>> sean: unfortunately that's all the time we have left this evening. as always, thank you for being with us, thank you for making the show possible. please set your dvr so you never miss an episode of "hannity." for news, anytime, anyplace, foxnews.com, hannity.com, and in the meantime, let not your heart be troubled, i can hear laura -- i can hear her already. >> laura: you can hear me? i'm not speaking. i'm not even saying anything and i'm getting blamed. >> sean: that wasn't you? i thought it was you. happy monday, how are you? >> laura: i like the blue on blue combo, that's very fetching, i like that. >> sean: thank you. all right, i will lend you my tie anytime you want. >> laura: you've now hit your limit of complement for the week, no more for you. >> sean: i don't deserve any. >> laura: a looks great. we will pick up where you left off. a great show as always. i more income, this is "the ingraham angle." from a very busy washington tonight, how do you solve a problem like kamala? that's the focus of tonight angle.

bidens code but diagnosis, as mild as it may be, still it triggering event to the d.c. establishment, what if something happens to the president and kamala harris has to step in? this scenario is a terrifying prospect for anyone who's followed her performance over the last few years. in an administration of punch lines, she's in a class by herself. last sunday during a podcast interview where she managed to make the democrats holy grail of abortions sound evermore callous, if that's possible -- watch. >> listen, women are getting pregnant every day in america and this is a real issue, and we need to act with a sense of haste about what is at play, what is at stake. >> laura: there's a baby at play, just to clarify. at least she didn't to the trademark hyena cackle at the end of that, but she was saying -- saving all of that for today in indianapolis where she was nervously avoiding any opportunity for q&a with the

press. >> so in terms of the format, we will let the press in, representatives will say a few words, introduce me, i will say a few words and then we will bid the press goodbye and then we will get into the nitty-gritty of it all. [laughs] >> laura: why is that funny? what wasn't funny was her exchange with the press in poland last month. she was sent there to eastern europe i assume to reassure our allies over ukraine, but the only one reassured by her performance was vladimir putin. >> is the united states willing to make a specific allocation for ukrainian? >> a friend in need is a friend in need. [laughs] >> laura: this is just another in a long line of cringeworthy utterances from rvp. even when they used paid child actors to push some national

initiative the kids couldn't help save her bad acting. >> i just love the idea of exploring the unknown. other things that we just haven't figured out or discovered yet. to think about so much that's out there that we still have to learn, i love that. going to literally see the craters on the moon with your own eyes. with your own eyes! i'm telling you! it is going to be unbelievable. >> laura: those kids should have been paid double for not laughing there. they obviously couldn't risk just putting her with regular kids in an informal setting because lord knows what she would say. this is how she defended teaching kindergartners about sex and gender identity in public schools. >> we are going to stand up against a law that says don't say gay, basically restricting kindergartners and third grade teachers in florida -- teach with that is important to understand.

>> laura: teachers should be able to love openly? and to think that i thought reading, spelling, arithmetic, that was what five, six, 7-year-olds were supposed to be learning. i'm totally out of it. for the democrats, having a woman is utterly incompetent as harris as vice president is fraught with political peril and of course for the country, it's a national security nightmare. if harris has to take over as commander in chief, marinate in that for a moment, china is going to take taiwan in about 3. the most important security issue facing america on the phone, comb front of courses are open border, the white house put her in charge of it. in june 2021, friend the reporter asked her a simple question about the issue. >> do you have any plans to visit the border? >> and here in guatemala today. at some point -- you know, we are going to the border. with into the border, so this whole -- this whole thing about

the border, we've been to the border. we've been to the border. >> you haven't been to the border. >> at haven't been to europe. >> laura: if any one answer effectively entered her political career i would say that should be it. limit her to carefully choreographed events. >> every american, no matter income, should be able to afford high speed internet. right now the cost of internet is fully covered for millions of americans. call 877-384-2575, or if you have access, go to getinternet.gov. >> laura: this isn't fair. if this whole monologue isn't -- he got the number right, okay? but joe would have with that. there are though i should say a few lonely fans of harris out there. frank in "new york times" column contends that more people would appreciate her many talents if

