6th and the summer of riots after george floyd. most independents, their issues don't include january 6th. of mostly, this is designed to gin up support from progressives and 'em do accurates. howard: yeah, and that washington football coach got fined $100,000 for calling it a

cus-up. liz, i thought the first 45 minutes were flat because it was mostly speechifying by bennie thompson and liz cheney saying we're boeing to tell you this and that with very little showing or telling. >> well, yeah. and i would just simply say this: you see a lot of the media applauding how it was put forth, but probably -- [laughter] if you ever see a lot of these congressional hearings, they're the usually absolutely deadly. you have all these opening statements, people are so boring. and it's great to play congressmen andwomen trying to get the most face time. in this case once you got beyond those two opening statements, you got to the video, it was, a hey, what have you guys been doing for the last 18 months. so people were presented with a strung the-out focus of the ed, and you saw the video -- evidence. and you saw people, you saw people using crutches and flag poles as weapons, attacking law enforcement who were desperately

trying to protect the capitol. and i think pretty much at least it put -- kind of ended and dispelled the whole point of president trump's these were loving, wonderful people or at least one republican congressman said tourists. tourists i know do not look like that. howard: right. >> from a pure standpoint of the layout, sure, it would get applaud by the media. i'm not surprised by that. howard: ben, what would have been the huge headline, i think, is testimony to the committee, we don't know from whom or the town the, trump supposedly said is mike pence maybe should be hanged. but there was leaked testimony from the committee. >> one of the big things i think we've seen time and again from these congressional attempts to push these democratic9 narratives is that they've the been tripping over themselves to leak everything in advance or to promise evidence that they don't necessarily end up coming up with, you know? blockbuster material that doesn't always fit the frame. and i think that that the that's

something we saw coming out of both adam schiff's committee and jerrold nadler's committee and the like. one thing you also saw, of course, was republican members tripping them up and advancing their narrative. you didn't see that this time around because nancy pelosi chose not to even allow those kinds of competing voices in the room. howard: every single member, including the two republicans, was anti-trump. it did the cake away some of the drama. with one side -- the take away some of the drama. nevertheless, liz, the hearing us wasn't aimed at journalists, people like me who have to follow every dot and dash of this for a living. it was, the question is would it reach casual viewers with a compelling narrative who who don't follow it aha closely, and i guess i would ask, are people so entrenched after a year and a half that do you think many minds were changed? >> no. i would point to two points. you know, you talk about where were the revelations?

it's hard not to see the president's daughter, who was his staunch defender and his staunch supporter, come out and say, wow, i agree with bill barr, the attorney general who said this trump narrative that the election was stolen was b.s. and there was no "there" there. hard not to see her saying she agreed -- well, that was a revelation, howie. and to see that on video for the first time was significant and also to see bill barr. we had already heard he had called it be. s., but he's on track and on video saying that. did that change any minds? i'm not sure, i doubt it. people have come down on their sides. but to see that sort of narrative put out there and the actual evidence and the new video and, certainly, that one capitol the police officer talking about officer as slipping in their own blood, you know, the republicans are known as the party of the police, to support the police until what? until that day? you know, you've got to really

kind of be consistent in that view. howard: just to show that nobody gets away with criticizing the former president, even a family member, donald trump put out a statement saying vanning ya -- ivanka trump had long since checked out and that she was trying to be respectful toward bill barr. are the mainstream media so invested in these hearings and blaming january 6th on the president that they essentially can't say, well, it fell short or is dull, we knew most of this because it does kind of match the message we've been hearing for a year and a half. and i repeatedly talked about how what a tragic day this was and an attack on our democracy as well as the capitol and things could have turned out worse, but it does seem like there's almost a mind meld between the committee and most concern the i didn't say all, but most of the major media. >> i think the media with absolutely wanted to carry water to the point of it being, as you say, a quote9-unquote, third

impeachment. but the truths is the vast majority of americans who have different priorities, they look at this scene and they see an embarrassing incident, something certainly i think the vast majority of americans including republicans wish had never happened. but they also don't buy into this kind of everything was about to fall narrative that democrats have been pushing, and they really don't believe that our democracy was at stake and that so much of this was a failure of security and, you know, people who got out of control. they don't believe that the guy in the viking hat was about to become our ruling monarch, you know? and that's something that i think, unfortunately, media, you know, went along with this message, they overplayed their hand. it hasn't delivered on the actual promise, and we haven't gotten the answers to still, i think the, a lot of outstanding questions about why security failed that day in such a a significant way. howard: yeah. we'd seen similar footage, but it was a complete and total law enforcement failure. the national guard should have been there. liz, the hearings reached about

