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this before they head to the august recess on friday. i'm john roberts in washington. this is "america reports," a slimmed down version of build back better estimated, listen to this, to raise taxes on millions of americans across every income bracket, including, yes, those making under $400,000 a year. this despite president biden repeatedly claiming that it would do no such thing. >> one thing we are trying to get done in congress, pass legislation that won't raise taxes a single penny for anybody making less than 400 grand. you make less than 400, you will not pay a penny in taxes. make sure we pay everything without any one making under 400,000 paying taxes. >> sandra: rebranded as a way to reduce inflation across the country. a new study claims it will do

the exact opposite and make the inflation situation even worse. >> john: all of this comes amid a potential crisis in asia. tensions rising with china as reports circulate that house speaker nancy pelosi could arrive in taiwan tomorrow. it's all part of her high stakes trip to the region. white house correspondent peter doocy kicks us off from the north lawn this earn. what are the chinese saying about pelosi's trip? >> peter: the chinese are saying the people's liberation army is not going to stand idly by if speaker pelosi dares to visit taiwan, they believe belongs to china. the white house is responding to the latest threat. >> we are not -- we shouldn't be as a country intimidated by that rhetoric or the potential actions. this is an important trip for the speaker to be on and we'll do whatever we can to support her. >> peter: the first few days between president biden's first quarantine and second quarantine, he did promise no new taxes on anybody making less

than $400,000 a year. but, the non-partisan joint committee on taxation has a new report finding that just not true, and that "by 2031, when the new green energy credits and subsidies provide an even greater benefit to those at higher incomes, those earning below $400,000 are projected to bear as much as two-thirds of the burden of the additional tax revenue collected that year." joe manchin has also promised in the past no new taxes. >> taken $3.5 trillion in spend being that was aspirational spending my colleagues wanted to do on the democrat side and taken the down to $400 billion investment. we are not sending a check to anybody. >> peter: we don't expect to see

president biden in person, he is in the white house residence, he has tested positive for covid for a third day in a row. john. >> john: the dreaded rebound from paxlovid. peter doocy for us, at 1600 pennsylvania. thank you, sandra. >> sandra: bring in our economic panel now, love this panel, can't get more bipartisan than this. although i know you economists say it all comes down to the numbers. so, austin, you tell me, spending, investment, same thing to a lot of americans who see they are likely on the hook for this. so, which is it? are americans going to see their taxes go up to pay for this or not? >> no, i don't think -- i looked at the report that you are describing, and the closing of the tax gap, people pay taxes that they are supposed to have paid and we are now going to have greater enforcement, that's

not really a traditional definition of tax increase, making people pay what they were owed and cheating not to pay. >> sandra: corporate tax rate? which tax are you referring to so we are clear so vince can respond? which part? what taxes, on whom? >> taxes -- there is increased tax enforcement which some of the people are not paying their taxes make less than 400,000. >> sandra: on individuals or corporations? >> both. tax enforcement, tax enforcement. >> well, i think it's a massive tax hike on americans, when you look at those reports it shows about two-thirds on those making less than 400,000 a year. raising the minimum 15%, higher taxes to everyone else. i don't think we are going to

see a huge increase in taxes from what he is mentioning here, so look at different things going on, bad for america, will raise taxes, raise inflation and we need to kill this bill. >> sandra: the bipartisan committee on taxation says u.s. manufacturers are already struggling with inflation, supply chain disruptions and slowing economy and wall street journal says it's the schumer-manchin increase on everyone, saying the corporate tax rate falls on some combination of workers, shareholders and customers. raise the corporate tax rate and cutting wages and salaries for workers. no surprise, that's what the joint committee on taxation found. average tax rate will increase for nearly every income category in 2023 under the bill. the question is, why would you want any one to have to pay more taxes in an environment of sky high inflation. this country is already

struggling, that will continue to hurt the lower and middle class the most. austan. >> that's a mistaken interpretation of what it says. it does not show the taxes go up. the argument that you are describing is if corporate taxes were to rise would they pass that on to the workers in the form of lower wages, not of higher taxes. we have this discussion when donald trump cut the corporate tax by their logic, the wage of workers should have increased and it did not. wage growth was actually slower after they cut taxes, so the argument about who bears the burden of corporate tax cuts or increases is a long-term issue, and is not resolved. >> sandra: as an economist you believe -- >> the thing that is resolved, this cuts deficits by $250 billion. that's the main thing coming out of that. so it's strange to me that you are not saying the main finding

of the study. >> sandra: ok. so, according to what you have seen, will this ultimately bring down inflation? that's the question. vance, i saw you reacting, this is from the pen wharton review says the act would very slightly increase inflation, increase inflation until 2024 and decrease inflation thereafter. deep point estimates are statistically indistinguishable from 0. thereby indicating low confidence the legislation will have any impact on inflation. vance? >> well, i think that's right and you know, what austan was saying, i'm glad he is interested in the deficit and debt, it's a major problem we have that we need to focus on and even if you look into the obamacare extension of the subsidies, they are only doing that through 2025, but over the whole decade, less than

$100 billion reduction in the debt. this is a more tax and spend sort of policy we have seen over the last year and a half. these progressive policies have put us in the situation we are in now. we need to roll back, and cutting spending and taxes to free up resources because right now what we have is too much money chasing too few goods, inflation and recession act, what i've been calling it, it's not a good situation, not the direction we need to go. >> sandra: final word on this, why do this if it's going to have an indistinguishable effect on inflation. isn't the point to bring prices down? it's going to lead to higher prices the study says in the first two years. >> well, the study -- that study said 0, that's a controversial finding. there are others who say it would go down. the thing that i would point out is that the intention of the bill is to reduce prices in specific areas so looking at

grand inflation overall in the economy will tend to cloud the fact that it reduces the price of prescription drugs, makes healthcare more affordable, and is trying to get energy prices down, which -- >> sandra: energy prices, i think people want to see grocery and energy prices, home heating bills go down, etc. thanks to both of you for coming on. obviously a huge debate there and joe manchin is on board, says it will not affect your taxes. we'll have more on that coming up. thanks to our econ panel. john. >> john: sandra, terrible situation in eastern kentucky where flooding has killed at least 30 people now, and the governor says that number will surely go up. hundreds of people still missing, more rain is headed for that region. our fox weather correspondent nicole valdez reporting live from hazzard, kentucky. what a terrible situation. what are you seeing in terms of rescue efforts there? >> well, i can tell you the

national guard has been digging through rubble like you see here behind me, combing and searching for survivors, and it's the effort and the focus for the last several days and likely will continue to be for the weeks that come until they locate every single person left unaccounted. you see behind me, remnants of what likely was a family home. you are looking at walls, appliances, refrigerators, kid toys, and that's surrounding the still flowing creek here behind me, which of course is another growing concern as we expect more rain to hit eastern kentucky. survivors right now are trying to come to terms with first the fact they are still here, and second, what do they do, many have nothing left, nowhere to go, no homes. some are still missing their loved ones, clinging on to hope that they can find them and get some good news rather than see another number added to that death toll. but i can tell you the pain and

the suffering remains in these communities as we still see people trying to finds some use, trying to gather up supplies, whether it's clothes, food, clean water, something many people don't have access to, power is still out, so it's an all hands on deck effort, but i'll tell you, the amount of work happening through the pain, through the horror is tough to watch. >> john: and a tremendous amount of rain moving just south of you as well. hopefully it won't come up where you are, but probably inevitable that it will. nicole, thank you, appreciate it. sandra. >> sandra: thousands of court documents meanwhile from the explosive trial between johnny depp and amber heard now unsealed. brand-new details on secret text messages and attacks as an exotic dancer. >> john: china promising to act if house speaker pelosi visits taiwan. how seriously should we take

this threat and should president biden be doing more? >> further credence to the fact he's not willing to stand up to china to essentially our greatest adversary.