only the white house gave her more to do. there's little evidence that the white house feels much of the urgency felt by general eisenhower to enhance the role and preparedness of the person who might inherit the presidency at any moment. a historian wrote that, comparing kamala to richard nixon. yeah, just like ike and nixon, if nixon was actually known to sound like a total bobblehead. kamala's lips move and words come out, she manages to say absolutely nothing. >> when we discussed this issue and when we contemplate what it means, understand that it could have a profound impact on just about everyone in our country. dominic who has any association or interest or concern about these various issues. >> laura: see what i mean? they've been shrinking her

portfolio because they don't like her personally. they are doing it because she's terrible. she's relegated to save appearances or interviews with those groundbreaking journalists at glamour, the scam, something called refinery29, that was on her portfolio today. so also ask yourself this: if democrat insider spot vice president harris was the future of the party, why would she be burning staff at the current rate she's burning it? on social media, they call this the exodus. here's a list and counting. these are minor figures. these people are her senior staff. national review put it plainly. if your a kamala harris fan that feels like she's being snubbed, ignored, shunted aside or underutilized, it's not the g.o.p. or fox news. this is all on biden or at least biden's senior staff. they don't like her, they don't respect her, they know she's a drag at an already dragged down president. we all know why biden selected her in the first place down.

>> president biden: i commit that i will in fact appoint a -- i picked a woman to be vice president. there are number of women who are qualified to be president tomorrow, i would pick a woman to be my vice president. >> laura: it was more important for biden to achieve a first, the first female woman of color as vice president, than to actually pick someone for his or her experience and intellect. now the democrats in the country are in serious -- so how do you solve a problem like kamala? well, there's no easy answer, but i can assure you that the senior democrats in this town are spending a lot of time racking their brains about what to do. as providing himself, having kamala a heartbeat away from the presidency may actually have been an ingenious move. governor desantis has a theory. >> i thought biden picking her first was like the worst decision ever, she's not great, but she's like the best impeachment insurance and 25th amendment insurance anyone can have, because as bad as biden's,

even though he can barely read the teleprompter, and is much as people disapprove of him, nobody wants harris. >> laura: and that's "the angle." joining me now is stephen miller, former advisor to president trump, and also ben domenech, editor at large of the spectator and fox news contributor. stephen, do you think that they were trying to hobble her early on when they get for the border assignment? >> i think they knew early on, we've all figured out, which is that she is horrendously incompetent, totally useless, has the speaking skills at best of a first grader for being generous and has absolutely no ability to do anything useful whatsoever. and since they knew -- it's very sick, but they knew the border was going to be in a never-ending state of crisis, they figure they might as well laid out on her, even though of course we know that joe biden and this will the administration have the entire border disaster on their hands and conscious buried

>> laura: in politico today they say that paris plots her next move, more aggressive volley in the abortion-rights arena. i mean, is that going to catapult her into i guess being as close to richard nixon in intellect -- >> what you don't appreciate about this moment is the importance of the passage of time. the passage of time -- the vice presidency -- look, you can assign the vice presidency to being a warm bucket of spit, but as you look at the various vice presidents who have held this role over the years, many of them have been very important in terms of assisting the president that they have worked with, including richard nixon, including his role for dwight eisenhower, but when it comes to kamala, she's not just on important to this administration. she is the grab bag for everything that they don't want to deal with, including the border, including all of these other things that are supposed to be on her portfolio that she's not going to deal with. no one has faith in her as being

a potential replacement for joe biden, and as it becomes clear that he is someone who is completely incapable of fulfilling the role of the presidency, and that 2024 is just looming on the horizon, you're going to see more and more democrats start just question her, start to try to figure out how can we possibly replace or in terms of the next person to step up. >> laura: i think that's right, and people are talking about well, is going to be trump or some other person, there's a fight between the established end of the populace -- and that's true, so republicans have a challenge to try and figure this all out, they have a real -- they have -- biden can't run, nobody wants them, and nobody wants kamala, so guess who's next? years our secretary transportation diving into the hot-button issue -- is this transportation? watch. >> our marriage deserves to be treated equally, and i don't know why this would be hard. if they don't want to spend a lot of time on this, they can vote yes and move on and that