19 million viewers. that's not a spectacular number on the broadcast networks, cnn, cbs and fox business networks, your network, fox drew a fair amount of criticism for not carrying the hearings live on the main channel. how important were these partisan hearings in terms of covering the mud? >> listen, it's extraordinarily important when you see exactly what happened. as we said, you know, our police officers being aact thed, not being able -- attacked, not being able to hold the line and, of course, breaching the tinner -- inner chambers, any rational person would say this is not, quote, forget by minor. however, when you're talking about the can decision to carry it and, again, i'm not privy to any decision the, but you can look at it from an audience education stand standpoint audience choice. if you look at it from audience choice, news flash, networks decide all the time to offer

alternative programming. happens all the time. so if you look at what fox diss -- did, they did offer an alternative destination and, howie, they put their top two most respected anchors, bret baier and martha maccallum, on it. on the other side you could say, hold on, audience education. how important is it to put all of the facts out there. i wouldn't sneeze at 20 million viewers because there were another 8 million who apparently viewed the videotape that congress had put out and that the hearing had sort of transpired and all of that. but as bret baier put it, it was a dark day, and as horrendous as it was, you know, not quite an incident. it's a little bit more than that. sure, you want to get that out there, but that's why as a newscaster, i don't make those decisions, i don't have to make those tough its cans, but you could look at it there from two the days. howard: yeah. i think that it would have been better to have it on the biggest platform that fox has. not my decision, of course. so i think it makes a statement

when you put it on another channel, fine network that you work for. by the way, fox news channel will be covering the second hearing, the second house january 6th hearing live tomorrow morning. that, of course, is daytime. ahead, former congressman devin nuñes on the january 6th hearings, but when we come back, did the press fall for the notion that the hill was going to move quickly on some kind of gun measures? ♪ muck finish we've been coming here, since 1868. there's a lot of cushy desk jobs out there, but this is my happy place. there are millions of ways to make the most of your land. learn more at deere.com ...the tower cam for a - hey! folks, we seem to have a visitor. it looks like - looks like you paid too much for your glasses. ...who? anyone who isn't shopping at america's best - where two pairs and a free exam start at just $79.95. book an exam today.

howard: the media always fall into the trap the, a bipartisan significant gang starts negotiating a difficult issue -- in this case, gun control -- and says we could have a deal in the week, and then they hit the inevitabled roadblock and delay any agreement. in the wake of the texas and

buffalo mass shootings, matthew mcconaughey seized the media moment at president biden's invitation. >> responsible gun owners are fed up with the second amendment being abused and hijacked by some deranged individuals. howard: liz are, the media along with most of the country are practically pleading with congress to do the something, even modest stepses, and that made them overly optimistic that there'd the be some action when it comes to guns. >> unfortunately, yes. and there are very few issues, howie, where 80% of the country along with the media really want to see something done. and congress has been completely and totally ineffective. yes, the house was able to pass something that has no chance in the senate of actually being passed, but there is breaking news. around this morning cnn did report the senate negotiators of both parties were rye thing to push for some concern troy -- trying to push for the some type

of legislation as soon as today. again, you don't want to fall into the trap. could it be so watered down that it really doesn't change mig in not if sure, but you have to look at and say, you know, do you really want seriously troubled people of to have accesses to guns? and, you know, very huge percentage of the population says, no, we don't. so, yes, there is some frustration and the media reflects that national frustration. howard: right. and remember, even if this gang agrees, you've got to get 10 republican senators to pass anything. ben, the house passed a bill that banned assault-style rifles and raising the age from 18 to 21 to buy a semiautomatic rifle, and every press story says this will absolutely die in the senate. what the stories don't ask, so what's the point? why didn't the house pass something that might -- >> look, howie, we live in an age that's very different than a long time ago when i worked on the senate side when you had, you know, giants really in the

senate. you had people like ted kennedy, like john mccain and others who could be participants in these types of movements and actually potentially move some kind of compromise proposal forward. now instead we have a lot of senators who just cannot work together. there's too much bad blood, there's not enough trust back and forth. we've seen too many of these deals gone sour, and they view the house as a bunch of extremists who send messaging bills over hard never meant to actually pass. that's what we're seeing again, and i think it's going to be the case until we actually get to the point where these institutions work the way they were intended, trying to find some common ground in order to the move forward. howard: there was heartbreaking from an 11-year-old girl who survived the massacre in you value key. no law can stop the every shooting -- you value key. but six of the last nine mass shootings, awe you probably know, were by men under 21. so what explains gap between the media, democrats, biden, public