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>> a let of business for the speaker of the house to conduct on a trip like this, and she can speak to her stops and what she's trying to accomplish. important for the united states to make clear, when u.s. officials travel to taiwan they can do so safely and securely. >> sandra: that was this morning, john kirby, on nancy pelosi's potential visit to

taiwan. china is warning the speaker not to make that trip. congressman greg stubbe of the foreign affairs committee is standing by, but a top u.s. general warning for a long-term warning of china to control the panama canal. jennifer, what are you learning about this? >> the pentagon says it's an urgent national security issue. five years ago panama under pressure from beijing quietly shifted the long-term policy of recognizing taiwan, severed ties and now only recognizes china. at the same time, a hong kong-based company bought and took control of two ports on eat end of the panama canal. america's top general who oversees u.s. southern command issued this warning two weeks ago. >> i worry about the, you know, look like civilian companies, or state-owned enterprises that could be used for dual use, and

could be quickly changed over to a military capability if they needed that to. again, looks like they are investing. i look it as extracting. >> 6% of the world commerce passes through the canal. 66% of cargo traffic that begins or ends the journey at a u.s. port passes through the panama canal. millions of tons of goods pass through the century old waterway this year alone. a recent report from strategic and international studies raised alarm bells about china's rising influence on america's doorstep. >> china's increasing interest in panama is something the united states needs to pay attention to to the extent that we leave vacuums, china and russia will fill vacuum. if we had a conflict in the taiwan straits or the south china sea and started to escalate, one of the areas china might look to escalate and cause trouble would be to close the

panama canal. >> defense secretary austin on a visit to brazil last week to meet latin american defense ministers added his concern of the belt and road initiative, designed to take control of key infrastructure around the world and make countries dependent on beijing. >> powers are working to undermine the rules based international order in our region. and that includes efforts by the peoples republic of china to gain influence. >> with such a key waterway eyed by beijing, the u.s. has not even sent an ambassador to panama since 2018. the senate has not confirmed a u.s. ambassador to panama since the last administration. sandra. >> sandra: jennifer, live from the pentagon. thank you. john. >> john: bring in florida republican congressman, a member of the house foreign affairs committee and served as an airborne infantry officer and

jag corps officer. and i want to move to nancy pelosi's potential trip to taiwan. there's a lot of saber rattling and threats from china to a possible military response if she were to actually touch down in taipei. with the chinese foreign ministry said her stature as the number three u.s. official means the trip would be highly sensitive. as to what measures we might take, let's wait and see if she insists on the visit. reads like a child's threat, i'm mad and i'm going to do something, i don't know what i'm going to do but believe me, you are not going to like it when it happens. what do you think? >> first of all, taiwan is a sovereign nation, and for china to say what they can and cannot visit is ridiculous. aid in the america first agenda and putting america on the map

and aiding in allies and i believe that's what speaker pelosi believes she's going to do. at this point now that china has made the childish veiled threats i would not back down. i think she's getting bipartisan support for the visit and i would encourage her to continue to not change her plans because china is threatening some type of action. >> john: if china does go ahead with some sort of military response, what form do you think it would take? might they do what they did in 1995 and 1996, and fire some missiles over taiwan, send jets out to try to intercept pelosi's plane, and stop it from landing? is there potential if they did that, there might be some sort of accident? >> well, if they did that, there would be an american response. some of the reports have said american military is beefing up our security in the china sea to be able to provide some type of response, but i can't see the chinese communist party doing

anything like that. an attack on her or the delegation would be a direct attack on american sovereignty, there's been over 500 military sorties in the taiwanese air space the beginning of this year, and china has just probed to see what they are able to get away with, and i think republicans and democrats are agreeing on the fact we will stand with the taiwanese people and push back on the communist party. >> john: picture from 21 years ago, 2001, ep3 warfare and surveillance plane in china. this was flying off the coast of china in international air space, it was intercepted by two chinese jets, one of the jets jumped into the wing, the chinese jet broke up. damaged this plane to the degree they had to make an emergency landing. if something like that happened

with nancy pelosi, that would be an international incident that would definitely require some sort of american response, and could tip the region into a crisis. >> unfortunately we have complete weakness from this president and this administration as it relates to china. biden himself does not want pelosi to go, he's weak on china and he knows that he's compromised. so something like that did happen, i don't have any assurances this white house there is going to be any leadership unlike we had in the trump administration. we would not even be dealing with these veiled threats if trump was still president of the united states. wouldn't be an issue for american visit to visit taiwan like we have in years and years past. if something like that does happen, you have a completely compromised lack of leadership out of the white house and who knows what would happen if something like that came about while the delegation was there. >> john: we'll keep watching this and see if she touches down in taiwan or not. congressman, from florida, nice

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donor defending far left policies on crime days after a top chicago prosecutor slammed cook county state's attorney kim fox in his resignation letter. as violent crime in the windy city sadly continuing to surge. and now george soros saying why he supports d.a.'s like that. first time i have seen you on set here in a couple of years. >> i don't think we have seen each other since early 2020. >> sandra: wonderful reunion. let me put a portion of george soros' piece up on the screen, saying i have no intention of stopping. the funds i provide enable sensible reform-minded candidates to receive a hearing from the public. judging by the results, the public likes what it's hearing. is he living in an alternate universe? >> i think george soros crawled

back from under the rock once he sprung, after one of the people he supported, chesa boudin, was just recalled, not in provo, utah, and a left wing city. the recall effort in los angeles against george gascon, another one of george soros' d.a.s is on the ballot and he could be recalled, followed the soft on crime policies. >> sandra: hard to keep track of the progressive prosecutors under fire, you mentioned boudin, gascon, kim fox, alvin brag, the list goes on. >> people come in and say well, criminal justice system is racist so we have to let people on the streets, get rid of cash bail, 3, 4, 5th, 18th, 25th chance and the people almost always go back and commit crime, the violence continues. just here in new york the other

day this 16-year-old thug beat up a couple of cops. he was back on the street the next day. he had been arrested for robbery the previous week, let go, and commits another crime, back on the streets again and supposed to advance social justice like this, and all it does is increase victims of crime and rampant lawlessness. >> sandra: actual data out there that supports jail time, reducing, five-year sentence, the u.s. sentencing commission, reduces odds by 10%, and ten-year, by 29%, but that is ignored. leo terrell had a similar reaction to you earlier on fox news reacting to george soros continuing to fund these prosecutors. listen. >> he's living in an alternative universe. he does not live in chicago or l.a.

he has private security. those cities are run by minorities. he's claiming the criminal justice system is racist. what he wants to do, is eliminate the justice system. >> sandra: those cities are seeing double digit increases crime. chicago up 35%, los angeles and san francisco, they are dealing with this continued spike in crime rate. so, why is this not something he sees happening and going as far as writing this piece in the wall street journal to say otherwise? what is happening here? >> must be in super deep denial and does not want to face the facts, not just a microscopic increase. >> sandra: political consequences with the democratic party? >> there should be. they have talked about defund the police, demonized police, and the victims are the same blacks, minorities, who the democrats say they are championing, and people getting

hurt are not usually on the upper east side white folks, although there is some of that, but low income and minorities are bearing the brunt and shedding the blood as a result of horrible ideas of george soros. >> sandra: you are a new yorkers, you live in new york. it's not coming back, the city and you see the crime everywhere you go. >> the crime, people are mentally ill around the streets, garbage galore, i saw two rats saturday night, on 8th avenue, and crime shooting up, there is total disarray, and democrats who run the cities either have to get their acts together or booted out of office. >> sandra: and no longer just in pockets of manhattan, it is everywhere. great to see you. thank you for coming in. john, you know the city well, not uncommon to see garbage on the streets, piled high, but it is different now.