would be really reassuring for a lot of families around america, including mine. >> laura: i mean, you can't turn the dial without seeing him on every show, weekends -- he is seven days a week on television, so if they could put kamala out there, they would, stephen. we have airline issues. not really this portfolio, but we have baby food shortages still. >> supply chain. >> laura: supply chain. the big thing going on at the ports in california. and this guy is about well, let's talk about me. this is unbelievable. >> you got the supply chain crisis, we have the airline crisis, we have the infrastructure crisis and all they can do is put pete out on tv and either talk about his own marriage or talk about how roads in america are racist and our bridges are bigots buried >> laura: is either plan c? >> he's plan f, gee, h -- who knows how far down the list. their team, their roster is so incompetent. donald trump would mow through all of them. the reality is that whether it's biden or harris or pete buttigieg or gavin newsom, look at the catastrophe of

california, crime, drugs, homelessness, look at chicago. the democrat party is in a complete state of crisis because they don't have one viable national leader. >> laura: they're never going to admit that liberalism doesn't work, right? so they're going to keep finding a slick messenger. if that's what gavin newsom is kind of rising to the top of the heap, because he's kind of slick. >> you just have to automatically raise somebody up with their teeth are that shiny. it's one of these things were you look at pete -- >> laura: you should do your hair like an. >> i probably should. but here's the thing, when you look at pete, what you hear from him is so much leaning into this kind of culture war animosity that says, you know, republicans are bigots. guess what? when barack obama ran for president, he was someone saying that marriage was between a man and woman. it was donald trump who was coming along and being the first president to say actually, you know, i'm okay with this, so maybe you should recycle this kind of bigotry, this kind of

approach to culture war dynamics through reality in order to understand that actually we really more care about whether you are delivering on what your job is for americans as opposed to engaging in this kind of hot button culture war issue in order to try to raise your hierarchy within this ridiculous circumstance of replacement for kamala. >> laura: they are grinding up biden, they're grinding up kamala, they're going to grind through pete buttigieg, i think they will keep going until they find someone was a better messenger for liberalism. so good to see you in person, both of you. nancy pelosi's planned trip to taiwan is a rare moment of truth for the speaker. the looming battle against china in the single greatest struggle for human rights worldwide. the acquiescence to a murderous regime is a stain on the legacies of bush, clinton, obama, and biden. pelosi could actually set herself apart from all of them. so why should she listen to those mourns of the pentagon who don't want her to go? >> do think it's a good idea for

speaker pelosi to travel to taiwan? >> well, i think that the military thinks it's not a good idea right now. >> laura: really? they thought the taliban was going to back down too, right? the next guest even volunteered to go with nancy pelosi to taiwan, so is she serious about bipartisanship? joining me now, mike pompeo, former secretary of state, fox news contributor. esther secretary, have you heard from the speaker since you made your offer? >> thank for having me on. i have not heard from her. it was a little bit tongue-in-cheek in that i prefer to travel with lots of other people, but having said this, this is about america. if the speaker of the house now allows some second rate foreign diplomat saying we might do something really hot in america, the third highest-ranking federal official says you can't come here. we acquiesced to that threat, we are in for a long decade here in

the united states of america. president biden needs to get serious, defend the things that matter to the american people from california to new york, to for to come to washington, to allow the chinese to just issue a statement and change the direction, change the actions that the united states will take, because we are fearful of them. we are in for a long struggle, and it will not end well with that kind of failed leadership. >> laura: so what message does it send if we allow china to dictate the travel of the woman who is third in line for the presidency? what message does that send to them? >> it tells everyone of our allies in the region, the japanese, south koreans, the osterman's, it says don't hang with the americans, they are fearful, and it tells our adversaries, you mentioned afghanistan, certainly the same thing happened in ukraine as well. we said a minor would be okay. when you're not strong -- this is a tough, nasty world out there. what is the greatest threat to the american people today, the chinese, his party, demonstrate weakness, they are going to walk through the fire and they are