sentiment in the polls on the one hand and some are republicans or most republicans who want no changes at all to to gun laws? >> you know, that is right on so many levels here. all government, all sides of our government look weak and ineffective because they can't get it together. is it purchase? -- pressure? is it the national rifle association? is it gun owners who are extraordinarily protective, understandably so, about their right to own a gun? sure. but i am quite sure that most understand exactly what the actor was saying, and he in essence says he has guns, but we don't want somebody on their 18 19th birthday -- i mean, it really sounds absurd -- 18th concern on the able to buy one of these semiautomatics and, you know, unlimited weaponry and armament when, you know, the bullets. it's just, it's very upsetting. people get very understandably upset when ar because the not

stand for assault rifle, it stands for one of the original companies that made these countries. we're talking about semiautomatic weapons and who knows if anything will get done. one thing for sure, we will continue to see these mass shootings, and until it gets personal, i don't know if voters will really care about it. >> mass shooting, that's the key, liz. we have gun violence in america, and it's overwhelmingly handgun violence. that is not going to go away, and that's never going to go away because the supreme court has ruled that this is an individual right. but the concentration has to be on how do we lessen maas shootings. and toe me -- to me, that that has to do with mental health, making sure people are flag for these issues -- howard: it's a tricky -- just briefly, liberal critics say mitch mcconnell authorized these a talks as a way of buying time. memories fade and the country moves on. as happened after sandy hook, nothing gets done. is that a fair political charge? >> i think it's a fair political

charge, but again, i don't think there's -- there's not enough people of gravity there on capitol hill who are really invested in actually changing anything here, and the house cannot be trusted in the hands of nancy pelosi and other democrats who do not actually want to make a significant change. howard: well, this debate will go on and the media coverage will go on until, unfortunately, the next shooting. liz claman, ben.com the 9/11, thank you very much. how did jimmy kimmel handle the president? ♪ ♪

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happensome. [applause] >> well, i have issued executive orders within the power of the presidency on the able to deal with these, everything having to do the with guns, gun ownership -- >> boy, these things just keep coming at you, don't they? i mean, there's no -- what a terrible job you have. [laughter] i mean, what -- i'm glad you're doing it, but boy, oh, boy. howard: joining us now from dallas, steve krakauer. i give jimmy kimmel some credit, but he has a big staff. couldn't they have told him about biden's executive orders and the limits on presidential power? >> yeah, you would think so. look, jimmy kimmel has sort of carved out position right now where he's not really funny like a late night comedian and he's not really serious like a swrowrnlist, he's kind of like a political pundit in a way, very predictable, and that's really what we saw. at the same time the, though, as you mentioned in the intro, i don't know if i blame jimmy

kimmel because at the end of the day, he's an 11:30 host on abc. it's really incumbent on the media to press joe biden to get in front of actual journalists or even political, you know, journalists in a way, you know? get on a friendly interview with like a rachel maddow. even that's too hard. so it's the incumbent on jimmy kimmel? it's a little bit hard for a late night host who doesn't really know what he's doing. howard: yeah. kimmel doesn't make any secret of being an unacken a -- unabashed liberal. having not talked to journalists for some time the, priding took a swipe at the media. >> hook how the press has changed. one of the hinges is, is that it's the very difficult now to have a even, with notable exceptions, even really good reporters, they have to get a number of clicks on the nightly news. so instead of asking a question -- the anyway, everything gets

sensationalizedded. howard: now, it's not that biden doesn't have a decent point, but again, he hasn't talked to msnbc or cnn or the new york times or "the washington post" since he's been present, and he used the kimmel platform to beat up on the press? >> yeah. if anything, maybe that clip was a good example of why he's not doing a lot of interviews. the clicks on the nightly news, what the hell is he even talking about? it's really almost painful and a little bit sad to the watch that. i think the critique does not hold up at all. joe biden has gotten far more, you know, kids' glove sort of coverage from those places, the cmns and new york timess of the world, but as end of the day, oh, jimmy kimmel, you're getting hit by all these things, inflation -- howard: that's the job! >> exactly. and a lot of it is the self-inflicted. so to lash out at media, he's just trying to lay blame, but i'm not even sure he really knows what he's saying in these situations. i don't know if he's really