a city still in chaos as far as crime and his point about it just being a dirty city right now. >> john: and one of the things that's driving that home, too, we'll be talking with jonathan turley later on in the program, is the fact that you had toothpaste behind plastic locked up in dwayne reed stores and other, and tampons and shampoo, now it's spam. and when you have to lock up the spam, you know things are bad. >> sandra: i wish you could see the reaction from him off camera, he's a new yorker, knows that all too well and we see it, they have to lock it up, because people are stealing things like tooth paste and walking out and nobody can do anything about it. and if something is done bit, they are let free in hours. it's the reality of the situation. john. >> john: when you have to lock up the spam, katie bar the door. more than 6,000 pages of court documents filed in the johnny depp and amber heard defamation case have been unsealed. reveals shocking evidence that

both sides fought to keep out of the trial. laid bare for everyone to see. matt is live in los angeles and matt, if we thought we had enough of these two, wait, there's more. >> seems like there's a lot more here, john. new documents reveal depp's team tried to portray amber heard as a call girl and johnny depp was texting with singer marilyn manson about similar relationship problems, including amber heard. new york post reports it has reviewed thousands of pages of documents reviewing depp's legal team tried to include amber heard's alleged brief stint as an exotic dancer years before she met depp. heard's lawyers opposed to maliciously suggest at one time she was an escort. and 2016 text between manson and depp, manson wrote i got an amber 2.0. lindsey pulled an amber on me, please delete.

depp responded i've been reading a lot of material that and sociopathic behavior, it's blanking real, my brother. heard's lawyers claim that depp and manson did drugs together, including days before amber heard came to austrailia, and days before the infamous fight where he lost the tip of his finger, and his arrest record and lawsuit accusing him of assault settled in july. heard and depp testified they both suffered violent physical and mental abuse. in june, the jury agreed with depp that amber heard defamed him, awarding depp more than $10 million. stay tuned, we may find out even more, if anyone is interested. >> john: i can't wait. >> sandra: a pilot dying mysteriously, did he jump or fall out of his airplane before an emergency landing? >> john: wow. plus, new data in on the

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>> john: you know, he is so lucky, sandra, you see she got him in the back wheel, and he did a complete flip before he landed on the ground, so he did not fall on his head, didn't fall on his shoulder, i mean, he could not have been more lucky there. looks like he ran the red light, i think he's acknowledged that. but the fact she did not stop, that's just incredible. >> sandra: remarkable to watch this again and you see how hard he's hit and he gets back on his feet here within seconds, john. >> john: having had a bicycle crash myself in 2007 in central park, i did not get up for about 20 minutes after i crashed. >> sandra: grad you are ok from that, john. less than 100 days to go until the midterms, learning more about the school shut downs,

students suffering mental health issues, more than a million fleeing the public school system. how big of an impact at the ballot box come november. fox news political analyst is here, and mercedes schlapp, so world bank study shows the situation is worse than we ever thought. u.s. students, 19 weeks behind in learning on average. percentage of 10-year-olds in low and middle income countries who can't read, up 13%. latin american countries, rose from 50 to 80%. lifetime current earnings, $21 trillion is going to be the cost of that. mercedes, is this going to factor into who people vote for? >> oh, absolutely. one poll showed over 82% of parents were willing to shift a political party as long as that candidate supports their education agenda. we saw this happening in virginia where glen youngkin ran

strong on education, pushing back on any sort of covid lockdown, pushing back on more of the cultural issues of critical race theory and indoctrination of children that has created a block of voters, not only a suburban mom but also the dad, so it's these parents that are saying wait a second, i want my voice to be heard, they saw what happened during the covid lockdown and it had devastating effects, not only academically but emotionally for our children. >> john: parents want to think they have some measure of control when it comes to their children's schooling, what they are learning, or whether or not they go to school. you know, if the november election last year in virginia turned on anything, it was the phrase i don't think parents should have a phrase in what they are children are being taught. that did in tara mccauliffe. >> definitely had an impact in the virginia race, no question.

the difference here is now they are saying more than a million children are leaving u.s. public schools, john. and in large part is tied to coronavirus, and the fact that schools were closed and mask mandates and the like. you know, live and learn. i think everybody, every parent and all three of us on this panel are parents, wanted their children protected. now you look at not only the academic deficiencies, but the mental health issues also a consequence of this, and think gosh, we have to have a change. so you see a big rise in terms of parents sending their children to private schools, parochial schools, and i'm a big charter school proponent. i'm all for innovation in this sector but don't know it's necessarily the case you would say oh, it's political. i think it's more parents concerned about children. political angle may be something we are seeing in texas, where after the school shootings, another concern, you are seeing more parents express concern, a rise for o'rourke, beto

o'rourke, the democrat there. where did that come from? >> john: call for number three, a.e.i. study, approximately 1.3 million students have left public school. now two, and students mental health and national center for education statistics, 70% of schools report an increase in students seeking mental health treatment. so many parents, mercedes, are going to want to blame something for this. who is going to get the blame? >> that's interesting. i think for the most part look at the teachers' unions being part of the problem, where they honed in and forced a lot of the lockdowns in the districts and look at the party in charge, and that's going to be the democrats and joe biden as well, so i think that's going to impact again going into the midterm elections. i think you are going to see these battleground districts where parents are willing to shift their political party toward a republican party. >> john: a quick last word from juan, but this statistic, too,

the american federation for teachers commissioned a poll, who do you trust more on education, the findings were 43% said democrats, 47% said republicans. that's reversal of where we have traditionally been here. >> traditionally an issue for the democrats, but as you say in the polls, people are split. why are they split? i think the coronavirus issue but i think in general and back to where we started, the virginia race, i think people have a sense, they want to have more control and more sense that you know what, the schools are responsive to their needs. the fact the split is a bit for democrats. >> john: love the blazer. >> hey, i'm telling you, it's a little bit of a statement for john roberts. >> sandra: one of the most popular video games of the post 20 years going woke. one that allows you to kill other characters in the game but not make an offensive joke about them. charlie hurt has a lot to say on

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>> john: controversial proposal from the world economic forum. the organization calling for the end of private vehicle ownership. yep, you heard that right. suggesting instead we should start sharing our cars. jeff lock of fox business is live in chicago. all right, jeff. lay it out for us. >> sharing is caring, john. caring about the environment, at least that's what the world economic forum says. yeah, they say it's about electric vehicles and the need to conserve minerals, minerals for the batteries. take a look what they just said. shifting to e.v. requires huge amounts of critical metals. we have been making that point for a while. recycling alone won't be enough. we need to increase sharing of vehicles and perhaps eliminating personal car ownership. you know, sharing platforms we have now, but in europe studies indicate that a way to get

people to give up cars, congestion charges for driving into cities, eliminating parking spaces so people have no place to park, and exclusion zones where cars are concerned, streets where cars can't go. may work in europe, but we are told in america, maybe not so much. >> this is america, people want the freedom to go where they want to go, when they want to go there, if it's difficult to get to a place they simply may not go there. >> john, the reality is whether we like e.v.s or not, they are coming in the inflation reduction act you mentioned earlier in the program. $7,500 credit if you buy an e.v. over the next ten years. although unlike the old credit, an income limit, make less than $225,000 and buy an suv, truck or sedan that is reasonably priced, and also most of the