going to make life really difficult for us. it doesn't need to be that way. we are the most powerful nation in the world, we have an economy that is unrivaled. we can beat them, we can win this, we can continue to have another 250 goodyear's for america but speaker of the house was going to travel to a sovereign nation, the nation of taiwan and china said we don't think she should go, you go okay, never mind, where in a quicker center, that's a bad and dangerous place to find yourself buried >> laura: it is so unbelievable i can even believe we are having to talk about it, but speaking about washed up pentagon talking heads, here's retired army general barry mccaffrey. watch. >> most people say you shouldn't go. it's a thoughtless measure at this point to have a politician there. i'm not sure what positive can come out of it and there will be some signal, some measure by the chinese in response if pelosi visits. not a good idea. >> laura: mr. secretary, is everybody bought and paid for by china? everyone? i'm not saying he is but he

certainly sounds like he is. >> boy, not everyone, but too many. whether it's hollywood who acquiesces the same way biden did -- they don't put chinese characters where they continued to buy stuff where they are committing atrocities, even to make our biggest corporations in america. there are a lot of folks deeply connected to china in a way that's not good for the united states. the general they're kind of just assumed failure, he assumes the chinese ought to be able to dictate who can travel where from the united states. what's next? are you going to tell leaders they can't travel some place else because the chinese don't like it if they go to fiji or the solomon islands or wherever it may be? this is a very dangerous path to head down. we ought to do the things that matter america, the things that defend and protect our sovereignty in our security. we can do that. we need not be fearful, we need to be strong and clear. whether speaker pelosi went or not six months ago might not have meant -- but once she said she was going, do not go in the face of a chinese threat demonstrates real weakness and real danger follows. >> laura: i just keep saying

the pentagon told us that the afghan army could hold their line, for what, six months a year? they collapsed in one week. so until we do a retrospective on everything they've gotten wrong, i'm sorry, leadership -- i'm not talk about the rank-and-file. i mean, we elected a president to be our commander in chief, not millie and austin. mr. secretary, great to see you, you look very tan, by the way. with the economy in shambles, the biden white house is now of course trying to redefine what actually a recession is. plus, an entire police force just resigned in north carolina after the hiring of a progressive town manager. the chief who made that announcement is here exclusively. stay there.

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♪ ♪ >> if the technical definition is two quarters of contraction, you're saying that's not a recession? >> that's not the dash that's not the technical definition. >> in terms of the technical definition it's not a recession? the technical decision considers a much broader spectrum of data points. >> that is not the actual definition of a recession, it is a significant traction or a period over a few months. >> i would really object to this kind of semantic claim, the idea

that two quarters of negative gdp growth is a technical definition of a recession is wrong. >> laura: they are all reading the same playbook. the last ten instances in american history that sought to go straight quarters of negative gdp growth were defined as a recession. but the biden team of course ready to ditch it. what a perfect distillation of modern leftism. when you're losing, just change the rules of the game, then declare victory. joining me now is peter schiff, chief economist, global strategist for euro pacific capital and host of the peter schiff show podcast. peter, explain why this is lunacy. >> well, you know, they redefined the definition of inflation from an expansion of the money supply to prices going up, so they may as well change the definition of recession, because for my entire career, recession has been described as two quarters of negative gdp growth, and we got that. in fact, the third quarter looks like it's going to be an even bigger contraction them at first too, so that's going to be three

quarters, but you know, janet yellen said that a recession is not two consecutive drops in gdp, it's a broad-based economic slow down. well, that's exactly what we've got. the auto industry is in recession, the housing industry is in recession, retail is in recession, advertising is in recession. so many unrelated segments of the economy are in recession. how you can't say this is a broad-based slow down, doesn't make any sense, and in fact it's going to get a lot worse in the third quarter and in probably the fourth quarter as well. >> laura: what they are pegging it too, i think, is the tight labor market we have, but the tight labor market is not corresponding with wage increases that actually can catch up to the cost of living and exceed the cost of living increases that everyone is having. while people are getting raises, it doesn't mean -- yeah, it doesn't mean they're living better lives. >> it's worse than that, laura. first of all, on appointment claims have no reason for i

think three months in a row. we are at the highest level since october last year. we have 251,000 is the most recent on appointment claims. if you know, we were below 200,000 not to long ago. meanwhile, if you look at that last job report, even though we added about 400,000 jobs in the establishment survey, the house hold survey wiest lost that many jobs. but if you actually look at the jobs, almost all these new jobs were for people who already had jobs. these were people taking second and third jobs because they are struggling to pay the bills and you have a lot of retirees who are being forced back into the workforce because inflation has eviscerated their incomes and now they have no choice but to go to work, so these are not jobs that people want. these are jobs that people are forced to take because the economy is so weak. meanwhile, employment is a lagging indicator. i think we're going to see mass layoffs in the third and fourth quarter of this year as