thinking through, oh, i'm going to have to blame the media with. he barely is in front of the media at all. howard: well, look, i think the strategy of avoiding these interviews is no accident, and maybe his staff is trying to protect him, but coverage has gotten tougher as he's sunk in the pollings. new york times has a story saying many democrats don't want him to run for re-election, but just briefly, steve the, it made little news because it's not really getting seriously cross-examined by an experienced journalist. >> no. it made little news. the only times where biden was most coherent were the statements that he's made that the he says over and over and over again -- howard: yes. >> none of that's new. at the end of the day, what kind of positive spin can you put on a lot of this? he's really kind of hamstrung here unless he can start to make real changes and announcements and proclamations, he's not going to do that. and as you mentioned, the rumblings about what happened many 2024 especially after the

destruction we're about to see in 2022 is only going to get louder. howard: next on "mediabuzz," why is afternoon armed man's -- an armed man's plot to kill a sitting justice of the supreme court earning so little media coverage? devin nuñes on deck.

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howard: as i mentioned, police arrested a man with a gun, a knife and other gear near justice the brett kavanaugh's suburban maryland home. the man had traveled from california for one reason, to kill kavanaugh, but president biden has said nothing about this chilling incident. joining us now, devin nuñes, ceo of the trump media and technology group, former congressman. congressman, this was an admitted assassination plot against a supreme court justice. why was there such muted media reaction? >> well, i think we've come to expect that from the media with, they're just so divided in this country, right? you cover it every week on your show. but i do think we have reached a point where this dark chapter in u.s. history that started with

kind of the hoaxes and the corruption at can doj and all the stuff that i had to deal with in congress, in washington, and we're now at a point where the leaders in this, in the nation's capital the should be clearly stating that this is not okay to be protest testing -- protesting around justices' homes. i can't for the life of me understand why the department of justice is not prosecuting some of these people. it doesn't make any sense. it's very dangerous. howard: merrick garland did say that threats and actual violence against justices strike at the heart of our democracy. president biden has made no statement, and i don't think it would be very is hard to just say, you know, wear the deplore this and so forth. the senate has acted, the house has had this bill for a month. >> well, look, it's one thing to say something about the guy who was trying to asaws mate a justice the, but what i'm talking about is the protests. it's not okay to be protesting --

howard: they're trying to intimidate justices. >> right. to change the outcome. howard: all right. let's talk about the house january 6th hearing thursday night, prime time. you say it was the totally the partisan, and you could certainly make that case given that every member is anti-trump. i be let's go beyond that -- but let's go beyond that the, does that mean the media should dismiss videotaped depositions from the likes of bill barr, jason miller, jared kushner? >> we have numbers now that are in, and you covered -- howard: 19 million, yeah. >> just wasn'ted, you know, to put this in part-time time, the numbers were way could be -- prime time. so i don't with understand how these big corporations spread if across some 20 the different networks when you compare fox news which did not air it live, i mean, just destroyed cnn and msnbc in the ratingsing, right? their direct -- howard: well, msnbc did very well covering this hearing.

obviously, it would appeal to the viewers of that network. but leaving aside the live coverage in terms of covering it day the after day, there's been an argument about is this new, why are we not hearing from the other side. i mean, because it seem to you to be a one-sided show trial? and even if it isn't, that doesn't mean they don't have some evidence. >> it's latest install. as someone who had to play one of the leading roles in the how they build out false narratives -- howard: they being? >> the left. russia hoax. it led to mueller -- howard: well, there was the mueller information. -- investigation. >> right. it was all made for tv. remember, they tried this before during the mole mule -- whole mueller, remember, they were going to bring the mueller report to life even though it was clear there was no involvement between trump and russia. but they continued to push that narrative. they're not allowing the minority party to put on people they that they want, never

happened before in my knowledge, and then they bring in a hollywood producer? if with we did that, if republicans did that when i was in congress, we would be appropriately ridiculed and mocked and and laughed, and we would be forced to shut this down. howard: the produce you are you're referring to is a former abc news president. for example, all those sessions on benghazi, very, very important subject but at the same time, service seen as a way of roughing up hillary clinton. >> yeah, well, look, people were, you know, died in benghaz- howard: yes, i'm not minimizing the importance any way. >> remember also at the same time, those hearings were constructed, democrats had equal time the, right? and in this case, you had a situation where the democrats are essentially paying -- playing judge, jury, prosecution, dedefense all in one, and i just tonight think the american people are going to buy it -- howard: will this flip? everyone expects republicans to