battery has to be made in the u.s. it is worth noting that right now because of that last requirement, not very many people would be able to take advantage of that tax credit. you know, the switch to e.v.s has some questions out there. metal is a big one. >> john: and you have to share the e.v. as well. >> sandra: the white house briefing room, karine jean-pierre just walked out, and john kirby is expected to speak to talk about nancy pelosi's visit, and taiwan's foreign ministry have no comments on the travel. let's listen live at the white house now. >> today i think you are tracking the first ships successfully left the port of odesa in ukraine under the recent deal between the united

nations, turkey, ukraine and russia. we obviously welcome this important step and hope to see more ships depart in the coming days to travel onward to world markets with agriculture products such as grain, wheat, sunflower, oil and corn. the ship that left today had like 26,000 tons of corn. russia has weaponized food and has effectively blocked ukraine's ports since the beginning of this crisis and we urge russia to meet its commitments under its new arrangements, included by facilitating unimpeded black seaports to ease the food insecurity around the world. so we are going to be watching that closely. also on ukraine, today national security advisor jake sullivan, tony blinken and the chairman of the joints chief of staff spoke together with their ukrainian counterparts about the enduring u.s. support to ukraine as the ukrainian people continue to stand up to russian aggression. and to inform them about a new

$550 million security assistance package the biden administration will authorize today. this follows secretary austin's call with his ukrainian counterpart on friday where he previewed that package. more ammunition for the high mobility rocket system, known as himars, and the artillery systems already supplied to ukraine and are in the field. this will be the 17th now time that the biden administration has authorized security assistance package using presidential draw down authority, more than $8 billion draw down authority alone in material and security assistance for ukraine just since the invasion began in late february. now on taiwan, i know that's on everybody's mind today.

i want to reaffirm that the speaker has not confirmed any travel plans and it is for the speaker to do so, and her staff. so we won't be commenting or speculating about the stops on her trip. we have been clear from the very beginning that she will make her own decisions and that congress is an independent branch of government. our constitution embeds the separation of power, well-known to the p.r.c., given more than four decades of diplomatic relations. speaker has the right to visit taiwan and a speak of the house have visited taiwan before without incident, and members of congress, including this year. and nothing has changed, nothing has changed about our one china policy which is of course guided by the taiwan relations act, the three joints u.s. p.c.r.

communicads. we said we oppose unilateral changes from the status quo. we do not support taiwan independence and expect cross trade differences to be resolved by peaceful means. we have communicated this directly to the p.r.c. at the highest levels, including as recently as last week in a phone call between president biden and president xi. national security advisor, secretaries of state and defense, chairman of the joints chief of staff have made it clear to beijing in a half a dozen recent high level conversations. put simply there, is no reason for beijing to turn a potential visit consistent with long standing u.s. policy into some sort of crisis or conflict or use it as a pretext to increase aggressive military activity in or around the taiwan strait. and yet over the weekend even before speaker pelosi arrived in the region china conducted a

live fire exercise. china appears to be positioning itself to potentially take further steps in the coming days and perhaps over longer time horizons. these potential steps from china could include military provocations, such as firing missiles in the taiwan strait or around taiwan, operations that break historical norms such as large scale air entry into taiwan's air defense identification zone, air or naval activities that cross the median line and military exercises that could be highly publicized. this could also include actions in the diplomatic and economic space such as further spur ous legal claims by -- like the beijing assertions that the taiwan strait is not an international waterway. some of these actions would continue concerning trend lines that we have seen in recent years, but some could be of a

different scope and scale. last time beijing fired missiles into the taiwan strait was 1995 and 1996, after beijing reacted pro vactively, and contrast this between the united states and china. we and countries and the world believe escalation serves no one. beijing's actions could have unintended consequences that only serve to increase tensions. meanwhile, our actions are not threatening and they break no new ground. nothing about this potential visit, potential visit, which oh, by the way, has precedent, would change the status quo. and the world should reject any p.r.c. effort to use it to do so. we will not take the bait or engage in saber rattling. at the same time, we will not be intimidated. we will keep operating in the seas and the skies of the

western pacific as we have for decades. we will continue to support cross strait peace, stability, support taiwan, of course, defend a free and open endopacific, and lines of communication with beijing. all of that is important and all of that, all of it is preserving the status quo. we expect to see beijing continue to use inflammatory rhetoric and disafrican american in the coming days. united states by contrast will act with transparency, will stand up here, answer your questions, we'll give you the facts. we are also committed to keeping open lines of communication with beijing, as i said. what the world expects not just the united states but of china and encourage beijing to keep that commitment as well. with that, i'll go to some questions. >> thanks, john. given all the saber rattling done by china and the fact that

speaker pelosi is still considering a trip, the fact you are laying out all the possible reactions that china could have, should we take this as a sort of test of china's willingness to make good on some of its designs on taiwan or a test of whether they learn some of the lessons that russia learned by invading ukraine? >> short answer to your question and then i promise i will not just leave it with a short answer, that's a better question for president xi, and what's in his mind over this. i think we have laid out very clearly that if she goes, if she does, it's not without precedent, it's not new, doesn't change anything. i mean, what we would hope, infer from everything we have done and everything we have said, including during the president's phone call, is that we are being consistent. there's no change.

we have not ramped up the rhetoric, we have not changed our behavior. everything we have done is consistent with our obligations and our commitments. >> if the policy hasn't changed, why was the speaker being urged not to go? >> i don't know who urged her not to go. >> the president said on the 20th the military doesn't think she should go. >> we provide her analysis, facts, information so she can make the best decision possible for every stop, for every overseas travel. and i'm not going to get ahead of her or her staff here with respect to the rest of this trip. >> does the u.s. military think it's not a good idea? >> i would refer you to the military. we as a national security team, not just d.o.d., we have obligated and take that obligation seriously to make sure she has all the context she needs before she travels overseas and we did that. and oh, by the way, we will continue to do that throughout

the remainder of her trip for anything else that she needs to make sure she has a successful visit. >> thank you. you've been emphasizing the separation of powers and the separation of the legislative branch from executive. does the white house feel confident that president xi understands that separation? >> as i said in my opening statement, we had, you know, diplomatic and bilateral relations with the p.r.c. for decades. they understand well. i can't speak for president xi, i would not do that, by our assumption is they understand very well how our constitution is organized and that there are three equal branches of government. >> i don't think i'm hearing you say yes to that question, and -- >> i said it in my opening statement that the p.r.c. understands well the separation of powers.

>> if you are confident about that, was this an issue that president biden raised directly with president xi during their phone call, we didn't get a very detailed readout of the detailed discussions they had during the phone call last week. >> the president in the conversation with president xi made clear that congress is an independent branch of government and that speaker pelosi makes her own decisions, as other members of congress do, about their overseas travel. that was made clear. >> one more follow-up. if the policy is that the president would not encourage or discourage a law enforcement from travelling to a specific place because of the situation, if a season lawmaker would go to north korea or moscow, would not the president weigh in in those instances? >> i would you would see the president be consistent.