employers start to react to the reality of inflation by laying off workers. >> laura: then they are going to redefine what it means to be laid off, peter. so the redefinition never ends in the biden administration. great to see you as always. last month, biden nominated a radical arizona based lawyer to the ninth circuit court of appeals. so who exactly is she? >> you argued that it would be a problem to extend an exemption on the grounds of religious freedom to a particular small business. >> you've been very active in an organization that fights against school choice in arizona. >> your chosen area of the law that really requires you to wear jersey. >> you clearly do have a liberal worldview. >> laura: liberal worldview, that's an understatement. as first reported by fox digital, she serves on the board of just communities arizona. it's a group whose mission it is to create a world free of prisons and punishment.

so how do you seriously consider having someone on the bench who doesn't seem to believe in our criminal justice system? that's wild even for the ninth circuit. she also worked as an attorney for planned parenthood helped launched the states creation a marijuana program, she's a real gem. here now is mike davison, former chief counsel for nominations to the senate judiciary committee. great to see you in studio. why is this nomination to the court of appeals so bad and why does it have to be stopped? >> this one is particularly bad. out of all the biden nominees, she is right up there with one of the worst. she's worked with george soros, the aclu, planned parenthood, open borders group, the teachers unions, she's advocated for abolishing prisons, defunding a police, mask mandates in schools, crt in schools, she's a left-wing radical. >> laura: the criminal justice issue, that in and of itself seems to be a disqualifier. she doesn't believe in prisons,

and she doesn't believe in punishment buried how to use it as a federal appellate court judge if you don't believe any better of those things? >> you don't. and she also think that our criminal justice system is racist, and so she's going to have a hard time doing her job. >> laura: now, instead of pressing on any one of those issues that we talked about, here's how secretary -- senator, excuse me, cory booker, used his time during the confirmation hearing. watch. >> you can rest, because i just want to talk to you for a few minutes, i do not questions. i just want to tell you both how grateful i am that you're here, how grateful i am to the president for nominating you. i think we are privileged to have you before us, you are both competent jurists. you both have demonstrated yourself to be truly qualified. >> laura: mike, spartacus had a lot of questions there. there's no -- there's no concern at all for oversight qualifications -- but this is what got them in trouble with kamala harris. and now they are trying to put this other woman on the

ninth circuit, and it's going to run into other problems. do you think someone like joe manchin would support this? >> what's surprising is these two arizona senators who are supporting this nominee in arizona, kyrsten sinema and mark kelly, supposed be moderate. >> laura: moderate! >> there are far from ultimate to moderate. when it comes to lifetime appointments on the critical just to vote in lockstep with all these other radicals. >> laura: webmasters, will probably be the nominee to go up against kelly, this is a major issue in the campaign. or it should be. >> it is. this nominee serves on the board where they mourn the execution of a man who kidnapped and murdered an 8-year-old. >> laura: in september of 2021, she argued against a provision that would ban mask mandates, the schools saying this children will suffer if that provision becomes law. great many children in arizona she said look at covid. they will get long covid, they will be hospitalized, and they

will die. she says that is not hyperbole. mike, obviously she was completely wrong, but she was scaring people. >> she does not have a judgment to be on the ninth circuit and the two arizona based senators, kyrsten sinema, mark kelly, have made a very bad decision here by advocating for this. >> laura: this is why say they idea of a moderate democrat is a unicorn. occasionally joe manchin will do the right thing, thank goodness, and occasional kyrsten sinema will as well. when it comes to these types of radical a point -- they run for the hills. >> these democrats about 100% of the time for these radical biden nominees. >> laura: with got to put pressure on the others, including joe manchin. thank you very much. the white house is doing everything in its power to reassure the public that biden is handling his covid covid really, really, really well. the results have been less than inspiring. raymond arroyo is back from a well-deserved break, and he breaks on the tape next.