win control of house. they've said heir going to do a bunch of investigations on hunter biden. >> well, look, appropriately so. if you run investigations, are you going to go back to concern -- one of the major roles of congress is oversight, right? we gave the 'em can the accurates equal time the, you know, equal responsibilities, they got to make their case, hay got to do their -- howard: first of all, it's fairer, and it would have been better television, but unfortunately, there was all the political back and forth between ken mccarthy and nancy pelosi. you said on fox that peter-and-a-half slow being held in contempt of congress was designed to boost ratings. that's a pretty serious charge, timing an indictment to help -- >> no, that happened on a frida- howard: what evidence do you have for cause and effect here? >> because i've been within the town for two decades, right? and peter-and-a-half row was not at this -- peter navarro was not at the capitol that day. a very outspoken guy.

the fact that they interviewed some 900 peoples, they hold him in con empty. we always said whenever we would hold people in contempt the, as our experience with eric holder, we knew that once we went down that road, doj wasn't going today a damn thing. and so why you would go after a target of the 900 people, you target for navarro and steve ban morning i think it's just inappropriate. and on a pretty and you lock them up? there's no need for this. and it leads to, like we were talking about earlier, what's happening in this country is not okay. it's not okay the go after these protesters many front of the justices' homes, right? a judge potentially could get assassinated, and it's not okay to be essentially lock aring up people that you don't like. there was no need to lock up peter navarro. you can prosecute him, that's one thing, but to lock him up? come on, that's not okay, and that's what happens in banana remixes. the timing of it, to me, was

fishy, and i think that's real issue here is that, you know, friday night right before these hearings are going to launch. howard: it's one hinge to say timing was specific. but it is a contempt of congress charge which, as we know, is not unusual. congressman devin nuñes, thanks for coming by. >> my pleasure. howard: after the break, are the other cable networks all over these hearings because they miss their anti-trump ratings? that's next. ♪ the. ♪ with best western rewards you get rewarded when you stay on the road and on the go. find your rewards so you can reconnect, disconnect, hold on tight and let go! stay two nights and get a free night. book now at bestwestern.com. we're a different kind of dentistry. stay two nights and get a free night. one who believes in doing anything it takes

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howard: fox news the alert, that bipartisan gang of senators just announced an agreement to the keep schools safe in response to the mass shootings. we're talking the here about mental health resources, support for students, trying to make sure that anybody who's mentally ill can't get their hands on guns. but also an increased investigative period for any buyer under 21 looking into their backgrounds and so forth. let me now go to san diego and bring in laura fink and democratic strategist. i was saying the possess is too -- press is too optimist in, what do you think? and remember, it's still got to get 60 votes in the senate, so it may not pass. >> you can better believe that the senators, chris murphy and john cornyn, were really narrowing the scope potentially on what this covers and getting into those bruising negotiations around specifics. and remember, john cornyn was the one that was able to expand

the scope of background checks and really improve those national databases the last time the he made any progress on gun safety. so this -- it looks like republicans want a win because they don't want to be the beat over the head with this with suburban voters, democrats willing to do just about anything to try to get the ball moved at all on issue. howard: right. obviously, we didn't expect sweeping proposals that president biden had pushed. is there any doubt in your mind that most of the media supports action on gun control, especially -- and i still, it still breaks me up to talk about the elementary school massacre in uvalde, texas. >> well, what most people refer to as common sense gun reform is supported by majorities of every party. 61 is % of republicans in the last poll i saw said that they supported red flag laws, something that doesn't look like it's really on the table in this legislation or will be in a very, very circumscribed way.

so the fact is that the media is reporting and is in lewin with the american public on -- in line with the american public on reporting on a lot of these issues. the stat that is the truly disturbing is that this is number one cause of for children, gun violence. this is a public health issue. so i think you see the media following and reporting on that reality and that narrative. howard: let's turn to the january 6th hearing, that debatn prime i'm to the. the ratings for msnbc have plummeted since donald the trump was president. the audience loved the beating up on trump stuff. do you think that's a factor in the near-constant attention that the january 6th hearing has garneredded? >> 0 million in ratings is -- 0 million in ratingsings is respectabling. the reality is no one was doing in the. the it's certainly not