we provide members of congress facts, analysis, context. they make their own decisions about where and when they are going to travel. we do the best we can to provide advice and counsel and context and information and that will continue. there's nothing inconsistent about that at all. i realize i have my badge on, i have to take this off. >> anyone in the administration, or in this white house explicitly spoken with the speaker and said you should not go, i know the president has not done that, but has there been any communication from senior national security officials inside the white house? >> there have been direct conversations with the speaker and her staff before she left at various levels in the national security establishment. the president did not speak directly with the speaker about this trip. i am not gonna divulge the contents of those conversations that we have, i mean, with her, particularly with the speaker. i will go back to what i said

before, tyler. discussions, context, analysis, facts, information about her overseas travel, which is completely consistent with the way we do it in the past. >> seems this trip is sparking a little more anxiety inside this building and throughout the administration, and you said the president respects independence, but given the national security at play and china's escalating rhetoric, was there not a discussion whether or not you should take a more defensive -- [inaudible] other countries at play here, we might see a different response, given what china has said it might do in response to a trip that puts all americans at risk and national security. did the president think maybe he should be more involved, or the team should be more involved? >> i mean, again, i'm not going to get into the details of the conversation. they were comprehensive discussions about what she wanted to achieve on this trip, where she wanted to go, and we provided her the same set of context and information we have

in the past with respect to her overseas travel. i'm not going to get into the details of that. >> i guess i'm wondering, why did the president bother with this from the beginning? i mean, why not rather than saying the military doesn't think it's a good idea to go, why not call the chinese bluff or tell it to pound sand when they started belly aching of the possibility of the trip. given as you pointed out no change in policy and the president for pelosi to visit taiwan. >> what's the drama? i think you are manufacturing it with your question. we have been nothing but clear with the chinese about where we stand on the issues, and the one china policy, and our support for a free and open indopacific. back to what i said in the beginning, i hope you took note.

nothing has changed. there's no drama to talk to. it is not without precedent for a speaker of the house to go to taiwan, if she goes and i'm not confirming that she is, and it's certainly not without precedent for members of congress to travel to taiwan. it has been done this year and i'm certain that it will be done in the future. we have no interest, as i said in my opening statement, of increasing tensions here. we have no interest in changing any of the approach that we take as a government or in keeping with our allies and partners to wanting to see cross strait tensions be resolved peacefully without a unilateral change. so i don't know about the drama that you are claiming exists, it's quite the contrary here and the point that we have made, i made it again today and president biden made it with president xi is everything here is consistent. there is no reason to use a

potential visit to justify or to spark some sort of crisis or conflict. we certainly aren't, have no interest in that, and there's no justification to use a potential visit as a pretext to conduct what could be escalating measures. >> you could say that the speaker has a right to make her own decisions, and another speaker visited before, which i believe you talked about -- timing, and more tension and the speaker represents the president's party. while she has the right to make her own decision, why you say the white house disagrees with the decision because it would cause more tension. she basically, that if the white house disagrees -- >> i'm sorry, why i can't just say we disagree with the visit?

>> correct, because it's not, the conversation we are just having now, would cause more tension. >> two things. one, there's been no discussion by the speaker about what's next on her trip. so you are asking me a question as if she's already somehow confirmed she's going to taiwan, i have not seen a confirmation and i would point you to the speaker and her staff to talk about her itinerary, and number two, our responsibility is to make sure that she and her team have all the information they need, and we keep that line of communication throughout a trip as we should, of course it's a requirement. but the speaker and her staff who advises her, she make the decisions. you guys seem to be, or question seems to presume that we should have, you know, stamped the trip with some sort of approval or disapproval, that's not the way it works. congress is an independent

branch of government. >> she's travelling on commercial flight or is she officially on a government? that would be interpreted by the chinese differently. >> it is commonplace for the speaker to travel aboard a u.s. military transport aircraft. that's very typical. >> has the administration been in touch with the chinese government to have the -- has the administration, people in the administration been in touch with the chinese government since the president's conversation? >> i'm not aware of specific communications after that call. >> and what planning is being done in advance to ensure there will not be dangerous fallout if she does go to taiwan? >> without getting into details, i think you can understand that part of our responsibility is to make sure she can travel safely and securely and i can assure you that she will. >> what about russia abandoning the jewish agency --

>> sir -- let, please let karine call. >> in terms of the speaker's agenda and her motivation for going, which does seem to be different than the president's set of issues as he has said publicly, the military doesn't think it's a good idea, he has not given full support for this trip if it happens. what is your sense about her advocacy for democracy for self-rule in taipei and the impact of that kind of a statement, long held views on the part of the speaker and how it might have an impact. >> the speaker can speak for herself and whatever she wants to say on this trip is really her preroingtive, and the one

china policy and not wanting to see cross state tensions resolved by any than other peaceful means and the fact we don't support taiwan independence. it was important for me to lay that down right at the outset. that's our policy, that's this administration's approach. i can't speak for what speaker pelosi may do or say on this trip. >> one question if i may follow up. because of the closeness of the speaker and the president, it does raise the question about if she sort of pressing a foreign policy that may in fact put the president in a bad position. is that the sense of this white house? >> the president is comfortable with the position that this administration continues to take, which has long standing historic pr -- precedence, the president is very comfortable with our policy with respect to

china and taiwan and he had an opportunity last week to reaffirm those policies and his views in direct discussion with president xi. >> john, you mentioned potential of missile launches by china. are the people of taiwan at risk if speaker pelosi makes this visit and is she at risk if she makes this visit? >> we certainly don't think there is any reason for anybody to be at risk here with a potential visit. again, it has not been announced and i won't speak for speaker pelosi, but no reason for this to come to blows. no reason for this to escalate. and as for the potential risks, i think that is a better question put to the p.r.c., and to the p.l.a. army, navy and the air force. we are going to watch this very, very closely. we are going to make sure she has a safe and secure visit

because that's our responsibility, and we urge, as i said at the outset, we urge china to, if she goes, to see this for exactly what it is, nothing new, no change to our policy and certainly not an unprecedented visit by the speaker of the house. >> u.s. will not be intimidated, you feel that using language like that right now will be viewed by china in a way that you are also raising rhetoric the way they have? >> you said that right at the top that they have, they have been out there in recent days with some irresponsible rhetoric. we feel it's important for everybody in the region to understand how seriously we take our security commitments in the indopacific, and that's why we put it that way. there's no reason, jeff, there's no reason for this to escalate.

and in fact, there's every reason given the, our national security interests, as well as the interest of our allies and partners at stake in the indopacific on any given day, every reason for this to not escalate, and for the lines of communication to remain open between washington and beijing and that's what we would like to see happen. >> the white house currently know whether speaker pelosi is claiming to go to taiwan, i realize she has not announced publicly, and you have said white house officials have been talking to the speaker's staff. does the white house have knowledge whether she is planning to go to taiwan? >> i'm not going to talk about the speaker's itinerary, and jeff, one other thing in my mind and flew out of my mind. when you talk about, or you threaten these kind of potential

operations, military operations and exercises and missile launches that i talked about, i mean, what that does, it does increase the risk of miscalculation as i said, which could be unintended consequences and that's really the risk. you asked specifically, are they at risk. that's where the risk comes in. it's not so much that there might be a direct attack, but it raises the stakes of miscalculation and confusion, which could also lead to unintended consequences. >> i'll take some in the back. >> given everything that you have laid out here, why do you think china is reacting the way it is reacting to the speaker and this trip? >> it's difficult to know specifically, and you are kind of asking me to get inside their brains and i don't know that i'm comfortable doing that. i think again, that's a question better put to president xi and the p.r.c. and their military

leaders. you've heard chairman milley talk about this, even before we were talking about a potential visit by the speaker of increasing aggressiveness by p.l.a. military forces in the region alone, violations tin air and sea space across the strait, more aggressive and proximate military exercises. and of course, in their rhetoric. this has been going on now for months and if you really want, you can go back years in terms of chinese coercion and intimidation tactics, even just in the military environment in the south china and east china sea. so it's been building. i can't account for why they have answered just the