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>> laura: it's time for are "seen and unseen" segment where we ask for the big cultural stories of the day. we turned to fox news contributor, back from some well earned vacation, raymond arroyo. while you were gone, biden was diagnosed with covid. >> i noticed, laura. with all the negative reports of his general health, the white house is clearly trying to reassure the public that even with covid, biden is fine, he's still in charge. on friday, they installed what appears to be a security cam in his office and made him leader meeting. >> this is the 30th day in a row -- >> are you feeling better? >> thank you guys, let's move it out. >> that went well. are there shooting it on his blackberry? did they tape it to the wall? then today they were at it again. biden has never been -- better. >> how are you feeling with covid? >> president biden: i'm

feeling great. you know, i fed two full nights of sleep all the way through. muzzle of my dogs knows about -- no, but i'm feeling good. my voice is still raspy. i've had every morning -- every afternoon -- i get a full-blown series of tests from temperature to and the oxygen my blood. to stop trafficking in firearms across state lines. >> laura: well -- >> they are giving him paxlovid, they should give him privilege in. the poor man -- he needs holes or something. he's coughing, he's out of it, but this is what happens when you're at 37% approval. got to keep pushing him out there, and disses anita dunn's i guess search and relief package providing, just keeping working

grade >> laura: raymond, remember one trump i covid, obviously he had to go to the hospital, you know, not good, but my goodness, they made such a big deal every time he was near anybody -- he wasn't supposed to do anything, but are we supposed to believe nobody comes into the room at all to kind of -- that biden figures out the camera all by himself? i don't believe that. >> hermetically sealed rooms. what about the poor dog? majors going to get covid, possibly. anyway, the capital saw some bizarre climate demonstrators today. staffers of democratic house members cori bush, ilhan omar, jamie raskin, and others, were arrested when they occupied democratic senator chuck schumer's office. they were demanding that their own party past climate policy this year after joe manchin refused to sign their $2 trillion spending package. six of the aides were arrested, and at the same time, in

florence, climate protesters glued their hands to a 540-year-old painting. i guess defacement of cultural treasures is the only way to get this message any attention. >> laura: couldn't they have just glued themselves to some hideous contemporary art that we don't care about? we actually care about the botticellis. al gore tried a similarly -- i should say the man known as the human dirigible tried a similarly desperate tactic to push his agenda. >> you know, the climate deniers are really in some ways similar to all of those almost 400 law enforcement in diwali texas who were waiting outside an unlocked door while the children were being massacred. heard the screams screams, they heard the gunshots, and nobody stepped forward. >> this is so disgusting that he would use a tragedy in these

children's death to push this old climate agenda that he's never been right about, by the way. in 2006, gore said, and i quote, if we don't reduce carbon emissions in ten years, we will have a planetary emergency. we are way past your deadline. stick to the things we can really control. >> laura: is it just me or does he look positively plasticine, raymond? he looked -- believe me, i can have some bad days, but he was up wet. this looked like something -- >> that lighting, yeah. reflecting moonlight or something. >> that was an odd -- >> finally, laura, i was on vacation last week, as you mentioned, and i'm so grateful i was not at disney world. it looks like mickey's fight club. two families got into a dispute in-line, which they carried outside, punches flew, a brawl ensued in front of children, i might add, and a few of these kindly dear people were

arrested. others were banned from the park and asked the disney hotel. i think i should have gotten a magical taser and everyone should have been arrested. peabody property bail, that's what should have happened >> laura: this is a fast path to fight club. me, this is -- >> go ahead. >> laura: didn't you go to a different theme park? >> i did. we went to dollywood, and i have to tell you, it was -- everybody had such beautiful manners. it was clean, it's what disney used to be in the '80s. clean, family-friendly, people had a wonderful time but the people who work there, the southern hospitality, kindness, it was everywhere. it's a beautiful spot, and it's my first time in dollywood, so i see why people will always love her. >> laura: thanks for the invitation. the ingram's use to travel with the royals. >> next time we will save your spot. >> laura: look at you, so cute! you guys look adorable. i'm glad you had a good time. you deserved a break. great to see you as always.