politically expedient for the left, it's definitely not for liz cheney, and it's absolutely not politically expedient for the networks to be pursuing this. but when you're talking about the cornerstone of our democracy, about the peaceful transfer of power interrupted for the first time in our nation's history, a little accountability for that is incredibly important or we don't have a democracy. and a years-long bipartisan investigation, the results note wore thu, and they are news. howard: well, joe biden's state of the union got 38 million, just to put it in perspective. what about fact that the hearings are not that dramatic because you don't have anybody playing defense. it's a one-sided presentation by anti-trump democrats and two republicans? just briefly. >> well, i don't know that we need defense. and when you look at process by which this committee was put together, republicans wanted to seat jim jordan who is now currently under subpoena by the committee. so when you decide the only

people you want on the committee are actors who are potentially subjects to the investigation, or it really ties the hands of the people that a want to see the truth come out, and that is what we saw this past week. these were thousands of hours of video. these were thousands of -- hundreds of thousands of pages of documents, and and you see that the consistent narrative will be revealed and the facts will be put into the public square. that's the job of the media, and they're doing their job. it's hard to think of a more consequential event in modern american history than a siege on the capitol and a president that seemed to support it. howard: all right. even the most horrible concerns -- criminals are entitled to detention in -- defense in a courtroom. appreciate your perspective, lauer a rah fink -- the laura fink. still to come, how how did "the washington post" newsroom's twitter war heed to to a reporter's -- lead to a

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howard: savannah guthrie was starting her big interview with johnny depp's lawyers when she said this: >> and a quick disclosure, my husband has done consulting work for the depp legal team but not in connection with this interview. howard: okay. michael feldman is a media with consultant, and guthrie did the right thing, but shouldn't she also have given viewerses that information when she interviewed amber heard's legal team the previous week? seems kind of relevant. "the washington post" fired a reporter for insubordination after she continued to attack

colleagues on twitter. let's bring back steve krakauer. steve the, how does twitter sniping, which seems so much like high school, escalate to the point that the washington post felt compelled to fire felicia? >> yeah. this is an hr nightmare that's playing out not just behind scenes, in the newsroom, but for everyone to see live on twitter every single day for what felt like a year, but it was actually about a week. yeah, this was unbelievable to watch. as you mentioned, sally buzbee tried multiple times during this orr keel to squash it. let's -- ordeal. let's talk about the it in the offline. an errant retweet of a bad joke has been suspended for a month without pay, but i guess felicia and others at "the washington post" continued on and on and on, ask and eventually it was too much, and she obviously got fired. to make a quick prediction, i

don't think this is over. the war is just beginning. i don't imagine that she's going to go away quietly on this. i think that what she will now do is turn her attention the, as she's mentioned, unsuccessfully to sue "the washington post." i don't think that's going to to be the end of it. i think we're going to see them again engaged in this. howard: now look, a political writer, dave weigel, she went after him. he's on twitter, and he knows better hand to retweet a demeaning and sexist joke on women, and he did quickly apologize and delete it, she just kept it up, and finally sally buzbee had to play high school principal and say, kids, cut it out. and she continues these tweets against management and other post reporters and staffers who had jumped in. it almost seems like, you know, it got totally out of control. >> it did, yeah. and the most bizarre part of it was the was at one point, it seemed like there was a

directive the, hey, everyone who likes "the washington post," can you tweet about how much you like being here? so delaware felicia got mad at them also, it was just a nightmare playing out in public. howard: right. other papers have had this problem. is this the the new, younger, woke generation that just seems to be able to attack anybody online, and the bosses should just butt out? >> absolutely. i think there is a different mentality about what, you know, what counts for objectivity or just getting your opinion out this. but i think what's really changed is the tools. before twitter existed, that mentality the may have been there, but now we get to see it and live it in realtime, and that really is a big challenge, i think, for the next generation of newsroom leaders too, to say do i let my staff say whatever they want or anything on twitter? howard: right. i agree with respectful criticism even of colleagues, but this got so personal, so brutal, and that's why it's been

a big mess for "the washington post." steve krakauer, thanks for doing double duty. that's it for this edition of "mediabuzz." i'm howard kurtz. check out media buzz meter, my podcast, we hit on the most buzzy topics, as you might expect. lots covered today. we'll see you next sunday. thanks for watching. ♪ ♪ we texted her when we were on our way. she could track us and see exactly when we'd arrive. >> woman: i have a few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: we came to her with service that fit her schedule. >> woman: you must be pascal. >> tech: nice to meet you. >> tech vo: we got right to work, with a replacement she could trust. >> tech: we're all set. >> woman: wow. that looks great. >> tech: schedule now at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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