possibility of this visit in the manner in which they have done. i can only account for president biden and for this administration and for how we are trying to manage tensions and quite frankly, manage this, one of the most consequential bilateral relationships in the world, and that is by making it clear what we are seeing, sharing it with you, making it clear that there's no reason for whatever the reason is there's no reason that it should spark some kind of conflict or that it should precipitate increased tensions or serve as some sort of pretext for some sort of what they would consider a reaction. if the speaker goes, completely consistent with what's been done in the past, and certainly not at all a statement about any change to american policy with

respect to one china and to cross strait tensions, and quite frankly, our obligations under the law to support taiwan's self-defense. >> if she does go to taiwan, how will the white house find out about it? will she call someone on the team, see it on television, how will you know? >> look, the speaker is flying aboard a military aircraft, so we'll know. >> in the back and then wrap it up. >> you talk about the separation of the congress and the white house and the executive branch. when she takes a military aircraft, how then do you, which is under the control of the president, how do you make the case that well, we had nothing to do with this at all. >> i didn't say we had nothing to do with this at all. we never said that at all. from the time she informed us that she was going to go overseas we put the gears in motion like we always do, and

that is to provide military transportation, nothing new about that, provide her team with information, context, you have heard me, heard karine talk about that, nothing new about that. it's not that we are not involved, but we don't make the decision for the speaker. she makes her own decisions. we give her advice and counsel and context, she makes her own decisions and the president having long served in the senate himself, he understands and respects the institutional members of congress. >> i have a quick question about the iranian-american [inaudible] interview on cnn this morning, she called on the biden administration to expell iranian diplomats contending the regime is a challenge to the government on u.s. soil [inaudible] last year and then the arrest last week of a man with a loaded

rifle. is that something the white house is even considering or are there other diplomatic levers the president is prepared to pull? >> there's somewhat of a limit to what we can say on that, so let me just lay it out for you. we, the united states condemns the apparent attempt to harm her at her home last week. commend law enforcement swift and apparent response to the threat to her. this is an open criminal investigation so i will refer you to law enforcement for any further comment. while we wait to see the results of that investigation, we want to reaffirm that it is a first priority for the biden administration to counter the threat posed by iran, including against dissidents that are living in the united states and current and former u.s. government officials. ok, thank you, everybody. appreciate it. >> sandra: a remarkable news conference by john kirby there,

and i should point out that nancy pelosi just minutes prior to him walking out there in the white house briefing room put out a statement of her own saying "as we continue our regional travel, we look forward to additional engagement with our indopacific partners," he asked what's the drama over nancy pelosi's visit to taiwan, i have not seen any drama, says john kirby. he accused of the media of manufacturing drama. >> john: he did everything but send xi jinping flowers there to say look, our policy has not changed here, we still have a one china policy, even though it's been modified somewhat in recent months. we don't support taiwan independence, this should in no way change the cross strait relationship and national security. and china shouldn't resort to any escalation of actions.

all but begging xi jinping to stand down here if the thing goes ahead, and seemed to indicate at one point it will go ahead, to please not do anything that would jeopardize the relationship and raise tensions. >> sandra: even more remarkable, not only did nancy pelosi put out a statement, and not mention taiwan and john kirby say it's entirely up to the speaker, saying i want to reaffirm the speaker has not confirmed any travel plans and it's up for the speaker to do, antony blinken just spoke while kirby was giving the briefing from the white house saying china should not engage in escalation and she, nancy pelosi, is expected to make the visit. >> john: different messages coming from different sections of the government. and again, kirby's role out there seemed to be to do everything he could to placate xi jinping this was no big deal. the one correspondent said hang

on, she's flying on a u.s. military aircraft, the president controls that and good chance, depending how long she stays, that aircraft could stay overnight in taiwan which would set another precedent. >> sandra: and you also noticed a lot of questions taken in the room, he did not call on peter doocy, in between reporters who were called on, and potential visit, kirby did warn beijing there is no reason for the chinese to turn a potential visit from pelosi to taiwan into a crisis or conflict. but really not getting anything on where the president stands on whether he supports her travelling to taiwan or not. >> john: we are going to be talking with michael pillsbury, the author of 100 year marathon, but first, greg palkot live in london. what's beijing saying about all this, greg? >> hey, they are not pleased.

china is not pleased as multiple reports indeed point to the fact that nancy pelosi should be visiting taiwan, china not pleased, white house as we have been hearing the last 45 minutes or so, clearly on edge. house speaker was in singapore meeting with the prime minister and other officials, next malaysia, and south korea and japan, but china is upset that pelosi could be stopping at the self-ruled island of taiwan, beijing claimed of its own, stepped up military exercises and live fire drills off the coast and officials said she visits, counter measures calling it a gross interference in china's internal affairs. and the u.s.s. ronald reagan aircraft carrier and strike group cruising not too far from taiwan. white house spokesperson john kirby held a lengthy press conference under scoring pelosi has the right to visit taiwan,

but clearly trying to put some distance between the white house and the visit, he says biden supports the one china policy and twice he said the u.s. does not support an independent taiwan. now back to the reports, while not confirmed, taiwan media is saying speaker pelosi should arrive in taiwan tuesday night local time, meet with officials wednesday, and out wednesday night. >> sandra: no drama there, right, greg. you were listening to the update a moment ago from the white house, do we have the call four sot of john kirby questioning reporters on the drama of this trip, teed it up, listen. an president for pelosi to visit taiwan. >> what's the drama? >> have you watched the last couple weeks? >> i haven't seen any drama. i think you are manufacturing it with your question. >> sandra: remarkable moment,

greg. >> remarkable, sandra. for the last week the biden administration has been tangling with this, last week president biden saying the military was not too pleased, his way of signalling maybe he was not too pleased with this. the same time, kirby saying the military has been laying it out to preserve the security of the trip and protect, of course, the speaker of the house. so, they are a little tangled, one way or another they have to defend pelosi's right to go there, and protect her life and limb, and china reacting so strongly against it. at the same time, they have a policy, that one china policy, that's been adhered to more or less for a very long time, and they have a bigger relationship to worry about. it's a tough time for the white house, for washington, for the biden administration right now. >> sandra: and to be clear, president biden did say publicly

the u.s. military thinks the trip is not a good idea right now. john kirby was taken off guard supposedly by that, by a reporter challenging him on that. we have turned the sound from secretary of state blinken, antony blinken just spoke while kirby was updating from the white house and said this, greg. >> if the speaker does decide to visit and china tries to create some kind of crisis or otherwise escalate tensions, that would be entirely on beijing. we are looking for them in the event she decides to visit to act responsibly and not to engage in any escalation. >> sandra: make the case, some mixed messages coming from them on this. >> yeah, clearly job one, sandra, for the white house, for the biden administration, is to make things keep cool in that region. clearly they have to protect speaker pelosi, they have to maintain some security there and

that's why they have not just the u.s.s. ronald reagan, but other aircraft, there are other vessels in the region ready to step in if there is anything untoward and beijing has been rattling the sabers for the past several days. so, that is job one. job two, though, to maintain the broader picture of trying to come up with some stability between the relationship in the relationship between u.s. and china and look ahead. again, though, i was struck twice. it is a part of the one china policy but to come out and say twice that u.s., the biden administration does not believe in independence for taiwan, pretty strong stuff. >> sandra: it is, and kirby added we will not take the bait or engage in saber rattling. we will not be intimidated. there will be continued developments on this story as the day goes on. greg palkot live in london, thank you. >> john: aishah hasnie live on capitol hill with the reaction up there.