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>> laura: black lives matter has to be really happy, because an entire police force, gone. it almost sounds like a movie. every single full-time officer, including the police chief of kenly north carolina has resigned in protest of a new town manager. chief josh gibson said justine jones is creating a hostile work environment and the department can no longer perform its duties and its services to the community. chief gibson joins me now exclusively along with his attorney. chief, how has the town manager created a hostile work environment for law enforcement? >> well, she came in, first of all, to start giving us tasks in all these projects all the time and unfortunately we are -- we only have five officers and i

was working double shifts at the time to try to keep up officer safety and be there with the other officers in case something happened. we were paying about 2,000 people. and so she kept doing things like that. then at one point she wrote me up and she wrote me up for being late for work, and i was like no, ma'am, i haven't been late to work at anything. she said yes you have, you've either been in the hallway, in the foyer, you have not been sitting at your desk at 8:00 in the morning. then she wrote me up for going to businesses and talking with businesses. she wrote me up for talking with council members are known for 20 years. >> laura: so she was targeting you. so you think -- i'm looking at this. i'm actually looking at the dash you know, or reprimands of you, or written warnings, and i'm thinking to myself, she didn't like you. she was targeting you, these

are -- you can chime in, but this all seems like sorry, but total b.s. it's just ridiculous. this is just classic targeting. >> its classic example of a minister full head that seeks to, and likely has no experience at all in law enforcement or training, seeks to micromanage a police agency over chief gibson here, who has 21 years experience as well as 17 years of those as a police chief. she wants to implement all these rules and essentially control everything he does from sitting at his desk to who he speaks with. in fact, he can't even speak with her if he has a quick question on something unless he sets an appointment ahead of time. that puts -- that's untenable and up with the public at risk. >> laura: how did she get

hired? i see that she sued a previous employer for racial discrimination, right? black woman, obviously sued her -- for gender and racial determination after she was terminated in march of 2015, alleging hostile treatment by richland county leaders at her supervisor retaliating for reporting bad behavior, that lawsuit was later voluntarily dismissed, although court records don't reveal why. so how did she go from south carolina suing for racial determination, ending up in your small town in north carolina, josh? who hired her? >> town council does that. they use a company called triangle jay that supposedly that's these people and they give like a nomination for them to select these candidates and so it was all with the town council. we were not included in any selection process or vetting or

anything, it was all with the town council and triangle jay. >> laura: i know that josh was also accused of socializing in town? what? so you're never supposed to social -- i don't even understand that. >> keep in mind, the chief's from this area. it's 2,000 people, everyone knows everyone. he's known people for many, many years, and part of an important duty of being a police chief is community outreach and being able to connect with community. his socializing, quote unquote, is reaching out to the community and keeping the relations in good stead and hearing from them and getting feedback from them so he could be the best police chief that he has been. >> laura: chief, that's what black lives matter and all the social justice activists said that they wanted. the police to get in with the communities, as he just said, and work with the community, find out what's on their minds, but now i guess we have to get new marching orders, that's not

what you're supposed to do. this woman is a nightmare. she's a nightmare. i'm sorry, they've got to get rid of her and they've got to get rid of her and bring you all back. i know the town wants you all back because we have our sources, but thank you for representing him, chief, thank you very much for joining us, we are going be following this story. is it possible that dr. anthony fauci has gotten more evil? is not an overstatement? you're going to have to decide, because the last bite will explain it. so we need something super distinctive... dad's work, meet daughter's playtime. thankfully, meta portal auto pans and zooms to keep you in frame. and the meeting on track. meta portal. the smart video calling device that makes work from home work for you.

>> laura: as the angle has been telling you for, what, two years now, most of what we were told by the medical bureaucracy about covid from the outset was wrong. think about what was affirmed yet again in studies last week, lockdowns work disastrous for our students, masks can be bad for you is the increase bacteria and fungus, and natural immunity is stronger than if you are vaxxed. if despite all that, fauci

undeterred. >> had we known that then, the insidious nature of spread in the community would've been much, much more of an alarm and they would have been much, much more stringent restrictions in the sense of very, very heavy encouraging people to wear masks, physical distancing, or what have you. >> laura: he has immunity from learning. "gutfeld!." ♪ ♪ [scattered applause] >> greg: yeah! all right! happy monday, everyone, i love mondays, and what a great show tonight. john rich is here. yeah! he is a famous country singer, and i know this because under his cowboy hat is another