>> hey, john, good afternoon to you. you and sandra are making really the underlining point here which is where did all this drama start, and john kirby as you heard kept saying over and over again, he does not understand the drama. all the drama really did start when it was leaked that pelosi might be going to taiwan and then on top of that, the comments from the president, i was there in that room when she was asked by a reporter what do you think of president biden's comments that the u.s. military doesn't think it's a good idea for you to travel to taiwan and she was visibly taken aback by that, and said to the reporter and the press, i didn't know he said that and that he has not said that to me directly, and that is where we saw the drama really start, back and for the over the security issues and whether she was actually going to take this trip to taiwan. really important point to point out there, also as sandra mentioned, we just got the lengthy statement from pelosi's

office right before john kirby took the podium there, basically talking about her travel to singapore, again, no mention of taiwan at all and still no official word from her office as to whether she is going to go. this as beijing warns that there will be some serious consequences if that trip actually happens. now this morning we got some pictures from pelosi's office, she tweeted these pictures of the visit to singapore where she was greeting u.s. marines, she released her official itinerary and taiwan is missing. we saw that with congressional delegations and when they went to poland when ukraine was invaded. in the days leading up to the possible trip, pelosi has been facing pressure from china and the u.s. military.

a state media commentator warned her plane could be shot down if it was accompani by military jets. kirby insists it's the administration responsibility to make sure she can travel safely if she does decide to go. pelosi has not responded to the threats by others have. >> you can't pull that trip down because the chinese communist party sends out propaganda to threaten her or the united states of america. >> and speaker pelosi was actually supposed to take this indopacific trip in april. she got sick with covid, and that trip was postponed to now. don't remember any of this kind of china aggression back when that was being talked about. john. >> john: well, it's been a long, hot summer. maybe that has something to do with it.

thank you. and bring in the author of "100 year marathon," china's secret strategy to replace america as the global superpower. we were joking you can take secret out of there. and when you were talking about john kirby, the white house sounds scared. >> i think they are concerned, i think they know something about the chinese reaction. kirby mentioned that in 1996 the chinese fired four missiles near taiwan, just to splash down in the ocean for a lot less provocation than this is. i think the speaker is going, sources from taiwan have been telling people they are prepared for where she's going to stay and what she's going to do tuesday night, tomorrow night. so the problem is, the one china policy that greg mention the several times. the one china policy congress has exempted itself from that. it passed the taiwan relations act, which essentially treated the taiwan government as a real government. executive branch, the president,

cabinet secretaries, our military are not supposed to visit taiwan. no president has gone. we limit the rank of the officials who can visit but that's been changing. since president trump started it and biden continued it, we have been a lot more aggressive about official contacts with taiwan. cabinet secretaries go, special forces are there, u.s. military in camouflage, what the chinese are worried about. is the trip a conspiracy that biden is sending nancy pelosi and therefore they have to react, in which case we have to counter react. >> john: what are the things you reacted to when we were watchings the briefing was the question does xi understand that biden's not sending nancy pelosi. you seem to think that chinese don't fully understand that. >> some of their scholars may know there's a separation of powers but the hard mitten guys at the top of the chinese

communist party they see conspiracy from the united states, they think we are trying to surround china, block their surpassing us, they would do the same thing the other shoes. >> and they think biden controls pelosi. >> it's an air force jet. they think if a chinese air force plane took somebody a member of congress nobody would believe that. what's shocking about admiral kirby, he's admitting that nancy pelosi and joe biden have not discussed the trip. probably not going to show her remarks to the white house, so she's a bit of a wildcard, and she has a history of being a hawk on china. got a gold medal for the dalai lama, had him come to the capitol. nancy pelosi in 1991, 30 years ago, unfurled a banner in tieneman square trying to get the chinese to be provoked if not arrest her. she's a long-term human rights hawk on china, joe biden is not that much, so we have a

difference of opinion between these two and they are not consulting each other. >> john: we don't know what she's going to say when she gets there, how hard she's going to go against china. you seem to think that kirby in some way, and it would be a futile effort was still trying to convince her to not go. >> i think so, secretary blinken and admiral kirby are talking if there is a chance the taiwan leaks are not true. i believe they are true, she's going, taiwan would not leak this without it being substantially correct. maybe there's a last chance to tell her to fly over, but you notice the next stop on hir itinerary, she is going to fly over taiwan. that's the airliner route. so the air force plane detour a great deal and stay away from taiwan, adding to our sort of further embarrassment the chinese threats have been successful. the j.c.s. and the pentagon are scared enough about chinese that they would divert speaker

pelosi's plane, that's what i'm worried about. i hope she goes, i think it's a good idea. >> john: do you think it was a good idea to have this news conference? >> no, i don't. i think he is drawing attention to it and saying the press are manufacturing drama, i've never heard of a press secretary rebuking the reporters for covering a story. it is drama. people are going to be in planes and ships on both sides over the next 48 hours, there could be an accident that leads to war. that's the drama. >> john: when commentators for global times say her plane should be shot down, that's not us creating drama, that's china creating drama. michael, good to talk to you. great to get your analysis and perspective on this. so, no drama, nothing to see here. >> sandra: amazing reaction there. the by the way, we are pulling that exchange which really stood out in the briefing room, when

kirby was asked by a cbs reporter why was the speaker being urged not to go to taiwan, as we know the president has done so publicly. >> john: and he said who did that? >> sandra: he said i don't know that she was. who urged her not to go? the reporter responded biden said on august 20th the military does not think it's a good idea for her to go. he responded, she makes her own decisions. so, i don't know. >> john: a lot of repercussions as well, it's a separate branch of government as kirby pointed out, they cannot stop her from going, but for the president to say well, our military leaders don't think it's a good idea for you to go, that, according to a lot of analysts that we have had in in the last few days was a real point of appearing weak on the world stage, and what biden should have done, she's the

speaker of the house, separate branch of government, she can do whatever she wants to do on this topic and we cannot intervene on that. for him to suggest maybe it's not such a good idea to go, a lot of people think president xi would see that as portraying weakness. but then also the idea, too, you have communist party congress coming up that if xi shows up in taiwan, it makes xi look weak as well, and maybe that provokes some sort of escalated response. >> sandra: and obviously a lot of reporting leading up to this moment. the no drama moment, apparently, according to kirby, a lot of reporter from politico and others, inside the white house urging nancy pelosi not to make this trip. so there was the avoidance of that as well. >> john: and what michael was saying, what kirby was saying, trying to convince her not to

go. because she's on an air force plane, the white house knows where she's going and when. no question about that. >> sandra: and the statement does not mention taiwan at all. less than an hour ago it came to us, so no update whether or not this will be an official stop. so we'll continue to wait. >> john: and to me reading the tea leaves for kirby to say as many times as he did, knowing full well that the white house has got the itinerary, she's flying on a military plane, if she goes, i think that's an indication she's planning to go. >> sandra: yeah, a lot of intrigue there, much more ahead on the threats coming from the far east and the question from the white house what's the drama? david will dig into that. and talk about the democrats big spending push and what it means for you and your taxes.

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>> sandra: what's all the drama, ask john kirby, live from the white house a moment ago on nancy pelosi's upcoming and anticipated taiwan trip. antony blinken, the secretary of state just said a few moments ago it is expected that she is still making that trip and stopping in taiwan. but john kirby would not confirm that from the white house, just a few moments ago, saying he wants to reaffirm that the speaker has not confirmed any

travel plans and it is for the speaker to do so. let's bring in fox business's david asmen, you have been following along this with us, hard to believe he's asking what is the drama. a lot of drama leading up to the moment. >> ambassador kirby is so on spot, one centerpiece of this administration that seems to have come out with solid information in the past but took a total 180 during this press conference. how could you say there's no drama when the second in line for the presidency is threatened by one of our chief competitors in the world. granted, it was from a news source but essentially coming from the communist party. we have so much leverage right now with china, sandra. we have financial leverage, remember, they have this horrible economy right now because they have the stupid 0 covid policy, which as we know does not work, they are still doing lockdowns in the country but have as general keane have pointed out, this party conference coming up, xi will be put in place for the third term,

essentially given a lifetime appointment, he wants to play tough. we should be playing tough as well. we have economic leverage. we have a lot of the tariffs from the trump era in place. china needs to get rid of them, we are not using it, i mean, again, just imagine if trump was president right now, all the pressure that he would be counter putting on china for all of their threats towards us. this is a threat against our system of government by threatening the second in line for the presidency and we have economic leverage and it astounds me we are not using it. >> sandra: what is going to happen with the trump era tariffs, we know the biden administration said it plans to repeal the tariffs. what do you see happening? >> they are probably going to repeal a small portion of them that won't really affect much with regard to either china or inflation here at home. so, that's what they are going to do. but again, now is the time to use that influence that we have.

they have a terrible problem right now despite all of their show of force and their propaganda that they are the strongest country in the world or about to become that. bottom line is the economy is suffering terribly from their bad policy with regard to covid. very badly, they have been shutting down key cities in the manufacturing process, that's costing them hundreds of billions of dollars over the past year. and we are not using economic leverage, i don't get it. i mean, i really don't understand. i understand sensitivity of our speaker of the house being over there right now, obviously, and it is a drama for everything that ambassador kirby said that was not true about it not being a drama, it is a drama, it's a big drama. but having said that, it's time for the united states to show some strength. weakness and mismanagement are the hallmarks of this administration and it has to change and now is the time to change it. >> sandra: we teed up some more sound from john kirby live at

the white house a few moments ago. listen. >> everything we have done and everything we have said, including during the president's phone call is that we are being consistent. there's no change. we've not ramped up the rhetoric, we have not changed our behavior. everything is consistent. >> if it has not changed, why was the speaker urged not to go? >> the president said on august 20th the president doesn't think it's a good idea to go. >> speaker makes her own decisions. what we did was provide her context, analysis, facts, information, so she could make the best decision possible for every stop, for every overseas travel. >> sandra: the reporter was right to respond with this, the president did say that on the record, that was just -- >> kirby should have known at least that. there's been a lot of mistakes by kirby in the past hour, and that's one of the key things.

who said it, the president. your boss. that's who said it. >> sandra: what kirby did not say in the briefing room was whether or not joe biden today supports or does not support nancy pelosi landing in taiwan. >> the other thing, he said his whole rhetoric of the fact that we have, we don't want to apply pressure, well you should be applying pressure. this is the moment that pressure should be applied. i'm not talking about going to war with anybody, i'm not talking about any kind of shot over the bow, i'm just talking about using the pressure we have and i think the key pressure we have right now is economic and we are not even doing that. >> sandra: all right. david, appreciate you standing by through the breaking news with us. john. >> john: let's bring in charlie hurt, "washington times" opinion editor and john kirby saying where is the drama, that may go down in pop culture alongside clara peller's "where's the beef." >> it's incredible, and silver

lining, delighted the biden administration seems to be waking up to the fact that china is our number one global enemy or competitor in the world, and that's a very important step. but then to listen to him sit there and try to back pedal after we reached this impasse, this verbal impasse and back pedalling reveals nothing but weakness and cowardice, quite frankly, and david is exactly right, at a moment where the united states has to be showing absolute clarity and using the strength that we have in order to stand up to a regime that wants to destroy or at least displace the united states as leader of the free world. >> sandra: and also, charlie, hi to you, by the way, significance that while kirby was updating from the white house, secretary

of state antony blinken was speaking live saying china should not engage in escalation but nancy pelosi is expected to make this visit. while john kirby in the briefing room would not say as much. >> yeah, and not only that, sandra, but let's not forget, it was the white house that leaked this in the first place. there is obviously a lot of competition going on between pelosi's office and the white house about how to handle all of this. and again, you know, hats off to them for finally realizing that china is our global nemisis, but my goodness, this is -- this is -- this is the keystone cops, they cannot shoot straight, cannot get their stories straight and china just sits back and is sort of chuckling to themselves. >> john: and sound bite number two, let's just go back, this drama thing was just extraordinary to watch. this is the question and answer between correspondent at the white house briefing and john kirby, asking about all the drama surrounding nancy pelosi's

visit. >> president -- >> what's the drama? >> have you watched the briefing the last couple weeks. >> i've been here the last couple of weeks, i haven't seen any drama. i think you are manufacturing it with your question. >> john: i think you are manufacturing the drama with your question. did the chinese foreign ministries is not manufacturing the drama, the guy from the global times is not manufacturing drama with his tweet that maybe we should shoot, or maybe china should shoot pelosi's plane out of the sky, and sandra i think, too, stunned that kirby was trying to blame a correspondent for manufacturing drama when china has been rattling sabers. >> right. no, it is absolutely stunning and i guess to some degree a little may have to do with the fact the white house is used to get far more scripted questions, questions not off-script, you

know, a lot more favorable, easier coverage perhaps and so they were maybe are surprised by it. but again, all you wind up exhibiting, and again, not just to us, not just to viewers of that, but to china itself, is this incredible display of weakness. it's like -- it's like talking trash in a bar and then when the guy stands up to you and looks you, you know, walks up to you you claim you never said anything, it's just, it's a terrible exhibition of absolute weakness and a lack of clarity, and you know, the one thing that you can say about the former president, president trump, you know, he used a lot of language, he used a lot of -- he liked to display strength, but one thing about him, is he was very clear with our opponents, this is what he wanted, this is what was in america's best interest and we are not getting this from the biden administration. >> sandra: charlie, you don't

know anything about talking trash in the bar, i don't know why you came up with that. >> no, no, no, that's why i have very big friends. >> john: charlie, thank you. the white house briefing has wrapped, peter doocy is up in the briefing room and what an extraordinary briefing that was and we were talking with michael pillsbury, a global expert on china, did not know it was such a good idea for kirby to get up there and do that. >> peter: i missed that interview but you heard john kirby saying many, many different times, he suggested they know whether or not she's going to be going to taiwan, because the commander in chief lives here, he controls the military, she's on military aircraft. they just don't want to talk about anything. they are in a full wait and see, they don't want can to provoke china in any way because even though there's been all this tough talk from china the last couple days, they don't think when the chinese are talking about having the right to shoot down her plane or fighter jet,

escorts for her plane that they are planning something but they think this kind of talk raises the risk of an accident happening, and so that's what they are trying so hard to avoid but he was up there for about a half an hour, and didn't really say anything that moved the story forward. they are just -- at least not from here. they are going to wait until speaker pelosi gets to taiwan, which according to the media there and according to many people on the hill that have been tracking this trip and her itinerary think is going to happen some time tomorrow. john. >> sandra: and incredible moment, too, peter, and we should note, you did not get an opportunity to question john kirby but he will join martha on her show, and the president himself and military leaders saying it's not a good idea to go. peter, thank you for wrapping that live from the white house briefing room. appreciate it.

thank you very much. and john, that was quite a couple hours, a lot of breaking news. >> john: quite an afternoon. i agree with michael pillsbury that kirby was obviously trying to placate beijing and also at the same time, maybe last ditch effort trying to convince pelosi to not go. >> sandra: by the way, i'm in for neil, see you back here at 4:00. i'm >> martha: good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. activists and journalists against the iranian mullah regime says there's iranian terrorists in the u.s. this man showed up at her door. she's here in a moment with the breaking story. but first, how did we get here? nancy pelosi defying the chinese president and reportedly headed to taiwan.

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